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Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798427]	Thu, 27 January 2022 10:47

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https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/report-coyotes-working- deal-play-5000-seat-arena-asu/

Coyotes further entrenching as the league welfare team for the forseeable future. Bettman's support of this ongoing fiasco is his legacy. I wonder what the tally of NHL dollars is into this void since the move from Winnipeg?

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798428 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 10:57

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they really should lean HARD into the signage that the arena is air conditioned and the game is played on ICE. Maybe that gets more of Arizona interested.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798431 is a reply to message #798428 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 11:29

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 10:57

they really should lean HARD into the signage that the arena is air conditioned and the game is played on ICE. Maybe that gets more of Arizona interested.

A 5000 seat NHL game though... That would be dope. Smaller than whatever the Red Deer Centrium is called now.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798432 is a reply to message #798431 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 11:33

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 11:29

Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 10:57

they really should lean HARD into the signage that the arena is air conditioned and the game is played on ICE. Maybe that gets more of Arizona interested.

A 5000 seat NHL game though... That would be dope. Smaller than whatever the Red Deer Centrium is called now.

I'm sure the Coyotes can command a solid $20 a seat as well!

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798433 is a reply to message #798432 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 11:48

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and that's $20 AMERICAN. whooo.

although there are some Oilers games you can pick up for $17 Canadian right now...

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798441 is a reply to message #798432 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 13:10

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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 11:33

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 11:29

Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 10:57

they really should lean HARD into the signage that the arena is air conditioned and the game is played on ICE. Maybe that gets more of Arizona interested.

A 5000 seat NHL game though... That would be dope. Smaller than whatever the Red Deer Centrium is called now.

I'm sure the Coyotes can command a solid $20 a seat as well!

Let's see...

$20 *41 games * 5000 seats = $4.1 million. Easy money

Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 11:48

and that's $20 AMERICAN. whooo.

although there are some Oilers games you can pick up for $17 Canadian right now...

Like tonight's!

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798460 is a reply to message #798441 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 15:40

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Phoenix doesn't really need to sell alot of tickets. They get the majority of their revenue through being in the 12 largest TV market in the US. A move to a smaller arena might actually be a net gain for them.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798463 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 15:48

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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 09:47

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/report-coyotes-working- deal-play-5000-seat-arena-asu/

Coyotes further entrenching as the league welfare team for the forseeable future. Bettman's support of this ongoing fiasco is his legacy. I wonder what the tally of NHL dollars is into this void since the move from Winnipeg?

Bettman musta invested in real estate there 10 years ago.. he's a stubborn one

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798486 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 17:32

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Will be nice to see a full house for Arizona games in Arizona!

Unless they try to make up the difference by increasing ticket prices. Then probably not full still.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798495 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 18:45

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I find it funny how the league pushed back the Kane news in hopes it overshadows this absolutely terrible news

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798549 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 22:55

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Question: Since this is a revenue sharing venture between the NHLPA and the owners.. how does Arizona get to purposely restrict their attendance (i.e revenue) to 5,000 for THREE years?

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798551 is a reply to message #798549 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 23:00

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 22:55

Question: Since this is a revenue sharing venture between the NHLPA and the owners.. how does Arizona get to purposely restrict their attendance (i.e revenue) to 5,000 for THREE years?

Valid point. I would imagine they would be saving some cash on rent and I mean they only get a couple K of fans as is so will it be much different than current?

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798553 is a reply to message #798551 ]	Thu, 27 January 2022 23:12

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 22:00

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 22:55

Question: Since this is a revenue sharing venture between the NHLPA and the owners.. how does Arizona get to purposely restrict their attendance (i.e revenue) to 5,000 for THREE years?

Valid point. I would imagine they would be saving some cash on rent and I mean they only get a couple K of fans as is so will it be much different than current?

Well I guess they're basically saying we have no hope of getting more than 5,000 fans, and we'll lose LESS money.. 5,000 is less than a WHL game.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798559 is a reply to message #798553 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 08:40

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 23:12

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 22:00

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 27 January 2022 22:55

Question: Since this is a revenue sharing venture between the NHLPA and the owners.. how does Arizona get to purposely restrict their attendance (i.e revenue) to 5,000 for THREE years?

Valid point. I would imagine they would be saving some cash on rent and I mean they only get a couple K of fans as is so will it be much different than current?

