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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823308 is a reply to message #823307 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 11:47

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Adam wrote on Fri, 12 May 2023 11:36

Perkele wrote on Fri, 12 May 2023 10:47

https://legendsofsport.net/legends/wayne-gretzky/

From the article I linked:

“I stayed healthy because I could hardly play a crash-and-bang style with my skinny little body,” said Gretzky, who was listed at 6 feet and 185 pounds when he first turned pro. “The guys who play a physical game grind themselves down because the body can only repair itself so often.”

And honestly, he probably wasn't 170 when he started either. There wasn't a lot of need for them to be transparent back then about any of these things. In the 1980s, Yamamoto would have listed himself as 180. All it mattered for was hockey cards, so no one cared if you cheated at the measurements a little.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823170 is a reply to message #823168 ]	Thu, 11 May 2023 10:09

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Adam wrote on Thu, 11 May 2023 09:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 11 May 2023 08:38

I worded it poorly. I don't sit down and watch a Devils game as intently as I do an Oilers game. When I watch an Oilers game, that's my focus for the 2.5-3 hours. Am I sitting down watching every single minute of the Canes- Devils game? No I am not.

When I watch the Devils games, I see a team loaded with speedy, skilled, smaller forwards unable to get to the net where goals are scored as often as they were able too in the regular season. They aren't getting goalied, they aren't missing tons of their top 9. They are being kept to the perimeter. Maybe in the parts of the game that I don't watch because I am doing something for short spurts, that isn't the case. But when I watch them play, their small guys can't get anything done.

Believe whatever the hell you want. I see what I see and I really don't give a crap about your opinion.

I'm glad to hear that my arguments, no matter how persuasive, don't have any negative impact on you. Nor should they! It's just hockey!

However, I just hate letting these tropes sit. It's the same stupid argument all the Oilers pundits say about anyone shorter than 6'2 - no matter how many times we've seen good smaller players thrive in the league too. The fact is, if size just eliminated skill then every team would have three Vinnie Desharnais's each. Skill is just more important and tenacity isn't correlated to size.

The Hurricanes are slightly bigger at forward and slightly smaller on defence. The overall team size difference is negligible. The Hurricanes ARE a really good team, so it's not shocking that they're winning against the Devils and that the Devils can't have their way with them every game. And having proclaimed the Devils dead in Round One based on their size only to have them come back and win, you would think should impact some of those assumptions in Round Two...You'd think that people MIGHT start considering if there's other factors at play...like goaltending for instance. Their rookie goalie went from unbeatable to allowing 5+ goals a game...that seems notable. He's big though, so it's baffling...

I am always curious though - how many big players does a team need in order to be considered big enough by a Bob Stauffer or Jason Gregor or RDOilersfan? If they add one more top-9 guy who's 6'6 and 230 is that enough? Three more 6'2 guys? Is it one too many guys at 175 lbs? Or is a team with Hischier and Hughes just never going to be good enough because the two of them are too small for the pundits?

In my opinion, I think every line needs at least 1 guy hovering around the 200lbs range that has some for lack of a better word "grit" in his game. When I say grit, I am not talking about Lucic, I am talking about guys who of course have some skill but who go hard into the corners, battle hard for the pucks and go hard to the net. As the game gets more skilled, I 100% understand there is more room in the game for smaller guys but watch every single game and you will see there is still a TON of play in the corners, lots behind the net and lots of action right in front of the goal in that 10ft range. Like him or not, on the panel Eakins mentioned I think he was given stats that said something like 70-80% of the game is played along the wall. I believe it. There is guys battling for pucks all the time right along the wall.

Can lighter guys win puck battles along the wall and go to the net? Absolutely they can and they d. But when the puck goes into the corner and it's a 50-50 battle, 1 guy is 175 and the other is 200. It's going to be way harder for the lighter guy to win over the heavier guy. When there is a rebound kicked into the slot and there is a 175 forward vs a 200 dman, it's going to be very hard for the 175 to win that battle. Can they do it? Sure they can. They can do it by quickness and skill and it works sometimes. But it's easier for the 200lns guy to win. They have to do less. In the playoffs when the refs let them play more, in my opinion, it favors the heavier guys more times than not because they are allowed to give more shots and lean on guys more without getting called.

