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Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794574]	Tue, 16 November 2021 20:30

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794578 is a reply to message #794574 ]	Tue, 16 November 2021 21:29

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Down early, not much scoring support, and the bottom 6 got caved in, along with a couple pairings on D. Koskinen makes 2-3 huge saves then lets in a couple from distance, high glove that he should stop. I checked the 3rd, couple for Leon on the PP, but a poor to mediocre effort throughout the lineup.

Did not expect this team to go sub-500 on this 5 game road trip. Disappointing.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794579 is a reply to message #794578 ]	Tue, 16 November 2021 21:36

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OMG! Kostawin is so awesome!
Eff that guy man

In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794584 is a reply to message #794578 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 00:20

Adam
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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 16 November 2021 21:29

The Bottom half of this team has been just dreadful. Ryan now is -10 and on the ice for 13 ESGA in 15 games. That's incredible. His line almost nullifies the positive impact of the Draisaitl line.

I suspect coaching is part of the problem and that the Oilers are asking the bottom six to take no chances and just try to protect the house with the idea that if they can break even, then the top six being as dynamic as they are gives us the wins. But it's a bad strategy - it's basically playing the defensive shell whenever they go on the ice, they get caved in and we aren't even close to breaking even. That's the only way I can figure it when the team continues to cycle in new guys in the Bottom 6, including some guys who were successful elsewhere and then they continue to faceplant no matter who we put in.

I'd try some new combos, but I'd also make sure that they know they have the green light to try to create offence too. I mean, they're generally playing against the other guys lesser lights, so they should have some opportunities.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794625 is a reply to message #794584 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 12:20

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 00:20

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 16 November 2021 21:29

We agree to agree on this. I don't understand how Perlini was on fire in the pre-season but gets lowest TOI in the regular season. Is there something about his game that I am missing? Is he really bad? I can't tell because we never see him after the halfway point of the game.

Thankfully the coaching has progressed beyond the stupidity of benching Yak because all he could do was snipe goals in on the powerplay and seeing the benefit of Drai doing the same. Goals is goals. And, no, Yak was NEVER going to be close to the player Drai is - my point is: you gotta score whenever and however you can or you spend a decade in the gutter.

Some teams have figured out that if they stay out of the penalty box, hit the Oilers aggressively, and play trap hockey, they have a good chance of winning. Shoot floaters at Mikko, zap the Oilers confidence, slow the game down and reap the rewards because there's no line support after the top two. At least bottom 6 is now a line problem for the team and not our place in the standings!!!

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794589 is a reply to message #794574 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 05:51

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794592 is a reply to message #794589 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 06:24

Mike
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 08:51

Koskinen v. Jets

Skinner looked decent though!

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794591 is a reply to message #794574 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 06:23

Skookum Jim
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For a guy making $9.25M you'd think Nurse could afford to quit his part time job delivering Domino pizzas..

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794596 is a reply to message #794591 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 08:58

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The Oilers need to have a couple of set plays where they shoot on Koskinen a couple of times early just to get whatever the hell goes through his mind on the first few shots. Another garbage goal on another early shot. He lets in a crap goal on one of the first few shots, then it's like a switch clicks and he can settle in. I don't get it. The Oilers defense has had the yips the last few games but it's got to be tough mentally when it's almost a given you are down 1-0 before the 5 min mark no matter what.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794599 is a reply to message #794574 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 09:25

Kr55
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Ryan rocking a .870 PDO now. Our goalies apparently hate him.

I hate so much how Dallas Eakins is right on our heels as we start to show a lot of inconsistency in how we play. Troy Terry 15 game point streak, eth? Getzlaf reborn? Make it stop

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794607 is a reply to message #794574 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 10:24

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Koskinen getting scored on non-NHL caliber shots boom

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794610 is a reply to message #794607 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 10:44

Dragon_Matt
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I think he needs to change his warm up. No more soft, 'let's get the guy ready' shots. His warm up has to be game time caliber shots.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794616 is a reply to message #794610 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 11:18

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 10:44

I think he needs to change his warm up. No more soft, 'let's get the guy ready' shots. His warm up has to be game time caliber shots.

