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2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #808867]	Sun, 12 June 2022 10:12

Jakey
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Registered: November 2007
Location: Leduc

No Cups

Thought might be fun to get a thread about realistic transactions Holland might get done. Here’s Mine….

- Trade JP, Foegele, Samarukov, 2022 1st rd pick, Klefbom Contract for Gibson & Comtois
- Trade Barrie to Seattle for Soucy & a 2022 2nd rd pick
- Trade Kassian & Lavoie to NJ for N. Bastian
- Resign Kulak ($3.5 M x 5?)
- resign Yamamoto ($2.5 x 2?)
- resign McLeod ($1.5 x2?)
- Kane goes elsewhere for the $$$

That’s what I would like to happen and see a bit of possibilities maybe.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #808868 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Sun, 12 June 2022 11:19

inverno76
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2 Cups

Add in Statler and Waldorf retiring, picking up Strome somehow and that’s an A++ off-season.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #808906 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Mon, 13 June 2022 09:04

Burgeoboy
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Registered: July 2006
Location: Burgeo, Newfoundland

No Cups

Kieth-Retire, self-explanatory

Smith-Retire, self-explanatory

Kassian- trade, self-explanatory

Barrie-trade, I like Barrie, I just don't think he's a great fit, Ideally Broberg is on our 3rd paring, I'd rather he was paired with a partner better defensively than Barrie and if Bouchard is going take over the power play, it lessens Barrie value to us.

Puljujarvi- Re-sign.

Mcleod- Re-sign.

Yamamoto-Re-sign.

Kane- Do not Re-sign. even if all the above happened and we had lots of cap space, I don't commit to Kane. it hasn't ended well anywhere he's been. He was amazing here, but I think we should quit while we are ahead.

that leaves the team with

Draisaitl-McDavid-Yamamoto
Hyman-Nuge-xxxx
Foegele-Mcleod-PulJuJarvi
Holloway-xxx-Ryan

Nurse-Ceci
xxx-Bouchard
Brobreg-xxx

xxx
Skinner

including Kelfbom's LTIR and assuming we can re-sign the RFA's for Under 10M. that would leave the team with about 20M to fill the remaining holes.

this isn't a projection, more my hopes and dreams. but it could happen....right? lol

[Updated on: Mon, 13 June 2022 09:07]

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #808949 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Mon, 13 June 2022 15:42

hitmen4
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Registered: April 2010

No Cups

I'll give it a go. A lot of what the Oilers can do this offseason really depends on Keith's retirement decision. I don't think Keith will retire, so for the purpose of this I'll assume Keith is back. Smith's retirement seems more likely, so I'll assume he's gone.

Kassian gets dealt to a team like Anaheim or Columbus for whatever you can get. Goal is to avoid a buyout. Let's assume they retain $500k to make it work.

Barrie is the other cap casualty. Barrie has some value, so Barrie to Seattle for a 3rd round pick. No salary retention.

Let Kane go. Unbelievable run, but cash out on him now.

Oilers seem linked to this Andrei Kuzmenko guy. I'll be an optimist and say he picks Edmonton. I believe he has to sign an ELC, so we'll put him in at $925k.

Goalie needs to be figured out. None of the UFA's seem like homeruns, so I'd go with a show me contract (similar to Driedger in Seattle last summer) for Ville Husso. 3 x $3.5

Kulak gets re signed to a 3x$3 or 4x$3.

I still think the Oilers need to add another piece on the back end - so let's get a guy like Gudbranson or Ian Cole in there for the 3rd pair. 2x2 should be able to get that done.

Holloway gets penciled in for the 3rd line.

The big 3 RFAs - I go short with Yamamoto (2x2.5), medium with Puljujarvi (3x3) and long with McLeod (5x2.5). I think those are fairly reasonable for what each brings to the table. I'm not very high on Yamamoto, so maybe I'm underselling him a bit, but I don't think he's necessary long term.

Roster shakes out as follows:

Kuzmenko - McDavid - Puljujarvi
Hyman - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Nuge - McLeod - Holloway
Foegele - Ryan

Nurse - Ceci
Kulak - Bouchard
Broberg - Gudbranson/Cole
Keith

Husso
Skinner

I think running with 11&7 for long stretches next year would be the way to go. That 3rd line should be able to carry a lot of minutes.