I have watched many, many, many hockey games in my life both regular season and playoffs and every single year I see lighter guys who have lots of success in the regular season, then in the playoffs, it's far less. So if it's not size related then I can't figure out whatelse it could be because I don't think it because these smaller guys just stop trying or become bad players for the playoffs.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823041 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Wed, 10 May 2023 17:39

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Damn, Florida changed their camera angle to a much higher spot. I always liked the low camera closer to the ice, I think they are the only team to do that. This almost looks like a SENS game from the current angle.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823046 is a reply to message #823041 ]	Wed, 10 May 2023 19:48

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 10 May 2023 17:39

Damn, Florida changed their camera angle to a much higher spot. I always liked the low camera closer to the ice, I think they are the only team to do that. This almost looks like a SENS game from the current angle.

San Jose is the worst actually. Waaaay up there.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823288 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 08:37

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Poor Haula

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823294 is a reply to message #823288 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 09:20

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That is absolutely amazing. My life is better for that fun fact.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823299 is a reply to message #823288 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 10:33

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I think there must be an error in the stat or in the picture, how could he have been eliminated by the Hurricanes when he was on the Predators? I know he lost to them this year with the Devils and Last year with the Bruins, but two years ago the Hurricanes couldn't have knocked out the Predators.

Actually, that would have been the season with the Canadian division which would have made that possible. Please ignore my previous complaint

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823301 is a reply to message #823299 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 10:41

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Perkele wrote on Fri, 12 May 2023 10:33

I think there must be an error in the stat or in the picture, how could he have been eliminated by the Hurricanes when he was on the Predators? I know he lost to them this year with the Devils and Last year with the Bruins, but two years ago the Hurricanes couldn't have knocked out the Predators.

Actually, that would have been the season with the Canadian division which would have made that possible. Please ignore my previous complaint

I took the exact same trip. New Jersey lost to Carolina. Yup, no one ever watches the Devils, but I saw a tweet last night. Boston lost to Carolina? Yeah, I think I remember that. Nashville... now wait a minute bucko, you're trying to trick me.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823302 is a reply to message #823299 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 10:42

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Perkele wrote on Fri, 12 May 2023 10:33

I think there must be an error in the stat or in the picture, how could he have been eliminated by the Hurricanes when he was on the Predators? I know he lost to them this year with the Devils and Last year with the Bruins, but two years ago the Hurricanes couldn't have knocked out the Predators.

Actually, that would have been the season with the Canadian division which would have made that possible. Please ignore my previous complaint

You figured it out:

https://www.nhl.com/stanley-cup-playoffs/2021

It makes this even more incredible an accomplishment for Haula. No matter where he plays, Carolina still finds a way to knock him out.

Also, it's a little odd how often Haula's moved. He played his first four seasons for Minnesota, got picked by Golden Knights in the expansion draft, played two years there - one really productive capacity and one injury shortened - then got dealt to the Hurricanes. Since then he's been a constant journeyman. Florida, Nashville, Boston, New Jersey. Where will next year be???

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823313 is a reply to message #823302 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 13:07

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Adam wrote on Fri, 12 May 2023 10:42

Perkele wrote on Fri, 12 May 2023 10:33

I think there must be an error in the stat or in the picture, how could he have been eliminated by the Hurricanes when he was on the Predators? I know he lost to them this year with the Devils and Last year with the Bruins, but two years ago the Hurricanes couldn't have knocked out the Predators.

Actually, that would have been the season with the Canadian division which would have made that possible. Please ignore my previous complaint

You figured it out:

https://www.nhl.com/stanley-cup-playoffs/2021

It makes this even more incredible an accomplishment for Haula. No matter where he plays, Carolina still finds a way to knock him out.

Also, it's a little odd how often Haula's moved. He played his first four seasons for Minnesota, got picked by Golden Knights in the expansion draft, played two years there - one really productive capacity and one injury shortened - then got dealt to the Hurricanes. Since then he's been a constant journeyman. Florida, Nashville, Boston, New Jersey. Where will next year be???