With the entire team shooting multiple pucks at once..straight up firing range lol

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794619 is a reply to message #794616 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 11:31

Dragon_Matt
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GOLDBERG THE GOALIE!

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794623 is a reply to message #794574 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 12:07

Adam
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It's a few days late, but congrats to Stuart Skinner on climbing to 9th in all-time games played among Oilers drafted goalies:

1	1981	Grant Fuhr		868
2	1980	Andy Moog		713
3	2004	Devan Dubnyk		542
4	2001	Jussi Markkanen	128
5	2002	Jeff Drouins-Deslauriers 62
6	1998	Mike Morrison		29
7	1984	Daryl Reaugh		27
8	1992	Joaquin Gage		23
9	2017	Stuart Skinner		4
10	1986	Mike Greenlay 		2
11	1995	Mike Minard 		1
12	1999	Adam Hauser		1
13	1980	Rob Polman-Tuin	0
14	1982	Ian Wood 		        0
15	1983	Dave Roach 		0
16	1985	Brian Tessier		0
17	1985	John Haley		0
18	1987	Gavin Armstrong 	0
19	1988	Tom Cole		        0
20	1990	Greg Louder		0
21	1990	Mike Power		0
22	1991	Andrew Verner		0
23	1991	Evgeny Belosheiken	0
24	1994	Chris Wickenheiser	0
25	1994	Jeremy Jablonski	0
26	1996	John Hultberg		0
27	1997	Patrick Dovigi		0
28	1997	Alexander Fomitchev	0
29	1998	Kristian Antila		0
30	2002	Glenn Fisher		0
31	2004	Bjorn Bjurling		0
32	2006	Bryan Pitton		0
33	2009	Olivier Roy		        0
34	2010	Tyler Bunz		        0
35	2011	Samu Perhonen		0
36	2011	Frans Tuohimaa		0
37	2014	Zach Nagelvoort		0
38	2014	Keven Bouchard		0
39	2016	Dylan Wells		0
40	2018	Olivier Rodrigue		0
41	2019	Ilya Konovalov		0

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794627 is a reply to message #794623 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 12:55

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This will be called "old time thinking" but the jets played the Oilers like the did in the playoffs. Clog up the middle, frustrate the Oilers. Wait for them to make a mistake and bullied them around. The secret to slowing down McD is to frustrate him by banging him and it work. He even took a penalty against Pionk. The refs didn't call much.

The Oilers bottom 6 is
McLeod - Doesn't bang or hard to play against
Perlini - Doesn't bang or hard to play against
Turris - Doesn't bang or hard to play agaisnt
Ryan - Doesn't bang or hard to play against.
Benson when he is in - Doesnt bang or hard to play against.

The Jets banged McD, took liberties and it worked like a charm.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794630 is a reply to message #794627 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 13:08

Adam
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 12:55

"Bang or hard to play against" isn't really a thing. It's irrelevant. Some of these guys are hitting, but the bigger issue is that they're bleeding goals and not scoring any. That's all that actually is important. Doesn't matter how you do it, you just need to be better than the guys you're out against. If that involves a heavy forecheck where you rattle the boards, great. If you're playing a puck possession game that involves slowing the play down? Great. All that matters is outscoring.