By my math this puts is almost directly at the cap.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #808957 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Mon, 13 June 2022 16:30

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No Cups

Keith retiring and absolutely putting the screws to Chicago would be hilarious. No chance he does that to the franchise whose jersey he'll be wearing in the HoF.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #808959 is a reply to message #808957 ]	Mon, 13 June 2022 16:39

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Mouth piece Stauffer on his show today saying "they will have more cap space then people think they do". Whatever that means but he telegraphs things on his show.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809291 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Mon, 20 June 2022 16:28

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5 Cups

Woody and Manson receive contracts
Barrie traded as a cap casualty
Kulak resigns
Yamo signed for an eye opening, ear raising amount
JP resigns
McLeod resigns
Gudbranson, or similar, signed to be 3RD

Keith and smith return. Broberg and Holloway dictate how far team goes with their depth services.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809294 is a reply to message #809291 ]	Mon, 20 June 2022 16:50

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 20 June 2022 16:28

Yamo signed for an eye opening, ear raising amount

This is the riot in the streets?

I love that you inside knowledge....I hate that you have inside knowledge.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809296 is a reply to message #809291 ]	Mon, 20 June 2022 17:17

Skookum Jim
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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 20 June 2022 15:28

Woody and Manson receive contracts
Barrie traded as a cap casualty
Kulak resigns
Yamo signed for an eye opening, ear raising amount
JP resigns
McLeod resigns
Gudbranson, or similar, signed to be 3RD

Keith and smith return. Broberg and Holloway dictate how far team goes with their depth services.

Yamo? not sure why.. he didn't really have the year of production that warrants it.. unless you mean eye opening low amount..

Kane? Milstein is supposed to see Holland this week.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809297 is a reply to message #809296 ]	Mon, 20 June 2022 18:13

Oscargasm
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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 20 June 2022 17:17

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 20 June 2022 15:28

Woody and Manson receive contracts
Barrie traded as a cap casualty
Kulak resigns
Yamo signed for an eye opening, ear raising amount
JP resigns
McLeod resigns
Gudbranson, or similar, signed to be 3RD

Keith and smith return. Broberg and Holloway dictate how far team goes with their depth services.

Yamo? not sure why.. he didn't really have the year of production that warrants it.. unless you mean eye opening low amount..

Kane? Milstein is supposed to see Holland this week.

Let’s not forget Yamo held out … not thinking bridge here.

Kane also met with Holland and Woody early last week. Few things need to happen for it to be realistic, but that said… player and team do want marriage to continue.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809299 is a reply to message #809297 ]	Mon, 20 June 2022 19:30

Skookum Jim
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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 20 June 2022 17:13

... player and team do want marriage to continue.

At least there is that :)

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809300 is a reply to message #809297 ]	Mon, 20 June 2022 19:39

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No Cups

LET KANE WALK!!!!!!!!!!

Kass traded with a sweetener for minimal return
Keith retires
Smith retires
Barrie trade for a similar contract rd but more of a shutdown guy
1st this year 2nd next 2 prospects (not Xavier, broberg, or holloway) to Vancouver for jt miller and a 2 this year.

Try and sign MAF 1 year at a time until skinner and or fanti are starter level
If not maf I would go after kuemper but likely try for 2 or 3 years there but I don't imagine ge sings for a shorter term

Klefbom, the second from Vancouver, Xavier, 2023 1st and another pick/ prospect to the coyotes for chychrun

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809705 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Sun, 03 July 2022 17:56

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Sunday happenings re: Oilers per the dawg;
Goalie:
Rangers original ask of JP, 29th overall and Samarukov for Georgiev and their 3rd was quickly met with Holland hanging up (which is what I referenced yesterday). Rangers have since changed tune to Foegele and Samarukov, but no 3rd. Discussions are occurring. Oilers still want Campbell, but options for other areas open with a goalie in trade.

Defense:
Talks on Barrie still happening with a few teams as increasing belief that Keith returns. Kulak and agent still mulling over contract offer from Oilers.

Forwards:
Yamo’s last contact with team was asking 3M+ Though team views him as middle 6 winger, just as they view JP.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809707 is a reply to message #809705 ]	Sun, 03 July 2022 22:49

Adam
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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 03 July 2022 17:56

Sunday happenings re: Oilers per the dawg;
Goalie:
Rangers original ask of JP, 29th overall and Samarukov for Georgiev and their 3rd was quickly met with Holland hanging up (which is what I referenced yesterday). Rangers have since changed tune to Foegele and Samarukov, but no 3rd. Discussions are occurring. Oilers still want Campbell, but options for other areas open with a goalie in trade.

