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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819327 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Thu, 09 March 2023 21:38

Kr55
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Thanks for nothing Tampa, Colorado, and probably Ottawa too. Sigh...

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819328 is a reply to message #819327 ]	Thu, 09 March 2023 22:47

Red Rage
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Sens win!

But yeah, Calgary's not out of it by any stretch. What the heck is happening in the Peg?? There's still a lot of hockey to be played.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819375 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Sat, 11 March 2023 06:48

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No joy in Shelbyville this morning.

Flames still using the Eakins offence, and lost to Ducks. 37 shots and 1 goal.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819476 is a reply to message #819375 ]	Sun, 12 March 2023 20:50

Adam
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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 11 March 2023 06:48

No joy in Shelbyville this morning.

Flames still using the Eakins offence, and lost to Ducks. 37 shots and 1 goal.

Horrible day on the old OOTS. Flames winning, Jets win, Golden Knights win. No help from anyone lately.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819477 is a reply to message #819476 ]	Sun, 12 March 2023 21:02

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Sun, 12 March 2023 20:50

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 11 March 2023 06:48

No joy in Shelbyville this morning.

Flames still using the Eakins offence, and lost to Ducks. 37 shots and 1 goal.

Horrible day on the old OOTS. Flames winning, Jets win, Golden Knights win. No help from anyone lately.

Geez. Hurts when you see your team just gifting crap away and no one else seems to want to do the same to stick with us

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819475 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Sun, 12 March 2023 19:28

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Oilers ruined Bruins..

Boston loses to Detroit 5-3 today.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819491 is a reply to message #819475 ]	Mon, 13 March 2023 10:35

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Does anyone know if refs get fined or reprimanded when they either don't call a penalty on a player or don't call a major one and then the league comes out and gives the guy a fine for it? When you get a fine for something, that's the league saying that play was bad. When you get the MAX fine allowed by the CBA, that's the league saying that play was really, really bad. Giving coincidental minors when Tavares tries to break Desharnais's wrist and then the league coming out after and saying, Yes that play was very dangerous, looks pretty crappy on the officials in my opinion.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819562 is a reply to message #819475 ]	Tue, 14 March 2023 21:51

Red Rage
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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 March 2023 19:28

Oilers ruined Bruins..

Boston loses to Detroit 5-3 today.

And now they lost to ... Chicago!

So now they're 1 and 3 in their recent skid, with a match coming up against an increasingly desperate Jets squad.

Regardless, Boston is now the first team to clinch a playoff berth

Is this a Bruins squad that are coasting, now that they have the 100 pt record and the playoffs, or is this a Ruins team that is cracking after playing at such a high level all year? T'will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819566 is a reply to message #819562 ]	Tue, 14 March 2023 22:37

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Red Rage wrote on Tue, 14 March 2023 20:51

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 March 2023 19:28

Oilers ruined Bruins..

Boston loses to Detroit 5-3 today.

I would say more on the coasting side.
They already played the salary cap bonus situation like a harp.
Probably have Hall on ice to be fresh for playoffs and maybe cap.
Bergeron, Marchand, Krejci, Pastrnak... these are players that play it smart, but rise up for the big playoff games where it matters.
And this might be Bergeron's last dance, and the Bruins will walk through fire for him.

I'm hoping the east is a total war this post season. Cause hopefully that'll slow the Bruins down.

[Updated on: Tue, 14 March 2023 22:39]

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819504 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Mon, 13 March 2023 20:41

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The Jesse Age in Carolina not starting well. Shut out in both of Jesse's first games, and now Svechnikov is done for the season with an ACL tear.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819509 is a reply to message #819504 ]	Tue, 14 March 2023 08:23

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But I have seen on twitter JP's advanced numbers are good for the Canes. No actual goals or points of course but the advanced numbers are what matter apparently.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819521 is a reply to message #819509 ]	Tue, 14 March 2023 11:54

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 14 March 2023 08:23

But I have seen on twitter JP's advanced numbers are good for the Canes. No actual goals or points of course but the advanced numbers are what matter apparently.

