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Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #9) [message #813251] |
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 Suomalainen
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO
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That felt good. Thank you Stu
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Ragnarok73
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Payback feels good, boys.
"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.
5-14-6-1
"Sabres think the suck is their ally? They merely adopted the suck. The Oilers were born in it...molded by it."
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Kr55
Messages: 10782
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Dang, Skinner. Welcome to the starting job man.
Another satisfying victory.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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Beautiful..
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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I had Singher and DeBrusk on mute the whole game.. think its my good luck charm now! 😊👍🏻☘
Great game by the mule Skinner..
McDavid in on ALL 3 goals.. he's a Beast from Outer Space.. amazing.. again.. should have had a few more points if the other guys could finish.. notice how Hyman didn't even get the puck in with his stick.. McDavid just bounced it off his skate into the goal.. just like Gretzky did with Lumley..
Lots a yips on the defense still.. but big improvement from the 1st game vs. the Flames..
One downside.. keep waiting for Yamo to ignite and get something done.. you can survive without the offense.. but he's pretty ineffective in his own end.. cycles just keep rolling when the puck comes up the right side.. never seems to get there in time.. and/or can't win the puck and get it out of the zone.. and he never seems to manage to block any pucks.. offensively he just doesn't seem to be able to control the puck long enough to make a play.. gets pushed off too easily..
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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NetBOG
Messages: 2951
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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#IBelieveInStu
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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Clear goalie win. Skinner is the man right now, I'd say.
Oiler catch a break on a play that you just try if you're trying to score, and you're Connor McDavid. Man the Flames had the shots but the Oilers had some grade A chances. Nuge had at minimum 3. Hyman....jaysus another difference maker.
Bouchard with a strong game, I thought. 80 (MN...I'm not spelling it after a couple pops) and Barry were leaking chances, when Calgary had chaos going in the Oilers' end, they seemed to be back there. Skinner had the answers, though.
Khadri and Huberdeau non factors in the end, under 16 min and under 17 min toi respectively.
4 straight, this team is working hard, and that's a good thing.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| NetBOG wrote on Sat, 29 October 2022 22:00 |
#IBelieveInStu
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.. McGregor?
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 29 October 2022 23:00 |
I had Singher and DeBrusk on mute the whole game..
Great game by the mule Skinner..
Lots a yips on the defense still.. but big improvement from the 1st game vs. the Flames..
One downside.. keep waiting for Yamo to ignite and get something done.. you can survive without the offense.. but he's pretty ineffective in his own end.. cycles just keep rolling when the puck comes up the right side.. never seems to get there in time.. and/or can't win the puck and get it out of the zone.. and he never seems to manage to block any pucks.. offensively he just doesn't seem to be able to control the puck long enough to make a play.. gets pushed off too easily..
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That line was off on their passing and the cycle tonight, I thought. Not their best night. I agree, Yams has to get something going there.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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Also.. fun to watch Bouchard have a couple out-of-body experiences going end to end.. good signs.. getting some confidence..
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Leia
Messages: 410
Registered: May 2003
Location: England
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We lack cohesion in the attacking zone most of the game, the little time we had any we kept the zone and pressured the Flames net.
Holloway did OK on his return, but he needs to get his goal soon or else it will start to become a thing. Yammo's hands seemed to be a bit heavy tonight, again he could do with a bit of a streak to free him up a bit.
Very minor issues, but we dug in, won the game without playing well which is always a good sign. Just keep on going now.....
Take me home, country road
to the place where I belong
to Alberta, to see the Oilers
take me home, country road
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WhoreableGuy
Messages: 592
Registered: August 2006
Location: Calgary
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 29 October 2022 23:04 |
| NetBOG wrote on Sat, 29 October 2022 22:00 |
#IBelieveInStu
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.. McGregor?
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First name that popped in my head… 
"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"
- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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and another thing... Is it just me or does Noogie put most of his shots top corner blocker now?
The last few years he's been a disappointment with his goal scoring.. lots of chances but just a muffin of a shot that always seemed to be labeled dead center on the Goalie.. and it hasn't improved.. it was frustrating.. I kept thinking why don't the pros just shoot a 100 pucks a day in the off-season at shooter-tutor just top corners.. so its instinctive and a natural reaction .. no need to think about it..
Nuge said he was working on his shoot this summer, looks like it might've been shot location as well as shot mechanics., he's looks like more of a threat now.. I think he hit another one or two cross bars again tonight?.. he's had a few this year already.. all high corner shots.. Good Times!! 
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Mike
Messages: 1397
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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That was a fun game to watch. Mcdavid decided his trophy case was missing a Richard? And I don’t know how you don’t start Skinner again. He’s been great the last 2. They might be worried about the optics of their off-season prize being the backup, but whatever - play the hot hand.
