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 Skookum Jim
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Oilers trade for Nick Bjugstad.. for a 3rd.. confirmation coming..
Nick Bjugstad
Center
6' 6" 209 lb
Age: 30
Born: July 17, 1992
Birthplace: Minneapolis, MN, USA
Shoots: Right
Draft: 2010 FLA, 1st rd, 19th pk (19th overall)
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TSN 1260 is reporting that Ryan Rishaug have confirmed that Frank Serevelli has reported this to be true.
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nullterm
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Everything is happening!
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CrusaderPi
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I like Bjugstad a lot. He tough and cheap. Get him on a plane and into the lineup.
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RDOilerfan
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Rishaugh staying 50% retained and it's for a 3rd rounder.
I like it.
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nullterm
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It’s strange having a GM that can see our deficiencies (inability to stop opposing team offense) and actually fix them at a time when everything else is ready to rock n roll.
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CrusaderPi
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| nullterm wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:43 |
It’s strange having a GM that can see our deficiencies (inability to stop opposing team offense) and actually fix them at a time when everything else is ready to rock n roll.
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Yeah, it's hard to complain about this deadline too much.
Pulju's time was done and he's gone
The Oilers needed some defensive D help and got it
The Oilers needed some forward toughness with some depth scoring upside and got it
It's a shame to lose Barrie on a decent contract but such is life. This team is a lot better than it was a week ago.
Apparently Kesselring was also sent to Phoenix.
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RDOilerfan
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Full trade.
Oilers: Bjugstad
Yotes: 3rd rounder, Kesselring + 50% retained.
I still like the trade.
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Skookum Jim
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Oh crap.. just learned Kesselring is going to AZ.. fk.. now its a much higher price.. Kesselring was the top scoring AHL D-man .. and RHD..
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:52 |
Oh crap.. just learned Kesselring is going to AZ.. fk.. now its a much higher price.. Kesselring was the top scoring AHL D-man .. and RHD..
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If you listen to the Oilers AHL coach, Kesselring is doing well scoring but is a long ways away. Very raw talent.
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:52 |
Oh crap.. just learned Kesselring is going to AZ.. fk.. now its a much higher price.. Kesselring was the top scoring AHL D-man .. and RHD..
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Agreed. This makes it an overpay.
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Oilers fans are hilarious at times. They want the team to go after the cup and bring in players that might help. They want them to do this because they are worried about the McD or Leon angle but now I see them moaning about losing an AHL dman who in the next 3 yrs if he makes it at all, won't help the Oilers what so ever.
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Skookum Jim
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Doesn't scrap much .. had one with Oleksiak .. who's a beast.. hung on for most of it ..
Maybe Killer Hopkins can teach Bjugstad how to scrap!
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Very nice - worth solidifying depth for a couple of lottery tickets
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RDOilerfan
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Oilers got AHL Dman Cam Dineen back in the deal.
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 16:01 |
Oilers fans are hilarious at times. They want the team to go after the cup and bring in players that might help. They want them to do this because they are worried about the McD or Leon angle but now I see them moaning about losing an AHL dman who in the next 3 yrs if he makes it at all, won't help the Oilers what so ever.
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You make a good point. It was fun seeing a late round pick become a player with at least a little value and some potential. To me it is most disappointing because I had a friend in high school named Mike Kesselring, and just thought it was funny that a guy with the exact same name was drafted by the Oilers and actually making some noise in the minors.
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Skookum Jim
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:01 |
Oilers fans are hilarious at times. They want the team to go after the cup and bring in players that might help. They want them to do this because they are worried about the McD or Leon angle but now I see them moaning about losing an AHL dman who in the next 3 yrs if he makes it at all, won't help the Oilers what so ever.
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Kesselring was probably the best D prospect down in Bako.. great skater, 6'-5" , RHD .. and scores at a high level.. it turns into a 3rd and a high value prospect for a rental.
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RDOilerfan
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 14:13 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:01 |
Oilers fans are hilarious at times. They want the team to go after the cup and bring in players that might help. They want them to do this because they are worried about the McD or Leon angle but now I see them moaning about losing an AHL dman who in the next 3 yrs if he makes it at all, won't help the Oilers what so ever.
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Kesselring was probably the best D prospect down in Bako.. great skater, 6'-5" , RHD .. and scores at a high level.. it turns into a 3rd and a high value prospect for a rental.
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What do you base that opinion off of, because he has a bunch of goals? I listen to AHL coach come on the radio every week and he says he has a ways to go. He does talk glowingly about Kemp.
