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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken [message #824202 is a reply to message #824198 ]	Thu, 08 June 2023 13:41

Adam
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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:32

Adam wrote on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04

Here is my question for you.

If you knew for certain that if we don't make the Finals next year, that we are going to lose Draisaitl, would you be comfortable hoping betting the season on one of Campbell or Skinner bouncing back and being great playoff goalies next year?

I have conceded the debate to you. You've won by wearing me down. I see no point in giving my opinion on it because it will go no where other than in circles. Besides, your question to me is asking me to predict the future on what Drai will want to do. For all I know the Oilers could win the cup for the next 2 years in a row and Drai might still leave or maybe he loves being an Oiler so much he wants to retire as one no matter what they do. I have no clue what the guy wants to do in the future, I can't read his mind. So I can't/won't answer your leading question because unless I give the answer you want, it won't go anywhere.

If you don't want to respond, don't respond. Otherwise you'll keep getting responses.

The question is not about predicting the future. It's a hypothetical question stamped 'for discussion purposes only'. The answer to the hypothetical as posed "God no" and since the hypothetical question does have a chance at being true, it is sensible to discuss mitigation strategies that go beyond repeating the inane '12 bad games mantra'.

Yeah, if I'm GM, I think I have to look at these scenarios and I have to be thinking about them at least a couple years out. I then have to run them through a probability matrix - one that probably changes over time. Whether that's getting someone to actually build a model that has the numbers on the screen, or whether that's just in my head and a continuing discussion with my team is up for debate, but it's important to be considering these things. You'd have more data points than we have here too...you'd have all the conversations with the player and the agent. You'd have an understanding (hopefully) on how previous negotiations with the player have gone. You'll hopefully have had robust, open conversations at exit interviews after each season. You'll know better how he fits in the overall locker room and the community at large.

There's a few different scenarios it's probably worth considering:

1) Draisaitl is gone no matter what. We won't be able to pay him what he's worth and he's going to want to try a different market. In that case, I'm either looking to sell now and get the absolute top value for him, or I'm saying screw it - this is our window and we better push hard to win in the short time left. If that's the case, I can't rely on hope that this goalie tandem getting their acts together next year.

2) Draisaitl is gone if we're not a winner (or at minimum a finalist). From where I sit now, I think this is the most likely scenario. Another early exit and he's not re-signing, so swing for the fences next year because you can't afford to lose. Again - if this is the case, then I'm not just hoping Skinner doesn't get playoff jitters in the most important playoffs we'll face.

3) Draisaitl is likely to sign a short-term deal to match McDavid's exit opportunity - This would buy us an extra year, so I'd be SLIGHTLY more willing to roll the dice, but even so, the window is really tight now, and a win is a major relief. It increases the opportunity of both looking to re-sign in Edmonton and even if they didn't, a Cup win at least eases that massive double blow for the fan base. I am still having all the conversations this summer and examining what else is available.

4) Draisaitl loves it in Edmonton so much that he's already talking about his willingness to sign long-term. Ultimately he wants to go post-to-post as an Oiler, so we have nothing to worry about. I think this is the least likely of these scenarios, and even if it is, I wouldn't want further team mismanagement to impact his warm feelings towards the team and the city, so I'm still trying to put the team in the best position to succeed. Given that it's not JUST Draisaitl and McDavid is only one year behind on this, even in this scenario, I'm having a lot of discussions with other teams, player agents and free agents through the next few months before I'm just committing to sticking with the status quo.

As for the comments that goalies are hard to find, I'd suggest that that's probably less true than ever. With teams playing goalies more evenly during the regular season, you have better visibility on what back-ups can carry the mail now. Most of those guys want to be starters at some point, and aren't going to be happy being a 35-game regular season goalie who just watches most of the post-season. There will be more situations like led to our Talbot acquisition or like the Georgiev trade last year because guys will want to go where they have a better opportunity to be the starter instead. Kiprusoff was this kind of deal for Calgary too. We see these kinds of trades every year, and usually it's a draft pick or two that is the cost to get one of these guys. I think Talbot was a couple second round picks if I recall correctly. Quite often you can still get them while they're heading in to the last year of their deal or while their amount of games doesn't yet justify a huge pay raise. Likewise, we're going to see the opposite scenario play out too, where the back-up is gaining favour so a team looks to save some money by shipping out the more expensive guy and putting the younger player in his spot.

Finding these guys takes creativity and an ability to make a good trade. It also means you need to be able to rely on your scouts that they're identifying the right guy - I'm not clear the Oilers can count on their team on that front, sadly. But there are players out there for the getting.

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2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 05 June 2023 16:22
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:13
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 10:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: smyth260 on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 09:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 11:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:09
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:28
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:39
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 14:02
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:06
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Tue, 06 June 2023 12:29
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 17:30
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 06 June 2023 13:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 06 June 2023 16:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:12
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:25
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Mon, 12 June 2023 15:55
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 06 June 2023 19:13
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Tue, 06 June 2023 19:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 06 June 2023 21:50
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: NetBOG on Tue, 06 June 2023 23:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 06 June 2023 23:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Mike on Wed, 07 June 2023 07:11
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:18
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 13:21
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 13:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 14:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 15:16
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 15:58
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:05
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:26
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 16:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:32
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 08 June 2023 08:53
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 08 June 2023 13:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:21
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 08:56
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:34
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:59
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 11:37
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:44
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Wed, 07 June 2023 09:54
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 07 June 2023 10:50
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 14:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 08 June 2023 16:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 08 June 2023 16:34
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Mon, 12 June 2023 15:59
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 13:57
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 14:41
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:08
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Tue, 13 June 2023 15:20
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 14 June 2023 12:37
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 13:01
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 14:31
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:04
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 14 June 2023 15:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 14 June 2023 17:14
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: inverno76 on Wed, 14 June 2023 17:35
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Thu, 15 June 2023 08:24
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Goose on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:23
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:29
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: CrusaderPi on Thu, 15 June 2023 13:48
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Thu, 15 June 2023 16:17
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 14:18
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Fri, 16 June 2023 14:56
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 16 June 2023 15:44
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:05
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Fri, 16 June 2023 16:03
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Mon, 19 June 2023 09:23
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Dragon_Matt on Tue, 20 June 2023 15:07
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 20 June 2023 16:14
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Skookum Jim on Tue, 20 June 2023 16:07
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 21 June 2023 14:54
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Wed, 21 June 2023 16:50
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 27 June 2023 21:16
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Tue, 27 June 2023 17:38
Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 June 2023 08:49
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Steve on Wed, 28 June 2023 13:53
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 June 2023 20:01
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Re: 2023 - The Summer of Ken	By: Adam on Thu, 29 June 2023 08:20
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