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St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #31) [message #815507] |
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 nullterm
Messages: 1034
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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Nurse has no brain. A ton of athletic ability. But not a lick of hockey sense.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
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What a crock of crud.
Good pod/radio/tv fodder.
Remember it. Get angry. Move past it.
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kungpaobenji27
Messages: 340
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Location: Irving, Texas
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Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory....only to get their first loser pt of the year....
Learn from it...move onto a new set of big games...
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Mike
Messages: 1397
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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Up a goal, on the PP with under 30 seconds to go? Doesn’t get a lot more airtight than that. Or I thought anyway.
Tough point to give away.
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K.McC#24
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Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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That was a turd of a collapse in the 3rd. Not terribly played by most of the Oilers, we've seen tough plays by D that have affected the game negatively before, but you just can't have this game from Darnell Nurse. That first GA sure, he's human, but you cannot have your head in your arse late in the game for the GTG.
The big line has to be much better in their own zone. They weren't very good tonight.
You just have to beat a team that made the mistakes St. Louis did, and you can't make the errors that got this to OT.
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
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It bothers me a lot that on the biggest stage Makar is on side, but McDavid in game 31 of the regular season is offside.
In the past I would’ve agreed with the call tonight, but last years playoffs changed the landscape.
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Hemmer2Eberle
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Location: St. Albert, Alberta
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 15 December 2022 21:57 |
That was a turd of a collapse in the 3rd. Not terribly played by most of the Oilers, we've seen tough plays by D that have affected the game negatively before, but you just can't have this game from Darnell Nurse. That first GA sure, he's human, but you cannot have your head in your arse late in the game for the GTG.
The big line has to be much better in their own zone. They weren't very good tonight.
You just have to beat a team that made the mistakes St. Louis did, and you can't make the errors that got this to OT.
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Nurse has played like a $9 defenseman all season. We got some tough years ahead of us because of that horrific contract.
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
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Location: ALBERTA
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Just once I'd like to see him bear down and take it to the net after a zone entry with some room instead of the inevitable lackadaisical writer than usually misses the net.
Buddy, you're on a big contract now, expectations are high.
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g2k
Messages: 2841
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
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McDavid just earned himself another couple seasons of infractions not called against him with his post game interview.
It needed to be said.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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Kr55
Messages: 10780
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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He seems worse this year. All our D do. Is it crazy to question what Coffey is doing to our D to earn the $1M salary or whatever he managed to scam Katz for?
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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watchman
Messages: 1422
Registered: October 2019
Location: River City
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...and I forgot to mention Nursey. An assist on the first BLUES goal.
...and I didn't see what he did to conribute to the tieing goal as I thought the game was in the bag and I was on the way home. 
...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).
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watchman
Messages: 1422
Registered: October 2019
Location: River City
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Ha... is it too much to expect your team to hold on to a lead with 90 seconds to go AND a man advantage? sorry...
As for leaving early... I'm in the upper bowl where it is madness to get out at the best of times. The concourse width up there is crushingly proportioned, despite it being a new building. It is not fan friendly at all, despite what you may hear from the media. There are only two real ways to get out from up there...
Some people like to be crushed I guess. Not me.
...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).
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He shouldn't have say this crap if #25 could even play solid bantam level hockey.
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
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You are correct assuming we should close tgat our, but what about games where we make a comeback. I’ve seen some amazing moments with not much left on the clock.
I wait 5 minutes in my seats after a game and then 15-20 on the concourse. It’s a late night anyways. Screw it. 20 minutes earlier won’t make me more refreshed in the morning especially when I know I’m going to be battling jerk off drivers right after the game.
To each their own. I’m old and Ferris got it right, “Life goes by pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it."
Either way, I hope you had fun. Going to a game is always an experience. On to the Ducks. The Pacific leaders are coming back to the pack. Should be an interesting 2023.
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
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That was solid Bantam hockey against an NHL team. You might want to revisit your standards.
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HamBlaster
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Registered: June 2007
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LOLOLOLOLOL...
This is so #Oilers... didn't watch the game, however read the summary on TSN. Saw that the Blues scored a shorty with 20 seconds left to take it to OT.
What in the actual.......?
This team WILL NOT CONTEND if they continue to be braindead as hell like this. Great work guys... managed to take a clear win and turn it into an abysmal loss.
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Skookum Jim
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Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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PVR'd it.. didn't watch .. saw the highlights.. up by a goal.. 20 sec left.. on the POWER PLAY ..
The stage is now set..
Like it was part of a script (likely a comedy) Nurse coughs it up on cue.. unforced.. THEN he stands around like he's waiting for a bus.. he puck watches.. while the best sniper on St. Louis is waiting WIDE open in front of the net behind him.. never bothers to look around him for an open man.. then flops to the ice after the fact.. no smarts.. no awareness... at least he has consistency.. same mistakes keep happening game in game out.. year after year.. coach after coach..