Defense:
Talks on Barrie still happening with a few teams as increasing belief that Keith returns. Kulak and agent still mulling over contract offer from Oilers.

Forwards:
Yamo’s last contact with team was asking 3M+ Though team views him as middle 6 winger, just as they view JP.

Just Foegele and Samorukov??? I'd do that immediately. If the first rounder is in it, then I'd be more hesitant.

Not 100% sold on Georgiev, but he's affordable and young and if he didn't work out, you can still afford to bring in someone else too. If we end up with too many goalies and Skinner is odd man out, I'm not heart-broken.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #809709 is a reply to message #809707 ]	Mon, 04 July 2022 08:14

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I am not sold on Georgiev at all. The vezina winner plays on his team and finished with a .935. He finishes with a .898. So in this case you can't blame the team, their systems or the guys in front of him for poor numbers.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810037 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Thu, 07 July 2022 23:22

Oscargasm
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$10,330,205 of cap space following the Kassian trade. Add to this the $6,367,000 of LTIR (Klefbom+Smith) and we’re looking at $16,697,205 however, Skinner is not accounted for in this so taking him into account we’re looking at $15,947,205.

7F/6D/1G included in that… so 1G, 1D and 6F? Lol. Sounds like Holloway will be with the big club and Malone will be 13th F so subtract their $762,500 and $925,000 and we’re left with $14,259,705 for 1G, 1D and 4F.

I’m forecasting Yamo at 3.25 and McLeod 1.75, leaving $9,259,705 for 1G, 1D and 2F.

If we read the tea leaves, Deshairnais is loved by the coaching staff, so let’s count him as the extra D, $762,500 leaving $8,497,205 for 1G, 2F.

That’s bleak. With Skinner as the only goalie… need a starter, a top line winger and 3rd RW… for just under 8.5M. And JP in limbo.

Hyman-McDavid-XXX
Nuge-Drai-Yamo
Foegele-McLeod-XXX
Holloway-Ryan-Shore
Malone

Nurse-Ceci
Keith-Bouch
Broberg-Barrie
Desharnais

XXX
Skinner

Oilers need Keith to retire… which would bring the cap to $14,035,667 to then sign 1G, 1D and 2F. Kulak 3.5x5, Campbell 4.5x5, Giroux 4.5x3 and you’ve got just over 1.5M for your 3RW.

Hyman-McDavid-Giroux
Nuge-Drai-Yamo
Foegele-McLeod-XXX1.5M
Holloway-Ryan-Shore
Malone

Nurse-Ceci
Kulak-Bouch
Broberg-Barrie
Desharnais

Campbell
Skinner

Granted 9729, but I don’t know if that team is deep enough to challenge an Avs team in the west that are going to be doing all they can to run it back.

Ideally Shore isn’t on the 4th line either, and Holloway isn’t in over his head.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810040 is a reply to message #810037 ]	Thu, 07 July 2022 23:31

Skookum Jim
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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 07 July 2022 22:22

$10,330,205 of cap space following the Kassian trade. Add to this the $6,367,000 of LTIR (Klefbom+Smith) and we’re looking at $16,697,205 however, Skinner is not accounted for in this so taking him into account we’re looking at $15,947,205.

7F/6D/1G included in that… so 1G, 1D and 6F? Lol. Sounds like Holloway will be with the big club and Malone will be 13th F so subtract their $762,500 and $925,000 and we’re left with $14,259,705 for 1G, 1D and 4F.

I’m forecasting Yamo at 3.25 and McLeod 1.75, leaving $9,259,705 for 1G, 1D and 2F.

If we read the tea leaves, Deshairnais is loved by the coaching staff, so let’s count him as the extra D, $762,500 leaving $8,497,205 for 1G, 2F.

That’s bleak. With Skinner as the only goalie… need a starter, a top line winger and 3rd RW… for just under 8.5M. And JP in limbo.

Hyman-McDavid-XXX
Nuge-Drai-Yamo
Foegele-McLeod-XXX
Holloway-Ryan-Shore
Malone

Nurse-Ceci
Keith-Bouch
Broberg-Barrie
Desharnais

XXX
Skinner

Oilers need Keith to retire… which would bring the cap to $14,035,667 to then sign 1G, 1D and 2F. Kulak 3.5x5, Campbell 4.5x5, Giroux 4.5x3 and you’ve got just over 1.5M for your 3RW.

