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Yams & Klim to Det [message #824665]	Thu, 29 June 2023 09:36

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https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/167444029404817817 9

For Futures (and Cap space)

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824667 is a reply to message #824665 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 09:39

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Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:36

https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/167444029404817817 9

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Connor Brown incoming ...

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824668 is a reply to message #824665 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 09:46

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Kostin is a bigger loss than Yamamoto.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824669 is a reply to message #824665 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

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"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824670 is a reply to message #824669 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 09:51

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I am glad the trade got done and it didn't cost the Oilers anything. Stauffer saying he thinks Kostin is going to the KHL.

Yamo is just too small.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824671 is a reply to message #824669 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 09:55

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

You can blame it on the idiot players in 2020 and 2021 that insisted on getting paid every dime of their contracts even though it was 1000% of revenue instead of 50% as the CBA demands. Selfish bastards stole billions from future players.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824672 is a reply to message #824671 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:00

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:55

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

I was actually surprised when I heard I think it was last week from Marek that the players wanted to be paid in full during covid. I thought for some reason they took a little less considering they weren't playing.
You have to think about how many lower end guys over the last 2-3 years either got significantly less in future contracts or are now out of the league just to make sure the top guys get their full salary.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824673 is a reply to message #824671 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:00

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:55

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

As a labour person, I kind of take umbrage with this statement. It's actually pretty interesting how little 'ability to pay' is factored into a lot of (mostly public) union contracts.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824674 is a reply to message #824671 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:02

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Mackenzie Blackwood, who has only played 47 games in the last two seasons while sporting a .893 Sv%, retrieved a 6th round pick for New Jersey.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824675 is a reply to message #824674 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:05

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:02

Mackenzie Blackwood, who has only played 47 games in the last two seasons while sporting a .893 Sv%, retrieved a 6th round pick for New Jersey.

Yamo is a 5'8, 153 lbs forward with head and neck problems making 3.1 mill. Turn the trade around. What would you want the Oilers to give up to get him?

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824676 is a reply to message #824675 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:07

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:05

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:02

Mackenzie Blackwood, who has only played 47 games in the last two seasons while sporting a .893 Sv%, retrieved a 6th round pick for New Jersey.

Yamo is a 5'8, 153 lbs forward with head and neck problems making 3.1 mill. Turn the trade around. What would you want the Oilers to give up to get him?

6th round pick. Maybe Caleb Jones.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824678 is a reply to message #824669 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:15

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

This feels like a win. It did not cost us to get rid of a decent size contract attached to a small, injury prone, underperforming winger.

Am I reading this wrong? Did people expect to gain assets and no salary retention?

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824679 is a reply to message #824665 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:19

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Well dang, Klim just out the door for playing hard ball. Guess his loss. He could have made a fortune here. All he needed was 1-2 months with McDavid or Drai in a 1 year deal.

I guess yay cap space. Need a top 6 winger badly. I don't feel like Holloway is gonna just step in there.

Yzerman zero risk play, think he's pretty happy right now. If he negotiates Klim down to ~1M, it will be annoying.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824680 is a reply to message #824678 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:19

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

Yams should have some value right now. He's not that old and doesn't make that much. He shouldn't be a buy out or pay to ditch player like Kassian.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824681 is a reply to message #824678 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:23

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

I am pretty stunned by a few peoples reaction but I shouldn't be.

Yamo wouldn't be a player that I would be advocating the Oilers to go after for exactly the reasons you said.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824684 is a reply to message #824678 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:30

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

Does it accomplish the main goal of clearing salary? Yes.

But there is a scale to these things. The worst way to accomplish this would be a buyout or trade with retention. The middling way to accomplish this is a trade for future considerations. The best way is to get some sort of asset back, which we are seeing happen in the last week with other deals.