Well I guess they're basically saying we have no hope of getting more than 5,000 fans, and we'll lose LESS money.. 5,000 is less than a WHL game.

There's no end to the amount of NHL rope for the Phoenix area as viable for a franchise, and clearly the owner is not accountable for the way they operate. It's a mockery.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798563 is a reply to message #798559 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 09:24

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COME ONE!! This is getting to be flat out embarrassing. This is the equivalent to and NFL team announcing they are playing their games at a high end highschool stadium. If you want people to take your league seriously, you can't let this happen.

MOVE THEM!!!

How can the rest of the owners be OK with this? There is money from other teams propping these guys up for years, now you have downgraded any revenue potential even more. When do the players say something! They are 50-50 supposedly. They are in debt to the owners thanks to Covid. This is money coming right out of their pockets.

What a joke.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798569 is a reply to message #798563 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 12:53

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 09:24

COME ONE!! This is getting to be flat out embarrassing. This is the equivalent to and NFL team announcing they are playing their games at a high end highschool stadium. If you want people to take your league seriously, you can't let this happen.

MOVE THEM!!!

How can the rest of the owners be OK with this? There is money from other teams propping these guys up for years, now you have downgraded any revenue potential even more. When do the players say something! They are 50-50 supposedly. They are in debt to the owners thanks to Covid. This is money coming right out of their pockets.

What a joke.

So, assuming that Bettman is never moving them, I can see a longer benefit here. Games held on the campus are going to be attended by students. Fun atmosphere, but also potentially building a stronger fan base as they graduate over the next four years. In the meantime, maybe a new option emerges for an arena in a more logical location?

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798588 is a reply to message #798569 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 16:28

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 12:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 09:24

COME ONE!! This is getting to be flat out embarrassing. This is the equivalent to and NFL team announcing they are playing their games at a high end highschool stadium. If you want people to take your league seriously, you can't let this happen.

MOVE THEM!!!

How can the rest of the owners be OK with this? There is money from other teams propping these guys up for years, now you have downgraded any revenue potential even more. When do the players say something! They are 50-50 supposedly. They are in debt to the owners thanks to Covid. This is money coming right out of their pockets.

What a joke.

So, assuming that Bettman is never moving them, I can see a longer benefit here. Games held on the campus are going to be attended by students. Fun atmosphere, but also potentially building a stronger fan base as they graduate over the next four years. In the meantime, maybe a new option emerges for an arena in a more logical location?

Supposedly the Coyotes average 11,575 at home games which I call BS on because there doesn't look to be that many in the seats. But even if that's true, they are cutting their attendance ability by more than 50%. Not to mention I would assume loss of suite rentals, potentially advertising for the stadium size.

No one will get mad at Bettman for not trying to save the Yotes. Pull the trigger.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798601 is a reply to message #798588 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 18:29

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 15:28

Supposedly the Coyotes average 11,575 at home games which I call BS on because there doesn't look to be that many in the seats. But even if that's true, they are cutting their attendance ability by more than 50%. Not to mention I would assume loss of suite rentals, potentially advertising for the stadium size.

No one will get mad at Bettman for not trying to save the Yotes. Pull the trigger.

That inflated number is probably season ticket sales, and only get half that showing up, which happens a lot of times with pro sports teams, team sucks season ticket holders stay home.
But at least the team (league) gets the revenue.

What they are doing though with their latest plan is limiting their total season ticket sales to 5,000, instead of the potential 17,125 they could sell now. Doesn't look like it makes a lot of financial sense, unless its a bluff.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798570 is a reply to message #798563 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 13:22

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 09:24

COME ONE!! This is getting to be flat out embarrassing. This is the equivalent to and NFL team announcing they are playing their games at a high end highschool stadium. If you want people to take your league seriously, you can't let this happen.

MOVE THEM!!!

How can the rest of the owners be OK with this? There is money from other teams propping these guys up for years, now you have downgraded any revenue potential even more. When do the players say something! They are 50-50 supposedly. They are in debt to the owners thanks to Covid. This is money coming right out of their pockets.

What a joke.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798572 is a reply to message #798570 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 13:30

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we'd love it, but it's too small a market. I think I heard that Houston would be the most likely IF the team ever was to be relocated.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798583 is a reply to message #798572 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 15:46

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 12:30

we'd love it, but it's too small a market. I think I heard that Houston would be the most likely IF the team ever was to be relocated.