Hyman-McDavid-Giroux
Nuge-Drai-Yamo
Foegele-McLeod-XXX1.5M
Holloway-Ryan-Shore
Malone

Nurse-Ceci
Kulak-Bouch
Broberg-Barrie
Desharnais

Campbell
Skinner

Granted 9729, but I don’t know if that team is deep enough to challenge an Avs team in the west that are going to be doing all they can to run it back.

Ideally Shore isn’t on the 4th line either, and Holloway isn’t in over his head.

No Kane?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810042 is a reply to message #810040 ]	Thu, 07 July 2022 23:36

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 07 July 2022 23:31

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 07 July 2022 22:22

$10,330,205 of cap space following the Kassian trade. Add to this the $6,367,000 of LTIR (Klefbom+Smith) and we’re looking at $16,697,205 however, Skinner is not accounted for in this so taking him into account we’re looking at $15,947,205.

7F/6D/1G included in that… so 1G, 1D and 6F? Lol. Sounds like Holloway will be with the big club and Malone will be 13th F so subtract their $762,500 and $925,000 and we’re left with $14,259,705 for 1G, 1D and 4F.

I’m forecasting Yamo at 3.25 and McLeod 1.75, leaving $9,259,705 for 1G, 1D and 2F.

If we read the tea leaves, Deshairnais is loved by the coaching staff, so let’s count him as the extra D, $762,500 leaving $8,497,205 for 1G, 2F.

That’s bleak. With Skinner as the only goalie… need a starter, a top line winger and 3rd RW… for just under 8.5M. And JP in limbo.

Hyman-McDavid-XXX
Nuge-Drai-Yamo
Foegele-McLeod-XXX
Holloway-Ryan-Shore
Malone

Nurse-Ceci
Keith-Bouch
Broberg-Barrie
Desharnais

XXX
Skinner

Oilers need Keith to retire… which would bring the cap to $14,035,667 to then sign 1G, 1D and 2F. Kulak 3.5x5, Campbell 4.5x5, Giroux 4.5x3 and you’ve got just over 1.5M for your 3RW.

Hyman-McDavid-Giroux
Nuge-Drai-Yamo
Foegele-McLeod-XXX1.5M
Holloway-Ryan-Shore
Malone

Nurse-Ceci
Kulak-Bouch
Broberg-Barrie
Desharnais

Campbell
Skinner

Granted 9729, but I don’t know if that team is deep enough to challenge an Avs team in the west that are going to be doing all they can to run it back.

Ideally Shore isn’t on the 4th line either, and Holloway isn’t in over his head.

No Kane?

Not an outright no but need a few other cap freeing trades to occur.

With Keith expected to announce retirement, Barrie likely kept around. 2M off that nurse deal would be incredibly useful right now.

Holland has told agents the last 2 weeks that he will add term to bring AAV down.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810046 is a reply to message #810042 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 04:07

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So what’s up with the Hawks not qualifying Strome? Never really paid much attention to him, but his numbers look pretty good. He was only making $3M last year. Seems like a bargain for his numbers. Or at the very least not an overpay. Am I missing something? If he’s available, definitely someone I would put a call in to.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810049 is a reply to message #810046 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 08:07

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I am with you, I don't understand what's up with Strome. I don't pretend to know a ton about the guy. I have heard his skating isn't the greatest but he score 22 goals and 48 pts so he found ways to be productive. The Hawks are clearly rebuilding but he's only 25 and you still need some players to play but based on the moves the Hawks have made, clearly they are not doing things normally.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810057 is a reply to message #810046 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 08:46

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Mike wrote on Fri, 08 July 2022 04:07

So what’s up with the Hawks not qualifying Strome? Never really paid much attention to him, but his numbers look pretty good. He was only making $3M last year. Seems like a bargain for his numbers. Or at the very least not an overpay. Am I missing something? If he’s available, definitely someone I would put a call in to.

Hopefully we make a play for him if he isn't qualified and is a UFA, had chemistry with Mcdavid and could fill a top line role for ~$3M and giving up no assets for it.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810060 is a reply to message #810046 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 10:05

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Mike wrote on Fri, 08 July 2022 04:07

So what’s up with the Hawks not qualifying Strome? Never really paid much attention to him, but his numbers look pretty good. He was only making $3M last year. Seems like a bargain for his numbers. Or at the very least not an overpay. Am I missing something? If he’s available, definitely someone I would put a call in to.

