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Edmonton @ Nashville (Game #33) [message #815674] |
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 HamBlaster
Messages: 989
Registered: June 2007
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Blowing games against teams they need to beat.
This is a pretender team. Nashville ends a six game winless streak... and now Dallas. Dallas is going to destroy the Oilers.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2262
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
2 Cups
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We aren’t doing anything. This team stinks. Frustrating
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Skoobz
Messages: 334
Registered: January 2006
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I need a break from the Oilers. OT is stupid, but Campbell needs to save that. Time to see if he can even do it in Bakersfield.
"[It was] really cool to throw on the Oilers gear, the gear that I want to play the rest of my life wearing. It was pretty cool to put it on. With all the history, it was a lot of fun." - Connor McDavid, July 1, 2015
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HamBlaster
Messages: 989
Registered: June 2007
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Agreed. So do I.
This squad is equal parts disappointing and mystifying.
They should be a contender now, and they look like a joke.
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
2 Cups
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| Skoobz wrote on Mon, 19 December 2022 20:37 |
I need a break from the Oilers. OT is stupid, but Campbell needs to save that. Time to see if he can even do it in Bakersfield.
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Yup, I could see if the puck was roofed, but you can't have your glove right there and have that get by your glove. Soup was over .900 until that OT goal though and made some big saves when the Oilers were playing super passive in the 3rd.
I can't help think that a significant shakeup is coming and probably should come, I probably wouldn't blink too hard if some D prospects or even on or 2 that dress went, plus a couple wingers, plus picks. The big holes are on D, and they could use a winger.
If they can't manage bad and mediocre teams, I don't see much changing against a good team like Dallas. If Woodcroft is asking them to play differently given their glaring weaknesses, it's hard to see that materializing on the ice.
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Hemmer2Eberle
Messages: 73
Registered: March 2010
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
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Correct me if I am wrong... But that's 3 losses in a row now to below .500 teams? Good stuff.
This team is putrid.
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Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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That was a lot of ugly hockey. Maybe ice was crap to help? But both teams looked like gangs of klutzes tonight. Yay for more Bettman points!
0 Drai points vs Nashville. He appeared to be testing how little effort he needed to put in to cancel out his dominance of the preds. Great success!!!
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
2 Cups
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| Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 December 2022 20:38 |
That was a lot of ugly hockey. Maybe ice was crap to help? But both teams looked like gangs of klutzes tonight. Yay for more Bettman points!
0 Drai points vs Nashville. He appeared to be testing how little effort he needed to put in to cancel out his dominance of the preds. Great success!!!
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For the love of God make that guy center a line that doesn't have 97 on it, make that guy skate. Leon was a static giveaway machine again for most of his minutes tonight.
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watchman
Messages: 1412
Registered: October 2019
Location: River City
1 Cup
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IMHO the OIL couldn't outscore Campbell. The team at least got the loser point. They haven't done that very much (at all?) this year.
sigh 
...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).
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HamBlaster
Messages: 989
Registered: June 2007
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Campbell wasn't the problem in this one really...
It sounded like (over the radio) that the Oil were leaking Grade A opportunities yet again.
This is another non-playoff Oilers team again.
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7803
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
6 Cups
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| HamBlaster wrote on Mon, 19 December 2022 20:47 |
Campbell wasn't the problem in this one really...
It sounded like (over the radio) that the Oil were leaking Grade A opportunities yet again.
This is another non-playoff Oilers team again.
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The Oilers could not break the Preds cycle for long stretches in the third. I thought they were lucky to force overtime.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Mike
Messages: 1397
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
1 Cup
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Another 4 goal sub .900 performance by Campbell. That OT goal should be stopped. The 2nd goal by Gross was gross. Send him on a conditioning stint.
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kungpaobenji27
Messages: 340
Registered: August 2003
Location: Irving, Texas
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Not the best effort from #29.....
Getting a point is a blessing for how many scoring opportunities the Preds had.....with insane traffic in front of Campbell all night....
Let's get the traveling team fathers 2 points Wed night in Dallas as I'll be in attendance too
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
2 Cups
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This team as a whole relies too much on 2 players. The coach relies too much on 2 players. This team as a whole is NOT improving.
They will go off now and win 4 in a row and feel confident and fantastic about themselves. Then go 2-7-1.
