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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 October 2020 14:49

Smyth lovers can relax. Barrie didn't take 94, he will be 22. Probably smart move so he won't have to heart all the fans yelling "Smitty" at him.

So you’re saying there was another Oiler who wore 94?

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Adam wrote on Tue, 13 October 2020 13:53

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 13 October 2020 13:43

Adam wrote on Tue, 13 October 2020 13:37

Interesting number choice for Tyson Barrie...

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94?

He was the same for the Leafs, no? Used to be #4 for the Avs.

This could have been avoided if we retired Smyth's 94 like we should have the second he retired.


#4 likely headed to the rafters when hockey is played in front of crowds again...so it was a showdown between two Oilers icons either way...

Oh, and Kris Russell's still wearing that one too...


Might be smarter to raise #4 to the rafters without fans in attendance.

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When do we start discussing Barrie being resigned? And heck why not Koekkoek? After the expansion draft to keep the waters clear?

Not that I’ve been blown away by him, but I think he and Koekkoek have been a pretty solid 3rd pairing through 2 games. I expect they’ll get even better and Barrie to settle into the powerplay even more.

I understand organizationally you’re going to want Bouchard to likely have a shot at the top 6 next season. Nurse, Bear and Jones are under contract and penciled into your top 6. Does Klef return? Does he retire? There’s at least 2 holes in the top 6 next year, perhaps as many as 3. Huge opening for Bouchard.

I’d be firmly in the camp of welcoming a Barrie and Koekkoek extension before a Larson extension.

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 15 January 2021 14:04

When do we start discussing Barrie being resigned? And heck why not Koekkoek? After the expansion draft to keep the waters clear?

Not that I’ve been blown away by him, but I think he and Koekkoek have been a pretty solid 3rd pairing through 2 games. I expect they’ll get even better and Barrie to settle into the powerplay even more.

I understand organizationally you’re going to want Bouchard to likely have a shot at the top 6 next season. Nurse, Bear and Jones are under contract and penciled into your top 6. Does Klef return? Does he retire? There’s at least 2 holes in the top 6 next year, perhaps as many as 3. Huge opening for Bouchard.

I’d be firmly in the camp of welcoming a Barrie and Koekkoek extension before a Larson extension.

Also under contract, KowboyRuss and Big Bill are insurance 7th men kinda guys.


Wonder if Koekkoek being signed would make him attractive for expansion. Seems like a player. Maybe we could wait to sign him.

Barrie is probably a tough one. He's gonna want to be confident he's restored his image as an elite offensive dman before he starts settling on offers. Doubt he'll be satisfied with anything we would offer him right now. Probably has his sights firmly on having a good time as a UFA next summer.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 January 2021 14:20

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 15 January 2021 14:04

When do we start discussing Barrie being resigned? And heck why not Koekkoek? After the expansion draft to keep the waters clear?

Not that I’ve been blown away by him, but I think he and Koekkoek have been a pretty solid 3rd pairing through 2 games. I expect they’ll get even better and Barrie to settle into the powerplay even more.

I understand organizationally you’re going to want Bouchard to likely have a shot at the top 6 next season. Nurse, Bear and Jones are under contract and penciled into your top 6. Does Klef return? Does he retire? There’s at least 2 holes in the top 6 next year, perhaps as many as 3. Huge opening for Bouchard.

I’d be firmly in the camp of welcoming a Barrie and Koekkoek extension before a Larson extension.

Also under contract, KowboyRuss and Big Bill are insurance 7th men kinda guys.


Wonder if Koekkoek being signed would make him attractive for expansion. Seems like a player. Maybe we could wait to sign him.

Barrie is probably a tough one. He's gonna want to be confident he's restored his image as an elite offensive dman before he starts settling on offers. Doubt he'll be satisfied with anything we would offer him right now. Probably has his sights firmly on having a good time as a UFA next summer.


Agreed. If Barrie has a 40+ point season this year, he's going to be seriously contemplating his options. I think his challenging year in Toronto might mitigate that to an extent, because he knows that there's no guarantee that it's a great fit, but the Oilers have to be careful not to overpay too. If Bouchard is in that role in the near term, then a 45 point season this year doesn't necessarily translate to 60 points the year following.

Speaking of Bouchard, you gotta hope he gets in some games here fairly soon as well. I wouldn't want him not playing for much of this year while he sits on the taxi squad. The crazy thing off the first couple games is that if I were to sit someone for him, it's Adam Larsson...which would be a big story.

Also, after the first couple games, I'm even more mystified as to why Russell got a contract for an extra year. May as well have just signed Koekkoek to a 2-year deal. Would have been cheaper!

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 15 January 2021 14:04

When do we start discussing Barrie being resigned? And heck why not Koekkoek? After the expansion draft to keep the waters clear?

Not that I’ve been blown away by him, but I think he and Koekkoek have been a pretty solid 3rd pairing through 2 games. I expect they’ll get even better and Barrie to settle into the powerplay even more.

I understand organizationally you’re going to want Bouchard to likely have a shot at the top 6 next season. Nurse, Bear and Jones are under contract and penciled into your top 6. Does Klef return? Does he retire? There’s at least 2 holes in the top 6 next year, perhaps as many as 3. Huge opening for Bouchard.

I’d be firmly in the camp of welcoming a Barrie and Koekkoek extension before a Larson extension.

Also under contract, KowboyRuss and Big Bill are insurance 7th men kinda guys.