All part of the tank job, I guess.

There was some speculation he might be part of the Team Canada stuff, but I don't think he was on that squad ( https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/1618/canada-u20/2017-201 8?tab=stats). Apparently Chicago had been trying to trade him for months all the same, so something is a bit odd...decent numbers (22-26-48 in 69 games this year), not a horrific contract even if you re-signed him at $3.6MM...so what's up with that player?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810061 is a reply to message #810060 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 10:12

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Adam wrote on Fri, 08 July 2022 10:05

Mike wrote on Fri, 08 July 2022 04:07

So what’s up with the Hawks not qualifying Strome? Never really paid much attention to him, but his numbers look pretty good. He was only making $3M last year. Seems like a bargain for his numbers. Or at the very least not an overpay. Am I missing something? If he’s available, definitely someone I would put a call in to.

All part of the tank job, I guess.

There was some speculation he might be part of the Team Canada stuff, but I don't think he was on that squad ( https://www.eliteprospects.com/team/1618/canada-u20/2017-201 8?tab=stats). Apparently Chicago had been trying to trade him for months all the same, so something is a bit odd...decent numbers (22-26-48 in 69 games this year), not a horrific contract even if you re-signed him at $3.6MM...so what's up with that player?

Think effort level has been a Strome issue for his career so far. Lots of talent, but plays butter soft and effort is all over the place.

McDavid could get him in line I bet!

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810149 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 14:43

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Stauffer suggesting there may be additional contracts out.. got the feeling one might be Foogle.. maybe replace him with Mason Marchment, who is UFA.. and Florida with little cap space.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810150 is a reply to message #810149 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 15:03

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With Keith retiring, I wouldn't be trading Barrie just to dump his salary. I would be looking to trade him for maybe a more defensive dman. They have the right shot, offensive puck mover in Bouchard. They have the all around right shot in Ceci. They could use a more defensive, PK, maybe a bit bigger, more physical dman to round out the defense.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810172 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Fri, 08 July 2022 18:55

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After the Keith retirement and Kassian trade, my suggested transactions:

Sign Dylan Strome, 4x$4.5M
Sign KY, 1x$2.5M
Sign JP, 1x$2.5M
Sign McLeod, 2x$1.5M
Sign Benson & Marody, 1x$1M (one-way deals)

Sign Kulak, 3x$3M
Sign Campbell, 3x$4.5M

Gives us:

Strome - McDavid - Yamamoto
RNH - Draisatl - Puljujarvi
Foegele - McLeod - Hyman
Holloway - Ryan - Benson
Marody - Shore as extras

Nurse - Ceci
Kulak - Bouchard
Broberg - Barrie
Niemelainen/Samorukov/Desharnais as #7 (or $1M veteran extra D)

Campbell
Skinner

With the $4.1M *spits* in dead cap, by my calculations that puts us within $100K of the $82.5M cap. I like the forward depth - at least two forwards (Hyman-Holloway) that can jump up to the top-6.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810329 is a reply to message #810172 ]	Tue, 12 July 2022 08:45

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Sounds like Kulak is going to explore free agency. That's disappointing but given how thin the defense market is, I bet he thinks he can get more than what the Oilers offered. He might be right.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810354 is a reply to message #810172 ]	Tue, 12 July 2022 13:23

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AndersonRules wrote on Fri, 08 July 2022 17:55

After the Keith retirement and Kassian trade, my suggested transactions:

Sign Dylan Strome, 4x$4.5M
Sign KY, 1x$2.5M
Sign JP, 1x$2.5M
Sign McLeod, 2x$1.5M
Sign Benson & Marody, 1x$1M (one-way deals)

Sign Kulak, 3x$3M
Sign Campbell, 3x$4.5M

Gives us:

Strome - McDavid - Yamamoto
RNH - Draisatl - Puljujarvi
Foegele - McLeod - Hyman
Holloway - Ryan - Benson
Marody - Shore as extras

Nurse - Ceci
Kulak - Bouchard
Broberg - Barrie
Niemelainen/Samorukov/Desharnais as #7 (or $1M veteran extra D)

Campbell
Skinner

With the $4.1M *spits* in dead cap, by my calculations that puts us within $100K of the $82.5M cap. I like the forward depth - at least two forwards (Hyman-Holloway) that can jump up to the top-6.