It’s really gotten old. This team isn’t built good enough. Managed good enough. Or coached good enough. Third round? Not with this D and goaltending. What a bloody waste of talent.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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Hemmer2Eberle
Messages: 73
Registered: March 2010
Location: St. Albert, Alberta
No Cups
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We are going to lose the world's best hockey player, due to mismanagement.
It's going to be a sad day, but he deserves better.
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Babaganoosh2.0
Messages: 396
Registered: December 2018
Location: Southern AB
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Seems to me the coach is being tuned out. He must be preaching this stuff till he is blue in the face but players are playing like they don't care. Starting to wonder if Woodcrofts magic is starting to wear off. Maybe we need a coach willing to be an arsehole and bench people instead of being their buddy all the time. Just my thoughts.
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RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
Registered: January 2016
3 Cups
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I shouldn't be surprised but I am with the Campbell hate here. People seriously think he should have stopped the OT winner?
An absolutely horrendous line change as 2 Oilers decide it's a great time to change as the Preds are firing the puck up the ice. What's worse is Yamo who was the pressure guy on the puck decides it's time to change them leisurely strolls to the bench. So they instantly created a 2 on 1 from the freaking center line. Then the goal scorer is allowed to walk in to the inside hash marks, pick his spot and rip it and people expect ANY goalie to stop that!! If an NHLer with all the time in the world can't beat a goalie from that spot 100 times out of 100, then he shouldn't be in the NHL. I thought Campbell was the main reason they got a point last night.
I thought Leon was awful last night.
I thought the Kulak and Barrie pairing was good but the other 2 were lousy. Bouchard was brutal again. His defensive awareness is beyond bad right now and the Niemo - Bouchard pairing was a nightmare. It seems it's a competition between Bouchard and Nurse to see who can have the worst give away.
They just continue to make 5 star mistakes that always end up in their net. The other teams don't have to generate a lot of offence on their own. All they have to do is sit back and wait for an Oiler to do something stupid and turn the puck over. Try for a cross ice pass that has to get through 2-3 defenders but if it connects, oohh baby!. Trying soft backhand passes with a defender right beside you. Firing it blindly up the wall, trying to deke though 2, 3, 4 guys on line changes. If there is a stupid low percentage, high danger play to be done vs doing the boring, safe, won't make a highlight reel play, the Oilers will default to the high danger play every time.
[Updated on: Tue, 20 December 2022 08:40]
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Kr55
Messages: 10770
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
6 Cups
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 20 December 2022 08:35 |
I shouldn't be surprised but I am with the Campbell hate here. People seriously think he should have stopped the OT winner?
An absolutely horrendous line change as 2 Oilers decide it's a great time to change as the Preds are firing the puck up the ice. What's worse is Yamo who was the pressure guy on the puck decides it's time to change them leisurely strolls to the bench. So they instantly created a 2 on 1 from the freaking center line. Then the goal scorer is allowed to walk in to the inside hash marks, pick his spot and rip it and people expect ANY goalie to stop that!! If an NHLer with all the time in the world can't beat a goalie from that spot 100 times out of 100, then he shouldn't be in the NHL. I thought Campbell was the main reason they got a point last night.
I thought Leon was awful last night.
I thought the Kulak and Barrie pairing was good but the other 2 were lousy. Bouchard was brutal again. His defensive awareness is beyond bad right now and the Niemo - Bouchard pairing was a nightmare. It seems it's a competition between Bouchard and Nurse to see who can have the worst give away.
They just continue to make 5 star mistakes that always end up in their net. The other teams don't have to generate a lot of offence on their own. All they have to do is sit back and wait for an Oiler to do something stupid and turn the puck over. Try for a cross ice pass that has to get through 2-3 defenders but if it connects, oohh baby!. Trying soft backhand passes with a defender right beside you. Firing it blindly up the wall, trying to deke though 2, 3, 4 guys on line changes. If there is a stupid low percentage, high danger play to be done vs doing the boring, safe, won't make a highlight reel play, the Oilers will default to the high danger play every time.
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I never know what to think anymore with Campbell. He's got that low confidence shrunken crouched over butterfly where he makes his 6'3 frame look like he's 5'2, so shooters might be seeing lots of room up high all the time on him. Seen many Oilers goalies play like he is now. Wish I had confidence this org had a goalie coach that could help him get out of it, but I think it's 100% on him to figure it out. The skaters in front of him sure as hell won't be helping either.
Better game from him regardless. That was such sloppy hockey, from both teams. We get smoked by most teams in this league if we played that same quality game against them.
