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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810684 is a reply to message #810577 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 09:42

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One thing that is puzzling to me is I am starting to see people talking about bringing back Gagner. I have nothing against the guy but WHY? He's a good dude which is nice. But other than making it so some fans can pull out their old Gagner jerseys and a few others to feel good, I don't see a fit. I know he had a bounce back year for a bad Wings team which is great but he's a 4th liner on the Oilers at best.
Ideally their 4th line has guys who can forecheck a bit, maybe have a little size, maybe throw an occasional hit but most importantly skate really, be good in your know end and maybe once in a while chip in a goal but given the 4th line probably won't get a ton of ice time, scoring is probably last on that list of importance for me. Ideally the center would be a right shot who can win draws, bonus points if he kills penalties. Unless Gagner has dramatically improved, I don't think Gagner is a defensively specialist. He's never been fast, he's got a career 45.6% on drawings and at 32 is getting slower. I think he's done some PK but not a lot. He can maybe score some. So he's not checking a lot of boxes here.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810691 is a reply to message #810684 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 11:27

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 18 July 2022 09:42

One thing that is puzzling to me is I am starting to see people talking about bringing back Gagner. I have nothing against the guy but WHY? He's a good dude which is nice. But other than making it so some fans can pull out their old Gagner jerseys and a few others to feel good, I don't see a fit. I know he had a bounce back year for a bad Wings team which is great but he's a 4th liner on the Oilers at best.
Ideally their 4th line has guys who can forecheck a bit, maybe have a little size, maybe throw an occasional hit but most importantly skate really, be good in your know end and maybe once in a while chip in a goal but given the 4th line probably won't get a ton of ice time, scoring is probably last on that list of importance for me. Ideally the center would be a right shot who can win draws, bonus points if he kills penalties. Unless Gagner has dramatically improved, I don't think Gagner is a defensively specialist. He's never been fast, he's got a career 45.6% on drawings and at 32 is getting slower. I think he's done some PK but not a lot. He can maybe score some. So he's not checking a lot of boxes here.

Love Gags, he adds secondary offence. His advanced stats look way better when he's used in that way but Janmark probably has that role. Unless he's a penalty killer now that Brassard is gone.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810693 is a reply to message #810691 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 12:10

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utility player. At this stage of his career, league minimum 13th forward. can easily play wing or center and can walk in and kill penalties as well.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810706 is a reply to message #810693 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 13:25

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 18 July 2022 12:10

utility player. At this stage of his career, league minimum 13th forward. can easily play wing or center and can walk in and kill penalties as well.

I'd prefer the Oilers bottom 6 and any extra forwards to be made up with as many guys who can skate, preferably has some size and has some skill. If you aren't a good skater, I wouldn't have them on the team. IF you are a center, you have to be able to win some faceoffs.

What is the difference between Gagner and Derek Ryan other than Gagner was drafted by the Oilers and people like him? Ryan scored 10 goals, 22 pts in 75 games. He's a smart player who can bring you some offense from time to time. Bottom 6 guy, can kill some penalties, right handed. Good guy but skating is an issue. Ryan is at please good on faceoffs. So is Ryan not taking up what Gagner could do?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810709 is a reply to message #810706 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 13:41

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half a million dollars.
also, someone he's a career 45% faceoff man. he's no ace, but he'll win 4 out of 9. not bad for a 13th forward who can also PK or competently play either wing.
last year Gagner scored 13 and 18 in 81 games.
over his career, 3 times the points in twice the games.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810710 is a reply to message #810709 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 13:59

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Gagner scored 18 goals 6 seasons ago so in my opinion, that a player did 6 yrs ago doesn't mean that much to me. I am looking at the hear and now. He came off a 13 goal season in 81 games which is good for a bottom 6 forward but he was also averaging 13:37 a night for the wings. Ryan scored 10 in 75 games playing 11:26 a night so more than 2 mins less a night.