I've heard Houston as well, its what Bettman wants another US team.
Regardless, the Nordiques in Q City will work, they'd continuously sell out like the the Habs, but there is definitely an NHL bias against it, not sure where it stems from. If Winnipeg can support a team, so could Q City.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 15:46

Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 12:30

we'd love it, but it's too small a market. I think I heard that Houston would be the most likely IF the team ever was to be relocated.

I've heard Houston as well, its what Bettman wants another US team.
Regardless, the Nordiques in Q City will work, they'd continuously sell out like the the Habs, but there is definitely an NHL bias against it, not sure where it stems from. If Winnipeg can support a team, so could Q City.

Only so many French speaking GMs available.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798594 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 17:14

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What. A. Joke. The NHL continues to define itself as "Not necessarily Major League" with ridiculous teams in ludicrous places. Contraction (preferred) or relocation is a must for this franchise.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #798597 is a reply to message #798594 ]	Fri, 28 January 2022 17:56

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The issue with the attendance isnt the fans. The Arena is located 20 miles outside Phoenix, the traffic is horrendous and if you take public transportation it will take an hour and 45 minutes one way to get there. In addition, there is, quite literally, one way in and one way out of the stadium. This is mainly a problem due to the insanely difficult parking situation. It is one of the main complaints of the stadium. Coyotes fans have to deal with this and the high prices to park.

Another issue affecting attendance is the through-the-roof prices for food and beverages. One anonymous user on Google reviews mentions that “[you can buy] two margaritas for $45.” Going to an expensive margarita joint would be half of the price of that. It’s hard to get people to come to the stadium when you have to sell an entire hockey franchise to buy a burger and some fries.

This is the fault of mis-management, not the fans.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #799799 is a reply to message #798597 ]	Tue, 15 February 2022 08:45

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 17:56

The issue with the attendance isnt the fans. The Arena is located 20 miles outside Phoenix, the traffic is horrendous and if you take public transportation it will take an hour and 45 minutes one way to get there. In addition, there is, quite literally, one way in and one way out of the stadium. This is mainly a problem due to the insanely difficult parking situation. It is one of the main complaints of the stadium. Coyotes fans have to deal with this and the high prices to park.

Another issue affecting attendance is the through-the-roof prices for food and beverages. One anonymous user on Google reviews mentions that “[you can buy] two margaritas for $45.” Going to an expensive margarita joint would be half of the price of that. It’s hard to get people to come to the stadium when you have to sell an entire hockey franchise to buy a burger and some fries.

This is the fault of mis-management, not the fans.

I think this is why the league continues to have hockey in Arizona. There's a market there.

Before the NHL came, the Phoenix Roadrunners were the best draw in the IHL by a long long ways. They were selling out the downtown arena for minor hockey. It seemed like a slam dunk to put an NHL team there - but the management has been horrific. The team was used as bait by a developer who just wanted to build a mall in Glendale. He immediately flipped the team the second the mall was built. They also have sucked for almost the whole time they've been in Arizona. They made the playoffs in 5 of their first seasons (the Roenick/Khabibulin era) and then just 4 times out of the next 18 years - and of those, 3 were in a row in 2009-12. Other than that little blip, they've just been awful forever. They've only been past the Division Semi-Finals once in their entire history.

At some point people question whether they want to cheer for a loser, and it's even easier to ignore them if you can't get to the stadium.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #799837 is a reply to message #799799 ]	Tue, 15 February 2022 14:42

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Adam wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 10:45

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 17:56

The issue with the attendance isnt the fans. The Arena is located 20 miles outside Phoenix, the traffic is horrendous and if you take public transportation it will take an hour and 45 minutes one way to get there. In addition, there is, quite literally, one way in and one way out of the stadium. This is mainly a problem due to the insanely difficult parking situation. It is one of the main complaints of the stadium. Coyotes fans have to deal with this and the high prices to park.

Another issue affecting attendance is the through-the-roof prices for food and beverages. One anonymous user on Google reviews mentions that “[you can buy] two margaritas for $45.” Going to an expensive margarita joint would be half of the price of that. It’s hard to get people to come to the stadium when you have to sell an entire hockey franchise to buy a burger and some fries.

This is the fault of mis-management, not the fans.

I think this is why the league continues to have hockey in Arizona. There's a market there.

