"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Clean house or bust

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 19:59

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 18:16 NetBOG wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 18:14 smyth260 wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 18:10 clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 16:54 Zero need to complain about this. Zero. If by October it's the only signing yes. But right now this is just some house keeping. Lord God. I'm not sure why this had to be 2 years. There, I found a complaint. Worst case, they can bury the entire salary in the minors. Second year helps the team more than the player. We should do that. But the last time we wanted to dump a useless player in the summer on a contract we could bury for 100% savings, we bought him out. I think I still enjoy being an Oilers fan because everything from the past 20 years is a funny inside joke we can trade around like hockey cards. Thanks for this one kr. In return you will now remember Dallas Eakins getting squirted with water by Taylor Hall. I’m fine with this contract shoring up forward depth. He looked good last season and isn’t being paid much.

Classic!



Also there is almost always a gif that takes 2 seconds to find that some Oilers fan made for memorable Oilers moments like that :)

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 21:24

Zero need to complain about this. Zero. If by October it's the only signing yes. But right now this is just some house keeping. Lord God.

I can come up with a whole whack of reasons to complain about this...

1) Shore was one of the worst forwards in the NHL last season on a GF/GA basis at 5-on-5 on a team that needs to improve it's 5-on-5 numbers.

1a) I only use that stat to show that Ken Holland has no idea what he's doing as he singled out GF/GA as his favourite analytical stat when asked about analytics last week.

2) Essentially, he's a replacement level player who was just signed for two years.

3) This is a player who Tippett himself wouldn't play in the first two games of the playoffs Yet, somehow was one of the trusted few when Tippett shortened his bench two games later.

3b) If Shore himself thought he was as good as Tippett and Holland does he wouldn't have signed a two year deal. He would be banking on himself to put up a better season and sign for more money.

Another dumb move by an organization that hasn't made consecutive good ones since 2006.


*Edit* If it's the only signing by October, than there is a whole lot more to complain about than this. This a molehill compared to the mountain of complaint that would (justifiably) generate.

[Updated on: Thu, 10 June 2021 07:10]

What happened to all of my messages? lol (I guess it's been awhile) BlueSky: StefBarnes

Hibernia wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 07:02

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 09 June 2021 21:24 Zero need to complain about this. Zero. If by October it's the only signing yes. But right now this is just some house keeping. Lord God. I can come up with a whole whack of reasons to complain about this... 1) Shore was one of the worst forwards in the NHL last season on a GF/GA basis at 5-on-5 on a team that needs to improve it's 5-on-5 numbers. 1a) I only use that stat to show that Ken Holland has no idea what he's doing as he singled out GF/GA as his favourite analytical stat when asked about analytics last week. 2) Essentially, he's a replacement level player who was just signed for two years. 3) This is a player who Tippett himself wouldn't play in the first two games of the playoffs Yet, somehow was one of the trusted few when Tippett shortened his bench two games later. 3b) If Shore himself thought he was as good as Tippett and Holland does he wouldn't have signed a two year deal. He would be banking on himself to put up a better season and sign for more money. Another dumb move by an organization that hasn't made consecutive good ones since 2006. *Edit* If it's the only signing by October, than there is a whole lot more to complain about than this. This a molehill compared to the mountain of complaint that would (justifiably) generate.

Yeah, on the spectrum of Oilers mistakes, this is a pretty minor one.

That said, this is a really important summer for the team and this was a move that Ken Holland prioritized. He spoke about it at the year end press conference, and then it is the first thing he got done after the end of the season. That speaks some volumes.

The move this reminds me most of is Eric Gryba's last contract. He too was a healthy scratch in the playoffs, and like Shore, he was one of the first things the Oilers did that summer. He also got a two-year deal, and we heard a lot of similar defences at the time - it's not that bad, it's pretty cheap, it can be buried in the minors, he's a good soldier, he works hard, blah blah blah.

Those who complained about that deal were right to do so - he wasn't an NHLer for the bulk of that time and his buyout among of the stupidest moves of the Chia era (which is saying a lot).

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=696641& ;rid=1325&SQ=a1c66ada9dba278bf29f4e35a5698d1e#msg_696641

This isn't the move that sinks the 2021-22 Oilers, but it does not make the team better, and it should be concerning that a player who so clearly is among the league's worst is considered that important to the team. I think this is as much about him playing a lot of minutes (in a top-six role no less!) in a long overtime game that we lost as it is anything else he did.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

[Updated on: Thu, 10 June 2021 08:24]

Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

und(i)sputed O.L.F.N Heavybra(i)n Champ(i)on of the Woooooooooooooooooorld. Plus. One.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

[Updated on: Thu, 10 June 2021 13:38]

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

One more on depth:

Quote:

Woodguy @Woodguy55 Had a request to overlay EDM GM's with their 5v5 Goal Share without their best player on the ice. Blue line is average NHL playoff team's 5v5 goal share with their best player off the ice:

Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!!

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:37

One more on depth: Quote: Woodguy @Woodguy55 Had a request to overlay EDM GM's with their 5v5 Goal Share without their best player on the ice. Blue line is average NHL playoff team's 5v5 goal share with their best player off the ice:

Those stats are elevated this year too because of Drai's heater at the start of the year which gets lumped with the "without McDavid" stats. When McDrai were put on the same line around half way through, the "without McDavid" stats absolutely cratered. And of course we decided that was the smart way to go in the playoffs. 3/4 of your lines getting owned every night.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37

Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!!

The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer!

The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%)

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:54

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37 Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!! The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer! The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%) https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

Jesus.

I mean we know it's bad, but holy hell is it bad.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:15

Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:54 Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37 Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!! The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer! The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%) https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0 Jesus. I mean we know it's bad, but holy hell is it bad.