Oilers really need to find a way to move that Barrie contract. It's just way too much to pay a guy to play on the 3rd pair, and with PP skills that are redundant at this point.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810398 is a reply to message #810354 ]	Tue, 12 July 2022 23:00

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Goose wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 13:23

Oilers really need to find a way to move that Barrie contract. It's just way too much to pay a guy to play on the 3rd pair, and with PP skills that are redundant at this point.

Counter-point - they shouldn't move Barrie until they've signed a long extension with Bouchard. If he plays PP1 next year, he could be over 60 points and suddenly we have a real problem on our hands cap-wise. Barrie in that spot helps to limit the damage from Bouchard's next deal.

I actually thought Barrie acquitted himself rather well in the playoffs. He's probably overpaid as a third pairing guy, but his specialist work on the powerplay makes up for that. He's not the worst option we could have...but if Bouchard breaks out, he becomes too expensive to keep.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810407 is a reply to message #810398 ]	Wed, 13 July 2022 02:57

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Adam wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 23:00

Goose wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 13:23

Oilers really need to find a way to move that Barrie contract. It's just way too much to pay a guy to play on the 3rd pair, and with PP skills that are redundant at this point.

Counter-point - they shouldn't move Barrie until they've signed a long extension with Bouchard. If he plays PP1 next year, he could be over 60 points and suddenly we have a real problem on our hands cap-wise. Barrie in that spot helps to limit the damage from Bouchard's next deal.

I actually thought Barrie acquitted himself rather well in the playoffs. He's probably overpaid as a third pairing guy, but his specialist work on the powerplay makes up for that. He's not the worst option we could have...but if Bouchard breaks out, he becomes too expensive to keep.

Fully agree. I see foegele as the clear 3rd line winger and making close to 3m as the contract that needs to go opposed to Barrie.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810424 is a reply to message #810398 ]	Wed, 13 July 2022 09:48

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Adam wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 22:00

Goose wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 13:23

Oilers really need to find a way to move that Barrie contract. It's just way too much to pay a guy to play on the 3rd pair, and with PP skills that are redundant at this point.

Counter-point - they shouldn't move Barrie until they've signed a long extension with Bouchard. If he plays PP1 next year, he could be over 60 points and suddenly we have a real problem on our hands cap-wise. Barrie in that spot helps to limit the damage from Bouchard's next deal.

I actually thought Barrie acquitted himself rather well in the playoffs. He's probably overpaid as a third pairing guy, but his specialist work on the powerplay makes up for that. He's not the worst option we could have...but if Bouchard breaks out, he becomes too expensive to keep.

Totally agree. I've said before that they should be working on an extension for Bouchard right now. Sign him to a Klefbom deal.

But why try to save money on Bouchard's next deal by overpaying Barrie by $2.5 - $3M for the next 3 years to play on the 3rd pair? Move him and let Bouchard develop into the pp killer of the future.

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17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810371 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Tue, 12 July 2022 18:20

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Frank Seravalli reporting that the Flames have put a massive offer on the table for Johnny Hockey:

Quote:

@frank_seravalli - My sense is #Flames have put an offer on the table for Johnny Gaudreau - north of $10 mil x 8 years - that would make him not only highest-paid player in Calgary franchise history, but among richest in #NHL.

If Gaudreau walks, it likely won't be because of money.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/15469075315654656 04?s=20&t=-jAV99n7oUDB36qhtIistg

That's a big ticket. Probably makes the Flames better for the next 2-3 years, but after that it becomes pretty hard for Gaudreau to provide that type of value.

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17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810372 is a reply to message #810371 ]	Tue, 12 July 2022 18:23

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Goose wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 18:20

Frank Seravalli reporting that the Flames have put a massive offer on the table for Johnny Hockey:

Quote:

@frank_seravalli - My sense is #Flames have put an offer on the table for Johnny Gaudreau - north of $10 mil x 8 years - that would make him not only highest-paid player in Calgary franchise history, but among richest in #NHL.

If Gaudreau walks, it likely won't be because of money.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/15469075315654656 04?s=20&t=-jAV99n7oUDB36qhtIistg

That's a big ticket. Probably makes the Flames better for the next 2-3 years, but after that it becomes pretty hard for Gaudreau to provide that type of value.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/15470125265961369 63?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547 012526596136963%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A %2F%2Fforum.calgarypuck.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D188803

Little Johnny says goodbye to Calgary.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810376 is a reply to message #810372 ]	Tue, 12 July 2022 19:16

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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 18:23

Goose wrote on Tue, 12 July 2022 18:20

Frank Seravalli reporting that the Flames have put a massive offer on the table for Johnny Hockey:

Quote:

@frank_seravalli - My sense is #Flames have put an offer on the table for Johnny Gaudreau - north of $10 mil x 8 years - that would make him not only highest-paid player in Calgary franchise history, but among richest in #NHL.