Right now, of all the bottom sixers we've employed, only McLeod is even for plus/minus. Everyone else is negative, with some far in to the minuses now. The plan the Oilers have isn't working so it needs to be tweaked. I think putting in different guys is one tweak and Benson's got less looks than anyone and has a higher ceiling than Turris at this point.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794633 is a reply to message #794630 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 13:13

Kr55
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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 13:08

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 12:55

Our goaltending situation degrading is making the "non-offensive" lines be in a very vulnerable spot now. Goalies are letting in 1 out of 6 shots with Ryan on the ice. I have a hard time blaming any player for that kind of stuff happening. Any line that can't play defense by keeping the puck in the offensive zone as much as possible can get into big trouble now if nothing shots are gonna be goals. I do question what Tippett's approach is for the team as well, if non McDrai lines are told to play in all situation like the whole team plays with a lead, which is just terrible hockey.

Until the last few games Ryan was >50% in most metrics, but super low PDO because of sav%. That is taking a hard turn for even worse now with goaltending taking more of a dive.

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- Lowe, 2013

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- MacT, 2015

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794634 is a reply to message #794633 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 13:16

Adam
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 13:13

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 13:08

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 12:55

I wonder about the line matching too...It doesn't seem to me like we're getting lit up by other team's depth guys, so has Tippett been careless about putting the 4th line out against the top guys on other squads?

The PDO for Ryan definitely makes him look worse than he probably is. But I do think they're giving up a lot of quality looks too.

I think it's more than just personnel - because it's a persistent issue with different players.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794628 is a reply to message #794623 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 12:59

Dragon_Matt
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is that Oilers games played... or NHL games?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794631 is a reply to message #794628 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 13:09

Adam
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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 12:59

is that Oilers games played... or NHL games?

NHL games, although it doesn't change things much. The only one in the bottom half of the top ten who played way more games outside of Edmonton than in is Daryl Reaugh who only played 7 Oilers games.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794637 is a reply to message #794631 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 15:07

Dragon_Matt
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It highlights how terrible our goalie scouting has always been.
those numbers are pathetic.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794639 is a reply to message #794637 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 16:20

Adam
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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 15:07

It highlights how terrible our goalie scouting has always been.
those numbers are pathetic.

41 years, 41 goalies, 3 starters, 2 back-ups and a bunch of chumps (with Rodrigue, Skinner & Konovalov as exceptions as they are still young and have time to become starter #4).

Is that not good?

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794640 is a reply to message #794639 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 16:28

Dragon_Matt
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out of curiosity I looked a couple of other teams. Florida has 4 starters, blue jackets have 4 starters, Minnesota has 3, in Atlanta's short league tenure, they had 2.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794643 is a reply to message #794623 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 16:57

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I was curious, so I did the same analysis on a team that entered the league the same time as the Oilers (Hartford/Carolina) to see if they fared any better:

Goalie	Draft Year	NHL Games
Cam Ward	2002	701
JS Giguere	1995	596
Frederik Andersen	2010	404
Manny Legace	1993	365
Kay Whitmore	1985	155
Justin Peters	2004	83
Alex Nedeljokovic	2014	39
Darren Jensen	1980	30
Rob Zepp	2001	10
Mike Lenarduzzi	1990	4
Jeff Poeschl	1981	0
Jamie Falle	1983	0
Peter Abric	1984	0
Bill Horn	1986	0
Sean Evoy	1986	0
Steve Laurin	1987	0
Jason Currie	1991	0
Brian Regan	1994	0
Aaron Baker	1996	0
Chris Madden	1998	0
Antti Jokela	1999	0
Craig Kowalski	2000	0
Daniel Boisclair	2001	0
Daniel Manzato	2002	0
Kevin Nastiuk	2003	0
Mike Murphy	2008	0
Matt Mahalak	2011	0
Daniel Atshuller	2012	0
Collin Olson	2012	0
Callum Booth	2015	0
Jack Lafontaine	2016	0
Jeremy Helvig	2016	0
Eetu Makiniemi	2017	0
Jacob Kucharski	2018	0
Pyotr Kochetkov	2019	0
Patrik Hamrla	2021	0
Nikita Quapp	2021	0
Yegor Naumov	2021	0

Seems fairly similar to me. I don't think this is so much a poor reflection on the Oilers as the difficulty of drafting goalies in general.

