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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:56

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:20 I hope it's some kind of false positive. JP had one last year. The hockey gods are really piling on the Oilers. Taking away 4 of your 6 best dman all at once is pretty tough. Four of the best seven...Keith and Koekkoek are worse than Broberg... I knew a comment like this was coming. 15-5 in the first 20 but still tearing them down. Whatever gets you off I guess.

This isn't tearing them down, it's just an accurate assessment of what they actually bring. I've seen a fair bit from Broberg to be happy about in the first few games.

You should be hoping that continues and he does move way up the depth chart so that people stop mentioning Zegras and others we could have had...

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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:56 Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:20 I hope it's some kind of false positive. JP had one last year. The hockey gods are really piling on the Oilers. Taking away 4 of your 6 best dman all at once is pretty tough. Four of the best seven...Keith and Koekkoek are worse than Broberg... I knew a comment like this was coming. 15-5 in the first 20 but still tearing them down. Whatever gets you off I guess. This isn't tearing them down, it's just an accurate assessment of what they actually bring. I've seen a fair bit from Broberg to be happy about in the first few games. You should be hoping that continues and he does move way up the depth chart so that people stop mentioning Zegras and others we could have had...

I don't take much stock in what the arm chair GM's sitting at their computers say. At just over 20 being 6'3, 199 so he hasn't even finished filling out yet so he will probably end up being 210 in a year or 2. I'll take a big, skates like the wind, puck moving, at minimum 20 min a night dman who will probably impact all aspects of your teams game over an undersized maybe 60 pt forward if you are lucky any day.

My hope for Broberg was in a year from now, he'd be on the team full time, knocking Koekkoek down to the 7th and at some point take over the second pairing job from Keith as he finishes his contract. If Broberg can do that earlier, all the better.

[Updated on: Tue, 30 November 2021 12:57]

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:55

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:22 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:56 Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:20 I hope it's some kind of false positive. JP had one last year. The hockey gods are really piling on the Oilers. Taking away 4 of your 6 best dman all at once is pretty tough. Four of the best seven...Keith and Koekkoek are worse than Broberg... I knew a comment like this was coming. 15-5 in the first 20 but still tearing them down. Whatever gets you off I guess. This isn't tearing them down, it's just an accurate assessment of what they actually bring. I've seen a fair bit from Broberg to be happy about in the first few games. You should be hoping that continues and he does move way up the depth chart so that people stop mentioning Zegras and others we could have had... I don't take much stock in what the arm chair GM's sitting at their computers say. At just over 20 being 6'3, 199 so he hasn't even finished filling out yet so he will probably end up being 210 in a year or 2. I'll take a big, skates like the wind, puck moving, at minimum 20 min a night dman who will probably impact all aspects of your teams game over an undersized maybe 60 pt forward if you are lucky any day. My hope for Broberg was in a year from now, he'd be on the team full time, knocking Koekkoek down to the 7th and at some point take over the second pairing job from Keith as he finishes his contract. If Broberg can do that earlier, all the better.

Are we not all armchair GM's? You just GM'd the crap out of that Zegras analysis. Take a breath good sir. We are all the same. Some of us just have thicker skin.

[Updated on: Tue, 30 November 2021 13:23]

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 13:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:55 Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:22 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:56 Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:20 I hope it's some kind of false positive. JP had one last year. The hockey gods are really piling on the Oilers. Taking away 4 of your 6 best dman all at once is pretty tough. Four of the best seven...Keith and Koekkoek are worse than Broberg... I knew a comment like this was coming. 15-5 in the first 20 but still tearing them down. Whatever gets you off I guess. This isn't tearing them down, it's just an accurate assessment of what they actually bring. I've seen a fair bit from Broberg to be happy about in the first few games. You should be hoping that continues and he does move way up the depth chart so that people stop mentioning Zegras and others we could have had... I don't take much stock in what the arm chair GM's sitting at their computers say. At just over 20 being 6'3, 199 so he hasn't even finished filling out yet so he will probably end up being 210 in a year or 2. I'll take a big, skates like the wind, puck moving, at minimum 20 min a night dman who will probably impact all aspects of your teams game over an undersized maybe 60 pt forward if you are lucky any day. My hope for Broberg was in a year from now, he'd be on the team full time, knocking Koekkoek down to the 7th and at some point take over the second pairing job from Keith as he finishes his contract. If Broberg can do that earlier, all the better. Are we not all armchair GM's? You just GM'd the crap out of that Zegras analysis. Take a breath good sir. We are all the same. Some of us just have thicker skin.

How did I GM the crap out of Zegras?