Those numbers are the kind that get people cut even from beer league teams. "Doug sure is a nice guy, but he sucks and we lose games because they score every time he's on the ice...can we just tell him a veteran we used to play with moved back to town and we need to give him the spot?"

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:22

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:15 Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:54 Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37 Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!! The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer! The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%) https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0 Jesus. I mean we know it's bad, but holy hell is it bad. Those numbers are the kind that get people cut even from beer league teams. "Doug sure is a nice guy, but he sucks and we lose games because they score every time he's on the ice...can we just tell him a veteran we used to play with moved back to town and we need to give him the spot?"

My slow pitch team cut a 50 year old guy because he played second base like a broomstick stuck in a pail. It sucked but the team wanted to win and we had a better chance with random girl infielder than with him.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:26

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:22 CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:15 Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:54 Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37 Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!! The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer! The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%) https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0 Jesus. I mean we know it's bad, but holy hell is it bad. Those numbers are the kind that get people cut even from beer league teams. "Doug sure is a nice guy, but he sucks and we lose games because they score every time he's on the ice...can we just tell him a veteran we used to play with moved back to town and we need to give him the spot?" My slow pitch team cut a 50 year old guy because he played second base like a broomstick stuck in a pail. It sucked but the team wanted to win and we had a better chance with random girl infielder than with him.

Yep - I've run a men's league hockey team for 20+ years. None of us are high level athletes, but there's still been a few players who a bunch of the team has lobbied me to send packing because they're not even good enough for whatever sucky division of beer league we're in. People want to win, and players generally know who's costing the team more than others.

There's such a divide that I do worry at some point that it causes issues with the team. You have the guys who everyone relies on to win and then the group that you rely on just not to screw it up. It's a weird relationship and it harkens back a little to Craig MacTavish and the whole "core players" and "non-core players". Total disaster for team culture when that happens.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:31

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:26 Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:22 CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:15 Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:54 Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37 Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!! The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer! The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%) https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0 Jesus. I mean we know it's bad, but holy hell is it bad. Those numbers are the kind that get people cut even from beer league teams. "Doug sure is a nice guy, but he sucks and we lose games because they score every time he's on the ice...can we just tell him a veteran we used to play with moved back to town and we need to give him the spot?" My slow pitch team cut a 50 year old guy because he played second base like a broomstick stuck in a pail. It sucked but the team wanted to win and we had a better chance with random girl infielder than with him. Yep - I've run a men's league hockey team for 20+ years. None of us are high level athletes, but there's still been a few players who a bunch of the team has lobbied me to send packing because they're not even good enough for whatever sucky division of beer league we're in. People want to win, and players generally know who's costing the team more than others. There's such a divide that I do worry at some point that it causes issues with the team. You have the guys who everyone relies on to win and then the group that you rely on just not to screw it up. It's a weird relationship and it harkens back a little to Craig MacTavish and the whole "core players" and "non-core players". Total disaster for team culture when that happens.

Which is fine when you're half drunk playing sports with guys who have bad knees, but the Oilers are allegedly a professional sports team. We should expect them to be run just a little bit better over the same 20 year span.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:37

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:31 CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:26 Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:22 CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 16:15 Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:54 Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37 Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!! The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer! The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%) https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0 Jesus. I mean we know it's bad, but holy hell is it bad. Those numbers are the kind that get people cut even from beer league teams. "Doug sure is a nice guy, but he sucks and we lose games because they score every time he's on the ice...can we just tell him a veteran we used to play with moved back to town and we need to give him the spot?" My slow pitch team cut a 50 year old guy because he played second base like a broomstick stuck in a pail. It sucked but the team wanted to win and we had a better chance with random girl infielder than with him. Yep - I've run a men's league hockey team for 20+ years. None of us are high level athletes, but there's still been a few players who a bunch of the team has lobbied me to send packing because they're not even good enough for whatever sucky division of beer league we're in. People want to win, and players generally know who's costing the team more than others. There's such a divide that I do worry at some point that it causes issues with the team. You have the guys who everyone relies on to win and then the group that you rely on just not to screw it up. It's a weird relationship and it harkens back a little to Craig MacTavish and the whole "core players" and "non-core players". Total disaster for team culture when that happens. Which is fine when you're half drunk playing sports with guys who have bad knees, but the Oilers are allegedly a professional sports team. We should expect them to be run just a little bit better over the same 20 year span.

The Oilers are basically the team manager who comes back and says "I know he sucks, but he's my cousin and I'll hear it from my mom and my aunt if I cut him."

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

Goose wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 15:54

Adam wrote on Thu, 10 June 2021 14:37 Worth noting - this even takes in to account the bump up that the results get when Draisaitl is on the ice without McDavid! Imagine what it looks like if it's without the top two players on the ice!!!! The good news is that naturalstattrick.com has the answer! The bad news is that it's not good. 29 GF / 52 GA (35.8 GF%) https://www.naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20 202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&s core=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy &loc=B&gpfilt=none&fd=2021-05-15&td=2021-06- 10&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=847793 4&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

And our last 27 games of the year:

http://naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=2020202 1&thruseason=20202021&stype=2&sit=5v5&score= all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy& loc=B&gpfilt=gpteam&fd=2021-01-13&td=2021-05-19& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp;tgp=27&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=8477934& ;amp ;amp ;amp ;amp ;p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

THis was after we lost 3 in a row to the Leafs, and then destroyed Ottawa for 3 straight games. We were firmly in the McDrai top line phase then and rode it through the rest of the year.

29.73% GF when McDrai line was not on the ice over those last 27 games. 11GF 26GA. Tippett saw no issue with that I guess. Just let that situation keep simmering. Unlikely to matter come playoff time to have 3/4 of your lines be a liability.

[Updated on: Thu, 10 June 2021 17:16]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000