I have thought Barrie and Koekkoek has been pretty solid. Both on brand new teams with all brand new players, coaches and systems. Normally these guys have almost a month of camp with multiple preseason games to get used to things. These guys got a little over a week with no games. So I have been pretty happy so far.

I saw a tweet from Travis Yost in the first period last night proclaiming that Barrie was not a good fit for the Oilers PP. Apparently he's so good he can decide after 3 periods of hockey who's good and not. The Oilers PP was 50% last night with Barrie on it and if it hadn't been for Demko standing on his head they probably would have scored on everyone.

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I may get some flack for this, but I would really enjoy if they resign Barrie.

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I think as long as he keeps putting up points, and the number is low it would be ok

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 20 February 2021 21:04

I may get some flack for this, but I would really enjoy if they resign Barrie.


I think Barrie's going to get a good contract after a big season this year and Bouchard is in his spot with the Oilers next year.

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 20 February 2021 21:04

I may get some flack for this, but I would really enjoy if they resign Barrie.


Tied for second in points among NHL defensemen. No flack here. Would be nice (Bear, Barrie, Bouchard would be a group for the right side).

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 20 February 2021 21:04

I may get some flack for this, but I would really enjoy if they resign Barrie.


Let this be a lesson for offensively talented guys looking for a career boost. Sign for a year in Edmonton!

I would not sign Barrie again though. He is going to be looking for as much money as he can get from his performance here. And I think someone else cheaper could rack up points with the ice time he's being given. We would also be paying big to watch him decline on a long term deal.

Need to find a way to ensure we have guys like Barrie filling in our lineup every season. That requires actually appearing to be a good team and selling the opportunity to play on a team with McDrai.

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 21 February 2021 00:26

Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 20 February 2021 21:04

I may get some flack for this, but I would really enjoy if they resign Barrie.


Let this be a lesson for offensively talented guys looking for a career boost. Sign for a year in Edmonton!

I would not sign Barrie again though. He is going to be looking for as much money as he can get from his performance here. And I think someone else cheaper could rack up points with the ice time he's being given. We would also be paying big to watch him decline on a long term deal.

Need to find a way to ensure we have guys like Barrie filling in our lineup every season. That requires actually appearing to be a good team and selling the opportunity to play on a team with McDrai.


Yeah - if you could get Barrie back on the same deal, I'd consider it. However, someone is going to sign him to a much bigger deal for 5-6 years and live to regret it.

I think the only way I do that if I'm the Oilers is if I know something about Bouchard that makes us believe he won't ever make the jump. Then I'm trading Bouchard high this summer, and re-signing Barrie (maybe). Otherwise, I'm letting him move on to someone else.

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Seeing Barrie getting broken down a bit lately on twitter

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While Barrie gets a lot of points, the Oiler's goal, scoring chance and expected goal results are worse with him on the ice than off in most of the 4 main 5v5 situations he plays in.

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Basically the arguement is that he's been pretty weak without McDrai 5v5. And McDrai have actually performed better with other D aside from Barrie. Exception is Drai without McDavid, but there is a nice burst of luck involved with that having happened.


He's been good on the PP for us, but, especially since he's going to be declining from here on out, the wise move is probably to let someone else overpay him. He's here to rack up points for his last payday. Hopefully we can just find another guy that wants to do that here for cheap next year instead of giving Barrie what he wants long term.

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I'm still on the fence about re-signing Barrie. I get the arguments about his defensive deficiencies, but for years we've been dying for someone like him that can put up points. Could Bouchard be that guy? Maybe, but it's unlikely that he will step in and put up 40+ pts, or is it?

The right side is an interesting predicament. You've got 4 guys: 2 are UFA, 1 is unproven, and 1 has shown some regression after a great rookie season.

The options are:
1) Trade Bear to address other positional need & re-sign Larsson & Barrie + insert Bouchard.
2) Let Larsson walk, re-sign Barrie + insert Bouchard
3) Let Barrie walk, re-sign Larsson + insert Bouchard

Cap wise, you're going to get Larsson for less than Barrie so that's a win. If Klef comes back, and can re-gain form (neither are certainties) then maybe the PP is ok, plus you've got Nurse and hopefully Bouchard to take that spot eventually. To me, this strategy makes the most sense, but I still don't love the idea of letting the PP specialist walk away.

Trading Bear makes some sense if you could get something legit coming back. Maybe part of a deal involving the Elvis goalie in CBL? ie. Bear + Koskinen for Elvis + ?... Maybe Bear for a real top 6 fwd?

If you let Larsson walk, I think that opens up a big defensive hole on the right side. Bear becomes your top defensive defenseman, and that's not a championship formula imo.

Not the worst conundrum the Oilers have ever been in, but I'm definitely intrigued to see how this plays out over the summer.



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jds308 wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 17:48

I'm still on the fence about re-signing Barrie. I get the arguments about his defensive deficiencies, but for years we've been dying for someone like him that can put up points. Could Bouchard be that guy? Maybe, but it's unlikely that he will step in and put up 40+ pts, or is it?

The right side is an interesting predicament. You've got 4 guys: 2 are UFA, 1 is unproven, and 1 has shown some regression after a great rookie season.

The options are:
1) Trade Bear to address other positional need & re-sign Larsson & Barrie + insert Bouchard.
2) Let Larsson walk, re-sign Barrie + insert Bouchard
3) Let Barrie walk, re-sign Larsson + insert Bouchard

Cap wise, you're going to get Larsson for less than Barrie so that's a win. If Klef comes back, and can re-gain form (neither are certainties) then maybe the PP is ok, plus you've got Nurse and hopefully Bouchard to take that spot eventually. To me, this strategy makes the most sense, but I still don't love the idea of letting the PP specialist walk away.