We should sign him. Guaranteed trip to the finals

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823328 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 16:26

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I just love this hit. Especially the last angle. He just stands there. “Look what I just did! Come get me.”

Man that a punishing hit.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823346 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 20:42

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Leafs still won their cup. Beat an injury decimated dead tired from 3 long playoff run Tampa team.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823352 is a reply to message #823346 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 20:52

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 12 May 2023 20:42

Leafs still won their cup. Beat an injury decimated dead tired from 3 long playoff run Tampa team.

Their forum has seemingly crashed after the Panthers' OT winner.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823357 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Fri, 12 May 2023 21:08

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Instant classic

https://twitter.com/OldTakesExposed/status/16572140402407956 48?t=6e1vzVQHCCqjWyJrtfwq6w&s=19

Also

https://forums.hfboards.com/attachments/1683946407460-png.707638/

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823447 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Sat, 13 May 2023 22:33

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Eberle 3 points in an elimination game to help Seattle get to game 7.

Man, need some of that right now from a winger.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823448 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Sat, 13 May 2023 22:54

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Wow, Gudas is an ass

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823455 is a reply to message #823448 ]	Sun, 14 May 2023 08:53

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 13 May 2023 22:54

Wow, Gudas is an ass

Total ass. Smart people don’t pull that crap. Just meatheads. And I’m not sure anyone here loathes the Leafs more than I. Can you imagine how much Leaf fans hate him now?

It really makes me want to see him get his. Hopefully it will be Kane screaming into his face after a pivotal goal.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823461 is a reply to message #823455 ]	Sun, 14 May 2023 11:51

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g2k wrote on Sun, 14 May 2023 07:53

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 13 May 2023 22:54

Wow, Gudas is an ass

Total ass. Smart people don’t pull that crap. Just meatheads... It really makes me want to see him get his. Hopefully it will be Kane screaming into his face after a pivotal goal.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823595 is a reply to message #823461 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 08:55

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NHL have 3 out of 4 dream match ups for the finals.

Carolina - low interest among the market team
Florida - low interest among the market team
Vegas - newer market.

Either one of Dallas or new franchise Seattle will suit the NHL fine.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823596 is a reply to message #822209 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 09:05

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Regardless of whether Dallas or Seattle wins tonight, I cannot remember a final 4 that I care less about. This may be the first year ever that I do not watch the last two rounds of the playoffs at all.

I also have to admit that I more embarrassed by the NHL now than I have been at any point previously - even more than the 2017 Anaheim-Oilers reffing debacle. The NHL is the only professional league that seems intent on NOT highlighting and protecting its greatest athletes. It may be partly my physical distance from true hockey markets, but I find it strange that at the time where my beloved "home team" has two of the top 5 players in the world (and arguably THE top two), my interest in and passion for the game continues to decline due to appalling league administration and officiating.

Also - despite the abysmal reffing throughout our two series ... there really is no shame in the Oilers losing to Vegas. That's an excellent team - especially after they added their over-cap captain Stone to the roster (just in time for the playoffs - another embarrassment to the league, in my opinion). The Knights clearly understand league (mis-)management and rules, and played to them perfectly - they tried to get away with things they knew they could get away with, and they were not disappointed.

Now I tune out until September ... truly surprised by my lack of interest moving forward.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823597 is a reply to message #823596 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 09:21

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The Oilers not being there notwithstanding, I think this will be a pretty good final 4. Carolina has been a fun team to watch for years. They're smart defensively with dynamic scorers. Florida is great comeback story. They were left for dead when they lost to Tampa last year, traded Huberdeau, and then started the season looking terrible. Say what you will about Tkachuk, and it's probably all true, he's an interesting watch.

Out west, we know Vegas is a good team that's hard to play against. They're a good hate watch. Depending what happens tonight we'll get a very good Dallas team that's got the best tender in the league but is somehow scoring a ton of goals OR a Seattle team that is pure chaos. Either way the WCF should be entertaining.