[Updated on: Tue, 20 December 2022 09:28]
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
2 Cups
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 20 December 2022 08:35 |
I shouldn't be surprised but I am with the Campbell hate here. People seriously think he should have stopped the OT winner?
An absolutely horrendous line change as 2 Oilers decide it's a great time to change as the Preds are firing the puck up the ice. What's worse is Yamo who was the pressure guy on the puck decides it's time to change them leisurely strolls to the bench. So they instantly created a 2 on 1 from the freaking center line. Then the goal scorer is allowed to walk in to the inside hash marks, pick his spot and rip it and people expect ANY goalie to stop that!! If an NHLer with all the time in the world can't beat a goalie from that spot 100 times out of 100, then he shouldn't be in the NHL. I thought Campbell was the main reason they got a point last night.
I thought Leon was awful last night.
I thought the Kulak and Barrie pairing was good but the other 2 were lousy. Bouchard was brutal again. His defensive awareness is beyond bad right now and the Niemo - Bouchard pairing was a nightmare. It seems it's a competition between Bouchard and Nurse to see who can have the worst give away.
They just continue to make 5 star mistakes that always end up in their net. The other teams don't have to generate a lot of offence on their own. All they have to do is sit back and wait for an Oiler to do something stupid and turn the puck over. Try for a cross ice pass that has to get through 2-3 defenders but if it connects, oohh baby!. Trying soft backhand passes with a defender right beside you. Firing it blindly up the wall, trying to deke though 2, 3, 4 guys on line changes. If there is a stupid low percentage, high danger play to be done vs doing the boring, safe, won't make a highlight reel play, the Oilers will default to the high danger play every time.
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Yeah on that last play Yams could have kept on the last guy back to allow the Nuge change and maybe thwart the stretch pass off the boards, Nuge maybe doesn't change and stays with that other guy guy, and Carrier tried his best to hit Campbell's glove but missed. OT is usually won on an error and there were 3 on that sequence. I wish Campbell's glove was hit with the puck, but mid-low glove seems to be the place to shoot, among other places.
Nurse got away with a huge giveaway in the 3rd.
Leon doesn't move around much with the puck when Connor's on the ice, that should be clear to anyone. If Leon is on the RH boards down to the corner and static, if you focus on him defensively sometimes a pass gets through but most times the play dies and you get the puck back. Make Leon the main guy on his own line and make him move more.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2262
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
2 Cups
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Just have to beat Dallas now
No problem…
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Dragon_Matt
Messages: 766
Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton
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I think the Oil need to make a more balanced lineup from line 1 to 4 and spread out the minutes. If Leon's hurt or tired, he needs to play less. By all means, load up our PP, but we need to be more effective from top to bottom.
If other teams are able to effectively counter our top line, as they appear to be since we suck 5v5, our 3rd and 4th need to be able to outscore theirs.
I've long beleived you're better served by essentially creating 3 versions of line 2 and 1 version of line 3 instead of 1,2,3 and 4.
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Adam
Messages: 7176
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
6 Cups
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 20 December 2022 11:28 |
I think the Oil need to make a more balanced lineup from line 1 to 4 and spread out the minutes. If Leon's hurt or tired, he needs to play less. By all means, load up our PP, but we need to be more effective from top to bottom.
If other teams are able to effectively counter our top line, as they appear to be since we suck 5v5, our 3rd and 4th need to be able to outscore theirs.
I've long beleived you're better served by essentially creating 3 versions of line 2 and 1 version of line 3 instead of 1,2,3 and 4.
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Certainly, this is how the Penguins rolled with Crosby & Malkin for all those years. They didn't play together, and they forced other teams to contend with two superstars on their own. On powerplays they team up, and every so often after an icing they jump on to the ice together to chew up a tired line.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
Registered: January 2016
3 Cups
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 20 December 2022 11:28 |
I think the Oil need to make a more balanced lineup from line 1 to 4 and spread out the minutes. If Leon's hurt or tired, he needs to play less. By all means, load up our PP, but we need to be more effective from top to bottom.
If other teams are able to effectively counter our top line, as they appear to be since we suck 5v5, our 3rd and 4th need to be able to outscore theirs.
I've long beleived you're better served by essentially creating 3 versions of line 2 and 1 version of line 3 instead of 1,2,3 and 4.
