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 Adam
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We play tonight! No idea who's in the lineup, but I'll be in the building...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Skookum Jim
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..is this on-line anywhere? or is it a OilerTV paid event?
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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NetBOG
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Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 24 September 2023 12:26 |
..is this on-line anywhere? or is it a OilerTV paid event?
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You can try the Jets website, being held hostage behind a paywall by the Oilers.
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inverno76
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Akey is chaos. Lots of raw talent there, but some questionable decision making.
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Adam
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| inverno76 wrote on Sun, 24 September 2023 16:54 |
Akey is chaos. Lots of raw talent there, but some questionable decision making.
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Some good confidence carrying the puck, but some iffy decisions not moving it a couple of times. Hopefully that was a case of trying to do too much himself, and not an indictment of his in-game vision.
Increasingly thinking that Holloway peaks as a third liner, maybe with the ability to move up occasionally. It feels like it's been a long time since we've really seen any magic out of him. He was pedestrian tonight against a pretty weak Jets squad.
I'd forgotten that Caggiula returned. He looked noticeable in the first, less so after. Sutter was forgettable. Shot a lot from distance - but never threatened.
The actual NHL players still are noticeable, even going at half-speed. Oilers were pretty dominant when Nuge, Hyman and Kane were on the ice.
Rodrigue played well. The Jets goalie was even better. 29 year old journeyman with a career .897 save percentage. That's always our Achilles' heel.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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Assume this topic page is for all games?
I'll assume for now..
Here is line up for the Oil vs Jets in Winni tonight.. per Gazzola
Erne-Malone-Lavoie
Holloway-McKegg-Griffith
Stonehouse-Grubbe-Bourgault
Petrov-Berglund-Tullio
Kulak-Ceci
Hoefenmayer-Desharnais
Dineen-Wanner
Pickard
Rodrigue
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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Preseason games are such a waste. That lineup sure is something.
As long as they don't look 10-0 like the "Canucks" did last night
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Skookum Jim
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Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 09:44 |
Preseason games are such a waste. That lineup sure is something.
As long as they don't look 10-0 like the "Canucks" did last night
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I can't see the games anyway so I won't be tempted.. (behind pay walls now)
I'll be curious in how Lavoie, Holloway and Hoefenmeyer do though..
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Adam
Messages: 7177
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 10:44 |
Preseason games are such a waste. That lineup sure is something.
As long as they don't look 10-0 like the "Canucks" did last night
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I wonder what Ceci & Kulak did to pull the short straw.
Given that lineup, well, I don't like our odds tonight.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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I've never understood the joke about Winnipeg being a hard place to travel to. It's a short flight and a 25 minute drive to the arena. This seems like an easy one day road trip where you're back home around one.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Adam
Messages: 7177
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 12:52 |
I've never understood the joke about Winnipeg being a hard place to travel to. It's a short flight and a 25 minute drive to the arena. This seems like an easy one day road trip where you're back home around one.
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The hard part is that you have to be in Winnipeg.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 13:18 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 12:52 |
I've never understood the joke about Winnipeg being a hard place to travel to. It's a short flight and a 25 minute drive to the arena. This seems like an easy one day road trip where you're back home around one.
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The hard part is that you have to be in Winnipeg.
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That part I understand. I can't look too far down my nose because I'm sitting in Edmonton, but I can look down my nose a little
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Adam
Messages: 7177
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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As a fun exercise, imagine you're coaching that...line-up tonight. Who's your PP1???
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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RDOilerfan
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Seeing line ups that the Oilers put out last game or this one, what the Jets put out or will put up, what the Canucks put out against the Flames. I really wish the NHL cut back the preseason and started the regular season a week or 2 early.
Realistically, the majority of the guys who play in these games have next to zero chance of making it. They are the Akey's of the NHL, the drafted guys getting their 1 game. They are career AHLers who have enough NHL games sprinkled in to technically count as a NHL vet. I guarantee that the 2 or 3 100% locks to be in the Oilers game 1 roster don't want to play this game, are not going full speed and are playing to just not get hurt.
I get for the NHL, they want the extra games for money especially in Canadian markets that charge their fans full price and get decent crowds. But you will see American teams playing in random rinks other than theirs and have tiny crowds rather than playing in their own rink and have it cost more to play the game than they make.
[Updated on: Mon, 25 September 2023 15:20]
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 14:59 |
As a fun exercise, imagine you're coaching that...line-up tonight. Who's your PP1???
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Holloway - Lavoie - Bourgault - ummm Griffith - maybe Hoefenmeyer?
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Goose
Messages: 1098
Registered: October 2006
Location: Vancouver
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 14:28 |
Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
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I didn't watch any of the game, so I have no context other than this chart, but you would hope that Holloway would show up a little better in a contest like this.
Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games
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Adam
Messages: 7177
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:28 |
Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
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Trying to understand this - so this means that the vets were decent offensively, but awful defensively? And almost everyone else was a non-factor?
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:03 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:28 |
Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
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Trying to understand this - so this means that the vets were decent offensively, but awful defensively? And almost everyone else was a non-factor?
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The preseason is meaningless
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Adam wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:03 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:28 |
Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
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Trying to understand this - so this means that the vets were decent offensively, but awful defensively? And almost everyone else was a non-factor?