But even if what you say is true about Kesselring, if the window is now and the next few years before Leon and McD need new deals, does Kesselring help the Oilers now or in the next 2-3 yrs? Very doubtful.
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Skookum Jim
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:18 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 14:13 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:01 |
Oilers fans are hilarious at times. They want the team to go after the cup and bring in players that might help. They want them to do this because they are worried about the McD or Leon angle but now I see them moaning about losing an AHL dman who in the next 3 yrs if he makes it at all, won't help the Oilers what so ever.
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Kesselring was probably the best D prospect down in Bako.. great skater, 6'-5" , RHD .. and scores at a high level.. it turns into a 3rd and a high value prospect for a rental.
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What do you base that opinion off of, because he has a bunch of goals? I listen to AHL coach come on the radio every week and he says he has a ways to go. He does talk glowingly about Kemp.
But even if what you say is true about Kesselring, if the window is now and the next few years before Leon and McD need new deals, does Kesselring help the Oilers now or in the next 2-3 yrs? Very doubtful.
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Why do you think AZ wanted Kesselring instead of Kemp?
Have you ever seen Kesserling and Kemp skate? Not even close.
Fact remains its a lot to give up for a rental.
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smyth260
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Let’s get the full deal clarified:
From Oilers twitter.
“The #Oilers have acquired forward Nick Bjugstad & defenceman Cam Dineen from the Arizona Coyotes in exchange for defenceman Michael Kesselring & a 2023 third-round pick. In addition, Arizona will retain 50% of Bjugstad's salary.”
Condors expert bcurlock doesn’t like this deal for giving up Kesslring. From the outside it looks like swapping one offensive RD in Kesselring for an offensive LD in Dineen.
But what really matters is that the Oilers today are a much better team than they were yesterday. I’d say the best on paper since 2006 now. We didn’t rob anybody at the deadline but I think this is the best we can hope for and I’m here for it.
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From everything I read about Kesselring, he's a big, right shot dman that isn't physical at all. He's had a big goal scoring season but needs a lot of work on the defensive side.
Sounds like a project who's easily 2-3 yrs away min from maybe making it, if at all. I am going to guess the goal scoring is what has made people notice him. If you look up his stats from college and seasons before, he was never a big time scorer. Maybe he's just a late bloomer offensively or he could be a guy who for whatever reason, pucks just went in this year but probably won't continue.
Either way, like I said, he's not helping the Oilers anytime soon.
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Skookum Jim
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:58 |
From everything I read about Kesselring, he's a big, right shot dman that isn't physical at all. He's had a big goal scoring season but needs a lot of work on the defensive side.
Sounds like a project who's easily 2-3 yrs away min from maybe making it, if at all. I am going to guess the goal scoring is what has made people notice him. If you look up his stats from college and seasons before, he was never a big time scorer. Maybe he's just a late bloomer offensively or he could be a guy who for whatever reason, pucks just went in this year but probably won't continue.
Either way, like I said, he's not helping the Oilers anytime soon.
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Not true, Kesselring plays physical.
eg. https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n264099
Watched a game in Abbotsford last year, Kesselring was the best skater on the team.
I doubt Kemp makes the NHL based on skating.. which leaves us with no current RHD prospects.. closest is Max Wanner.. a distant bell
Hope Bjugstad is good, can't remember him being that noticeable over the years.. hope the pro-scouts are right.
Dineen is 5'-11" 188 lbs .. 24 .. LHD.. I think he's just a throw in to fill out the Bako roster.
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Didn’t the Millenium Falcon fly the Kesselring in less than 12 parsecs? Can’t be that mighty if he can be outrun in less than 12 parsecs can he?
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 14:01 |
Oilers fans are hilarious at times. They want the team to go after the cup and bring in players that might help. They want them to do this because they are worried about the McD or Leon angle but now I see them moaning about losing an AHL dman who in the next 3 yrs if he makes it at all, won't help the Oilers what so ever.
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Not moaning, just saying Kesselring seemed to have good potential. It is what it is, just an opinion - I’ve never thought much of Bjugstad.
Go ahead though, you do you.
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| jerekybeef wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 15:56 |
Didn’t the Millenium Falcon fly the Kesselring in less than 12 parsecs? Can’t be that mighty if he can be outrun in less than 12 parsecs can he?
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Strong agree. This is the type of intangible that gets overlooked far too often. Makes the trade even better.
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I think we should all be mentally ready to see the Condors utterly gutted over the next couple years. I'm happy to finally see them push their chips in.
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Dang, that's a nice add.