The real big problem I have with the final four is the NHL starting the season so late. It's really hard to care about hockey after the May long weekend. Start the damn season in September when we want hockey.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823599 is a reply to message #823596 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 09:41

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AndersonRules wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 11:05

Regardless of whether Dallas or Seattle wins tonight, I cannot remember a final 4 that I care less about. This may be the first year ever that I do not watch the last two rounds of the playoffs at all.

I also have to admit that I more embarrassed by the NHL now than I have been at any point previously - even more than the 2017 Anaheim-Oilers reffing debacle. The NHL is the only professional league that seems intent on NOT highlighting and protecting its greatest athletes. It may be partly my physical distance from true hockey markets, but I find it strange that at the time where my beloved "home team" has two of the top 5 players in the world (and arguably THE top two), my interest in and passion for the game continues to decline due to appalling league administration and officiating.

Also - despite the abysmal reffing throughout our two series ... there really is no shame in the Oilers losing to Vegas. That's an excellent team - especially after they added their over-cap captain Stone to the roster (just in time for the playoffs - another embarrassment to the league, in my opinion). The Knights clearly understand league (mis-)management and rules, and played to them perfectly - they tried to get away with things they knew they could get away with, and they were not disappointed.

Now I tune out until September ... truly surprised by my lack of interest moving forward.

I feel pretty much the same way. As much as I would hate the idea of Seattle winning in their 2nd season, I like Larsson and Eberle so I can cheer for those players to win. After that maybe Dallas by default since I dislike them the least amount of the other remaining teams. I really wish I could like the Hurricanes, but as long as Brind'Amour is the coach then I still can't get past 2006. Once he is gone I think that will complete the turnover. Florida I wouldn't mind except for Matthew Tkachuk, and Vegas I can't stand for obvious reasons.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823604 is a reply to message #823599 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 12:34

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Will you be watching the rest of the playoffs?[ 16 vote(s) ]

1. Yes, I will watch most/all of the games 0 / 0%
2. I'll watch the odd game if it's on 4 / 25%
3. Nope. Our boys are out so I no longer care 12 / 75%

So, who is still going to be bothered watching the remainder of the playoffs now that our boys are out? I know I'm not. I couldn't care less about any of the remaining teams.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823607 is a reply to message #823604 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 12:49

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The first round I watched more games in other series. This round I of course watched the Oilers intently. Other series I had on at times, the Leafs probably the most of non Oiler series. I have zero interest going forward. If I am watching another teams series, I am watching because I think they are interesting as a team or they have some star power that I like or respect. None of the teams are interesting. Florida is the only team that in my opinion has a little star power in Tkachuk but I think he is a POS so I can't be bothered.

My guess is that these next round of series and the final will have some of their lower viewer rates in a long time.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823608 is a reply to message #823604 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 12:50

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 14:34

So, who is still going to be bothered watching the remainder of the playoffs now that our boys are out? I know I'm not. I couldn't care less about any of the remaining teams.

My kids still ask to watch hockey almost every night, so as long as I can turn on a game I will always oblige. I am unlikely to watch an entire game again though.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823614 is a reply to message #823608 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 13:49

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Typical NHL hasn't scheduled Game 1 of the ECF for tomorrow night yet or game 1 of the WCF for Wednesday like they should. So there'll probably be a couple darks nights on the NHL schedule making it easier to forget about hockey in the nice summer months. The NHL is dumb.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823615 is a reply to message #823614 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 13:57

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One change I would like to see the NHL do but they won't, divide the ice into zones for the refs. Nothing drives me nuts more than when a ref from center calls a penalty in the far end while there is a ref literally watching the 2 guys in front of him. Game 5 for the Oilers. Broberg gets a holding call on Eichel. The ref at center who can only see the players backs calls the penalty. The ref standing right in front of them doesn't call anything because there was no penalty.