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yeah, most guys were meh in this tiny sample size. I think it's showing the vets were playing something closer to pond hockey. Lots of chances for, and lots against. How the chart is adding in relative defensive impact on the PK might not be fair. Not sure what it would be comparing to.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:13 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:03 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:28 |
Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
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Trying to understand this - so this means that the vets were decent offensively, but awful defensively? And almost everyone else was a non-factor?
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The preseason is meaningless
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Maybe we need a longer pre-season with a pre-season playoffs to help it gain meaning. Playoff champ wins a free lunch.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7804
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:28 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:13 |
| Adam wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 16:03 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:28 |
Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
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Trying to understand this - so this means that the vets were decent offensively, but awful defensively? And almost everyone else was a non-factor?
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The preseason is meaningless
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Maybe we need a longer pre-season with a pre-season playoffs to help it gain meaning. Playoff champ wins a free lunch.
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I do like the idea of professional hockey having secondary championships. I'd love something like a Canadian championship that contested over the year during the season in games involving the Canadian teams.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Bruce McCurdy @BruceMcCurdy
Defensive zone omelette on the 4-0 goal, the F's chasing the puck as if they were doing a synchronized song-&-dance routine. The pivot, Carl Berglund, was especially guilty of wandering out of position, abandoning the goal scorer in the slot along the way.
Preseason at least provides us with lots of time to worry that this team is still terrible at playing defense in their own zone :)
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Just for entertainment purposes
I watched none of the game
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Goose wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 15:53 |
| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 25 September 2023 14:28 |
Trying to implement new defensive zone tactics, combined with vets putting in next to no effort in pre-season.
Doesn't seem to work out that well
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I didn't watch any of the game, so I have no context other than this chart, but you would hope that Holloway would show up a little better in a contest like this.
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Broberg and Holloway are two guys we really need to take a step. Not seeing much so far. Both guys have the risk of being another all speed and natural physical ability but minimal room for growth between the ears type of prospect. Hope it's not the case of course, but we are an org that has favoured raw physical ability over smarts/skill in the past.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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Projected top 6 vs. Canucks ce soir
Kane – McDavid – Brown
RNH – Draisaitl – Hyman
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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NetBOG
Messages: 2951
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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On TV only because it's against the Canuckleheads. Thanks Rogers.
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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I think you'd have a hard time to find any actual contender that have D chasing guys 30-40 ft from their net with zero cover. That was some total horsecrap, and Vegas laughed as they exposed us doing it over and over.
Woody and the gang need to be much better this year. Would like for once to have the coach that actually made the positive adjustments in a series.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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NetBOG
Messages: 2951
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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Creepy Gremlin John Garrett not calling games anymore. Canuck broadcasts might be kinda watchable now.
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tardigrade81
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Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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Nice period overall. Didn’t score, but many chances. Feels great to have hockey back
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tardigrade81
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Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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We score 3 mins into the second period. Book it
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tardigrade81
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I was wrong
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Dragon_Matt
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Location: edmonton
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Bouchard's body position has been noticable in a good way. Some bad luck to not have more goals. At one point we were outshooting Van 11-3.
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tardigrade81
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Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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Way out playing them. Love the effort for a pre season game
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NetBOG
Messages: 2951
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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"Norris Trophy Candidate" Quinn Hughes just watches as McDavid blows by him for the winning goal in OT.
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inverno76
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The PP has the expected preseason rust.
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Kr55
Messages: 10781
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| NetBOG wrote on Wed, 27 September 2023 21:33 |
"Norris Trophy Candidate" Quinn Hughes just watches as McDavid blows by him for the winning goal in OT.
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There should be a 4th forward/PP merchant trophy for guys like Quinn.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
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Man I hate preseason hockey. Nothing but NHL regulars going 75% and watching PTO guys and AHLers crusiing around trying to light up guys to make a name for themselves. Then getting to see fans on social meeting freaking out because as example, the Oilers PP in game 3 of the preseason wasn't lighting up the Canucks. Was McD and Leon going 100% on the PP? I doubt it. Were they over passing? YES. I am sure they were trying to get puck touches. McD's face after scoing the OT winner said it all. He looked like he couldn't get off the ice fast enough because he knew it meant squat.
I wish it was 5 games.
Game 1 is your give the rookie his game game. You fill the team with rookies and AHLers and PTO guys. A barely 18 yr old having a bunch of NHLers on PTO's looking for work or 28 year old AHLers leaning on him is going to be more than enough of "welcome to the pros kid, here is how fast and strong we are" moment. I wouldn't worry about "NHL experience" make it pro hockey experience as the requirement.
Make some cuts.
Game 2-3, you sprinkle in a few vets to get the hands and feet going but again it's mostly AHLers and PTO guys. If a rookie is still looking good, he's in.
Make some cuts.
Game 4, you are playing mostly your roster. The guys fighting for your 12, 13, 14th forward and 7, 8th dman are in.
Game 5, is your full roster.
The Oilers have 5 more games, 2-3 of them are going to be primarily made up of AHLers with NHL regulars sprinkled in playing to try and not get hurt.
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
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But how will the owners maximize every penny out of their loyal servants? Those $14 beer need to be sold.
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