Unless Hartford/Carolina are just as bad as drafting goalies as the Oilers and other teams would look better. Maybe I'll take a look someday.

[Updated on: Wed, 17 November 2021 17:49]

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794644 is a reply to message #794643 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 17:30

Adam
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benv wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 16:57

I was curious, so I did the same analysis on a team that entered the league the same time as the Oilers (Hartford/Carolina) to see if they fared any better:

Goalie	Draft Year	NHL Games
Kay Whitmore	1985	838
Cam Ward	2002	701
JS Giguere	1995	596
Frederik Andersen	2010	404
Manny Legace	1993	365
Justin Peters	2004	83
Alex Nedeljokovic	2014	39
Darren Jensen	1980	30
Rob Zepp	2001	10
Mike Lenarduzzi	1990	4
Jeff Poeschl	1981	0
Jamie Falle	1983	0
Peter Abric	1984	0
Bill Horn	1986	0
Sean Evoy	1986	0
Steve Laurin	1987	0
Jason Currie	1991	0
Brian Regan	1994	0
Aaron Baker	1996	0
Chris Madden	1998	0
Antti Jokela	1999	0
Craig Kowalski	2000	0
Daniel Boisclair	2001	0
Daniel Manzato	2002	0
Kevin Nastiuk	2003	0
Mike Murphy	2008	0
Matt Mahalak	2011	0
Daniel Atshuller	2012	0
Collin Olson	2012	0
Callum Booth	2015	0
Jack Lafontaine	2016	0
Jeremy Helvig	2016	0
Eetu Makiniemi	2017	0
Jacob Kucharski	2018	0
Pyotr Kochetkov	2019	0
Patrik Hamrla	2021	0
Nikita Quapp	2021	0
Yegor Naumov	2021	0

Seems fairly similar to me. I don't think this is so much a poor reflection on the Oilers as the difficulty of drafting goalies in general.
Unless Hartford/Carolina are just as bad as drafting goalies as the Oilers and other teams would look better. Maybe I'll take a look someday.

I don't know - Skinner's appearance last night was the 2400th by a goalie the Oilers drafted. Eyeballing that Whalers/Hurricanes list, it looks like they're over 3000 - so that's pretty significant. That's a full 7.5 seasons more out of goalies they drafted. More guys who've gone a lot longer too.

I will say, it's more complicated than that simple analysis because if you have Fuhr and Moog, you're probably not prioritizing goalies as much in the draft, so spending later picks on them. Our first round goalie picks are 2/2 for becoming starters. Also, if you have a Martin Brodeur in your net, you're less likely to give goalies opportunities, which may stagnate some guys that otherwise had a chance to be NHLers. It's a funny position because there's so few places for them to play and to be successful, you can't really have much time where you're not taking a lot of games in the crease. A couple years as a back-up in the AHL can kill your progression.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794645 is a reply to message #794644 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 17:48

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Just realized I had Kay Whitmore at 838 games, but it should have been 155 (I knew it seemed high). So that puts them about even.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794646 is a reply to message #794645 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 17:51

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benv wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 17:48

Just realized I had Kay Whitmore at 838 games, but it should have been 155 (I knew it seemed high). So that puts them about even.

Makes more sense. I was a little surprised to see he'd played that much!

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794650 is a reply to message #794574 ]	Wed, 17 November 2021 22:43

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Jason Gregor:

https://oilersnation.com/2021/11/17/id-start-stuart-skinner- tomorrow/

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Courtesy of Clear Sight Analytics Koskinen is 19th in goals saved at +3.47 on the season, but the past five starts that has dropped. Where he suffers most is on low% goals. He has allowed seven this season, which is tied for 2nd most in the NHL. Allowing seven weak goals in 10 starts is simply too many.