Think the big boys here should be happy about this deadline.
Now if Skinner can just get on a roll, and Ceci can get his brain working, we're pretty solid to go on a run.
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Is he really any better than McLeod or Ryan? This feels like a do-nothing trade to satisfy the "ALL IN!!!!!!!!" crowd. May as well not even send anybody to the draft this year. Derek Brassard 2.0.
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Injuries happen. Puljujarvi needed a replacement. We still see Shore in the lineup frequently. There were plenty of reasons to do this.
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| NetBOG wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 20:32 |
Is he really any better than McLeod or Ryan? This feels like a do-nothing trade to satisfy the "ALL IN!!!!!!!!" crowd. May as well not even send anybody to the draft this year. Derek Brassard 2.0.
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3rd this year is meaningless. We're talking about a lottery shot at maybe playing for the Oilers 5 years from now, which is long after McDavid and Draisaitl are gone if we don't win a Cup (and maybe even if we do).
Kesselring is maybe a bigger piece, but it's hard to say with any certainty. He's a young guy, and a 6th round pick who's out-performing his draft position, but again, he's miles away from an impactful role at the NHL level, so he's an acceptable loss. The fact is, the Oilers are selling high on him right now - something they rarely ever do. That's a positive in my books. They are getting a legit NHL forward in return.
Now, I'll temper things by saying that Bjugstad is not in any ways a world beater. He's five years and several injuries removed from his best days. He's more a middle-six than a top-six guy. He may not be better than McLeod, but that's fine. He's better than Shore or Jannmark, so it's a clear upgrade to bring him in. He has more points than any forwards other than 97, 29, 93 and 18.
I would still love to see a winger who can truly be a top performer here, and a high end goalie would be very welcome as well. I think Holland's done better than expected, solid B-grade for this trade deadline if he stops here. I also think he'll stop here. He lacks the creativity necessary to get anything else done. That's okay...it's a lot better than it could have been.
As for the draft this summer? Who cares. Draft picks are over-rated, and we should be hoping to hold the 32nd pick in each round anyhow.
Get the scouts working double time identifying the next Panarin or Guentzel. Over-age Europeans and College standouts are better anyhow, because they can possibly step right in to the NHL whereas a 20-something or worse pick in the first round is years away.
If I'm GM, I'd be willing to trade all the other picks too...plus Lavoie, Tullio, Bourgault, Holloway...whatever it takes to win a Cup this year or next.
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 15:55 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 March 2023 13:58 |
From everything I read about Kesselring, he's a big, right shot dman that isn't physical at all. He's had a big goal scoring season but needs a lot of work on the defensive side.
Sounds like a project who's easily 2-3 yrs away min from maybe making it, if at all. I am going to guess the goal scoring is what has made people notice him. If you look up his stats from college and seasons before, he was never a big time scorer. Maybe he's just a late bloomer offensively or he could be a guy who for whatever reason, pucks just went in this year but probably won't continue.
Either way, like I said, he's not helping the Oilers anytime soon.
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Not true, Kesselring plays physical.
eg. https://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/n264099
Watched a game in Abbotsford last year, Kesselring was the best skater on the team.
I doubt Kemp makes the NHL based on skating.. which leaves us with no current RHD prospects.. closest is Max Wanner.. a distant bell
Hope Bjugstad is good, can't remember him being that noticeable over the years.. hope the pro-scouts are right.
Dineen is 5'-11" 188 lbs .. 24 .. LHD.. I think he's just a throw in to fill out the Bako roster.
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I will take your word for it. I haven't seen him play, all I have to go on is scouting reports and I've seen some that say he's not overly physical and his former AHL coach says he has work to do on the defensively side.
I've seen lots of arm chair GM's, tons on twitter, calling this trade a loss because Kesselring was added. These are the same guys that were screaming for the Oilers to do something and go all in. Would Kesselring have on the team this year in the stretch ride? No.
Would he be even a call up for the playoffs. Very unlikely, not unless the Oilers got crushed injury wise.
Would he be on the team for the 23-24 season? Extremely unlikely. He'd probably be lucky to get a call up for a game or 2 if he was progressing well.
Would he be a full time NHLer for the 24-25 season? Very doubtful. Best case, maybe he gets a call up.
So what's the most likely best case scenario in 2-3 years from now for him? Maybe he is a #7 dman. I don't see a loss here.
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Skookum Jim
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Kesselring getting called up to play his 1st NHL game tonight for AZ.. good for the kid. 👍🏻
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So when is Nick playing for us?
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