Is this guy un-coachable?
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
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| clutchlikeeberle wrote on Thu, 15 December 2022 21:36 |
He shouldn't have say this crap if #25 could even play solid bantam level hockey.
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Agree.. Nurse's dopey play cost McDavid an upcoming fine from NHL Corp.. wouldn't be surprised if the NHL throws the book at him.. you know, just to prove "they don't play favourites".. 
Absolute joke of a league.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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nullterm
Messages: 1034
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 15 December 2022 23:17 |
PVR'd it.. didn't watch .. saw the highlights.. up by a goal.. 20 sec left.. on the POWER PLAY ..
The stage is now set..
Like it was part of a script (likely a comedy) Nurse coughs it up on cue.. unforced.. THEN he stands around like he's waiting for a bus.. he puck watches.. while the best sniper on St. Louis is waiting WIDE open in front of the net behind him.. never bothers to look around him for an open man.. then flops to the ice after the fact.. no smarts.. no awareness... at least he has consistency.. same mistakes keep happening game in game out.. year after year.. coach after coach..
Is this guy un-coachable?
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We need to do a reverse Brent Burns, convert a Dman to a forward. He's got all the athletic attributes to make a good winger. And none of the hockey sense to be a Dman.
His speed and power have carried him far, but now that he's up against guys that are almost as quick, and can think quicker... he's getting exposed. He 100% needs to simplify his game and stick to hockey 101 bantam plays.
At the very least Woodcroft needs to press box him so he wakes up and starts paying attention to his role, rather than trying to jump the gun and make an idiotic hail mary when we don't need one.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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HamBlaster
Messages: 989
Registered: June 2007
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Nurse is awesome. Just so reliable back there.
Totally worth the money... 🤮
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| nullterm wrote on Thu, 15 December 2022 23:38 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 15 December 2022 23:17 |
PVR'd it.. didn't watch .. saw the highlights.. up by a goal.. 20 sec left.. on the POWER PLAY ..
The stage is now set..
Like it was part of a script (likely a comedy) Nurse coughs it up on cue.. unforced.. THEN he stands around like he's waiting for a bus.. he puck watches.. while the best sniper on St. Louis is waiting WIDE open in front of the net behind him.. never bothers to look around him for an open man.. then flops to the ice after the fact.. no smarts.. no awareness... at least he has consistency.. same mistakes keep happening game in game out.. year after year.. coach after coach..
Is this guy un-coachable?
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We need to do a reverse Brent Burns, convert a Dman to a forward. He's got all the athletic attributes to make a good winger. And none of the hockey sense to be a Dman.
His speed and power have carried him far, but now that he's up against guys that are almost as quick, and can think quicker... he's getting exposed. He 100% needs to simplify his game and stick to hockey 101 bantam plays.
At the very least Woodcroft needs to press box him so he wakes up and starts paying attention to his role, rather than trying to jump the gun and make an idiotic hail mary when we don't need one.
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I replayed the goals on the PVR afterwards.. the 1st goal against was mostly Nurse as well.. too slow skating back to the puck.. like he thinks he's in control and has lots of time (a bad habit).. decides to let the St. Louis winger come to him like he intends to freeze the puck .. or something (didn't look like Nurse even knew what he wanted to do) .. but instead the winger just takes the puck away from him without much effort.. and its out to Kyrue for a top corner snipe..
Decision making.
He's got the physical tools of an NHL defencemen, but decision making is not.
[Updated on: Fri, 16 December 2022 03:50]
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
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Location: Burnaby, BC
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McDavid's comments..
https://twitter.com/zjlaing/status/1603617245795856384
".. not understanding some of the rules of our own game.. its kind of funny .. I guess.."
Basically.. how the F are we as players in a professional sports league .. expected to play to a set of league rules.. when the people enforcing the rules don't even understand the F'n rules themselves..
[Updated on: Fri, 16 December 2022 03:47]
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Please refer to my thread from couple months ago.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2266
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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Live by Nurse die by Nurse. He will never get it together. He can be an exceptional player at the best of times but he will never stop with the insane errors and mental mistakes on the ice. He’s a player that can’t seem to make quick decisions. It’s frustrating and cost us the game. It is what it is
Also, not that this game is Skinners fault at all, but he needs to work on his glove side. Pretty sure he was beat all game through his glove hand
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JPro
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Oh darn that ends the streak of no Bettman points. Now everyone in the league has at least one.
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RDOilerfan
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I wasn't able to watch any of the game, just listened to the last part of the 3rd. Pretty disappointing. It doesn't fix the obvious extremely costly mistake by Nurse but I appreciate he owned it and I appreciate that the coach called attention to it.