Before the NHL came, the Phoenix Roadrunners were the best draw in the IHL by a long long ways. They were selling out the downtown arena for minor hockey. It seemed like a slam dunk to put an NHL team there - but the management has been horrific. The team was used as bait by a developer who just wanted to build a mall in Glendale. He immediately flipped the team the second the mall was built. They also have sucked for almost the whole time they've been in Arizona. They made the playoffs in 5 of their first seasons (the Roenick/Khabibulin era) and then just 4 times out of the next 18 years - and of those, 3 were in a row in 2009-12. Other than that little blip, they've just been awful forever. They've only been past the Division Semi-Finals once in their entire history.

At some point people question whether they want to cheer for a loser, and it's even easier to ignore them if you can't get to the stadium.

You guys are 100% right. I lived in Phoenix for 3 years and went to a hand full of Coyotes games. At the price of their tickets though if they had played downtown where the Suns played, or over in Tempe where they are going to now, I probably would have gone to 10-12 games instead of 3-4 per season. That doesn't seem like a lot more, but I knew a lot of hockey fans that felt the same way.

And as far as TV ratings, when your team sucks do you turn on the game much? Not bringing in many new fans either. Before I lived in Phoenix I always felt like the team should move, but spending a few years there I am firmly in the camp that it is a market that can work with the right people in charge of it.

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oilfan94 wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 14:42

Adam wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 10:45

Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 17:56

The issue with the attendance isnt the fans. The Arena is located 20 miles outside Phoenix, the traffic is horrendous and if you take public transportation it will take an hour and 45 minutes one way to get there. In addition, there is, quite literally, one way in and one way out of the stadium. This is mainly a problem due to the insanely difficult parking situation. It is one of the main complaints of the stadium. Coyotes fans have to deal with this and the high prices to park.

Another issue affecting attendance is the through-the-roof prices for food and beverages. One anonymous user on Google reviews mentions that “[you can buy] two margaritas for $45.” Going to an expensive margarita joint would be half of the price of that. It’s hard to get people to come to the stadium when you have to sell an entire hockey franchise to buy a burger and some fries.

This is the fault of mis-management, not the fans.

I think this is why the league continues to have hockey in Arizona. There's a market there.

Before the NHL came, the Phoenix Roadrunners were the best draw in the IHL by a long long ways. They were selling out the downtown arena for minor hockey. It seemed like a slam dunk to put an NHL team there - but the management has been horrific. The team was used as bait by a developer who just wanted to build a mall in Glendale. He immediately flipped the team the second the mall was built. They also have sucked for almost the whole time they've been in Arizona. They made the playoffs in 5 of their first seasons (the Roenick/Khabibulin era) and then just 4 times out of the next 18 years - and of those, 3 were in a row in 2009-12. Other than that little blip, they've just been awful forever. They've only been past the Division Semi-Finals once in their entire history.

At some point people question whether they want to cheer for a loser, and it's even easier to ignore them if you can't get to the stadium.

You guys are 100% right. I lived in Phoenix for 3 years and went to a hand full of Coyotes games. At the price of their tickets though if they had played downtown where the Suns played, or over in Tempe where they are going to now, I probably would have gone to 10-12 games instead of 3-4 per season. That doesn't seem like a lot more, but I knew a lot of hockey fans that felt the same way.

And as far as TV ratings, when your team sucks do you turn on the game much? Not bringing in many new fans either. Before I lived in Phoenix I always felt like the team should move, but spending a few years there I am firmly in the camp that it is a market that can work with the right people in charge of it.

Exactly! location, location, location! It would be like us fans always having to drive to Leduc for a game.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #817049 is a reply to message #816954 ]	Fri, 20 January 2023 10:30

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Fri, 28 January 2022 17:56

The issue with the attendance isnt the fans. The Arena is located 20 miles outside Phoenix, the traffic is horrendous and if you take public transportation it will take an hour and 45 minutes one way to get there. In addition, there is, quite literally, one way in and one way out of the stadium. This is mainly a problem due to the insanely difficult parking situation. It is one of the main complaints of the stadium. Coyotes fans have to deal with this and the high prices to park.

Another issue affecting attendance is the through-the-roof prices for food and beverages. One anonymous user on Google reviews mentions that “[you can buy] two margaritas for $45.” Going to an expensive margarita joint would be half of the price of that. It’s hard to get people to come to the stadium when you have to sell an entire hockey franchise to buy a burger and some fries.

This is the fault of mis-management, not the fans.

I think this is why the league continues to have hockey in Arizona. There's a market there.