To me, Skinner is already on par with Koskinen and he will have a higher ceiling. He’s the future, just looking at Koski’s 9-2 record and saying he’s like the Grant Fuhr of this generation is just setting the Oilers up for failure.

Koskinen gets such a huge leash compared to Smith and I’m never sure why. Imagine if it was Smith with the 9-2 record but has performed like Koski in the past 5 games? The sky would be falling.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794653 is a reply to message #794650 ]	Thu, 18 November 2021 06:11

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 18 November 2021 01:43

Jason Gregor:

https://oilersnation.com/2021/11/17/id-start-stuart-skinner- tomorrow/

Quote:

I would absolutely go with Skinner tonight. Worst case, there's not much of a drop off. Best case, he improves and becomes a solid starter for us. Other than the puck mishandling mishap, he hasn't really let in a bad goal. His positioning is good, his puck handling is good, his reflexes are good. Only glaring thing I see he needs to work on is rebound control, but even that it not bad.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794654 is a reply to message #794653 ]	Thu, 18 November 2021 07:40

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Mike wrote on Thu, 18 November 2021 07:11

WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 18 November 2021 01:43

Jason Gregor:

https://oilersnation.com/2021/11/17/id-start-stuart-skinner- tomorrow/

Quote:

I agree. This is similar to the Benson/Turris discussion in another thread.
Like Turris, we know 100% what Koskinen is. Like Benson, there is still unknown with Skinner. Both need more icetime to show if they are ready for a full NHL gig. Both are still likely to improve to some degree.
One luxury the Oilers have right now with the winning record is to give these guys a chance. I am not saying to play Skinner 12 games in a row or give Benson 28 mins a game but increase the sample size so they can start getting some proper minutes in and the team can properly evaluate what they have.
Assuming there isn't a massive crash this is a playoff team. They need to start NOW in figuring out what issues need to be fixed the most to be true contender. I would be pretty annoyed if they traded a prospect and 1st for a goalie at the deadline and it turned out Skinner was ready but they didn't realize it until next year.

Most of us were saying this about Bouchard last year. Good teams do this. The Oilers seem tied to being stubbornly stuck in not giving young guys a chance.

I would absolutely go with Skinner tonight. Worst case, there's not much of a drop off. Best case, he improves and becomes a solid starter for us. Other than the puck mishandling mishap, he hasn't really let in a bad goal. His positioning is good, his puck handling is good, his reflexes are good. Only glaring thing I see he needs to work on is rebound control, but even that it not bad.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794661 is a reply to message #794650 ]	Thu, 18 November 2021 09:46

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 22:43

Jason Gregor:

https://oilersnation.com/2021/11/17/id-start-stuart-skinner- tomorrow/

Quote:

Haha - I don't think Koskinen has a long rope. People are ready to string him up for any early goal. Neither of the Oilers goalies have much of a leash with fans, because they've failed so often in their time here. Tippett has a much longer leash for Smith - believing he can battle through situations where he's going to default to pulling Koskinen.

I do think either goalie would have this leash with him with Skinner as the backup. Tippett doesn't like rookie forwards, so rookie goalies? Not going to be something he's really comfortable with. Skinner's first game last year with Ottawa he was terrible on, and if he was a rookie defenceman and made that giveaway he did in his first appearance this year, he'd have never played again. His hand is forced because Koskinen can't play 20 games in a row.

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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Winnipeg (Game #15) [message #794680 is a reply to message #794661 ]	Thu, 18 November 2021 14:39

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Adam wrote on Thu, 18 November 2021 09:46

WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 17 November 2021 22:43

Jason Gregor:

https://oilersnation.com/2021/11/17/id-start-stuart-skinner- tomorrow/

Quote:

Feeling for Kostko right now. Wonder if Smith having his setback finally triggered him to go into his low confidence mode. Things were better when it seemed Smith was on the cusp of returning, but then suddenly he realizes no help is coming. Fatigue probably playing a part as well. Kostko needs his Schmiddy back!

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