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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 11 May 2023 14:07 | Rule 46.2
Quote: | 46.2 Aggressor
The aggressor in an altercation shall be the player who
continues to throw punches in an attempt to inflict punishment on his
opponent who is in a defenseless position or who is an unwilling
combatant.
A player must be deemed the aggressor when he has clearly won
the fight but he continues throwing and landing punches in a further
attempt to inflict punishment and/or injury on his opponent who is no
longer in a position to defend himself.
A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation shall
be assessed a major penalty for fighting and a game misconduct.
A player who is deemed to be the aggressor of an altercation will
have this recorded as an aggressor of an altercation for statistical and
suspension purposes.
A player who is deemed to be both the instigator and aggressor of
an altercation shall be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major
penalty for fighting, a ten-minute misconduct (instigator) and a game
misconduct penalty (aggressor).
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I don't think Nurse qualifies as the "aggressor" according to NHL rule 46.2
It also seem that during regular play (<55 minutes) a suspension only applies if you're the aggressor, in ADDITION to being the instigator.
Rule 46.11
Quote: | 46.11 Instigator -
An instigator of an altercation shall be a player who by his
actions or demeanor demonstrates any/some of the following criteria:
- distance traveled;
- gloves off first;
- first punch thrown;
- menacing attitude or posture;
- verbal instigation or threats;
- conduct in retaliation to a prior game (or season) incident;
- obvious retribution for a previous incident in the game or season.
A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation shall
be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting
and a ten-minute misconduct.
If the same player is deemed to be the instigator of a second
altercation in the same game, he shall be assessed an instigating
minor penalty, a major penalty for fighting and a game misconduct.
When a player receives his third instigator penalty in one Regular
season, he is automatically given a game misconduct following that
third violation.
A player who is deemed to be both the instigator and aggressor of
an altercation shall be assessed an instigating minor penalty, a major
penalty for fighting, a ten-minute misconduct (instigator) and a game
misconduct penalty (aggressor).
Any request by a Club to have an instigator penalty reviewed and
rescinded by the League must follow the same procedure for game
misconduct penalties as outlined in 23.2.
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This defines the instigator.
- distance traveled; Nurse travels skates to Hague, but the play was still live.. and even so, what distance qualifies as an instigator? its not like a goalie skating down from the opposite end of the ice..
- gloves off first; Simultaneous Nurse/Hague
- first punch thrown; Hague punches Nurse EIGHT (8) time BEFORE Nurse tosses even ONE (1)
- menacing attitude or posture; Indefinitive.. what does this even mean?
- verbal instigation or threats; Indefinitive.. Both were verbally "threatening" each other all game.. nothing definitive. Hague was even threatening other players like Kane..
- conduct in retaliation to a prior game (or season) incident; Indefinitive.. speculative at best
Based on this definition, I don't think Nurse should have been assessed the "Instigator" in that situation.. in which case the game suspension that is assessed with the Instigator penalty in the last 5 minutes of a game, which everyone in media is quoting, does not apply (Rule 46.12 below).
Rule 46.12
Quote: | 46.12 Instigator in Final Five Minutes of Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime) -
A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an
altercation in the final five (5) minutes of regulation time or at any time
in overtime shall be assessed an instigator minor penalty, a major
penalty for fighting, and a game misconduct penalty, subject to the
conditions outlined in 46.22.
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Rule 46.21
Quote: | 46.21 Fines and Suspensions – Instigator in Final Five Minutes of
Regulation Time (or Anytime in Overtime)
A player who is deemed to be the instigator of an altercation in the final five (5)
minutes of regulation time or at anytime in overtime (see 46.12), shall
be suspended for one game, pending a review of the incident.
When the one-game suspension is imposed, the Coach shall be
fined $10,000 – a fine that will double for each subsequent incident.
The suspension shall be served unless, upon review of the
incident, the Director of Hockey Operations, at his discretion, deems
the incident is not related to the score, previous incidents in the game
or prior games, retaliatory in nature, “message sending”, etc.
The length of suspension will double for each subsequent offense.
This suspension shall be served in addition to any other automatic
suspensions a player may incur for an accumulation of three or more
instigator penalties.
No team appeals will be permitted either verbally or in writing
regarding the assessment of this automatic suspension as ALL
incidents are reviewed by the Director of Hockey Operations as
outlined above.
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Based on this, Nurse's instigator status in that incident WILL BE reviewed by Hockey Ops.. and based on the NHL definition of "instigator", a solid case to rescind it, and no suspension.
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So based on what you posted from the rules.
Hague took off his gloves first. Now if you want to say they tied, fine but he was first by a half second.
Hague threw the first 8 punches.
Hague challenged Nurse to a fight, maybe 10-15 second earlier. This was admitted by Stone. So Hague would have had the menacing attitude. When you challenge a person to fight, that's a menacing attitude. He also did verbal instigation by asking Nurse to fight.
Conduct relating to the game. The Oilers were beating the crap out of Vegas. It was late in the game. It was 4-1, game was over. Vegas was mad. Hague wanted to fight.
So the only thing Nurse did by the definition of being an instigator was he skated to the guy.
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