Seems he actually played OK. Didn't have to experience any of the goals against in those games. But, possible he brought some kind of curse over with him. That's an unfortunate sequence of events for the Canes who were looking to make a big playoff run. Worst of course being the loss of Svechnikov.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819522 is a reply to message #819509 ]	Tue, 14 March 2023 12:11

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 14 March 2023 08:23

But I have seen on twitter JP's advanced numbers are good for the Canes. No actual goals or points of course but the advanced numbers are what matter apparently.

Man, Oilers fans are the worst for cheering against minor players after they leave here. The number of Edmonton fans who gloated over Bear's post-covid struggles in Carolina is bonkers...and his play in Vancouver hasn't been talked about nearly so much.

Again, I think this stuff starts with our crappy media. I read a story on Tom Poti once from a Washington Capital or New York Ranger media guy, I can't remember which, but he talked about how when they'd play Edmonton, the Oilers media guys were always taking potshots at the guy even in conversations with their counterparts covering the other team, and he couldn't understand it because Poti was solid. Played over 800 games and was a big part of those teams. Put up points and they didn't consider him to be soft at all - but Mark Spector would flounce on up and try to get them to join the "I Hate Tom Poti" club.

I expect Spector and a few others will talk negatively about Puljujarvi the remainder of his career every chance they get too.

Anyone notice the Rob Schremp interaction with Edmonton media a short while ago? Called them out as a negative force.

It's a shame that so many of our fans are infected by that nonsense. It hurts us as a market.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819568 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Tue, 14 March 2023 22:56

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I feel like every time I look at the other games after we win, LA and Vegas have also won.

It’s getting ridiculous how little ground we make. I want home ice in round 1 at the very least.

Clean house or bust

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819586 is a reply to message #819568 ]	Thu, 16 March 2023 00:33

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Round 1 Opponent[ 17 vote(s) ]

1. Wild 2 / 12%
2. Avalanche 0 / 0%
3. Stars 0 / 0%
4. Kraken 10 / 59%
5. Knights 1 / 6%
6. Kings 4 / 24%

Who do you WANT to play in Round 1?

I'm leaving out the Jets, Flames and Preds due to the improbability of them being a round 1 opponent.

[Updated on: Thu, 16 March 2023 00:36]

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819590 is a reply to message #819586 ]	Thu, 16 March 2023 09:20

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I think the Oilers can and will beat any first round opponent but the team that worries me the most is the Kings. With the style they play and McLellan seemingly knowing how to slow down the Oilers big guns.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819711 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Sat, 18 March 2023 23:02

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Only in Bettman's world are the 31-39 Flames ahead of the 34-33 Preds in the standings.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819712 is a reply to message #819711 ]	Sat, 18 March 2023 23:27

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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 18 March 2023 23:02

Only in Bettman's world are the 31-39 Flames ahead of the 34-33 Preds in the standings.

Holy crap. Markstrom just murdered me this week in the Oilfans pool. I suppose appropriate for team "CalgaryisnoGood". Marky bringing the maximum nogoodness. Looks good on him, I can't complain.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819714 is a reply to message #819711 ]	Sun, 19 March 2023 08:34

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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 18 March 2023 23:02

Only in Bettman's world are the 31-39 Flames ahead of the 34-33 Preds in the standings.

Interesting that A) the Flames have been to overtime more than anyone else in the league - 21 times - and B) that they suck so much at it. They're 6-15 in the extra frame. The only teams that are comparable or worse on the second front are the San Jose Sharks (5-14), the Philadelphia Flyers (a woeful 2-12) and unfortunately, the Edmonton Oilers (2-8).

