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Re: What If Scenarios - Woodcroft Getting Fired... [message #826647 is a reply to message #826644 ]	Mon, 06 November 2023 12:31

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 06 November 2023 11:15

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nullterm wrote on Sun, 05 November 2023 22:57

Karman Gill
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Ryan Rishaug reporting on TSN that there’s around a 7.5-8/10 chance that Jay Woodcroft is fired. Alot is riding on the Edmonton Oilers 3 game roadtrip #TSN #Oilers @yegsportstalk
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https://twitter.com/Kgill39/status/1721278486600655192

First actions under Jackson could end up being quite a clown show.

They gonna hire the biggest A-hole coach they can find to try to punish the players? Holland probably stumping for Babcock right now.

I don't care if the next coach is an A hole. Get a guy that can win some freaking games. They got rid of McLellan who wasn't a mean guy but probably more demanding than Woody. He apparently was a bad coach according to some, goes to the Kings and just wins. Tippett was a defensive guy who wasn't a mean guy and they punted him after not that long. They bring in nice guy, young, energetic, Ned Flanders he's everyones buddy, stick up for the players Woody and they can't win now. AND the same crap that the players did under McLellan is still here.

So maybe they need someone who is demanding to get these guys to do what they are supposed too and if they don't sit them on the bench.

Maybe it is hasn't been the coaches?

I agree, I don't think it's the coaches but you can't swap out 20 players so whatever can you do?

The top players on the Oilers, the guys who have been here the whole time and make up the leadership core, who wear all the letters, who get all the ice time, they still do stupid crap. They still blow coverages, miss assignments, don't back check, don't tie up their guys, cheat for offense, don't get into shooting lanes, do hope passes, stay out for long shifts, go down the list. You can accept the fact that no one is perfect and everyone will make a mistake from time to time but when it happens over and over again, game after game, that's not just a guy making the odd mistakes, those are players choosing not to do their job. They did it when McLellan was here and you could say "they are just young and learning" when they aren't young anymore.

Even the "younger" players now. Bouchard as an example. How many times does he have to be told not to do all the stupid defensive mistakes he does. McLeod has sucked. How many times does he have to be told you have to go to the freaking net.

I am all for firing who ever. Fire Holland, go for it. He's done at the end of the year anyway but go ahead and fire him right now because how they have started, how they are playing, is unacceptable and something needs to happen. But the only thing I question is how does that impact on ice right now? They need to flat out play better right now. So will firing Holland get Bouchard to finally pick up a freaking man instead of letting him cruise through the slot and fire it in. OR get Leon to stop flinging pucks blindly across ice. Or McLeod to got to the freaking net and stop playing like a wussy or pick which ever player who doesn't backcheck hard every time and get him to do that or the goalies to stop a freaking puck!

There's a strong likelihood the players assembled by Holland simply are who they are. That they're not making mistakes, they're just not good enough. So you fire Holland now because he simply hasn't done his job AND to positively impact the future. The sad reality is there's a time lag between GM decision and results in the cap world NHL. The window for this move might have already closed. That's impossible to know though.

I wouldn't fire the coach for the reason you said. The new coach can't change the players. Sadly, I think the Oilers management believe the team is suffering a problem of effort and determination. I do think they will fire the coach in hopes that the players will magically get better.

Bring on Torts!

I think it would be really positive to fire the GM, because it would show that results actually matter to this hockey team, much more so than the legacy of some fossil who's done next to nothing in the 20 or so weeks he's worked the last five years, collecting $25MM for that minimal effort.

The team's culture over the last 15 years has been defined by their refusal to hold anyone at a management level responsible on any consistent basis. Holland's failure here is pretty staggering. He backed himself in to a corner, then didn't make any moves to patch any holes this summer, thinking that the same roster plus Connor Brown would somehow make this team capable of winning a Stanley Cup. He's also set the bar on Brown's bonus so low that the team can't play the guy (with no points, 13 shots, -5 in nine games) any more without destroying next year's cap. If that's not a firing offence, then what is?

Next coach is a big commitment, since most won't come here on interim tag. If you're talking about hiring a guy to be the coach for the next 3-4 years, is there any sense in letting the current dead-man-walking GM be the guy to make that call? And there's even less sense in just firing Woodcroft so that an assistant can run the bench. That isn't going to likely create a lot of change or improvement - just appeases a few fans which should NOT be the goal of the exercise.

The other thing about a GM change is that we need to make some potentially difficult cap-related moves in order to turn this thing around and allow us to now, late, go get a better goaltender. If Holland has shown us anything it's that he's incapable of cap creativity and out-of-the-box thinking. He's got to go.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Re: What If Scenarios - Woodcroft Getting Fired...	By: Adam on Mon, 06 November 2023 12:31
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