I guess we will have to disagree on Gagner. I don't think you can have Ryan and Gagner on your team. They to me are similar players. Maybe Ryan is slightly more defensive and Gagner a tiny bit more offensive but both are pretty close. Full disclosure, I haven't done a deep dive into the advanced numbers, just looking purely at stats. If you bring in Gagner, then you need to get rid of Ryan in my opinion.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810713 is a reply to message #810710 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 14:18

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we agree. trade Ryan for a 5th if possible, replace him with Gags for leage minimum. We'll need every dolalr available for PJ, Yam and Mcleod.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810715 is a reply to message #810713 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 14:23

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 18 July 2022 14:18

we agree. trade Ryan for a 5th if possible, replace him with Gags for leage minimum. We'll need every dolalr available for PJ, Yam and Mcleod.

If they can trade Ryan then sure, sign Gagner if it makes fans happy. Need that trade first though.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811265 is a reply to message #810715 ]	Wed, 17 August 2022 08:27

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According to Brent Wallace, Arizona would be looking for 2 1st round picks and a good prospect for Chychrun, but would be willing to take back a contract (Zaitsev's at $4.5M with 2 years left in this case).

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2022/08/16/nhl-rumours-o ttawa-senators-jakob-chychrun-trade/

Personally, I would have no problem sending them 2 1st round picks for Chychrun if they took back Barrie. Chychrun is signed for another 3 years at $4.6M, so pretty much dollar in, dollar out. He can play both left or right side.

Nurse - Ceci
Chychrun - Bouchard
Kulak - Broberg/Samorukov/Niemelainen

That all of a sudden looks like a pretty solid group. And 4 of the top 5 guys would be here for at least the next 3 years with only Bouchard needing a new deal.

These next 3-4 years is our window. Now's the time to use futures if you need to to try to round out a championship roster.

Make this deal, then send someone a pick to take Foegele and sign Kessel and Gagner, and start planning the parade icon_biggrin

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811270 is a reply to message #811265 ]	Wed, 17 August 2022 09:44

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Mike wrote on Wed, 17 August 2022 08:27

According to Brent Wallace, Arizona would be looking for 2 1st round picks and a good prospect for Chychrun, but would be willing to take back a contract (Zaitsev's at $4.5M with 2 years left in this case).

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2022/08/16/nhl-rumours-o ttawa-senators-jakob-chychrun-trade/

Personally, I would have no problem sending them 2 1st round picks for Chychrun if they took back Barrie. Chychrun is signed for another 3 years at $4.6M, so pretty much dollar in, dollar out. He can play both left or right side.

Nurse - Ceci
Chychrun - Bouchard
Kulak - Broberg/Samorukov/Niemelainen

That all of a sudden looks like a pretty solid group. And 4 of the top 5 guys would be here for at least the next 3 years with only Bouchard needing a new deal.

These next 3-4 years is our window. Now's the time to use futures if you need to to try to round out a championship roster.

Make this deal, then send someone a pick to take Foegele and sign Kessel and Gagner, and start planning the parade icon_biggrin

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As much as I do not want to move next years 1st rounder, this a deal that fits today's narrative and the win-now window.

Foegele just feels like a future Sabre.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811271 is a reply to message #811270 ]	Wed, 17 August 2022 09:53

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2022 09:44

Foegele just feels like a future Sabre.

Audibly laughed. I wonder if the rest of the league say that about overpaid third liners would didn't get close to their second line potential. Remember Brad Isbister? So much potential.

I'd take Chychrun for 2 first rounders in a heartbeat.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811273 is a reply to message #811271 ]	Wed, 17 August 2022 09:59

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 August 2022 09:53

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2022 09:44

Foegele just feels like a future Sabre.

Audibly laughed. I wonder if the rest of the league say that about overpaid third liners would didn't get close to their second line potential. Remember Brad Isbister? So much potential.

I'd take Chychrun for 2 first rounders in a heartbeat.

Isbister was big, could skate, good shot. What's not to like?!

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811275 is a reply to message #811265 ]	Wed, 17 August 2022 10:05

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Mike wrote on Wed, 17 August 2022 07:27

According to Brent Wallace, Arizona would be looking for 2 1st round picks and a good prospect for Chychrun, but would be willing to take back a contract (Zaitsev's at $4.5M with 2 years left in this case).