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Kr55
Messages: 10782
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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Ken Holland @FakeOilersGM
There’s no goalie controversy between Stuart Skinner and that other guy.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
Registered: January 2016
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Always satisfying to beat the Lames. Even better that the game tying goal came from the corner on what would be barely classified as a scoring chance because it's such low percentage.
It sure is nice having what looks like 2 legit good goalie options for a change.
JP looks like he has found a home on the 3rd line with McLeod and Foegele.
I am still trying to figure out why the hell the Leafs let Hyman go. The guy just works his ass off every game. He goes to the net constantly to score the dirty goals, forechecks hard, wins puck battles constantly, isn't a defensive liability. Plays on your special teams and does them well. Skates extremely well. Is a great guy in the room and a great guy off the ice. I am sure towards the end of his contract maybe he slows down a little bit with how hard he works, I am fairly confident he will still be contributing reasonably well. I get it was partly to do with the cap and I am sure they had some numbers that said if they don't him, they can replace him with player X & Y but if I was running a team, I would want as many guys like Hyman as I could get and I would figure out how to keep him.
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Adam
Messages: 7177
Registered: August 2005
Location: Edmonton, AB
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 08:04 |
Always satisfying to beat the Lames. Even better that the game tying goal came from the corner on what would be barely classified as a scoring chance because it's such low percentage.
It sure is nice having what looks like 2 legit good goalie options for a change.
JP looks like he has found a home on the 3rd line with McLeod and Foegele.
I am still trying to figure out why the hell the Leafs let Hyman go. The guy just works his ass off every game. He goes to the net constantly to score the dirty goals, forechecks hard, wins puck battles constantly, isn't a defensive liability. Plays on your special teams and does them well. Skates extremely well. Is a great guy in the room and a great guy off the ice. I am sure towards the end of his contract maybe he slows down a little bit with how hard he works, I am fairly confident he will still be contributing reasonably well. I get it was partly to do with the cap and I am sure they had some numbers that said if they don't him, they can replace him with player X & Y but if I was running a team, I would want as many guys like Hyman as I could get and I would figure out how to keep him.
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I don't think that the Leafs had a whole lot of choice on Hyman leaving. They were up against the cap and he was going to be too expensive, so they had to hope that some of the young guys underneath had the ability to step up and replace his contributions. I think that has happened to an extent in Toronto, but Hyman has been a great addition.
It's also nice to have added someone who isn't a total jackass off the ice too...
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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RDOilerfan
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I think part of it is math whiz Dubas made a few calculation errors over the years and out smarted himself in a few areas.
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Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 09:44 |
I think part of it is math whiz Dubas made a few calculation errors over the years and out smarted himself in a few areas.
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He signed his top four forwards to really big contracts...that impacts what you have left to sign complimentary pieces.
Nylander held out. Marner pushed for the absolute most he could get. Tavares was an open-market deal, which is always going to push the numbers higher. And Matthews is one of the best players in the league. He was going to get paid very well (and will be even higher soon enough).
I think this is just the way the cap works. You can't keep everyone. For the Leafs, I don't think that they made a mistake with those four being valued above Hyman, and they had Michael Bunting put up 63 points in the #5 spot for them last year at a fraction of the cost.
There's a good chance they eventually lose Bunting too...it's how the cap is supposed to function. You can't horde good players.
I love that Hyman is here, he's been a great add. But I don't think it requires a bunch of schadenfreude towards Toronto here. That's misplaced, and the Oilers are going to have their own issues on this score as we move forward.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Dragon_Matt
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I do think he made a couple mistakes on there. I don't think you can win if you pay 4 guys top dollar. The Oilers are pretty close to being in the same problem scenario, at least we could potentially still offload Barrie and Foegle if it were required and we have McD and Drai are both discount contracts. McD, Drai and Nurse as our top paid guys, and really only Nurse got top dollar.
TO is in for a hard ride, unless they trade some expensive pieces, which they may very well have to do. Next year is the end of Matthews Nylander and Brodie's contracts.
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RDOilerfan
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 10:44 |
I do think he made a couple mistakes on there. I don't think you can win if you pay 4 guys top dollar. The Oilers are pretty close to being in the same problem scenario, at least we could potentially still offload Barrie and Foegle if it were required and we have McD and Drai are both discount contracts. McD, Drai and Nurse as our top paid guys, and really only Nurse got top dollar.
TO is in for a hard ride, unless they trade some expensive pieces, which they may very well have to do. Next year is the end of Matthews Nylander and Brodie's contracts.