The OT goal called back. I don't know what to say anymore about this league. It's just sooooo inconsistent. I just think back to the Makar goal in the playoffs where there was literally a Avs player 3 or 4 FEET inside the blueline before the puck came in, they called that a good goal part of the argument being "it's Markar, he's awesome, look at the play he made". Then last night they say of all people McD put himself offside because he didn't have complete control of the puck. He made move instantly after with the puck but for a billionth of a second he lost control I guess. Sure, whatever you say. It shouldn't have went to OT anyway but still pretty frustrating.
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tardigrade81
Messages: 2266
Registered: November 2022
Location: Regina, Saskatchewan
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These calls are ruining the game. It’s just insane at this point.
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Kr55
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Location: Edmonton
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 08:51 |
I wasn't able to watch any of the game, just listened to the last part of the 3rd. Pretty disappointing. It doesn't fix the obvious extremely costly mistake by Nurse but I appreciate he owned it and I appreciate that the coach called attention to it.
The OT goal called back. I don't know what to say anymore about this league. It's just sooooo inconsistent. I just think back to the Makar goal in the playoffs where there was literally a Avs player 3 or 4 FEET inside the blueline before the puck came in, they called that a good goal part of the argument being "it's Markar, he's awesome, look at the play he made". Then last night they say of all people McD put himself offside because he didn't have complete control of the puck. He made move instantly after with the puck but for a billionth of a second he lost control I guess. Sure, whatever you say. It shouldn't have went to OT anyway but still pretty frustrating.
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I guess in both of those cases they are interpreting "possession" the same way. That it only counts if you are touching the puck. So I guess they better properly define possession as something that only exists in the microseconds the puck is touching your stick and just run with that.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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RDOilerfan
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 10:28 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 08:51 |
I wasn't able to watch any of the game, just listened to the last part of the 3rd. Pretty disappointing. It doesn't fix the obvious extremely costly mistake by Nurse but I appreciate he owned it and I appreciate that the coach called attention to it.
The OT goal called back. I don't know what to say anymore about this league. It's just sooooo inconsistent. I just think back to the Makar goal in the playoffs where there was literally a Avs player 3 or 4 FEET inside the blueline before the puck came in, they called that a good goal part of the argument being "it's Markar, he's awesome, look at the play he made". Then last night they say of all people McD put himself offside because he didn't have complete control of the puck. He made move instantly after with the puck but for a billionth of a second he lost control I guess. Sure, whatever you say. It shouldn't have went to OT anyway but still pretty frustrating.
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I guess in both of those cases they are interpreting "possession" the same way. That it only counts if you are touching the puck. So I guess they better properly define possession as something that only exists in the microseconds the puck is touching your stick and just run with that.
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It's one thing if the fan watching in the stadium or at home don't fully understand how the rules work but it's another if the players, especially players like McD, throw up their hands and say they don't know what the rule is anymore. Of all the people who know the rules and the game in and out, it will be the players. So if these guys don't know what is what anymore, that's a big freaking problem and they need to do something about it.
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CrusaderPi
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 10:38 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 10:28 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 08:51 |
I wasn't able to watch any of the game, just listened to the last part of the 3rd. Pretty disappointing. It doesn't fix the obvious extremely costly mistake by Nurse but I appreciate he owned it and I appreciate that the coach called attention to it.
The OT goal called back. I don't know what to say anymore about this league. It's just sooooo inconsistent. I just think back to the Makar goal in the playoffs where there was literally a Avs player 3 or 4 FEET inside the blueline before the puck came in, they called that a good goal part of the argument being "it's Markar, he's awesome, look at the play he made". Then last night they say of all people McD put himself offside because he didn't have complete control of the puck. He made move instantly after with the puck but for a billionth of a second he lost control I guess. Sure, whatever you say. It shouldn't have went to OT anyway but still pretty frustrating.
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I guess in both of those cases they are interpreting "possession" the same way. That it only counts if you are touching the puck. So I guess they better properly define possession as something that only exists in the microseconds the puck is touching your stick and just run with that.
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It's one thing if the fan watching in the stadium or at home don't fully understand how the rules work but it's another if the players, especially players like McD, throw up their hands and say they don't know what the rule is anymore. Of all the people who know the rules and the game in and out, it will be the players. So if these guys don't know what is what anymore, that's a big freaking problem and they need to do something about it.
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Players tend to have something of an ingrained bias when interpreting rules, assuming they know them. McDavid might think he has possession of a puck, but thinking that doesn't count for a whole lot when people are reviewing the tape. Now, I think McDavid had possession of the puck, but only because I assume whatever McDavid does on a hockey rink is intentional. Sadly, that also doesn't count for a whole lot when people are reviewing the tape. If that play was done by any other player it would have looked an awful lot like a chip and chase.