Trading Bear makes some sense if you could get something legit coming back. Maybe part of a deal involving the Elvis goalie in CBL? ie. Bear + Koskinen for Elvis + ?... Maybe Bear for a real top 6 fwd?

If you let Larsson walk, I think that opens up a big defensive hole on the right side. Bear becomes your top defensive defenseman, and that's not a championship formula imo.

Not the worst conundrum the Oilers have ever been in, but I'm definitely intrigued to see how this plays out over the summer.




1) I don't think Bear has regressed. I think Oilers fans have a long habit of ignoring deficiencies and seeing only good in rookies - looking on any issues as simply growing pains and forgiving them entirely until season 2 or 3 when suddenly the bloom is off the rose and the deficiencies are all they see. He wasn't a perfect player before, he's not one now. He's still much better than people give him credit for. He's just a young defenceman and sometimes young defencemen make mistakes.

I think it's exacerbated with Bear (and to an extent Jones) because there's a segment of the fanbase that has some racism. That sucks to say, it shouldn't be a factor (and to be clear - I'm not saying that about you JDS or anyone in here - but I do think it's a reason why some people are squeakier about flaws in Bear's game than they might be with another defenceman.

2) Bouchard has put up good offensive numbers anywhere he's played. His stats in Edmonton are pretty solid too - 4 points in 12 games in relatively low usage and with virtually no powerplay time. That's a very small sample size, but it's still decent. Puts him on almost a 30 point pace over a full season and he was just getting his feet wet. Pretty decent rookie production. You give him PP time with that first unit? He'll get points. Anyone standing on the point with that group is going to have some level of success.

I'm fairly bullish on the player at this point - if the Oilers aren't they really need to trade him now because he's got all kinds of value now, and won't if he can't be an impact NHLer in Edmonton in the next year or so.

3) I'm less bullish on Larsson, but feel A) he's likely to be re-signed and B) he's not hard to replace at this point in his career. Larsson is clearly best if paired with a puck mover who can cover his deficiencies. We've seen serious issues when he's partnered again with Kris Russell. It is somewhat concerning that Tippett isn't paying much attention to the chances and shot share. Pulling out Bouchard after a game where he dominated the shot share was a bad sign, and throwing out Russell & Larsson together to watch them dominated repeatedly is a worse one.




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Adam wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 17:31

jds308 wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 17:48

I'm still on the fence about re-signing Barrie. I get the arguments about his defensive deficiencies, but for years we've been dying for someone like him that can put up points. Could Bouchard be that guy? Maybe, but it's unlikely that he will step in and put up 40+ pts, or is it?

The right side is an interesting predicament. You've got 4 guys: 2 are UFA, 1 is unproven, and 1 has shown some regression after a great rookie season.

The options are:
1) Trade Bear to address other positional need & re-sign Larsson & Barrie + insert Bouchard.
2) Let Larsson walk, re-sign Barrie + insert Bouchard
3) Let Barrie walk, re-sign Larsson + insert Bouchard

Cap wise, you're going to get Larsson for less than Barrie so that's a win. If Klef comes back, and can re-gain form (neither are certainties) then maybe the PP is ok, plus you've got Nurse and hopefully Bouchard to take that spot eventually. To me, this strategy makes the most sense, but I still don't love the idea of letting the PP specialist walk away.

Trading Bear makes some sense if you could get something legit coming back. Maybe part of a deal involving the Elvis goalie in CBL? ie. Bear + Koskinen for Elvis + ?... Maybe Bear for a real top 6 fwd?

If you let Larsson walk, I think that opens up a big defensive hole on the right side. Bear becomes your top defensive defenseman, and that's not a championship formula imo.

Not the worst conundrum the Oilers have ever been in, but I'm definitely intrigued to see how this plays out over the summer.




1) I don't think Bear has regressed. I think Oilers fans have a long habit of ignoring deficiencies and seeing only good in rookies - looking on any issues as simply growing pains and forgiving them entirely until season 2 or 3 when suddenly the bloom is off the rose and the deficiencies are all they see. He wasn't a perfect player before, he's not one now. He's still much better than people give him credit for. He's just a young defenceman and sometimes young defencemen make mistakes.

I think it's exacerbated with Bear (and to an extent Jones) because there's a segment of the fanbase that has some racism. That sucks to say, it shouldn't be a factor (and to be clear - I'm not saying that about you JDS or anyone in here - but I do think it's a reason why some people are squeakier about flaws in Bear's game than they might be with another defenceman.

2) Bouchard has put up good offensive numbers anywhere he's played. His stats in Edmonton are pretty solid too - 4 points in 12 games in relatively low usage and with virtually no powerplay time. That's a very small sample size, but it's still decent. Puts him on almost a 30 point pace over a full season and he was just getting his feet wet. Pretty decent rookie production. You give him PP time with that first unit? He'll get points. Anyone standing on the point with that group is going to have some level of success.

I'm fairly bullish on the player at this point - if the Oilers aren't they really need to trade him now because he's got all kinds of value now, and won't if he can't be an impact NHLer in Edmonton in the next year or so.

3) I'm less bullish on Larsson, but feel A) he's likely to be re-signed and B) he's not hard to replace at this point in his career. Larsson is clearly best if paired with a puck mover who can cover his deficiencies. We've seen serious issues when he's partnered again with Kris Russell. It is somewhat concerning that Tippett isn't paying much attention to the chances and shot share. Pulling out Bouchard after a game where he dominated the shot share was a bad sign, and throwing out Russell & Larsson together to watch them dominated repeatedly is a worse one.





