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Re: WJC 2018 Scandal [message #829537 is a reply to message #829535 ]	Thu, 08 February 2024 13:38

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Steve wrote on Thu, 08 February 2024 11:30

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 February 2024 10:02

Steve wrote on Thu, 08 February 2024 10:31

Hockey Canada could have done a lot more to try and prevent this from happening. They could have told their athletes something like "Upstanding behavior is a requirement to be involved in Hockey Canada in any capacity. Any athletes who engages in criminal or morally reprehensible behaviour will be investigated, and if HC finds offense, we will report you to police and publicly ban you from all future participation with the organization".

That's just an example. Most organizations have some sort of policy like this in place to deter bad behaviour.

Instead they have a history of sweeping things under the rug and protecting their bad players. That sort of thing encourages bad behaviour, instead of deterring it. The players are ultimately accountable of course, but to say HC did everything they could is not accurate.

I disagree that it's all on the parents. Everyone's environment is different and parents are not around 100% of the time. I have seen really good parents with kids who have gone down the wrong path. It doesn't make them bad parents. The other way, there are also kids with a terrible home life who turn into decent people (it's really hard but it happens).

'It takes a village to raise a child' is an old saying for a reason. We all need to do our part. One can argue that the Village is way too big these days to function properly, but that's another discussion.

Hockey Canada certainly did have policies in place long before the 2018 team was playing. The thing is policy doesn't actually do a great job of regulating behavior. I found the 10-11 HC policy manual which is a pretty interesting read. Its focus, in these policies, is very much on Graham James issue that was exploding at the time.

https://www.hockeynl.ca/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/policy_pr ocedures_manual_july_2010_e1.pdf

On an semi-related note, I think I can add Theo Fleury to my list of hockey regrets. My dislike of him exceeded what was warranted for even a Flames player. I took delight in leading Rexall cheers against him when he played for the Rags and watching him mentally struggle. Don't get me wrong, I still wish his name wasn't on the Cup. Only because it's under the Calgary Flames, not because I dislike him as a person.

Good find. Communication of the policy, and proving it through actions, is also key. It needs to be worth more than the paper it is written on.

I feel like we're way out in the weeds here. Team Canada was scrutinized a year ago at the parliamentary hearings, but it's not really them on trial now. If anything, it's probably good for Team Canada that people have been named and they can now move past this. It's certainly good for a future Olympic team, since previously anyone who was on that team was banned from participation. Now, we're at least limiting that ban to those specifically charged I'm assuming.

Employers are shown to have all kinds of obligations at events put on by them. If your company holds a party and someone drives home drunk from it and kills someone, then the organization can be liable in some situations. I think that this isn't far off that. And certainly setting up boys-will-be-boys slush funds is a bad look.

All in all, Team Canada's been chastened badly and won't likely look away again any time soon. Their name has been in the mud and they lost millions in sponsorship dollars.

Now we can move on to the individuals and their own legal issues. I'm sad to say, I am not confident of any convictions. They're all going to be well-represented by very good lawyers, and sexual assaults are very difficult to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. In the absence of convictions, it won't surprise me at all if these players all get NHL jobs again relatively quickly depressing as that is. I mean, if an absolute borderline NHLer in Jake Virtanen gets a try-out, then hard to see Carter Hart not getting a contract if he's available to play.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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