I will say, I thought that 21 overtimes seemed a huge outlier, but looking at the numbers, the Rangers, Stars, Kings, Hurricanes and Ducks have all had 20 extra frames, and Penguins, Devils, Sharks and Wild have all had 19. The Oilers are actually the outlier with only 10 games - least in the league. Bruins, Panthers and Senators all have 12 in a tie for second least.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819715 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Sun, 19 March 2023 15:36

NetBOG
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Sloppy BJs not helping Oilers.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819966 is a reply to message #819715 ]	Thu, 23 March 2023 10:11

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I wonder if the Bruins have thought about continuing their goaltender rotation in the playoffs. I had assumed they would go with Ulmark once the second season started, but Swayman posted back to back shutouts and all they seem to do is win. Do they dare change the plan?

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819990 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Thu, 23 March 2023 17:09

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Just want to get ahead of this.

You suck Flames, thanks for nothing playing like garbage and losing to Vegas.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819993 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Thu, 23 March 2023 23:26

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Interesting to see the Staal brothers leveraging off Provorov and Reimer's stands to push back against wearing pride jerseys. Eric Staal denied having worn one before, despite the fact that he did, and there's photographic evidence of it during his time in Montreal. Marc also wore one in New York.

Honestly, I think the Panthers and Sharks have done this right. Everyone can decide for themselves whether to opt out of these things, but they also get to try to defend their actions after the fact. I don't believe there should be any suspensions or that people shouldn't be allowed to play in the game. But I don't think they should be spared any mockery over their fear of rainbows either. Ask them to point to the passages in scripture. Push them to show that they've actually lived up to the values they're hiding behind right now. Ask them about ridiculous things from the bible and see if they have any answers for whether they live to those standards. Ask them if Christ would have been unaccepting and scornful of people - whether he saw their actions as sinful or not.

Ultimately though, I think the holdouts have probably given more exposure and coverage of the pride nights than they would ever have gotten as the non-descript nights that the NHL intended. The thing that will be most interesting is if the NHL has the stomach for these stories, or if we see them pull back on special jersey nights in a big way next year for fear of making more headlines. s

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819994 is a reply to message #819993 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 00:26

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Adam wrote on Thu, 23 March 2023 23:26

Saw that Chicago just fully bailed out of it. They are a shining example of what that jersey is about. They had a player that was mocked by teammates as being gay and allowed to be abused by a Blackhawks employee. And the org knew and swept it under the rug so it didn't interfere with their cup run. Many involved are unapologetic to this day. Now they are just making up some safety for Russian players excuse to just avoid this all together.

[Updated on: Fri, 24 March 2023 10:58]

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819995 is a reply to message #819993 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 03:38

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I'd be fine with NHL teams not ever hosting a "Group X Night" again. All of it. Military, culture X heritage, pride nights.

I don't think my family likes the Canucks any more or less because they do Diwali night.

I don't watch hockey to learn about other cultures. I don't watch hockey to talk about social issues, and that's kind of all the story ever is these days. It's exhausting. Maybe that is heartless, but it is supposed to be an escape for me.

In any large group of people, some are going to suck. James Reimer, the Staal brothers do suck. But we're going to be angry all the time if we need to do a yearly survey of 750 players beliefs. It's just statistics.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819997 is a reply to message #819993 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

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Adam wrote on Thu, 23 March 2023 23:26

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819998 is a reply to message #819997 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 10:54

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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

Adam wrote on Thu, 23 March 2023 23:26

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

Yeah, it's better if everyone falls in line and just does what the big bosses demand. Hopefully they don't do a special olympics night. Simple Jack might have to sit it out.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #819999 is a reply to message #819998 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 11:10

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:54

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

Yeah, it's better if everyone falls in line and just does what the big bosses demand. Hopefully they don't do a special olympics night. Simple Jack might have to sit it out.

If they sit out, they sit out. Ultimately, the player holdouts have done more for awareness than these nights ever have. Would you have known about the Pride nights for the Flyers, Sharks, Panthers, Wild and Blackhawks if not for these? At most, you'd have seen a two second clip of the players in the jersey on Sportscenter, and in most cases probably not even that. Because of the players who've said no - this has become a conversation across the sport and the fanbase, with several influential voices weighing in. That does a lot more for awareness than just wearing the jerseys, and honestly it flags why the nights are important. There's still a segment of the population, represented now by Provorov, Reimer and the Staals, who aren't open or welcoming to this population and who would still seek to stigmatize them. The nights are important only because there's people like the Staals out there and they've just brought the spotlight to that.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820000 is a reply to message #819999 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 11:18

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Adam wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 11:10

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:54

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

Yeah, it's better if everyone falls in line and just does what the big bosses demand. Hopefully they don't do a special olympics night. Simple Jack might have to sit it out.

