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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42) [message #816294 is a reply to message #816289 ]	Mon, 09 January 2023 12:32

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Adam wrote on Mon, 09 January 2023 11:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 09 January 2023 11:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 09 January 2023 10:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 09 January 2023 10:46

I will be curious to see who plays today. Foegele has been scratched for 2 games in a row which I don't agree. What has JP or Yamo done much better that makes it so they don't get scratched? All 3 of the 3 mill men have been lousy this year.
Yamo - 29GP - 3 g, 10 pts +5. That's an 8 goal, 28 pt pace in 82.
JP - 41GP - 3 g, 9 pts, -13. That's a 6 goal, 18 pt pace in 82.
Foegele - 28GP - 4g, 7 pts, -1. That's a 12 goal, 21 pt pace in 82.

What's worse is that JP and Yamo have played significant time with one of McD or Leon. So I would have rotating scratching. Not one of those guys especially JP or Yamo have remotely lived up to their contract.

Janmark should be out. He's been a black hole. The others have generated some chances lately. Yamamoto scored a SHG just Thursday. Puljujarvi is among our best forecheckers. They should not sit for Foegele, and certainly not for Janmark.

I would have Yamo last on the list to scratch because as you pointed out, he did score a shorty and has looked a bit better lately but the rope he gets isn't that long.

I am not going to die on the hill arguing in favor for him so if Janmark gets scratch, sure. But Janmark makes 1.25 mill. He's on a 9 goal, 27 pt pace in 82 games. That's a perfectly acceptable amount of production for a guy making what he makes. He can kill some penalties and is what I see as a pretty standard NHL bottom 6 guy. Could you replace him with someone else at similar dollars and probably get the same level of play, sure. But I don't see him as a problem given what he makes.

Maybe you disagree with me but being a good forechecker doesn't = 3 mill at least in my books for JP. You could take what JP makes and go sign 3 guys at 1 mill a piece, ice an entire NHL 4th line and I bet you could get more goals, pts and they would probably forecheck just fine. They sat Foegele for 2 games to maybe teach him a lesson, now it's JP's turn. Then once you sit JP for a game or 2 to send a message, if Yamo isn't going better, you sit him.

The Oilers are paying 8.85 mill for Yamo, JP & Foegele and in return they have got to date 10 goals, 28 pts. Those 3 should have made up a massive chunk of the Oilers "depth". No reason what so ever those 3 shouldn't be combining for 45-50 goals and over 100 pts at least. They will be lucky to get half that. That's pathetic. That kind of production from 3 guys is the type of production you expect from 3 guys making barely over league min.

McLeod isn't far behind in my books. Now thankfully he is making barely over league min so I am fine to give him a bit more rope but in the offseason everyone was so worried about locking him up long term because he will explode. Well thank god they didn't because he's been lousy as well and with how he's played, he's not in line to get much of a raise next year.

The coach should not at any point be making even a single decision based on how much any player is getting paid. It doesn't matter - the job is to ice the best roster, not the one that's the most fiscally responsible. It doesn't save the team one red cent to scratch a more expensive guy in favour of a cheaper one.

The only thing Woodcroft should be thinking about is who makes his team the best team he can ice. Puljujarvi and McLeod's production has been disappointing this year, but they're better than all of Foegele, Shore and Janmark, so there isn't much of a choice there unless someone is hurt. Ice the best lineup you can. Full stop. Even if players are having slumps, it doesn't actually help them to sit in the press box and watch, and it just hurts the team when you dress players who aren't contributing.

Woodcroft should have learned that the hard way last spring when he dressed Archibald in so many playoff games, just so the guy could get scored on every night and contribute zero else other than the occasional hit.

So you don't feel a coaches expectation on what should be deemed an acceptable level of play should be impacted slightly based on the salary a player makes?

My comment has nothing to do with being fiscally responsible, it has everything to do with level of play. When you make 3 mill vs let's say 1.25, in my opinion, you are being paid that much more than the 1.25 mill player because you are supposed to be a better player. You are supposed to have some combination or all of be more skilled, score more, skate better, be better defensively, play on special teams, etc. Player X supposedly does these things better than player Y so that's why he is paid more. When Player X doesn't live up to his expectation, he's not doing his job properly so there should be consequences for that.

So JP, Yamo, Foegele are being paid to do certain things at a certain level which includes scoring and the team thinks they should do those things a lot better and more often than say Janmark which is why they are compensating those 3 way more than Janmark.

I feel the issue with the Oilers is there is zero accountability on the team and this has been the case for many years with different coaches. Guys don't play up to the level they should be at and there is little to no consequences. This applies to even the top guys. Now you can't scratch McD, Leon, Nuge, Nurse but you sure as hell could sit them for a shift or 2 when they make dumbass mistakes. McD, Leon, Nuge are all playing up to expectations and even exceeding them scoring wise but defensively, they aren't.

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