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Re: Draisatl Extension [message #825591 is a reply to message #825589 ]	Thu, 28 September 2023 11:26

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 28 September 2023 11:10

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:57

smyth260 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:48

It’s funny reading a post asserting that Vegas just had the breaks. They were the top team in the conference, and played in 4 out of the last 6 western finals. They never drafted 1st overall, started with a starless expansion draft just 6 years ago, and any stars they do have were acquired with savy resource management as opposed to a lottery. They did it in the cap era where they can’t simply outspend their problems. Their cup is possibly the most luckless cup in NHL history.

Colorado and Tampa Bay are savy organizations. But they had some lottery luck too. Vegas had none of that. If the best luck they had was that their goalies kept getting injured…well…

I think a person is 100% completely delusional if you don't think breaks play a factor in the outcome of games or series.

What about good management?

Vegas signed Lehner to be their guy. He's signed for 2 more years at 5 mill. Lucky for them, he got hurt. You trying to tell me that good management made that happen? Come on.

No, good management is having 4 goalies better than what your conference finals opponent has. Plus a fifth guy I thought looked really good. You're letting the tail wag the dog here.

If Lehner doesn't get hurt, they wouldn't have went out and brought in the extra guys nor could they have afforded them. So you can sit there and say it was "good management" but the injury forced them to bring in way more guys than they normally would have. PLUS, the fact they brought in so many, says they didn't have a clue which one would be the best.

Lehner went down, so they had Thompson who was inexperienced and Brossoit. Then they brought in Hill as cover. Thompson went down. Then they were so confident in Brossoit and Hill, plus the rest of their organizational depth, they bought in Quick as additional cover. So good management my ass.

If you are such a good manager, then you should know the guys you have in the system can do the job so acquiring Quick to sit in the pressbox shouldn't have been necessary. If Brossoit doesn't get hurt, Hill does not play. He was made the starter at the end of the season and into the playoffs and didn't play a game in the playoffs until Brossoit went down. Brossoit was just mediocre in the first series and not great in the Oilers. It was fortunate that Hill played out of his mind for 6 weeks. If that "good management" knew he could do that, he would have started the playoffs. That's a fact man.

Good management absolutely brings in Quick to sit in the pressbox. Good management isn't about knowing the future, that's how we get idiotic statements like checking the boxes. Good management is having options and contingency plans and hedged bets. Vegas does that, the Oilers don't. They adapt well when something negative happens, whether it's bad luck or the inevitable injuries. You're somehow making the leap of logic that needing 6 goalies last year was the management's fault. It's not. Guys get hurt. Player don't hit their expectations. That stuff will happen to every team this year. The question is what does a good manager do about it. The Oilers sit and hope. The Knights will find someone who works for them, usually at a good value. They are a better team than the Oilers for a reason. Pretending it's all luck is why the Oilers have been mired in mediocrity for 25 years.

We are just going to go round and round then on this topic.

Your opinion is that Vegas won based on nothing but "good management". My opinion is they made some good management decisions but even the best managed teams need some breaks which is what they got. So if Vegas and their "good management" because it's the same guys this year, if they don't win the cup again, what will be your excuse?

Boston won 65 games, had 135 pts, 22 better than any other team. Their coach won coach of the year. Their GM was nominated for GM of the year. So that to me says their management did a very good job. They got bounced first round by the 8th seed. So what happened?

As soon as game 1 happened, all of a sudden Boston's management and coaches went from being really good to crappy? If there was injuries, "good management" would have back ups in place to cover that so they just keep going. So explain to me happened.

Could it be.. that maybe even good managed teams need some breaks to go their way? That you need your stars to play well, that you need other guys at the right time to get hot. That you need some fortune with injuries. Lots of things have to go your way that don't involve "good management". And even a really good manage team can flat out lose to a red hot goalie. Is that possible or no?

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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: Dragon_Matt on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:57
Re: Draisatl Extension	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:00
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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: Dragon_Matt on Wed, 27 September 2023 13:38
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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:57
Re: Draisatl Extension	By: CrusaderPi on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:57
Re: Draisatl Extension	By: RDOilerfan on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:03
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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 28 September 2023 10:09
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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 28 September 2023 11:12
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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 03 October 2023 11:08
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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 28 September 2023 11:10
Re: Draisatl Extension	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 28 September 2023 11:26
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Re: Draisatl Extension	By: Dragon_Matt on Thu, 28 September 2023 13:58
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