The problem is when lone voice outliers start to protest against the orthodox group think of the day it becomes more and more acceptable to go against what government, big business, media, academia, and decades of mental and social conditioning demand. If we don't stamp this out now we might not be able to force everyone to toe the line in the future. Dangerous times.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820001 is a reply to message #820000 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 12:48

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 11:18

Adam wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 11:10

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:54

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

Yeah, it's better if everyone falls in line and just does what the big bosses demand. Hopefully they don't do a special olympics night. Simple Jack might have to sit it out.

The real danger is the attack on basic freedom to exist for people like me, especially down here. Hence why we left Texas for a better state.

As Pierre LeBrun just said in an article on The Athletic "This is saying everyone is welcomed into hockey's society. That's not politics, sorry. That's human decency."

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820002 is a reply to message #820001 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 13:00

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Pi should consider a move to Texas. He seems to follow their line of thinking on... everything...

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820003 is a reply to message #820002 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 13:27

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 13:00

Pi should consider a move to Texas. He seems to follow their line of thinking on... everything...

I don't think this kind of reply is conducive to healthy debate in here for a number of reasons.

- It could be read as a bit of a personal attack. This certainly looks along the lines of the old "if you don't like it here, then you should go to X/go back to X"
- CrusaderPi hasn't actually voiced any support for the position that Reimer and the Staals have taken, rather he's just suggested that they have freedom of speech and expression, so they have the right not to wear that jersey. That's true - at least to a point. They need to be able to fulfill their commitments under their player contract, so if an NHL team were to decide for Pride night to wear the rainbow jersey the entire game, it could be a requirement for a player to wear it. Since that's not what is happening, it would be a tough argument to say that a player MUST wear one of these jerseys.
- while I disagree with him that A) there's any relevance to government oversight and squashing of dissent here and B) that it's somehow wrong for people to judge these guys on their regressive beliefs - I do think that he should be able to state what he thinks and that the debate around it should remain civil.

I'm guessing that you meant this sort of jokingly, but it's hard to read tone in to text and I think it comes off more aggressive than you probably meant it to.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820009 is a reply to message #820001 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 20:20

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Suomalainen wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 12:48

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 11:18

Adam wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 11:10

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:54

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

Yeah, it's better if everyone falls in line and just does what the big bosses demand. Hopefully they don't do a special olympics night. Simple Jack might have to sit it out.

Hey I’m with you man. I want you to exist and much as I want to exist myself.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820006 is a reply to message #819997 ]	Fri, 24 March 2023 15:04

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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

I am curious whether the Kostin-lovers on Oilfans (of whom there are plenty, including me) would utterly turn on him if he did decide not to wear the warm-up jersey tomorrow night.

I'm also curious as to how "I won't wear the rainbow jersey" is taken to be equal to "I won't accept people who are gay, and would like to stigmatize them as less worthy, and don't think they should be allowed to play hockey". I think it's entirely logically consistent to say in one breath "I think gay hockey players should be welcome and accepted on my hockey team as fully equal and contributing members" (and "I think same-sex couples should have the ability and right to be in legalized marriage relationships") and in the next breath "I would prefer not to wear a jersey that, in my perception at least, celebrates or affirms that lifestyle". Where's the contradiction? I don't think it's that difficult for someone in a pluralistic society to say "Followers of religion/tradition X should be able to worship/live in accordance with their tradition" and simultaneously to say "I would prefer not to be required to attend a worship service in their tradition".