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2022/08/16/nhl-rumours-o ttawa-senators-jakob-chychrun-trade/

Personally, I would have no problem sending them 2 1st round picks for Chychrun if they took back Barrie. Chychrun is signed for another 3 years at $4.6M, so pretty much dollar in, dollar out. He can play both left or right side.

Nurse - Ceci
Chychrun - Bouchard
Kulak - Broberg/Samorukov/Niemelainen

That all of a sudden looks like a pretty solid group. And 4 of the top 5 guys would be here for at least the next 3 years with only Bouchard needing a new deal.

These next 3-4 years is our window. Now's the time to use futures if you need to to try to round out a championship roster.

Make this deal, then send someone a pick to take Foegele and sign Kessel and Gagner, and start planning the parade icon_biggrin

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Yes no brainer for me.

We are expected to contend now. Two 1st rounders in the 20+ range plus a prospect seems reasonable for a defenseman coming into their prime with 3 years left on an value deal. I think he moves the needle for the team from contender to a favourite.

Clean house or bust

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811303 is a reply to message #811275 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 08:24

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As much as I am liking the Oilers having their firsts so now there is Broberg who's dirt cheap ready to come in. Holloway if he doesn't make the team out of camp, I could see being on the team this season. He will be dirt cheap. Bourgault looks like a great pick considering his season and how he was a huge part of their mem cup run. I could see him on the team potentially after a year in the AHL. When you are going for cups, you need young guys on cheap deals. Giving up their next couple of firsts assuming they are late rounders doesn't bother me that much.

The big thing is the prospect. I would not give up Broberg or Holloway because are either on the team out of camp or within a few months and the Oilers need them to be on the team and impactful soon for their cap hits. I'd have a REAL hard time getting rid of Bourgault because he's a speedy, scoring, right winger that plays both ends and competes hard. They could use that.

So who's the prospect going back would be the question.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811319 is a reply to message #811303 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 13:15

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Anyone else hear rumours about Patrick Kane to the Oilers?

No idea how that would work, but that would be an absolutely ridiculous top 6/9.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811321 is a reply to message #811319 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 13:16

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Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:15

Anyone else hear rumours about Patrick Kane to the Oilers?

No idea how that would work, but that would be an absolutely ridiculous top 6/9.

I haven't, but why not? Who needs defense?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811322 is a reply to message #811321 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 13:43

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:16

Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:15

Anyone else hear rumours about Patrick Kane to the Oilers?

No idea how that would work, but that would be an absolutely ridiculous top 6/9.

I haven't, but why not? Who needs defense?

Meh - happy to win games 8-4.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811323 is a reply to message #811322 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 13:45

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Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:43

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:16

Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:15

Anyone else hear rumours about Patrick Kane to the Oilers?

No idea how that would work, but that would be an absolutely ridiculous top 6/9.

I haven't, but why not? Who needs defense?

Meh - happy to win games 8-4.

What about the playoffs?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811331 is a reply to message #811323 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 15:15

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:45

Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:43

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:16

Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:15

Anyone else hear rumours about Patrick Kane to the Oilers?

No idea how that would work, but that would be an absolutely ridiculous top 6/9.

I haven't, but why not? Who needs defense?

Meh - happy to win games 8-4.

What about the playoffs?

6-3?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811329 is a reply to message #811319 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 14:59

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Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:15

Anyone else hear rumours about Patrick Kane to the Oilers?

No idea how that would work, but that would be an absolutely ridiculous top 6/9.

I heard some sports betting sites had us as the odds on favourite to land 88 a few weeks ago and some schlep sites jumped on board, but has there been some legitimate insiders reporting this in the past couple of days?

I would not say no, but I wonder how and can we get some cap space for a d-man too? The Kadri signing should light a fire underneath the Holland's butts.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811333 is a reply to message #811329 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 15:26

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 14:59

Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:15

Anyone else hear rumours about Patrick Kane to the Oilers?

No idea how that would work, but that would be an absolutely ridiculous top 6/9.

I heard some sports betting sites had us as the odds on favourite to land 88 a few weeks ago and some schlep sites jumped on board, but has there been some legitimate insiders reporting this in the past couple of days?