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I would say paying Tavares top money and dollars to be your second line center when he wanted to come play for you to fulfill a life long dream was a mistake. He was and still is a good player but I didn't think he was worth 11 mill back in 2018 and he's definitely not worth that now. He's right now the 5th highest cap hit in the league and I never thought he wasn't a top 20 player back then and he's definitely not now.
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NZ Oiler Fan
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 13:44 |
I do think he made a couple mistakes on there. I don't think you can win if you pay 4 guys top dollar. The Oilers are pretty close to being in the same problem scenario, at least we could potentially still offload Barrie and Foegle if it were required and we have McD and Drai are both discount contracts. McD, Drai and Nurse as our top paid guys, and really only Nurse got top dollar.
TO is in for a hard ride, unless they trade some expensive pieces, which they may very well have to do. Next year is the end of Matthews Nylander and Brodie's contracts.
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When does Bouchard become a RFA? Next season? He's going to get quite the pay raise I would think.
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CrusaderPi
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 11:23 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 13:44 |
I do think he made a couple mistakes on there. I don't think you can win if you pay 4 guys top dollar. The Oilers are pretty close to being in the same problem scenario, at least we could potentially still offload Barrie and Foegle if it were required and we have McD and Drai are both discount contracts. McD, Drai and Nurse as our top paid guys, and really only Nurse got top dollar.
TO is in for a hard ride, unless they trade some expensive pieces, which they may very well have to do. Next year is the end of Matthews Nylander and Brodie's contracts.
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When does Bouchard become a RFA? Next season? He's going to get quite the pay raise I would think.
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Don't worry about it. It's fine. This is all fine. Bouchard's contract status is fine. He's a RFA after this season. So is Skinner.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4421
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Location: Burnaby, BC
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https://twitter.com/BarDown/status/1587052900576071687
lol
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 10:54 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 31 October 2022 10:44 |
I do think he made a couple mistakes on there. I don't think you can win if you pay 4 guys top dollar. The Oilers are pretty close to being in the same problem scenario, at least we could potentially still offload Barrie and Foegle if it were required and we have McD and Drai are both discount contracts. McD, Drai and Nurse as our top paid guys, and really only Nurse got top dollar.
TO is in for a hard ride, unless they trade some expensive pieces, which they may very well have to do. Next year is the end of Matthews Nylander and Brodie's contracts.
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I would say paying Tavares top money and dollars to be your second line center when he wanted to come play for you to fulfill a life long dream was a mistake. He was and still is a good player but I didn't think he was worth 11 mill back in 2018 and he's definitely not worth that now. He's right now the 5th highest cap hit in the league and I never thought he wasn't a top 20 player back then and he's definitely not now.
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That's easy to say now, but Tavares was arguably the best free agent to hit the market in the last five years. There was intense competition to sign him. He was 18th in the league in scoring the year ahead of his contract, and he's 23rd in scoring in the five years since. Yes, he's 5th highest in cap hit, but he's only making $1.5MM more than 23rd place (actually a 10-way tie for 19th, including Seth Jones and Jamie Benn).
On top of the competitive pressures of being a full-on free agent, Tavares is also buoyed slightly by having signed his deal pre-Covid. That stoppage and the resulting flat cap have cooled salary run-up in the last 2-3 years, otherwise there's a good chance he's further down the list at this point.
Honestly, the biggest mistake the Leafs made was keeping Babcock as long as they did. Had they not had him, you might have seen less of a hardline stance from all of Matthews, Marner and Nylander on their current deals. They were playing for a coach they hated, so they insisted on top dollar if they were going to submit themselves to that.
As I said before, I'm not much of one for schadenfreude on this stuff. Most people around the league will look at the Oilers upcoming cap issues in the next few years and wonder why we went as long or as high as we did for Nugent-Hopkins or Nurse or for that matter, why we've carried so much dead cap space (over $3.5MM this year including buried cap hit) in years where we could REALLY use the relief (moreso than we could have used the few draft picks it would have cost to flush that contract to someone else...)
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Dragon_Matt
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wait... we have dead cap space?
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Mike
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 01 November 2022 12:01 |
wait... we have dead cap space?
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The $2.25 we'll get back from Lucic and Sekera (stupid buyout) next year will be nice. But Neal's $2M for another 2 years really sucks though. Let's hope that was the last of those.
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Dragon_Matt
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we should just decide to 'not' have dead cap space. It's what Lou would do.
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CrusaderPi
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| Mike wrote on Tue, 01 November 2022 09:45 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 01 November 2022 12:01 |
wait... we have dead cap space?
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The $2.25 we'll get back from Lucic and Sekera (stupid buyout) next year will be nice. But Neal's $2M for another 2 years really sucks though. Let's hope that was the last of those.
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Barrie. Foegele. Yamo. Maybe Kulak in a couple years. They'll find a way. Oh! Campbell. There's your value bet.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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