Is there a line from "I'm not wearing the jersey" to "Suoma doesn't have a right to exist"? Sorry - but in logic that's called a non-sequitur - the conclusion just does not follow from the premises involved. There are a lot of other intermediate premises, which folks like Provorov may or may not [probably not] accept, that would be required to get from A to B. And honestly, I'm not hearing anybody significant expressing or embracing those intermediate premises.

I would probably not object to wearing the warm-up jersey, as I perceive it be a pretty meaningless token. But I can appreciate someone thinking differently, and not wanting to take part in something that they perceive as a celebration or affirmation of that which they deem morally objectionable.

Most significantly, I think it is sadly ironic that there is such vitriolic judgmentalism being expressed toward players like the Staals for their perceived judgmentalism. Calling them (at least by proxy) "dopes", "indecent", "unwelcoming", guilty of "stigmatizing" others, deserving of "mockery" - that seems pretty judgy for people that don't like judginess.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820020 is a reply to message #820006 ]	Sat, 25 March 2023 17:51

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AndersonRules wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 15:04

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 24 March 2023 10:52

Oilers LGBTQ jersey game is tomorrow night. Kostin is the only Russian on the roster. Hopefully no dopes refuse.

The degree to which ordinary peoples ability to see nuance or engage in logical discourse has been destroyed by mass media is really something to see in real time. Responses like the one above and the absurd leap to complete demonetisation of any dissenting disagreement are completely normal now it seems. People hear it on their tv/radio/phone etc and so they assume that it must be the right response. I heard Wyshinkski on the radio a few days ago doing the same thing WRT Reimer. He flat out stated as fact that Reimer wants gay people dead. But this is what "journalists" are paid to do.

It is by design and an extremely effective way to shut down any debate on a subject because now, rather than have a discussion you feel compelled to have to defend a position that you don't hold. As you said, a logical fallacy by any measure.

You can absolutely believe that hockey should be open to everyone and be accepting of gay rights without necessarily supporting everything that is done or promoted under the umbrella of that political symbol. And it is a political symbol.

But as CP said the point isn't to encourage good faith debate - The point is to make any sort of dissent to whatever the current thing is impossible or at least extremely difficult and uncomfortable. Compelled speech isn't a new concept and as always it's done with purpose.

I can basically guarantee there are players on every team who feel the same way. I actually think that when the odd player decides not to play along with the charade and the ensuing media/corporate foaming at the mouth that more and more people will ask themselves why.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820251 is a reply to message #820020 ]	Tue, 28 March 2023 20:53

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Ooh NSH beat BOS! That makes me feel less dirty about cheering for a Flames win vs LA.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820260 is a reply to message #820251 ]	Tue, 28 March 2023 21:29

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 28 March 2023 20:53

Ooh NSH beat BOS! That makes me feel less dirty about cheering for a Flames win vs LA.

Duchene done for the season likely though - not ideal for the Predators. He has been hot lately too.

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820016 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Sat, 25 March 2023 16:49

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Looks like Chychrun out for rest of season..

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820389 is a reply to message #812389 ]	Fri, 31 March 2023 16:49

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I know many are cheering for the Red Wings tonight, to beat the Jets… but I’m in the camp of let’s go Jets.

I don’t want any part of Calgary to experience playoff hockey.

And the Musty boys will take care of clinching shortly on their own regardless of the Jets

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820390 is a reply to message #820389 ]	Fri, 31 March 2023 17:51

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 31 March 2023 19:49

Are they? Heck with that. Go Jets! They have to win sooner or later...right?

Edit (at the risk of jinxing it): 3-0 Jets in the 1st? Let's Go!!!

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Re: 2022-23 Regular Season OOT Thread [message #820392 is a reply to message #820390 ]	Fri, 31 March 2023 19:42

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 31 March 2023 17:51

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 31 March 2023 19:49

Are they? Heck with that. Go Jets! They have to win sooner or later...right?

Edit (at the risk of jinxing it): 3-0 Jets in the 1st? Let's Go!!!

I’ve seen a fair bit of Oilers fans and the like saying let’s go wings on the Ol twitter. Puke in my mouth with ppl wanting the flames to get in.

5-0 jets after 2. So far so good.

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