So its another middling move by a lazy 5 million dollar GM who doesn’t go any lengths to find the best solution, but rather the easiest one. If you want to be the best team, your front office has to be the among the best too.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824686 is a reply to message #824684 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 10:42

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:30

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

Yeah, that's a good explanation. It's isn't a bad deal, it's a lazy deal at a bad time. I'd probably feel better about sending Yams out for nothing if I believed Holland was capable of using Cap Space to its full potential. I don't. Feeling lucky that the Oilers didn't wait until he had negative value isn't giving me great hope for the rest of summer.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824689 is a reply to message #824679 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 11:22

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What always surprises me in this site and I need to just get over it as it won't change, is how often there are posters who's response to things is basically NHL GM's are dumb so the Oilers should be able to get something for their trash.

Yamo is a very undersized, not overly fast, doesn't have a very good shot, only has mediocre skill, often injured, extremely streaky player who had a pretty poor season and a brutal playoff. As if that isn't bad enough, he's probably making twice what he should. The only thing he has going for him is his age. If an Oiler fan didn't know who he was, if you looked at his stats at the salary he makes and what he lacks, most fans would probably think he's a waste of time and not worth having on the Oilers. Most fans would definitely not want the GM to trade for him and if they did trade for him, they would freak out if they gave up anything other than futures.

So a team looks at all of what Yamo is, then you look at who he played with pretty much exclusively. He played with either McD, the undisputed best, most gifted offensive player in the world or Leon who is probably top 5 and Yamo produced squat. There is no value there right now. He's worth NOTHING especially considering he makes way too much money. The same Oilers fans who are going off thinking the Oilers should have got an asset for him, would be the same guys losing their minds if the Oilers traded anything at all to get him.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824690 is a reply to message #824689 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 11:31

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:22

RDO, NHL GMs are dumb. They do dumb things all the time. Last season Holland accepted Yamo'sr 3.1 x 2 arbitration. This year he's decide Yams is worthless. That's dumb. It's noticeable.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824691 is a reply to message #824686 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 11:51

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:42

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:30

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

A 6th round pick does not turn my head any different than future considerations. Yamamoto almost has a negative value with his injuries and lack of production this last season, considering his salary and his quality of linemates.

I am with RD on this one. I would not want to be acquiring Yamamoto with that contract and injury history. If we were the team acquiring this 'free' asset I would be pissed. The cap has significant value and Yamamoto was not earning his salary. I was hoping he would mature into that role and be a bargain scoring 50 plus points in the top 6, but alas that was not the case.

Good luck Yams and Klim. One little guy, and one guy with a third leg will be missed and remembered.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824693 is a reply to message #824690 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 11:54

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:31

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:22

RDO, NHL GMs are dumb. They do dumb things all the time. Last season Holland accepted Yamo'sr 3.1 x 2 arbitration. This year he's decide Yams is worthless. That's dumb. It's noticeable.

I did not like the 3.1M contract at the time, but I was hopeful he could earn and outperform it if he was healthy and playing with Connor and Leon. I blame injuries. Small guys can thrive in this league, but they cannot play to Yamo's style if they weigh less than a 15 year old girl.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824694 is a reply to message #824691 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 11:56

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:51

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:42

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:30

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

100% If I saw the Oilers trading for Yamo given his salary, his injury problems, lack of production and size, and it cost them anything at all, I'd be pissed.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824695 is a reply to message #824686 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 11:57

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:42

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:30

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

Exactly.

I don't think Holland is a good negotiator. He doesn't really understand how to make a market for his assets - and he is so clear about his plans that people know he's not going to walk away. They're able to just wait him out, knowing he's going to cave. Holland has these arbitrary deadlines he sets too - and they don't really work well for him. Chicago used the same thing with the Keith deal. The draft was when Holland felt we needed to do this, so he was always going to cave around now.

I don't think Yzerman has done very well as a GM since leaving the great support network in Tampa, but he sure is able to take advantage of the old guy - Detroit's done very well dealing with the Oilers the last few years.

Yamamoto isn't the sniper that Oilers fans may have hoped for when he was getting hyped up by the media post-draft. He's still a useful player, and we started signalling weeks ago that we need to get rid of him.