I would not say no, but I wonder how and can we get some cap space for a d-man too? The Kadri signing should light a fire underneath the Holland's butts.

Hahaha...Answering my own question. Stauffer giving the winky face emoji saying stuff is in the works, and Principe doubling down saying Kane is "Option #1".

Bison King, Foegele and a 1st speculated is the speculated cost with 50% retention.

Still not cap compliant and McLeod is still unsigned. Fun to dream.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811334 is a reply to message #811329 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 15:27

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:59

I heard some sports betting sites had us as the odds on favourite to land 88 a few weeks ago and some schlep sites jumped on board, but has there been some legitimate insiders reporting this in the past couple of days?

Probably the same ones. Wandered over to HF today and saw a bunch of people talking about that. Hadn’t even heard that was a possibility before today.

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Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 15:27

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:59

I heard some sports betting sites had us as the odds on favourite to land 88 a few weeks ago and some schlep sites jumped on board, but has there been some legitimate insiders reporting this in the past couple of days?

Probably the same ones. Wandered over to HF today and saw a bunch of people talking about that. Hadn’t even heard that was a possibility before today.

Gene Principe said on Stauffer that Patty Kane is plan #1, and Kessel plan #2.

Kane-McDavid-Kane.

McKane's? McKane's fries are on the menu. Get them with the Bobby Nick's Burger 2.0!

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Re: Kane, I guess having more high scoring forwards than the other team has defencemen could be a valid strategy?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811337 is a reply to message #811336 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 15:33

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 15:31

Re: Kane, I guess having more high scoring forwards than the other team has defencemen could be a valid strategy?

Pens won a cup with a rag tag D group I guess, with Letang out. Need a goalie standing on his head and 3 waves of attack. Kessel was the key to wave 3 for them.

Our top 4 D is decent too I think. Nurse-Ceci were great. Kulak-Bouch I bet will be good too. I'd rather have a more stable and defensively aware D with a rookie on the 3rd pair, but guess we'll have to see. I don't think you get Patty Kane without moving Barrie and Foegele. Chicago can only retain so much. Kane is at lowest a 5.25M hit, unless he bounces multiple times I guess?

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 18:33

Kane is at lowest a 5.25M hit, unless he bounces multiple times I guess?

Or even once through Arizona or Buffalo for a pick? Kane for $2.75M? Giddy up. Bonus is his actual salary this year is i only $2.9M (i think) so would cost budget teams next to no actual dollars.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811340 is a reply to message #811339 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 16:04

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How about a 3 way?

To Chicago: Foegele, Puljujarvi, 2023 EDM 2nd

To Arizona: Barrie, 2023 EDM 1st, 2024 EDM 1st, Samorukov (or someone else)

To Edmonton: Patrick Kane at 25% (50% retention CHI, 50% Arizona), Jakob Chychrun.

Not sure if that would be close for the Hawks, but considering what we gave them for Keith, I think they owe us one. And it’s an expiring deal anyway, and he had a full NMC, so shouldn’t be too far off I don’t think.

And for Arizona, that’s right around the rumoured asking price. Man. I should be GM!

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Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:04

How about a 3 way?

To Chicago: Foegele, Puljujarvi, 2023 EDM 2nd

To Arizona: Barrie, 2023 EDM 1st, 2024 EDM 1st, Samorukov (or someone else)

To Edmonton: Patrick Kane at 25% (50% retention CHI, 50% Arizona), Jakob Chychrun.

Not sure if that would be close for the Hawks, but considering what we gave them for Keith, I think they owe us one. And it’s an expiring deal anyway, and he had a full NMC, so shouldn’t be too far off I don’t think.

And for Arizona, that’s right around the rumoured asking price. Man. I should be GM!

Lol. That's awesome and it kind of makes sense. Throw in a couple Booster Juice rink boards and you might have a deal.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:08

Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:04

How about a 3 way?

To Chicago: Foegele, Puljujarvi, 2023 EDM 2nd

To Arizona: Barrie, 2023 EDM 1st, 2024 EDM 1st, Samorukov (or someone else)

To Edmonton: Patrick Kane at 25% (50% retention CHI, 50% Arizona), Jakob Chychrun.

