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Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793235]	Thu, 21 October 2021 02:00

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793237 is a reply to message #793235 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 07:02

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So, the talk these past couple of weeks is that Tippett is loading up McDrai on the top line at home while he plans to split them up on the road where the home team will have a harder time matching up against both of them. It's the old Crosby-Malkin strategy. Tonight, we find out if that is true.

Even if it is true, I'm not sure the strategy really makes sense. On the one hand, Tippett doesn't even line match at home. He's just playing McDrai as much as reasonably possible and who cares who they're out there against.

On the other hand, this is Arizona they're playing against tonight. Splitting McDrai up tonight may make sense just because the Coyotes top two lines aren't deep enough to stop either of them.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793238 is a reply to message #793237 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 08:01

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Hibernia wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 07:02

So, the talk these past couple of weeks is that Tippett is loading up McDrai on the top line at home while he plans to split them up on the road where the home team will have a harder time matching up against both of them. It's the old Crosby-Malkin strategy. Tonight, we find out if that is true.

Even if it is true, I'm not sure the strategy really makes sense. On the one hand, Tippett doesn't even line match at home. He's just playing McDrai as much as reasonably possible and who cares who they're out there against.

On the other hand, this is Arizona they're playing against tonight. Splitting McDrai up tonight may make sense just because the Coyotes top two lines aren't deep enough to stop either of them.

I do hope they split them up but the second line looked good from what I saw last game (if Kassian was on it)

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793259 is a reply to message #793238 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 16:05

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McDavid97 wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 07:01

Hibernia wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 07:02

So, the talk these past couple of weeks is that Tippett is loading up McDrai on the top line at home while he plans to split them up on the road where the home team will have a harder time matching up against both of them. It's the old Crosby-Malkin strategy. Tonight, we find out if that is true.

Even if it is true, I'm not sure the strategy really makes sense. On the one hand, Tippett doesn't even line match at home. He's just playing McDrai as much as reasonably possible and who cares who they're out there against.

On the other hand, this is Arizona they're playing against tonight. Splitting McDrai up tonight may make sense just because the Coyotes top two lines aren't deep enough to stop either of them.

I do hope they split them up but the second line looked good from what I saw last game (if Kassian was on it)

Here's my thinking, on what I think Dave Tippets thinking is on playing 97 and 29 together. Did that sentence make sense?

97/29 are the best duo in the NHL, this is not really disputable. Add 13 to the mix and it's certainly not downgrading anything. This line will outscore their opposition most nights, so what Tippet is betting on is that the rest of the forwards can at worst saw off against their opposition. If this happens, the Oilers win 5v5, and with their awesome pp, likely win most games. It’s a long season, and you have to bank points whenever you can, as displayed in the first 3 games of the season. Good teams consistently beat the bottom half of the league, even on nights where they are outplayed, as Oilers fans we know the feeling of losing games that we probably played well enough to win. This is how teams have 100+ point seasons, and divisional games are that much more important.

I personally think for the Oilers to ever win it all, 97 and 29 need to be on their own lines, but you have to get to the playoffs first, and ideally not scrap your way into a wildcard spot, but seed as high as possible. That means something, even if it’s largely on the back of beating up on the bottom feeders. So I can see the logic in playing the odds against weaker teams that have no answer to 97/29 together. I don’t know what the actual numbers would say, but if the odds say the Oilers will win 75% of their games vs the bottom half of the league when playing them together, I think you have to take that approach no? That's roughly 60pts over the course of a season and that’s money in the bank. Then you adapt your strategy against stronger teams where you're win ratio is closer to .500 and there's your 100pt season.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793251 is a reply to message #793237 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 12:46

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Hibernia wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 07:02

So, the talk these past couple of weeks is that Tippett is loading up McDrai on the top line at home while he plans to split them up on the road where the home team will have a harder time matching up against both of them. It's the old Crosby-Malkin strategy. Tonight, we find out if that is true.

Even if it is true, I'm not sure the strategy really makes sense. On the one hand, Tippett doesn't even line match at home. He's just playing McDrai as much as reasonably possible and who cares who they're out there against.

On the other hand, this is Arizona they're playing against tonight. Splitting McDrai up tonight may make sense just because the Coyotes top two lines aren't deep enough to stop either of them.

Looks like the McDrai split up on the road is indeed the plan. For the moment at least.

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Oilers lines in Arizona:

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - Ryan - Kassian
Perlini - Shore - Turris

Nurse - Barrie
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Bouchard

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793252 is a reply to message #793251 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 12:58

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 12:46

Hibernia wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 07:02

So, the talk these past couple of weeks is that Tippett is loading up McDrai on the top line at home while he plans to split them up on the road where the home team will have a harder time matching up against both of them. It's the old Crosby-Malkin strategy. Tonight, we find out if that is true.