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RDOilerfan
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 10:42 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 10:38 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 10:28 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 08:51 |
I wasn't able to watch any of the game, just listened to the last part of the 3rd. Pretty disappointing. It doesn't fix the obvious extremely costly mistake by Nurse but I appreciate he owned it and I appreciate that the coach called attention to it.
The OT goal called back. I don't know what to say anymore about this league. It's just sooooo inconsistent. I just think back to the Makar goal in the playoffs where there was literally a Avs player 3 or 4 FEET inside the blueline before the puck came in, they called that a good goal part of the argument being "it's Markar, he's awesome, look at the play he made". Then last night they say of all people McD put himself offside because he didn't have complete control of the puck. He made move instantly after with the puck but for a billionth of a second he lost control I guess. Sure, whatever you say. It shouldn't have went to OT anyway but still pretty frustrating.
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I guess in both of those cases they are interpreting "possession" the same way. That it only counts if you are touching the puck. So I guess they better properly define possession as something that only exists in the microseconds the puck is touching your stick and just run with that.
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It's one thing if the fan watching in the stadium or at home don't fully understand how the rules work but it's another if the players, especially players like McD, throw up their hands and say they don't know what the rule is anymore. Of all the people who know the rules and the game in and out, it will be the players. So if these guys don't know what is what anymore, that's a big freaking problem and they need to do something about it.
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Players tend to have something of an ingrained bias when interpreting rules, assuming they know them. McDavid might think he has possession of a puck, but thinking that doesn't count for a whole lot when people are reviewing the tape. Now, I think McDavid had possession of the puck, but only because I assume whatever McDavid does on a hockey rink is intentional. Sadly, that also doesn't count for a whole lot when people are reviewing the tape. If that play was done by any other player it would have looked an awful lot like a chip and chase.
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Well then they need to write the rules so they take away as much interpretation as possible. How can they call off McD's goal but call what Skookum posted that is on twitter a good goal? The guy literally dropped the puck back over the blueline for his own guy. The standard that the league supposedly has that can almost change shift to shift makes it pretty obvious they are just making it up as they go.
What bothers me even more is the league called in for it! The Blues didn't see it as a problem and thought it was onside which I assume they have a guy just like the Oilers who's job it is during the game to watch video and look for challenges. So the Blues thought it was good and followed the rules but the league steps in and say, nope, you guys are wrong.
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kungpaobenji27
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| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 15 December 2022 23:05 |
He seems worse this year. All our D do. Is it crazy to question what Coffey is doing to our D to earn the $1M salary or whatever he managed to scam Katz for?
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I'm starting to sour on the Nurse & Ceci pairing....not so much as the two of them as players...but more from a coaching perspective.
I've always found #25 to function more effectively as a shutdown guy when he he isn't having to carry the load as THE two way dman on a pairing...maybe pair him with Bouchard/Barrie and have Ceci being the responsible shutdown mentor with Broberg on his left?
Just simple adjustments like that por favor...
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CrusaderPi
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| kungpaobenji27 wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 11:22 |
| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 15 December 2022 23:05 |
He seems worse this year. All our D do. Is it crazy to question what Coffey is doing to our D to earn the $1M salary or whatever he managed to scam Katz for?
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I'm starting to sour on the Nurse & Ceci pairing....not so much as the two of them as players...but more from a coaching perspective.
I've always found #25 to function more effectively as a shutdown guy when he he isn't having to carry the load as THE two way dman on a pairing...maybe pair him with Bouchard/Barrie and have Ceci being the responsible shutdown mentor with Broberg on his left?
Just simple adjustments like that por favor...
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At this point, it couldn't hurt to try. Also maybe a few less minutes per game. Maybe
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Skookum Jim
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Oh.. and ANOTHER thing.. I didn't realize it when I watched the replay on the OT goal.. it was freaking TORONTO that called the rink to intervene to insist on the offside review.. has that ever happened for an offside? .. looks like a case of the Toronto goofs getting bored sitting in their box all night and decided to do the mental gymnastics to contort an explanation into fitting an offside call.. and determine the outcome of a game..
McDavid had clear possession crossing the line and never lost it, he took his stick off the puck for an instant so that O'Reilly's stick check didn't get transmitted to the puck.. but he was always in control of the puck.. Game was over.
NHL doing what the NHL does.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 December 2022 10:03 |
.. What bothers me even more is the league called in for it! The Blues didn't see it as a problem and thought it was onside which I assume they have a guy just like the Oilers who's job it is during the game to watch video and look for challenges. So the Blues thought it was good and followed the rules but the league steps in and say, nope, you guys are wrong.
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This is actually the worst part.. refs called it right.. Blues thought it was on-side.. fans thought it was on-side.. some clowns sitting in a booth in Toronto thought they'd get creative.. just to show off?
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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