Not sure if that would be close for the Hawks, but considering what we gave them for Keith, I think they owe us one. And it’s an expiring deal anyway, and he had a full NMC, so shouldn’t be too far off I don’t think.

And for Arizona, that’s right around the rumoured asking price. Man. I should be GM!

Lol. That's awesome and it kind of makes sense. Throw in a couple Booster Juice rink boards and you might have a deal.

Yay, then when its time to re-sign their two best players they run out of town because nobody is around to play with them and there's no future to sell them.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811356 is a reply to message #811340 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 23:19

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Mike wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:04

How about a 3 way?

To Chicago: Foegele, Puljujarvi, 2023 EDM 2nd

To Arizona: Barrie, 2023 EDM 1st, 2024 EDM 1st, Samorukov (or someone else)

To Edmonton: Patrick Kane at 25% (50% retention CHI, 50% Arizona), Jakob Chychrun.

Not sure if that would be close for the Hawks, but considering what we gave them for Keith, I think they owe us one. And it’s an expiring deal anyway, and he had a full NMC, so shouldn’t be too far off I don’t think.

And for Arizona, that’s right around the rumoured asking price. Man. I should be GM!

Brad would have to work overtime to convince his dad he can do something as crazy as getting a player traded twice so you only retain a quarter of his salary. Seems waaaay over the old man's head.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811338 is a reply to message #811336 ]	Thu, 18 August 2022 15:33

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 15:31

Re: Kane, I guess having more high scoring forwards than the other team has defencemen could be a valid strategy?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811433 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Mon, 22 August 2022 12:57

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Patrick Kane talk not stopping. Just want to be on the record saying that would be insane if we got him and it really hope it happens :)

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811469 is a reply to message #811433 ]	Wed, 24 August 2022 12:05

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 August 2022 11:57

Patrick Kane talk not stopping. Just want to be on the record saying that would be insane if we got him and it really hope it happens :)

If it happens, NHL D-men heads will be spinnin'
Hope the cost is in line with the fact he is UFA in a year.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811471 is a reply to message #811469 ]	Wed, 24 August 2022 12:49

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 12:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 August 2022 11:57

Patrick Kane talk not stopping. Just want to be on the record saying that would be insane if we got him and it really hope it happens :)

If it happens, NHL D-men heads will be spinnin'
Hope the cost is in line with the fact he is UFA in a year.

Cost will be way too high for a 1 year rental.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811472 is a reply to message #811471 ]	Wed, 24 August 2022 13:01

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 12:49

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 12:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 August 2022 11:57

Patrick Kane talk not stopping. Just want to be on the record saying that would be insane if we got him and it really hope it happens :)

If it happens, NHL D-men heads will be spinnin'
Hope the cost is in line with the fact he is UFA in a year.

Cost will be way too high for a 1 year rental.

What would you feel is a reasonable price for Patrick Kane - realizing that adding Kane would mean our top two lines would be a force to be reckoned with. More firepower than anyone else in the league could boast.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811473 is a reply to message #811472 ]	Wed, 24 August 2022 14:30

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Adam wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 13:01

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 12:49

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 12:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 22 August 2022 11:57

Patrick Kane talk not stopping. Just want to be on the record saying that would be insane if we got him and it really hope it happens :)

If it happens, NHL D-men heads will be spinnin'
Hope the cost is in line with the fact he is UFA in a year.

Cost will be way too high for a 1 year rental.

What would you feel is a reasonable price for Patrick Kane - realizing that adding Kane would mean our top two lines would be a force to be reckoned with. More firepower than anyone else in the league could boast.

I do know its probably going to take 2 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, Puljujarvi, Barrie, and a top prospect.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811475 is a reply to message #811473 ]	Wed, 24 August 2022 15:27

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 13:30

I do know its probably going to take 2 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, Puljujarvi, Barrie, and a top prospect.