Even if it is true, I'm not sure the strategy really makes sense. On the one hand, Tippett doesn't even line match at home. He's just playing McDrai as much as reasonably possible and who cares who they're out there against.

On the other hand, this is Arizona they're playing against tonight. Splitting McDrai up tonight may make sense just because the Coyotes top two lines aren't deep enough to stop either of them.

Looks like the McDrai split up on the road is indeed the plan. For the moment at least.

Tony Brar @TonyBrarOTV
Oilers lines in Arizona:

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - Ryan - Kassian
Perlini - Shore - Turris

Nurse - Barrie
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Bouchard

Koskinen

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Mmm-mmm-mmmmm that second D pairing 🤌🏼 *chef’s kiss*

Wouldn’t mind seeing Yamo on the 4th line for a game here soon.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793253 is a reply to message #793252 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 13:32

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 12:58

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 12:46

Hibernia wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 07:02

So, the talk these past couple of weeks is that Tippett is loading up McDrai on the top line at home while he plans to split them up on the road where the home team will have a harder time matching up against both of them. It's the old Crosby-Malkin strategy. Tonight, we find out if that is true.

Even if it is true, I'm not sure the strategy really makes sense. On the one hand, Tippett doesn't even line match at home. He's just playing McDrai as much as reasonably possible and who cares who they're out there against.

On the other hand, this is Arizona they're playing against tonight. Splitting McDrai up tonight may make sense just because the Coyotes top two lines aren't deep enough to stop either of them.

Looks like the McDrai split up on the road is indeed the plan. For the moment at least.

Tony Brar @TonyBrarOTV
Oilers lines in Arizona:

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - Ryan - Kassian
Perlini - Shore - Turris

Nurse - Barrie
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Bouchard

Koskinen

#Oilers

Mmm-mmm-mmmmm that second D pairing 🤌🏼 *chef’s kiss*

Wouldn’t mind seeing Yamo on the 4th line for a game here soon.

Wonder how long that 2nd line actually lasts. Tippett has bailed on it pretty fast since the 19/20 regular season.

I like the idea of being able to change from the 1 loaded line to the 2 balanced lines, but I still don't think Tippett has any confidence in what the balanced lines should be. He also hasn't spent any time trying to figure it out since early last season.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793254 is a reply to message #793253 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 13:53

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 13:32

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 12:58

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 12:46

Hibernia wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 07:02

So, the talk these past couple of weeks is that Tippett is loading up McDrai on the top line at home while he plans to split them up on the road where the home team will have a harder time matching up against both of them. It's the old Crosby-Malkin strategy. Tonight, we find out if that is true.

Even if it is true, I'm not sure the strategy really makes sense. On the one hand, Tippett doesn't even line match at home. He's just playing McDrai as much as reasonably possible and who cares who they're out there against.

On the other hand, this is Arizona they're playing against tonight. Splitting McDrai up tonight may make sense just because the Coyotes top two lines aren't deep enough to stop either of them.

Looks like the McDrai split up on the road is indeed the plan. For the moment at least.

Tony Brar @TonyBrarOTV
Oilers lines in Arizona:

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - Ryan - Kassian
Perlini - Shore - Turris

Nurse - Barrie
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Bouchard

Koskinen

#Oilers

Mmm-mmm-mmmmm that second D pairing 🤌🏼 *chef’s kiss*

Wouldn’t mind seeing Yamo on the 4th line for a game here soon.

Wonder how long that 2nd line actually lasts. Tippett has bailed on it pretty fast since the 19/20 regular season.

I like the idea of being able to change from the 1 loaded line to the 2 balanced lines, but I still don't think Tippett has any confidence in what the balanced lines should be. He also hasn't spent any time trying to figure it out since early last season.

I’ll just be pleased if, when, we see Oilers playoff hockey this season that we get to see more than 3 dmen play in a 6 period game.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793255 is a reply to message #793254 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 14:33

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 13:53

I’ll just be pleased if, when, we see Oilers playoff hockey this season that we get to see more than 3 dmen play in a 6 period game.

Oilers let the Anaheim Ducks get 36 shots on them. We may get playoff OT, but one way or another it won't go 6 periods.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793257 is a reply to message #793251 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 15:31

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That's just a terrifying lineup to defend, especially when you're a bottom feeder. I hope the Yotes are listening to Eakins' advice: DONTTAKEPENALTIES

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 12:46

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Oilers lines in Arizona:

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - Ryan - Kassian
Perlini - Shore - Turris

Nurse - Barrie
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Bouchard

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793258 is a reply to message #793251 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 15:43

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 11:46

Looks like the McDrai split up on the road is indeed the plan. For the moment at least.