Just regarding your comment about racism towards Bear and other players. I certainly don't feel or see it where I live, but I'm also not naive enough to think it doesn't exist, and it's just disgusting to think about. Anyone like that is no fan, let alone a decent person.


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Regarding Barrie, it all depends on what he wants, if he wants to do a Hall and go to the highest bidder, then you let him go, hopefully we'll have guys like Broberg and Bouchard doing what he does offensively in a couple years, can't go big dollar, long term on him.

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I want to see Barrie and Kulikov as a pairing. It seems they have the skillsets to really compliment one another.

For me, Barrie is exactly the player the Oilers signed him to be. Of all the free agent signings, he's been the one that has come exactly as advertised. A guy who can move the puck, play the powerplay, and is a bit of a mess in his own end (thus why I'd like to see him with Kulikov).

He's probably going to put up the best numbers a defenseman has put up on the Oilers since Souray in 2009 (53) and Pronger in 2006 (56), and he's going to do it in a greatly shortened season. I do understand the hesitancy and underlying metrics, but I'm also reluctant to let that just walk away. For all the talk about how anyone could put up those number on the powerplay with McDavid and Draisaitl... that simply hasn't happened. Barrie is producing more.

My concern is that we walk away and spend the next decade looking for a RHD defenseman to man the powerplay and move the puck. Hopefully Bouchard becomes that, but again, too much too fast seems to be an Oilers recipe for disaster.

Anyways, that's all a wordy way to say, it comes down to dollars and term, and maybe it doesn't work, but my preference is for them to find a way to retain him. I have no real issue with all of Bear, Barrie, Larsson, and Bouchard on the team next year if they can make it work, though Larsson's wear and tear and injuries do concern me... he looked bad last year, and not sure which to expect moving forward, last year's Larsson or this year's Larsson.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 20:40

I want to see Barrie and Kulikov as a pairing. It seems they have the skillsets to really compliment one another.

For me, Barrie is exactly the player the Oilers signed him to be. Of all the free agent signings, he's been the one that has come exactly as advertised. A guy who can move the puck, play the powerplay, and is a bit of a mess in his own end (thus why I'd like to see him with Kulikov).

He's probably going to put up the best numbers a defenseman has put up on the Oilers since Souray in 2009 (53) and Pronger in 2006 (56), and he's going to do it in a greatly shortened season. I do understand the hesitancy and underlying metrics, but I'm also reluctant to let that just walk away. For all the talk about how anyone could put up those number on the powerplay with McDavid and Draisaitl... that simply hasn't happened. Barrie is producing more.

My concern is that we walk away and spend the next decade looking for a RHD defenseman to man the powerplay and move the puck. Hopefully Bouchard becomes that, but again, too much too fast seems to be an Oilers recipe for disaster.

Anyways, that's all a wordy way to say, it comes down to dollars and term, and maybe it doesn't work, but my preference is for them to find a way to retain him. I have no real issue with all of Bear, Barrie, Larsson, and Bouchard on the team next year if they can make it work, though Larsson's wear and tear and injuries do concern me... he looked bad last year, and not sure which to expect moving forward, last year's Larsson or this year's Larsson.

I agree, the Oilers definitely should have loaded up while they have him on a cheap deal.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 19:40

I want to see Barrie and Kulikov as a pairing. It seems they have the skillsets to really compliment one another.

For me, Barrie is exactly the player the Oilers signed him to be. Of all the free agent signings, he's been the one that has come exactly as advertised. A guy who can move the puck, play the powerplay, and is a bit of a mess in his own end (thus why I'd like to see him with Kulikov).

He's probably going to put up the best numbers a defenseman has put up on the Oilers since Souray in 2009 (53) and Pronger in 2006 (56), and he's going to do it in a greatly shortened season. I do understand the hesitancy and underlying metrics, but I'm also reluctant to let that just walk away. For all the talk about how anyone could put up those number on the powerplay with McDavid and Draisaitl... that simply hasn't happened. Barrie is producing more.

My concern is that we walk away and spend the next decade looking for a RHD defenseman to man the powerplay and move the puck. Hopefully Bouchard becomes that, but again, too much too fast seems to be an Oilers recipe for disaster.

Anyways, that's all a wordy way to say, it comes down to dollars and term, and maybe it doesn't work, but my preference is for them to find a way to retain him. I have no real issue with all of Bear, Barrie, Larsson, and Bouchard on the team next year if they can make it work, though Larsson's wear and tear and injuries do concern me... he looked bad last year, and not sure which to expect moving forward, last year's Larsson or this year's Larsson.


I agree with all of this. I'm inclined to try and sign him if the money is right. I'd be pretty comfortable letting Larsson go and giving Barrie that money and some.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 20:40

I want to see Barrie and Kulikov as a pairing. It seems they have the skillsets to really compliment one another.

For me, Barrie is exactly the player the Oilers signed him to be. Of all the free agent signings, he's been the one that has come exactly as advertised. A guy who can move the puck, play the powerplay, and is a bit of a mess in his own end (thus why I'd like to see him with Kulikov).

He's probably going to put up the best numbers a defenseman has put up on the Oilers since Souray in 2009 (53) and Pronger in 2006 (56), and he's going to do it in a greatly shortened season. I do understand the hesitancy and underlying metrics, but I'm also reluctant to let that just walk away. For all the talk about how anyone could put up those number on the powerplay with McDavid and Draisaitl... that simply hasn't happened. Barrie is producing more.