If they broke the ice into sections, then you would have the ref who's watching the play in front of them and can see what the players are doing calling penalties. Not the guy in the back calling penalties from an obstructed view. The game is getting faster and faster every year yet the reffing system hasn't changed. You have guys like McDavid skating at 35-40 KM/hr so to expect the refs to do a good enough job when the players are so grossly faster than them isn't realistic. Every year people complain about the reffing and it keeps getting worse and worse.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823618 is a reply to message #823615 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 14:29

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I prefer the idea of an off ice official. No different than a referee on the ice, but they get to watch replays while the game is going on. Someone gives a slewfoot behind the play, they can rewind and watch it, turn a light on (off ice official's version of putting their arm in the air) and when the offending team touches the puck, play's dead. Eliminates all the 'missed' non-calls and sneaky BS we all hate so much.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823622 is a reply to message #823618 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 15:06

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 14:29

I prefer the idea of an off ice official. No different than a referee on the ice, but they get to watch replays while the game is going on. Someone gives a slewfoot behind the play, they can rewind and watch it, turn a light on (off ice official's version of putting their arm in the air) and when the offending team touches the puck, play's dead. Eliminates all the 'missed' non-calls and sneaky BS we all hate so much.

I'd be down for that. I just don't want them having to wait for the off ice official to review after every stoppage. If the off ice guy can be watching the play and then if he sees something, he turns on a light while the play is going on to say there is a delayed penalty, that could work.

But that doesn't fix the other issue in my opinion. Too many times, the ref who has the worst angle is calling penalties from a distance. Like my example. The ref at the other end of the ice calls Broberg for a hold when he can't possibly see what the 2 players are doing from his angle. All he sees is 2 guys backs pressed together battling. He doesn't see Brobergs hands or see that Eichel was the one holding. The ref literally staring right at them saw all that and wasn't calling anything. So there should be a way to overrule penalties or like I said, break the ice into zones. So one ref gets one side, the other the other side. Once you pass center, the backside can't call stuff unless it's in his zone.

Maybe having an off ice monitor the back end stuff for cheap things, lets the one ref move forward so he can see the play better. But something has to change because the refs are becoming more and more impactful in games and this just isn't Oilers games and they shouldn't be. Refs especially should not be calling penalties when they are out of position to see the play straight on and they do all the time. In football, the ref calling roughing the passer or holding at the line of scrimmage is typically the ref that is standing right there. You don't get those calls usually from the ref that is 30 yards down the field.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823625 is a reply to message #823622 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 15:29

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I'm always reluctant to think the solution to any problem is simply adding more enforcement. Our shared NHL experience has already shown that adding a ref didn't solve problem. Neither did adding the control center in Toronto. Or linesman reviews or reviews of major penalties or mandatory penalties. So why would we think a 5th official in the sky would solve the problems. Yes, they would be able to see the game more broadly and potentially catch more infractions, but they'd also be able the game more broadly and potentially catch more infractions against your team.

The question becomes do we believe than an off-ice official that doesn't have to interact with the players and can be almost entirely anonymous will lead to the consumers of the product thinking the game is more fair? Personally I think a 5th official would help the game a little, but would lead to more screams that the league sucks and is out to get my team. Both on and off the ice.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823635 is a reply to message #823625 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 19:53

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Carolina won on the 11th, Florida beat Toronto (heh) on the 12th. Not playing until the 18th is ridiculous.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823638 is a reply to message #823635 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 21:21

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 19:53

Carolina won on the 11th, Florida beat Toronto (heh) on the 12th. Not playing until the 18th is ridiculous.

You called it. Two days off for no good reason. Just wait until the 5-day break before the Finals.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823645 is a reply to message #823638 ]	Tue, 16 May 2023 08:23

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Adam wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 21:21

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 19:53

Carolina won on the 11th, Florida beat Toronto (heh) on the 12th. Not playing until the 18th is ridiculous.

You called it. Two days off for no good reason. Just wait until the 5-day break before the Finals.

They really make it easy to forget hockey. Smartest men in the room syndrome.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823616 is a reply to message #823604 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 14:00

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 12:34

So, who is still going to be bothered watching the remainder of the playoffs now that our boys are out? I know I'm not. I couldn't care less about any of the remaining teams.

Doubt I watch another game. I'll check highlights, and laugh if Vegas loses.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823619 is a reply to message #823604 ]	Mon, 15 May 2023 14:35

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 15 May 2023 11:34

So, who is still going to be bothered watching the remainder of the playoffs now that our boys are out? I know I'm not. I couldn't care less about any of the remaining teams.