I do think it's funny to see people suggesting we were going to get a return on Yamamoto shifting now to just saying it's great he's gone for nothing.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824696 is a reply to message #824691 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:01

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:51

While a small get, even a 6th round pick has some potential value. Some 6th round picks do become players.

Futures is a euphemism for nothing. We've evaporated two players "under team control" for nothing. Yes, it opens up $3.1MM in cap space, and there is a benefit to that, but man...we're not exactly optimizing on our assets here.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824697 is a reply to message #824691 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:03

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It should turn your head a little because its an asset we didn’t have before.

We are low on assets to make this team better because at every deal we pay maximum value or don’t receive it. Had to pay two first rounders to get Ekholm (Schaefer and 2023). Had to pay Caleb Jones and 3rd round pick to get a 38 year old 5.5M Duncan Keith who only would waive his NMC for 3 teams. Had to pay Zack Kassian over 3M for 4 years because he scored well for half a season with 97. Had to pay a 1st 2nd and 3rd rounder to get rid of Kassian to Arizona.

This is a microcosm of management’s overall failure in asset management.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824698 is a reply to message #824696 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:04

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Adam wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:01

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:51

Boy, I'll bet you were furious when they didn't get anything back for Kassian when he was "under team control" last year.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824700 is a reply to message #824698 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:10

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:04

Adam wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:01

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:51

Boy, I'll bet you were furious when they didn't get anything back for Kassian when he was "under team control" last year.

Team control is a dig at Holland, who only ever wants to trade for people with tenure because they're under team control.

And Kassian was also pretty lazy as far as deals go, and also necessitated because our GM is bad not just at trades but also at contracts and cap management.

The Oilers gave him too much for way too long and then they had to pay someone to take him away.

At least with Yamamoto they didn't pay the Wings anything but the rights to Kostin.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824705 is a reply to message #824697 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:31

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:03

Ultimately, with any salary dump, whether it's the right move or not depends on how you end up spending the money you saved.

Fortunately, we have Kenny Holland at the helm, who is an expert at cap management and contract negotiations, right?

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824706 is a reply to message #824697 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:38

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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:03

And I agree the Keith deal was garbage. It was at the time, and it is still a bad deal to this day. Kassian deal was bad at the start and how it ended up too. Maybe this is not the best case scenario, but it is an improvement over the past and it should be recognized as such, otherwise what is the point? Acknowledge improvements and see if they continue to get better. So far it has been trending up, and there is a change up top coming.

In addition, considering teams have drafted players as token picks in the past the 6th and 7th round picks are nothing but a lottomax ticket, a lot better than the 1 in 33M, but you catch my drift.

I would rather those prospects spots be filled with college free agents than picks, and lots of times a player ranked that low could go undrafted and be picked up as a free agent anyways.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824708 is a reply to message #824706 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:42

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:38

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:03

I think it's worth noting, the 6th or 7th round pick is the same lotto shot for the Red Wings, so getting them to include it in the deal so that you have SOMETHING to show for it shouldn't be the hardest of conversations.

Drafting someone doesn't take up a contract spot - it just gives you the rights to him, and sometimes those guys develop. I agree, the team should be looking at multiple avenues for prospect acquisition, but we have very, very few draft picks this year, so having one more would certainly not have hurt. Hell, even push it out a couple years, but getting ANYTHING back is preferable to getting zero for a guy who scores at about a 35-40-point pace over the last three seasons plus an RFA who was a useful 4th liner last year.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824709 is a reply to message #824665 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:44

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Understand Yamo going for nothing.. little value at 3.1M

But adding Kostin? .. for no return?

Kostin was the "cost" for taking Yamo and not having the $0.5M cap retention for one year after a buyout?

Only way this trade works fairly out for Oilers s if he goes to the KHL.

If he signs with Detroit, then a loss for Holland

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824710 is a reply to message #824695 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:44

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Adam wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:57

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:42

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:30

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:50

"Did you want me to get him for free" - Ken Holland 2 years before giving away Yamamoto for free.

I do not recall ever saying we would get a return for Yamamoto if that is what you inferring. I really thought he would cost an asset, or a bad contract in return when moved. If i said something else I blame the edibles before bedtime.