My concern is that we walk away and spend the next decade looking for a RHD defenseman to man the powerplay and move the puck. Hopefully Bouchard becomes that, but again, too much too fast seems to be an Oilers recipe for disaster.

Anyways, that's all a wordy way to say, it comes down to dollars and term, and maybe it doesn't work, but my preference is for them to find a way to retain him. I have no real issue with all of Bear, Barrie, Larsson, and Bouchard on the team next year if they can make it work, though Larsson's wear and tear and injuries do concern me... he looked bad last year, and not sure which to expect moving forward, last year's Larsson or this year's Larsson.


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I agree, 100% with everything you said. Though, I think they place an emphasis on Larsson and Barrie over the younger 2 and with a McDavid led team trying to get their management to recognize a window when they’re standing right in front of it, I’m all for it.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 16 April 2021 20:40

I want to see Barrie and Kulikov as a pairing. It seems they have the skillsets to really compliment one another.

For me, Barrie is exactly the player the Oilers signed him to be. Of all the free agent signings, he's been the one that has come exactly as advertised. A guy who can move the puck, play the powerplay, and is a bit of a mess in his own end (thus why I'd like to see him with Kulikov).

He's probably going to put up the best numbers a defenseman has put up on the Oilers since Souray in 2009 (53) and Pronger in 2006 (56), and he's going to do it in a greatly shortened season. I do understand the hesitancy and underlying metrics, but I'm also reluctant to let that just walk away. For all the talk about how anyone could put up those number on the powerplay with McDavid and Draisaitl... that simply hasn't happened. Barrie is producing more.

My concern is that we walk away and spend the next decade looking for a RHD defenseman to man the powerplay and move the puck. Hopefully Bouchard becomes that, but again, too much too fast seems to be an Oilers recipe for disaster.

Anyways, that's all a wordy way to say, it comes down to dollars and term, and maybe it doesn't work, but my preference is for them to find a way to retain him. I have no real issue with all of Bear, Barrie, Larsson, and Bouchard on the team next year if they can make it work, though Larsson's wear and tear and injuries do concern me... he looked bad last year, and not sure which to expect moving forward, last year's Larsson or this year's Larsson.


So here's my issue with re-signing Tyson Barrie. He's not going to sign the same deal he came here on. He took a team-friendly deal because the market wasn't there for him, especially coming off a tough year with the Leafs. He's likely to finish in the top 5 in defenceman scoring now, and that's going to get him attention as a free agent, especially in a class where there's just not a lot of good offensive defencemen available. The scoring among UFAs-to-be defencemen this year is:

1. Tyson Barrie - 37 points
2. Alec Martinez - 25 points
3. Alex Goligoski - 15 points
4. Cody Ceci - 14 points
5. Jordan Oesterle - 11 points
5. Michael Del Zotto - 11 points
7. Derek Forbort - 10 points
7. Erik Gustafsson - 10 points
9. Jordie Benn - 9 points
9. Mark Staal - 9 points
9. Zdeno Chara - 9 points

Barrie's going to be able to command both term and dollars. If it was a matter of another year while Bouchard has training wheels on, with a plan to give Bouchard third pairing ice time and split the PP time, I could be on board for that, but he's going to get a 5-6 year deal, and that means there's no room for Bouchard at the inn.

I think Bear's ceiling is higher than Larsson's - and that while Larsson hasn't been as bad as he was at the start of the year, the recent pairing with Russell has demonstrated his weakness again - he's not a good puck mover and you don't want him anchoring a pairing. As such, I think it would be a mistake to keep Larsson over Bear in order to advance Bouchard, and if you have Barrie on a five year deal, then you have two pretty similar defencemen in Barrie and Bouchard. If Bouchard passes Barrie - he's a third pairing defenceman who isn't getting the powerplay time, and is getting a big salary.

With Bouchard, I think he is ready based on what we saw this year. His shot metrics and other fancy stats were all really good. He delivered decent points based on a rather small sample size. He was maybe a little sheltered, but he also didn't get the cherry minutes with McDavid and Draisaitl that Barrie has. Big shot, good passer, and at an age where he either makes the jump or he's not good enough to.

As I said before, it's not Barrie and Bouchard, it's Barrie OR Bouchard. If you're signing Barrie to a long-term deal, the team should trade Bouchard this summer for everything you can get for him, because only one of those guys can really fill that role. The team should know if they believe he can be the guy or not now. If he can't, then sucker someone else quick before they figure that out. If he can, then save yourself a boatload of cap space and let Barrie walk.

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As I said before, it's not Barrie and Bouchard, it's Barrie OR Bouchard. If you're signing Barrie to a long-term deal, the team should trade Bouchard this summer for everything you can get for him, because only one of those guys can really fill that role. The team should know if they believe he can be the guy or not now. If he can't, then sucker someone else quick before they figure that out. If he can, then save yourself a boatload of cap space and let Barrie walk.


I'm not as convinced that you can't carry both Barrie and Bouchard. Bouchard is on an ELC; Bear is on a cheap contract. Bouchard not getting PP points may even reduce his second contract. I can't imagine Larsson gets much of a raise. So from a cap management point, there's not much spoken for among RHD.

And if any sort of injury happens, I'd much rather elevate either of Bouchard or Barrie than Kesselring, Kemp, or whoever the next RHD is on the depth chart.