Before the NHL came, the Phoenix Roadrunners were the best draw in the IHL by a long long ways. They were selling out the downtown arena for minor hockey. It seemed like a slam dunk to put an NHL team there - but the management has been horrific. The team was used as bait by a developer who just wanted to build a mall in Glendale. He immediately flipped the team the second the mall was built. They also have sucked for almost the whole time they've been in Arizona. They made the playoffs in 5 of their first seasons (the Roenick/Khabibulin era) and then just 4 times out of the next 18 years - and of those, 3 were in a row in 2009-12. Other than that little blip, they've just been awful forever. They've only been past the Division Semi-Finals once in their entire history.

At some point people question whether they want to cheer for a loser, and it's even easier to ignore them if you can't get to the stadium.

You guys are 100% right. I lived in Phoenix for 3 years and went to a hand full of Coyotes games. At the price of their tickets though if they had played downtown where the Suns played, or over in Tempe where they are going to now, I probably would have gone to 10-12 games instead of 3-4 per season. That doesn't seem like a lot more, but I knew a lot of hockey fans that felt the same way.

And as far as TV ratings, when your team sucks do you turn on the game much? Not bringing in many new fans either. Before I lived in Phoenix I always felt like the team should move, but spending a few years there I am firmly in the camp that it is a market that can work with the right people in charge of it.

Exactly! location, location, location! It would be like us fans always having to drive to Leduc for a game.

Actually with traffic it's more like driving through another city between the two to get to Leduc.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #799738 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Mon, 14 February 2022 18:10

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 February 2022 18:10

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So while I agree it isn't a viable longterm solution, I'm seriously considering hitting an Oilers game here. Phoenix is perfect weather for Albertans in the winter and the game experience will be one of a kind.

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 14 February 2022 22:36

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 14 February 2022 18:10

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So while I agree it isn't a viable longterm solution, I'm seriously considering hitting an Oilers game here. Phoenix is perfect weather for Albertans in the winter and the game experience will be one of a kind.

It should provide an intimate experience that the NHL isn’t too well known for.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #799774 is a reply to message #799771 ]	Mon, 14 February 2022 22:54

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It's not a bad marketing strategy. They can't sell a lot of tickets at a high price like major markets. So why not focus on a boutique strategy? It's worked for other team who tarp over upper decks to reduce capacity and increase demand. This is something the Elks should absolutely do. The Coyotes have just been forced to an extreme version of this because they built their barn in a place people don't go and they couldn't pay their rent. I'd love to see an NHL game in a 5000 seat rink, I've never had that experience before. If I wanted to see a questionable team in a half empty rink, I'd just wait for a Tuesday night in Edmonton.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #799793 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Tue, 15 February 2022 07:46

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I shake my head at Bettman who's been very vocal about the lost revenue of temporarily half empty or empty arenas, but then argues that moving a team to a rink with a capacity of 5000 is a great idea.

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #799797 is a reply to message #799793 ]	Tue, 15 February 2022 08:33

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The Centrium in Red Deer holds 7500 and even has a bunch of boxes. I bet they could sell that place out every night.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 08:33

The Centrium in Red Deer holds 7500 and even has a bunch of boxes. I bet they could sell that place out every night.

Probably. What's the tv revenue going to be like?

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 08:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 08:33

The Centrium in Red Deer holds 7500 and even has a bunch of boxes. I bet they could sell that place out every night.

Probably. What's the tv revenue going to be like?

What's the difference, does anyone watch in Arizona? They have been in Arizona since 1996 and it sure doesn't look like very many people watch them so I bet RD could get better ratings.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 09:03

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 08:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 15 February 2022 08:33

The Centrium in Red Deer holds 7500 and even has a bunch of boxes. I bet they could sell that place out every night.

Probably. What's the tv revenue going to be like?

What's the difference, does anyone watch in Arizona? They have been in Arizona since 1996 and it sure doesn't look like very many people watch them so I bet RD could get better ratings.

Great point. A quick google search shows a bad Arizona season gets a .4 tv rating (~7500 households) in Phoenix. Red Deer could beat that no problem. Let's bring the coyotes north!

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Re: Coyotes looking at 3-4 year deal in 5000 seat bldg [message #813217 is a reply to message #798427 ]	Fri, 28 October 2022 22:49

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Imagine if Arizona was any good and there was a risk the Stanley Cup would have to be awarded there :)

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