If Gaudreau walks, it likely won't be because of money.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/15469075315654656 04?s=20&t=-jAV99n7oUDB36qhtIistg

That's a big ticket. Probably makes the Flames better for the next 2-3 years, but after that it becomes pretty hard for Gaudreau to provide that type of value.

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/15470125265961369 63?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1547 012526596136963%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A %2F%2Fforum.calgarypuck.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D188803

Little Johnny says goodbye to Calgary.

Was it ever in doubt? Lames probably need to go to 12Mx8 for johnny to give up the dream he has been teasing for years.

Time for the lames to go full rebuild again? Or do they throw all the money at rat boy to keep the fans from rioting?

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810494 is a reply to message #810376 ]	Wed, 13 July 2022 13:01

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Holland is having a day!

Got Campbell. He was one of the 2 best goalies. Money and term more than I would like but there was little to pick from. He addressed a huge hole and I feel the Oilers are better at goal.

Signs Kane. When you look at the deals Rakkel, Giroux, Burakovsky, Marchment got, his deal looks like a steal.

Kulak was great for the Oilers and they needed him back. Then when you compare that to what Gubranson and Chariot got. Again looks like a steal.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810540 is a reply to message #810494 ]	Wed, 13 July 2022 17:44

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Any way to unload Foegle and sign Strome?

And how about someone to take Barrie and get either Provorov or Chychrun?

Nurse - Ceci
Provorov/Chychrun - Bouchard
Broberg/Niemelainen - Kulak

That would be pretty damned good.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810571 is a reply to message #810540 ]	Thu, 14 July 2022 08:22

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The one thing I would ask about Strome is where would he play? I assume the Oilers top 6 would have the following guys in it, in some combination:

Kane, McD, Leon, Hyman, Nuge. Then one of Yamo or JP assuming JP isn't traded.

I don't pretend to know a ton about Strome's game but from what I have heard and read, he doesn't sound like a guy who would excel as a 3rd liner.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810576 is a reply to message #808867 ]	Thu, 14 July 2022 11:18

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There is less money than I thought now.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers

That covers only 8 forwards, 7 D, and 2 G.

1.32M cap space + 6.37M LTIR = 7.69M to spend on the 3 RFAs (Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, McLeod) and probably 3 more forwards.

Assume Holloway (0.925M) makes the team and that leaves 6.76M on 5 players.

So they have to go bargain bin hunting for at least 2 players, but it pretty much has to less than 1M. I'd like them to also find equal pay replacements for Koekkoek (0.925M) and Shore (0.850M). They are on the cap now, but should be replaced and buried IMO.

Clean house or bust

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810577 is a reply to message #810576 ]	Thu, 14 July 2022 11:26

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I'll go back to it over and over. Buyouts are the absolutely worst solution for dealing with a problem. 3.4 million on Sekera and Neal this year is so crippling. Then two more years of Neal for 1.9.

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Re: 2022/23 Season - Your Transaction Lists [message #810684 is a reply to message #810577 ]	Mon, 18 July 2022 09:42

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One thing that is puzzling to me is I am starting to see people talking about bringing back Gagner. I have nothing against the guy but WHY? He's a good dude which is nice. But other than making it so some fans can pull out their old Gagner jerseys and a few others to feel good, I don't see a fit. I know he had a bounce back year for a bad Wings team which is great but he's a 4th liner on the Oilers at best.
Ideally their 4th line has guys who can forecheck a bit, maybe have a little size, maybe throw an occasional hit but most importantly skate really, be good in your know end and maybe once in a while chip in a goal but given the 4th line probably won't get a ton of ice time, scoring is probably last on that list of importance for me. Ideally the center would be a right shot who can win draws, bonus points if he kills penalties. Unless Gagner has dramatically improved, I don't think Gagner is a defensively specialist. He's never been fast, he's got a career 45.6% on drawings and at 32 is getting slower. I think he's done some PK but not a lot. He can maybe score some. So he's not checking a lot of boxes here.

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