When the time comes, Barrie is a moveable asset. He may have a NMC which restricts things, but you can get a return on him, just as there would be demand for him this summer. Like you've said a lot before, Oilers have this habit of jettisoning contributing players for the next shiny prospect, when in fact having both of them is probably the better direction for the organization. I'm cautious of this, especially before a decision needs to be made.

With the Oilers likely to lose one of Bear or Jones to expansion (Jones being the more likely), and with uncertainty around Klefbom's injury and what type of player he will be once he returns, I'm in no rush to push out any of the Top-6 guys. If Bouchard is your 7th, you can easily work him in throughout the year, and there will almost certainly be injuries he will need to step in for. Right now that role is being filled by Lagesson and Jones (and to a lesser extent Russell), and that's kind of where he is being blocked as much as anywhere, IMO.

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I'm not as convinced that you can't carry both Barrie and Bouchard. Bouchard is on an ELC; Bear is on a cheap contract. Bouchard not getting PP points may even reduce his second contract. I can't imagine Larsson gets much of a raise. So from a cap management point, there's not much spoken for among RHD.





If Larsson gets ANY kind of a raise, Holland should be fired, hung, drawn and quartered, etc. ... If he comes back, it should be with a salary between $2.5-3.5M.

As for the rest - I think you're bang on.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 01:44



I'm not as convinced that you can't carry both Barrie and Bouchard. Bouchard is on an ELC; Bear is on a cheap contract. Bouchard not getting PP points may even reduce his second contract. I can't imagine Larsson gets much of a raise. So from a cap management point, there's not much spoken for among RHD.





If Larsson gets ANY kind of a raise, Holland should be fired, hung, drawn and quartered, etc. ... If he comes back, it should be with a salary between $2.5-3.5M.

As for the rest - I think you're bang on.


I don’t think Larsson deserves a raise, but I would like him back. When healthy and paired properly he’s a good defender with a nasty streak. I’m hoping he comes back at a reduced wage and a maximum 2 year deal.


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Adam wrote on Tue, 20 April 2021 22:07


As I said before, it's not Barrie and Bouchard, it's Barrie OR Bouchard. If you're signing Barrie to a long-term deal, the team should trade Bouchard this summer for everything you can get for him, because only one of those guys can really fill that role. The team should know if they believe he can be the guy or not now. If he can't, then sucker someone else quick before they figure that out. If he can, then save yourself a boatload of cap space and let Barrie walk.


I'm not as convinced that you can't carry both Barrie and Bouchard. Bouchard is on an ELC; Bear is on a cheap contract. Bouchard not getting PP points may even reduce his second contract. I can't imagine Larsson gets much of a raise. So from a cap management point, there's not much spoken for among RHD.

And if any sort of injury happens, I'd much rather elevate either of Bouchard or Barrie than Kesselring, Kemp, or whoever the next RHD is on the depth chart.

When the time comes, Barrie is a moveable asset. He may have a NMC which restricts things, but you can get a return on him, just as there would be demand for him this summer. Like you've said a lot before, Oilers have this habit of jettisoning contributing players for the next shiny prospect, when in fact having both of them is probably the better direction for the organization. I'm cautious of this, especially before a decision needs to be made.

With the Oilers likely to lose one of Bear or Jones to expansion (Jones being the more likely), and with uncertainty around Klefbom's injury and what type of player he will be once he returns, I'm in no rush to push out any of the Top-6 guys. If Bouchard is your 7th, you can easily work him in throughout the year, and there will almost certainly be injuries he will need to step in for. Right now that role is being filled by Lagesson and Jones (and to a lesser extent Russell), and that's kind of where he is being blocked as much as anywhere, IMO.

I know puck moving and offense is important but you still need SOME dmen to defend, occasionally hit someone or lean on them and be able to be on the PK. So I do not think it's possible to have all of Barrie, Bear and Bouchard on the team at the same time because then your entire right side is basically void of good defending, physical dmen AND you lack PKers on the right side. Barrie isn't physical, doesn't defend that great and isn't on the PK. Same goes for Bouchard. Then Bear is decent defending, can be on the PK but lacks the rest.

So I think it will be Bear, Bouchard and Larsson next season as Larsson has earned another contract. I see Larsson in the top 4 for next season while Bouchard gets up to speed in the NHL on the 3rd pairing with PP time. I don't see how Larsson gets a raise. I think he's earned what he has been making but salaries across the league thanks to the cap being flat and revenue being down will make his salary lower. Plus dmen get paid for points.

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So I think it will be Bear, Bouchard and Larsson next season as Larsson has earned another contract. I see Larsson in the top 4 for next season while Bouchard gets up to speed in the NHL on the 3rd pairing with PP time. I don't see how Larsson gets a raise. I think he's earned what he has been making but salaries across the league thanks to the cap being flat and revenue being down will make his salary lower. Plus dmen get paid for points.


I agree that if Barrie is not signed this is what we see. I fear of Larsson getting much for cap or term as he has been very inconstant in his time on the team

If that is the right side we see who QB's the PP? You mention Bouchard with PP time. Do you think he is ready to be the main guy in that spot or is the hope for Klef to be good enough for that spot?

It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.

I think Bouchard might be ready for that role but for a lot of guys it is tough to step in for PP spot duty when not getting regular minutes during the game. It can be tough to jump in after sitting on the bench for 10 of the last 11 minutes.


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It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.



Oilers PP% last year 29.5%, Oilers PP% this year 26.2%. Arguably, someone like Klefbom that can distribute the puck to McDavid/Draisaitl is more valuable in that spot than someone that is a threat to shoot a lot.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
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It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.