He's 6'0, 173 lbs at 20. So he's not tall and as he fills out, what will he top in at 185? So he's not big nor will he be.

I could have missed it but I don't remember anyone talking about Zegras as a generational talent. The scouting reports I have found listed him as the potential to be an "elite 2 way forward. So what's decent production for a top 6 player? 50-60 pts like I said. He wasn't as hyped like Eichel was. Eichel coming out of college was considered elite. I looked up his stats and Eichel had 71 pts. Zegras's year he had 36. When health Eichel is a point per game player, maybe around 90.

[Updated on: Tue, 30 November 2021 15:13]

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:56

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:20 I hope it's some kind of false positive. JP had one last year. The hockey gods are really piling on the Oilers. Taking away 4 of your 6 best dman all at once is pretty tough. Four of the best seven...Keith and Koekkoek are worse than Broberg... I knew a comment like this was coming. 15-5 in the first 20 but still tearing them down. Whatever gets you off I guess.

And 2-0 without them. How many wins do you think Keith is responsible for as an Oiler?

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 14:28

Goose wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:18 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:56 Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:20 I hope it's some kind of false positive. JP had one last year. The hockey gods are really piling on the Oilers. Taking away 4 of your 6 best dman all at once is pretty tough. Four of the best seven...Keith and Koekkoek are worse than Broberg... I knew a comment like this was coming. 15-5 in the first 20 but still tearing them down. Whatever gets you off I guess. And 2-0 without them. How many wins do you think Keith is responsible for as an Oiler? How am I supposed to figure that out in all seriousness? He's not being asked to QB the PP or play 30 mins a night or anchor the Oilers defense. He's been asked to play second pairing mins. Which he's done reasonably well. The Oilers ran one of Lagesson, Russell or Jones as their second pairing dman last year. In my opinion, he's an upgrade on all of them. Just my opinion but I don't think a team goes 13-5 if your second pairing left shot dman is horrible.

We'll agree to disagree there then. I don't think he's done reasonably well at all, and I think a team can definitely go 13-5 if their 2nd pairing defenceman is horrible when their PP is operating at nearly 50% and they have one of the best PK's in the league.

ETA: but my point is really, if you're going to use the team record to show Keith's value, the Oilers are undefeated without him.

[Updated on: Tue, 30 November 2021 15:41]

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 14:51

Goose wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:38 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 14:28 Goose wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:18 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:56 Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:58 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 09:20 I hope it's some kind of false positive. JP had one last year. The hockey gods are really piling on the Oilers. Taking away 4 of your 6 best dman all at once is pretty tough. Four of the best seven...Keith and Koekkoek are worse than Broberg... I knew a comment like this was coming. 15-5 in the first 20 but still tearing them down. Whatever gets you off I guess. And 2-0 without them. How many wins do you think Keith is responsible for as an Oiler? How am I supposed to figure that out in all seriousness? He's not being asked to QB the PP or play 30 mins a night or anchor the Oilers defense. He's been asked to play second pairing mins. Which he's done reasonably well. The Oilers ran one of Lagesson, Russell or Jones as their second pairing dman last year. In my opinion, he's an upgrade on all of them. Just my opinion but I don't think a team goes 13-5 if your second pairing left shot dman is horrible. We'll agree to disagree there then. I don't think he's done reasonably well at all, and I think a team can definitely go 13-5 if their 2nd pairing defenceman is horrible when their PP is operating at nearly 50% and they have one of the best PK's in the league. ETA: but my point is really, if you're going to use the team record to show Keith's value, the Oilers are undefeated without him. I wasn't using the Oilers record as the only measuring stick for his value. All I said was when a team is 13-5, in my opinion it would be difficult to have that record if your second pairing, left shot dman plays horrible every game. The Oilers have a top 5 PK which he plays on. You are already down a man on the PK. if your one dman is a horrible player, in my opinion it would be difficult to have a good PK with Keith was a horrible player. In my opinion, I think the expectations of some differ from mine. I knew they weren't getting the Keith of 6 yrs ago. I was hoping they were getting a vet, left shot dman who could give them reasonable send pairing mins, play some PK, move the puck a little and bring some vet experience. So far I think he's done that. Has it been perfection? No but I don't think expecting perfection is a realistic ask.

lol, I definitely didn't come into this season expecting perfection from Keith. I also didn't say he was horrible, just that I disagree that he's done reasonably well. I don't think that he gives them good 2nd pair minutes and I don't think he's really contributed much overall to the team being 15-5 despite him playing 2 whole minutes a night on the PK . Given the cap that he eats up, that's not nearly good enough.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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[Updated on: Wed, 01 December 2021 05:31]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,