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Re: Yams to be bought out by Detroit [message #824808 is a reply to message #824802 ]	Fri, 30 June 2023 15:15

Adam
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Burgeoboy wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 14:25

The part I don't get about this post and many others you make, is I can only assume, you think other teams don't know how to evaluate players either. Even if we agree that Holland is useless, talks down about his players and lets the world know he doesn't want them, I still don't think that effects the value of the player that much (if he as any) and heres why. There are 31 other GM that have a staffs, all trying to make there teams better. So, even if Holland thinks a player as no value, if the player does, you only need two other teams to see it, in which cause, they well out bid each other and drive the price up. if they don't then guess what, that player doesn't have value, you might think he does, but the fact is he doesn't.

Let say Holland thinks player x is worth no more than 6th, he his on record saying hes to slow etc.. but two teams staff think Holland is out to lunch and this guy as loads of value, you don't think there going out bid each other and drive the price up past a 6th rounder?

I don't care if its hockey player, a car or a house, they are only worth what people are whiling to pay, regardless of what you think they should be worth, and the market not the seller determines that.

Now, if you don't like what the market offers you don't need to sell and but that is a different conversion, but this idea that Holland determines the value of the asset he has crazy, it totally dismiss the ability of the other 31 teams to evaluate talent.

houses sell above list price all the time, just because you don't understand the value of what you have, doesn't mean the market doesn't.

I agree with your opening premise. Lots of GMs aren't good at player evaluation. Lots over-value things like draft pedigree, or size, or toughness, or fighting majors. We saw that this week with Steve Yzerman agreeing to spend a million dollars of his cap on the opportunity to maybe sign Klim Kostin, who was the worst Oilers forward by possession metrics by a country mile in the playoffs last year, and who rode a very high shooting percentage to a decent season.

Chicago just paid an asset to get an early crack at signing 38 year old Corey Perry who's a shell of his old self.

Rob Blake traded a boatload of assets so that he could open the bank vault for Pierre-Luc Dubois, who I like as a player, but who's never had 65 points in a season yet.

There's a lot of teams that don't do great at player evaluation. Even if their evaluation is the same, what is the advantage of confirming what they think? They're going to know you're the closest to the player and have had the most looks, so if you in an interview talk about your challenges around that player, or your intentions for that player, well, it's really good info to know.

Many of these guys may have analytics groups, but like the Oilers are skeptical of them. It's some computer nerd with a spreadsheet, telling them, who used to be in the NHL, what it takes to play in the NHL. So a Bill Guerin, or Rob Blake or Mike Grier might very well be looking to find contrary information on a player.

Will you be able to snooker people? Not always. But blabbing about your own assessments reduces your chances to zero and may actually take them from being willing to offer a 5th rounder down to offering a 7th, or deciding they don't want to offer anything.

As I've said a million times, if I'm running a professional sports team, I'm not saying anything to the media without thinking about whether it is advantageous to me to say it or not. Everything should be done with strategic purpose in mind. If there's no strategic rationale to say something, then I'm making a boring bland answer that doesn't say anything. Holland manages to get part of that - he's boring and bland - but he constantly lays his cards on the table, and it's one reason why he loses so many deals.

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