Oilers PP% last year 29.5%, Oilers PP% this year 26.2%. Arguably, someone like Klefbom that can distribute the puck to McDavid/Draisaitl is more valuable in that spot than someone that is a threat to shoot a lot.

I don't think Klef will be back. Just my personal gut feeling. Even if he was, I wouldn't have him on the PP even on the second unit. I see Bouchard getting time on the PP with an increase in the time Nurse gets. Nurse doesn't get a lot of time now. He's got 13 goals this year. I don't expect him to keep scoring goals at that rate but clearly he can shoot a little.

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I don't think Klef will be back. Just my personal gut feeling. Even if he was, I wouldn't have him on the PP even on the second unit. I see Bouchard getting time on the PP with an increase in the time Nurse gets. Nurse doesn't get a lot of time now. He's got 13 goals this year. I don't expect him to keep scoring goals at that rate but clearly he can shoot a little.


Ya, sorry I didn't mean to imply that it had to be Klefbom. More the idea that the Oilers don't need someone that is a threat to shoot the puck from the point a lot to have an effective PP. And looking at the actual stats, Barrie actually shoots a lot less than I assumed. 7.7 shots/60 on the PP, 18.4 CF/60. That puts him 31st among defencemen with at least 100min on the PP this year, Ekblad leads the way with 16.4 shots/60.

Klefbom last year was 8.8 shots/60 and 18.6 CF/60.

ETA: to smyth260's point, given that Barrie doesn't actually shoot that much and the Oilers PP is still very good this year, I think it lends even more credence to the idea that you don't need a guy that's going to take 8 shots a game on the blueline.

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Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 11:00

Goose wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 10:56

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 09:32


It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.



Oilers PP% last year 29.5%, Oilers PP% this year 26.2%. Arguably, someone like Klefbom that can distribute the puck to McDavid/Draisaitl is more valuable in that spot than someone that is a threat to shoot a lot.

I don't think Klef will be back. Just my personal gut feeling. Even if he was, I wouldn't have him on the PP even on the second unit. I see Bouchard getting time on the PP with an increase in the time Nurse gets. Nurse doesn't get a lot of time now. He's got 13 goals this year. I don't expect him to keep scoring goals at that rate but clearly he can shoot a little.


Take this for what it's worth, but I've been told that Oiler's medical staff currently believes that Klef will not only not be back, but it's highly unlikely that he plays pro hockey again.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 11:00

Goose wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 10:56

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 09:32


It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.



Oilers PP% last year 29.5%, Oilers PP% this year 26.2%. Arguably, someone like Klefbom that can distribute the puck to McDavid/Draisaitl is more valuable in that spot than someone that is a threat to shoot a lot.

I don't think Klef will be back. Just my personal gut feeling. Even if he was, I wouldn't have him on the PP even on the second unit. I see Bouchard getting time on the PP with an increase in the time Nurse gets. Nurse doesn't get a lot of time now. He's got 13 goals this year. I don't expect him to keep scoring goals at that rate but clearly he can shoot a little.


Take this for what it's worth, but I've been told that Oiler's medical staff currently believes that Klef will not only not be back, but it's highly unlikely that he plays pro hockey again.


That sucks for Oscar. I hope he can have a pain free life and I also hope his uncertain future is cleared up prior to the expansion draft. I’m guessing the writing will be in the wall when the Oilers release their list.

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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 09:32


It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.



Oilers PP% last year 29.5%, Oilers PP% this year 26.2%. Arguably, someone like Klefbom that can distribute the puck to McDavid/Draisaitl is more valuable in that spot than someone that is a threat to shoot a lot.


The Oilers had a historically amazing PP last year. I’m inclined to think it’s an outlier and not one that we should be basing many decisions from. I was worried that this year we’d be losing games due to virtually guaranteed drop in PP output. It was 21% the year before under Hitchcock and McLellan.

That the PP has only regressed to the 3rd best PP, I see that as an indicator that things are working. If Klefbom magically came back tomorrow, I don’t think I would be tinkering.

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 11:19

Goose wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 09:56

PlusOne wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 09:32


It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.



Oilers PP% last year 29.5%, Oilers PP% this year 26.2%. Arguably, someone like Klefbom that can distribute the puck to McDavid/Draisaitl is more valuable in that spot than someone that is a threat to shoot a lot.


The Oilers had a historically amazing PP last year. I’m inclined to think it’s an outlier and not one that we should be basing many decisions from. I was worried that this year we’d be losing games due to virtually guaranteed drop in PP output. It was 21% the year before under Hitchcock and McLellan.

That the PP has only regressed to the 3rd best PP, I see that as an indicator that things are working. If Klefbom magically came back tomorrow, I don’t think I would be tinkering.


I think that's a personnel thing more than a fluke. You have two of the best in the game in the prime of their career and another really solid puck distributor in Nugent-Hopkins. The defenceman is an important piece - I don't want to see Russell or Larsson taking shifts there - but I think they'll still produce well with any effective puck mover on the point.

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So I think it will be Bear, Bouchard and Larsson next season as Larsson has earned another contract. I see Larsson in the top 4 for next season while Bouchard gets up to speed in the NHL on the 3rd pairing with PP time. I don't see how Larsson gets a raise. I think he's earned what he has been making but salaries across the league thanks to the cap being flat and revenue being down will make his salary lower. Plus dmen get paid for points.