That's for no money retained. If you want Chicago to retain some salary, that's going to cost more.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811480 is a reply to message #811475 ]	Wed, 24 August 2022 18:39

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Goose wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 15:27

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 August 2022 13:30

I do know its probably going to take 2 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder, Puljujarvi, Barrie, and a top prospect.

That's for no money retained. If you want Chicago to retain some salary, that's going to cost more.

Except that Kane has a no-move clause, and Chicago both wants to be bad, and to shed some of their financial obligations. One would hope that the Oilers learned from the Duncan Keith debacle and actually used the leverage that they are provided with. If the 'Hawks have virtually no one that they are able to trade with, then that impacts the price they are able to extract for him. I'd argue that the Coyotes or Habs or whoever the other intermediary team is is likely to get as much for Kane as the Blackhawks are, given that they are taking on 1.725 salary and $2.5MM cap hit that they don't otherwise have to while the 'Hawks are saving $5MM in cap space and $3.45MM in real money.

Given the salary Barrie has and what he brings, there is an argument to be made that it's a benefit to the Oilers to trade him away, especially if his contributions on the PP are made redundant by Bouchard and his ES contributions can be duplicated or improved at a much lower cost.

Patrick Kane isn't a player that I've ever particularly liked, but you can't deny that he's a tremendous offensive talent. The Oilers would potentially be the first team in almost 30 years with three 100 point players on it (last time was 1995-96).

For what it's worth, I have less of an issue with Patrick Kane than I do with Evander Kane. Patrick has a drunken assault of a taxi driver in his past, which isn't good. He did have an allegation of a sexual assault, but here is the quote from the DA in dismissing it:

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"The totality of the credible evidence—the proof—does not sufficiently substantiate the complainant’s allegation that she was raped by Patrick Kane and this so-called 'case' is rife with reasonable doubt," Erie County District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III said in a statement. "Accordingly, the Office of the Erie County District Attorney will not present this matter to an Erie County Grand Jury."

That's a little more definitive than you find in a lot of these cases. You don't often see the prosecutor talking about things as "so-called" when letting them go and that suggests there were serious irregularities. The girl's mom faked a stunt with a rape kit which caused a lot of issues, and then there was no civil case, which is what you might expect to follow if there was enough evidence of ill-doing, without enough to satisfy beyond a reasonable doubt. He may have done something, but what we aren't ever going to know and there were reasons to question the narrative by the end.

There is just more gray here, which is always problematic. I don't see the same thing in the Evander Kane issues. There's some significant proof of assault in his Buffalo case, which is ongoing. There's a litany of occasions of bad behaviour and challenged decision making.

Ideally, I'm happy if neither are Oilers, but if I had to choose between one, then I would prefer Patrick, where the allegations are much less clear and serious.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811485 is a reply to message #811480 ]	Thu, 25 August 2022 01:16

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I’m loving all the off season speculation but just have one question…

Where is OSCARGASM to give us all the real insight?!?! He must be in cottage country. I’m going mad waiting for him to chime in!!!!

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811487 is a reply to message #811485 ]	Thu, 25 August 2022 08:32

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so... do the Hawks 'owe us one' for the Keith trade?

arizona gets our 1st and Barrie - retains 1/4 Kane's salary
chicago gets our 2nd (whatever year we have one again) and Foegle - retains 1/2 Kane's salary
we get Kane at 1/4 cost and Chychrun

please?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #811504 is a reply to message #811487 ]	Thu, 25 August 2022 11:37

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 25 August 2022 08:32

so... do the Hawks 'owe us one' for the Keith trade?

arizona gets our 1st and Barrie - retains 1/4 Kane's salary
chicago gets our 2nd (whatever year we have one again) and Foegle - retains 1/2 Kane's salary
we get Kane at 1/4 cost and Chychrun

please?

Even with the Kane NMC, I don't think Chicago is in that much of a panic to move him now. He probably still sells jerseys and is one of the only guys people still pay to see there. At the deadline he will probably have a nice list of contenders he would be willing to move to to try to win another cup and Chicago can get a little bidding war going between top teams.

I think this summer you're probably paying full rental price to get Chicago to pull the trigger early. 1st and good prospect at least.

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