It’s May 15, weather is hot. I’ll watch the cup get handed out, that’s usually it.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823647 is a reply to message #823619 ]	Tue, 16 May 2023 09:26

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Perfect, Dallas won. So now there is zero reason to watch for any fan not from that market. Some people might have tuned in to see how new team Seattle did. Not anymore.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823648 is a reply to message #823647 ]	Tue, 16 May 2023 09:55

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 09:26

Perfect, Dallas won. So now there is zero reason to watch for any fan not from that market. Some people might have tuned in to see how new team Seattle did. Not anymore.

Other than being a fan of good hockey? The NHL got a really good final 4 with interesting and exciting teams... that no one will watch. It is pretty funny that the most northern game the rest of the way will be in Vegas and all 4 cities were once part of the Spanish Empire (I think. I'm not 100% sure about Raleigh.)

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823652 is a reply to message #823648 ]	Tue, 16 May 2023 11:49

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 09:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 09:26

Perfect, Dallas won. So now there is zero reason to watch for any fan not from that market. Some people might have tuned in to see how new team Seattle did. Not anymore.

Other than being a fan of good hockey? The NHL got a really good final 4 with interesting and exciting teams... that no one will watch. It is pretty funny that the most northern game the rest of the way will be in Vegas and all 4 cities were once part of the Spanish Empire (I think. I'm not 100% sure about Raleigh.)

I think you are in the minority when it comes to thinking the final 4 are interesting, exciting teams.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823653 is a reply to message #823652 ]	Tue, 16 May 2023 12:00

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 11:49

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 09:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 09:26

Perfect, Dallas won. So now there is zero reason to watch for any fan not from that market. Some people might have tuned in to see how new team Seattle did. Not anymore.

Other than being a fan of good hockey? The NHL got a really good final 4 with interesting and exciting teams... that no one will watch. It is pretty funny that the most northern game the rest of the way will be in Vegas and all 4 cities were once part of the Spanish Empire (I think. I'm not 100% sure about Raleigh.)

I think you are in the minority when it comes to thinking the final 4 are interesting, exciting teams.

I agree and I think the TV rating will show that to be true.

Which makes me wonder why Gary bothers scripting the playoffs at all. Why bend over backwards for the TV networks just to give them Carolina and Florida?

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823704 is a reply to message #823653 ]	Wed, 17 May 2023 13:18

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 12:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 11:49

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 09:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 16 May 2023 09:26

Perfect, Dallas won. So now there is zero reason to watch for any fan not from that market. Some people might have tuned in to see how new team Seattle did. Not anymore.

Other than being a fan of good hockey? The NHL got a really good final 4 with interesting and exciting teams... that no one will watch. It is pretty funny that the most northern game the rest of the way will be in Vegas and all 4 cities were once part of the Spanish Empire (I think. I'm not 100% sure about Raleigh.)

I think you are in the minority when it comes to thinking the final 4 are interesting, exciting teams.

I agree and I think the TV rating will show that to be true.

Which makes me wonder why Gary bothers scripting the playoffs at all. Why bend over backwards for the TV networks just to give them Carolina and Florida?

I am pretty sure that the Spanish ever had the Carolinas.

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That said, love the Sunbelt Final Four. If it can't be in Edmonton, keep it as far away from us as possible.

I find it bizarre, but I'd prefer to see a Dallas/Carolina final now...

And it is likely to be good hockey. Those are four good hockey teams after all. I don't know why anyone would suggest that they aren't interesting to watch, other than their geographies which is a weird petty gripe if you ask me.

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Re: 2022-2023 NHL Playoffs! [message #823705 is a reply to message #823704 ]	Wed, 17 May 2023 13:25

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From wiki:

The region was claimed as part of the Spanish territory named La Florida by Ponce de Leon in 1513. Santa Elena, a Spanish settlement on what is now Parris Island, South Carolina, was the capital of La Florida from 1566 to 1587. It was founded by Pedro Menéndez de Avilés, the first governor of Spanish Florida.

To be honest though, I was guessing. I thought the Spanish went up a little higher than Florida, but I'm more familiar with the map you posted.

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