The kid still is a useful player, but not at 3.1M. I would much rather have Puljujarvi at that same price. Yamamoto can play the PK, and is a teammate favourite. You can find better players for that role at the same price point.

Also everyone knew that Yamamoto was the moveable piece. His contract, his play and his injury history told the tale. Media were going to run with the story regardless.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824711 is a reply to message #824709 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 12:47

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:44

If Kostin signs with the Wings for 1.75M? This could be a favour to the player, which I am okay with. If he signs for 1M, then I agree it is a Holland loss, but as it stands right now we were going to let him walk on Saturday anyways.

Good luck Klim. Hope you are not living in Siberia come the fall.

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:47

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:44

The upside of all this is that it means we can't be the ones making the major gaffe on giving Kostin too much for too long!

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824717 is a reply to message #824695 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 13:30

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I don't get how, not the out come you expected/wanted = Lazy.

to me the lazy way would have been buying him out 15 mins after the window open. It seems to me Holland spent the whole buy out window trying to trade him for an asset but when he couldn't he took the best option he had available.

I am not sure how one "makes a market" for Yamamoto, I am no GM, and certainly not as wise as many here, so maybe I am missing something, but there nothing you could due to convince me you pay anything for these guys, unless Kostin signs a cheap deal, If I am an NHL GM I am not taking this deal. The Islanders just had to give up a 2nd to move Joshua Bailey, yes he older and makes more, but production is similar.

So, out side of the hockey master minds here at Oil fans, that could have gotten a return for Yamamoto, (I assume all it would have taken is some creativity!!!). I think this is a decent move. He didn't buy out Yamamoto and create dead cap space (I know how much everyone here hates that) and he also didn't do the second cardinal sin of over paying 4th liners by $500,000 and or even worse give him a second year!!!.

If Kostin asked for 1 mill and we traded him rather than sign him, then that changes my outlook on this deal, but if he wanted over 1.5 + for 2 to 3 year and if he doesn't get it hes Russia bound, then I would say Holland made the right call and while he didn't get a return (not sure how he could, but again I lack creativity) . This is much better than the other options.

I am no Holland supporter and I don't normally post here, but when I saw this deal, I though yeah that make sense, no way anyone could take issue with this, hell Holland might have even be creative here, you won't take my over paid, under sized, under producing winger (who plays with the best centers in the world)for nothing? how about I give you a 4th liner that going leave for Russia if you don't over pay him? I honestly though this was the one deal that fit all of Oil Fans requirements, but I stand corrected.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824718 is a reply to message #824676 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 13:33

Dragon_Matt
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Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton

No Cups

and a pick to Calgary.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824719 is a reply to message #824700 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 13:37

Dragon_Matt
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Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton

No Cups

because the Wings still feel bad about giving us Athanasiou and Mike Green.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824720 is a reply to message #824711 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 13:55

Skookum Jim
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4 Cups

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:47

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:44

At whatever Kostin eventually makes, Detroit has the cap space to sign him, which equals an NHL roster player.. either 2nd, 3rd, 4th liner on Detroit, that's value.. and we give him to Detroit to take 500k in cap space.. ? .. seems pretty expensive.

BTW.. there was mention of "future considerations" to Oilers.. is that anything real?

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824721 is a reply to message #824710 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 14:02

Skookum Jim
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4 Cups

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:44

..The kid still is a useful player, but not at 3.1M. I would much rather have Puljujarvi at that same price...

I don't think you'd want Puljujarvi today.. announced he's going in for another double hip surgery.. Carolina doesn't give him a QO.. he's UFA.

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Re: Yams & Klim to Det [message #824722 is a reply to message #824720 ]	Thu, 29 June 2023 14:05

Burgeoboy
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Registered: July 2006
Location: Burgeo, Newfoundland

No Cups

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 17:25

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 11:47

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:44

If Det wants to over pay a 4th liner, surly they could do that in free agency and not have to give up an asset to do it.

[Updated on: Thu, 29 June 2023 14:07]

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