Tony Brar @TonyBrarOTV
Oilers lines in Arizona:

Hyman - McDavid - Puljujarvi
RNH - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - Ryan - Kassian
Perlini - Shore - Turris

Nurse - Barrie
Keith - Ceci
Koekkoek - Bouchard

Koskinen

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I'm going to be looking forward to the Hyman McD combo..

LD centering his own line.. might get his feet moving..

This could be another trap game, Oil have the better talent, but effort is the multiplier, need to max effort.. don't come out dopey and toss'n out some pizzas. This will be a good test for Koski to see what we have for this season.

Trap?

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793240 is a reply to message #793235 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 10:50

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793241 is a reply to message #793240 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 10:54

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It has got to be pretty low on the old must scale. It's an early season non-division game against a bad team while the Oilers are comfortably sitting atop what might be a historically awful division. I mean sure you want to pick up the free points, but this game is basically a glorified pre-season affair.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793242 is a reply to message #793241 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 10:58

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 10:54

It has got to be pretty low on the old must scale. It's an early season non-division game against a bad team while the Oilers are comfortably sitting atop what might be a historically awful division. I mean sure you want to pick up the free points, but this game is basically a glorified pre-season affair.

Oscargasm acknowledged this by omitting any "load" references from his must statement.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793244 is a reply to message #793242 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 11:04

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 10:58

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 10:54

It has got to be pretty low on the old must scale. It's an early season non-division game against a bad team while the Oilers are comfortably sitting atop what might be a historically awful division. I mean sure you want to pick up the free points, but this game is basically a glorified pre-season affair.

Oscargasm acknowledged this by omitting any "load" references from his must statement.

Yeah, but I want him to say it. I want him to bare his soul and say this isn't even a category 1 must game. It's a gentle musty breeze that smells of lavender and mildew.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793245 is a reply to message #793241 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 11:06

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 09:54

It has got to be pretty low on the old must scale. It's an early season non-division game against a bad team while the Oilers are comfortably sitting atop what might be a historically awful division. I mean sure you want to pick up the free points, but this game is basically a glorified pre-season affair.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793246 is a reply to message #793245 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 11:15

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Goose wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 11:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 09:54

It has got to be pretty low on the old must scale. It's an early season non-division game against a bad team while the Oilers are comfortably sitting atop what might be a historically awful division. I mean sure you want to pick up the free points, but this game is basically a glorified pre-season affair.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif

The fact it’s early in the season along with how pee pour they’ve played lately and won the non-pretty way.. losing their Schmidd (it’s like force, or the Schwartz, but relevant for the Oilers) and facing a team that seriously has no place reaching double digit wins this season... yeah, it’s a 4 on the ol’ Must scale.

A loss here can provide some pretty negative momentum

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793248 is a reply to message #793246 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 11:26

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 11:15

Goose wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 11:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 09:54

It has got to be pretty low on the old must scale. It's an early season non-division game against a bad team while the Oilers are comfortably sitting atop what might be a historically awful division. I mean sure you want to pick up the free points, but this game is basically a glorified pre-season affair.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif

The fact it’s early in the season along with how pee pour they’ve played lately and won the non-pretty way.. losing their Schmidd (it’s like force, or the Schwartz, but relevant for the Oilers) and facing a team that seriously has no place reaching double digit wins this season... yeah, it’s a 4 on the ol’ Must scale.

A loss here can provide some pretty negative momentum

I LOVE the reasoning that got you there.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Arizona (Game #4) [message #793249 is a reply to message #793248 ]	Thu, 21 October 2021 12:20

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 11:26

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 11:15

Goose wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 11:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 21 October 2021 09:54

It has got to be pretty low on the old must scale. It's an early season non-division game against a bad team while the Oilers are comfortably sitting atop what might be a historically awful division. I mean sure you want to pick up the free points, but this game is basically a glorified pre-season affair.

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ornka9rAaKRA2Rkac/giphy.gif

The fact it’s early in the season along with how pee pour they’ve played lately and won the non-pretty way.. losing their Schmidd (it’s like force, or the Schwartz, but relevant for the Oilers) and facing a team that seriously has no place reaching double digit wins this season... yeah, it’s a 4 on the ol’ Must scale.

A loss here can provide some pretty negative momentum

I LOVE the reasoning that got you there.

Pi’s approval. My day is complete.

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