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I agree. While I see the appeal of McD and Leon being on the same line because they can do some fantastic things, if you are going to load them up, they have to score every game. They have to immediately tilt the ice and dominate when they are out there and they can't be poor defensively. They can't be getting hemmed in their own zone like they do and they can't give up as many goals as they do. Even when they are full strength, you have already diluted your lines with them together, when they give up goals against, it makes it even worse.
I would have these lines next game.
Foegele - McD - Hyman - Hyman and McD work well together. Foegele is there to drive the net, screen goalies, forecheck hard.
Holloway - Leon - Yamo - Leon likes playing with Yamo. Holloway provides speed for Leon especially if he is not 100% physically.
Janmark - Nuge - JP - This line should be OK defensively and in theory they should have more talent than most other teams lines in Nuge and JP. Plus without McLeod, they really need a 3rd line center that they trust so they can play the 3rd line more rather than playing the crap out of the top 6.
Kostin - Shore/Ryan - Shore/Ryan - I have Shore and Ryan split center duties taking faceoffs on their strong side.
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Dragon_Matt
Messages: 766
Registered: January 2009
Location: edmonton
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Another perk to balancing out the lines, when you eventually do power upto mcd/drai, the other team will likely not have a loaded up line against them. More likely they tilt the ice when they get out.
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RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
Registered: January 2016
3 Cups
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2022 10:17 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 20 December 2022 08:35 |
I shouldn't be surprised but I am with the Campbell hate here. People seriously think he should have stopped the OT winner?
An absolutely horrendous line change as 2 Oilers decide it's a great time to change as the Preds are firing the puck up the ice. What's worse is Yamo who was the pressure guy on the puck decides it's time to change them leisurely strolls to the bench. So they instantly created a 2 on 1 from the freaking center line. Then the goal scorer is allowed to walk in to the inside hash marks, pick his spot and rip it and people expect ANY goalie to stop that!! If an NHLer with all the time in the world can't beat a goalie from that spot 100 times out of 100, then he shouldn't be in the NHL. I thought Campbell was the main reason they got a point last night.
I thought Leon was awful last night.
I thought the Kulak and Barrie pairing was good but the other 2 were lousy. Bouchard was brutal again. His defensive awareness is beyond bad right now and the Niemo - Bouchard pairing was a nightmare. It seems it's a competition between Bouchard and Nurse to see who can have the worst give away.
They just continue to make 5 star mistakes that always end up in their net. The other teams don't have to generate a lot of offence on their own. All they have to do is sit back and wait for an Oiler to do something stupid and turn the puck over. Try for a cross ice pass that has to get through 2-3 defenders but if it connects, oohh baby!. Trying soft backhand passes with a defender right beside you. Firing it blindly up the wall, trying to deke though 2, 3, 4 guys on line changes. If there is a stupid low percentage, high danger play to be done vs doing the boring, safe, won't make a highlight reel play, the Oilers will default to the high danger play every time.
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Yeah on that last play Yams could have kept on the last guy back to allow the Nuge change and maybe thwart the stretch pass off the boards, Nuge maybe doesn't change and stays with that other guy guy, and Carrier tried his best to hit Campbell's glove but missed. OT is usually won on an error and there were 3 on that sequence. I wish Campbell's glove was hit with the puck, but mid-low glove seems to be the place to shoot, among other places.
Nurse got away with a huge giveaway in the 3rd.
Leon doesn't move around much with the puck when Connor's on the ice, that should be clear to anyone. If Leon is on the RH boards down to the corner and static, if you focus on him defensively sometimes a pass gets through but most times the play dies and you get the puck back. Make Leon the main guy on his own line and make him move more.
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For me, when an NHLer is able to shoot from where Carrier was with no one even hurrying him in the slightest, that should be an automatic goal. The only way the goalie saves it is if he missed his shot. He went right inside the far post.
The mental mistakes this team does especially by vet players makes me want to pull my hair out. I can excuse Yamo changing a bit because he was down in the far end, the Preds guy behind the net so that guy was out of the play but Nuge's change, inexcusable. 3 on 3 OT is all about creating 2 on 1's. Nuge gave the Preds an easy 2 on 1 by choice.
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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And yet a guy shooting from the circle is not an automatic goal, and my guess is the success rate might be less than half given posts and missing nets. There were 2 failures on that change leading up, but that ain't a guaranteed goal, especially given where it went in.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2262
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
2 Cups
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Knowing this team they will somehow beat dallas
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