I agree that if Barrie is not signed this is what we see. I fear of Larsson getting much for cap or term as he has been very inconstant in his time on the team

If that is the right side we see who QB's the PP? You mention Bouchard with PP time. Do you think he is ready to be the main guy in that spot or is the hope for Klef to be good enough for that spot?

It was mentioned in one the last couple of broadcasts but the threat of a shot from Barrie has really opened up the PP and I fear the Oilers main competitive advantage will take a step back if they dont have a legit threat back there.

I think Bouchard might be ready for that role but for a lot of guys it is tough to step in for PP spot duty when not getting regular minutes during the game. It can be tough to jump in after sitting on the bench for 10 of the last 11 minutes.



I think Klefbom coming back gives the Oilers options - but I would really like to see Bouchard there. We just haven't seen anyone with a shot like his back there in years. He's also smart about it - what impressed me with him earlier this year is that he's not always opting for the big bomb - sometimes he's sending the sneaky quick wrister through traffic, or shots designed to be tipped. He's excelled on the powerplay at every level up to now, so I think he's a good option to replace Barrie there.

If he doesn't fully do it, then you can spell him off with Klefbom or even Nurse.

While I agree that a new shiny toy shouldn't make you immediately cast off the old one, I think the flaws in Barrie's game make him easier to replace. He's a guy who's ideally sheltered at even strength, so this isn't the same as Gilbert/Petry or Petry/Klefbom in my eyes. Bouchard is at an age where he needs to be contributing. The Oilers should be keeping an eye on the market value of their players along with the development curve. If the team doesn't think he can be the guy - then they need to trade him while others don't see that yet.

If they think he can do it, then you need to give him those sheltered 5v5 minutes and break him in. I am bullish on the player for sure - I think he looked great and performed well in his time in the lineup and his peer group is excelling in the NHL. At his age, he needs to be in the lineup - not sitting out 50+% of the games (or as in this year 75+%). If Barrie could be a true first pairing guy - out against all the tough match-ups, etc. then maybe it's not as problematic, but I don't think he's ideally that guy. Just one more reason I don't give him $6MMx5 - which I expect is close to what he gets this summer.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 11:48

Bouchard is at an age where he needs to be contributing. The Oilers should be keeping an eye on the market value of their players along with the development curve. If the team doesn't think he can be the guy - then they need to trade him while others don't see that yet.


It really seems like they don't think that he can be the guy. Surely, if you thought he could be the guy you would find him ice time. Surely, if you thought he couldn't you would do something to keep his value high, like letting him dominate in the minors.

I can't quite figure out ANY reason to have him languish on the taxi squad all year. ANY.

FWIW, I really like Barrie and hope that he likes playing enough with 97/29 that he would consider taking a moderate haircut on either salary or term to stay here. I'd comfortably give him 5x5, and I would leave Klefbom exposed to Seattle and hope they bite.

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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 12:12

Adam wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 11:48

Bouchard is at an age where he needs to be contributing. The Oilers should be keeping an eye on the market value of their players along with the development curve. If the team doesn't think he can be the guy - then they need to trade him while others don't see that yet.


It really seems like they don't think that he can be the guy. Surely, if you thought he could be the guy you would find him ice time. Surely, if you thought he couldn't you would do something to keep his value high, like letting him dominate in the minors.

I can't quite figure out ANY reason to have him languish on the taxi squad all year. ANY.

FWIW, I really like Barrie and hope that he likes playing enough with 97/29 that he would consider taking a moderate haircut on either salary or term to stay here. I'd comfortably give him 5x5, and I would leave Klefbom exposed to Seattle and hope they bite.

I disagree. I do not think him not playing has nothing to do with the Oilers thinking he can't do it. I think it has everything to do with the other players on their defense. I've asked the question many times when someone makes the comment about him not playing. Who are you taking out for Bouchard? You have to sit one of Barrie, Larsson or Bear to give Bouchard a spot, so who are you sitting keeping in mind you are supposed to be playing to win, you are supposed to be in the playoffs and are supposed to be battling for top spot? For the record, I really like Bouchard but I have a hard time making a case to sit one of those 3 for a Bouchard and all of his 19 games of experience when all of the 3 I mentioned are healthy. When Bear got hurt, he played since then no one was hurt enough to miss time.

When it comes to signing Barrie this past offseason, I think it 100% came down to who they had. Klef was gone so you needed someone to take some minutes. They had Jones who prior to this season had 60 career games, Bear who prior to this season had 89, Lagesson had 8 NHL games. I do not think they could afford to have Jones, Bear AND Bouchard all in the line up, all at once to start. That's just way too much inexperience on the defense.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 12:28


I disagree. I do not think him not playing has nothing to do with the Oilers thinking he can't do it. I think it has everything to do with the other players on their defense.


Can he not get some game action on the left side? Bouchard getting experience playing on the left side is for sure more important to the future (and of little detriment) than playing Jones or Lagesson. Or why not play with 7 d more often and let Connor and Leon double shift with the fourth line?

I do agree that messing with the right side doesn't make a ton of sense, but what doesn't make sense is the seeming lack of effort to find some way to get him game time.

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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 13:31

Or why not play with 7 d more often and let Connor and Leon double shift with the fourth line?


Honestly, they should be doing that. This year and next. An in-game injury to a defenseman is harder to absorb than an injury to a forward, and extra ice time for 97 & 29 is never a bad idea.

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The Barrie signing turned as good as it possibly could have, but with all that being said I have very little confidence in him when he’s on the ice.

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 April 2021 15:15

The Barrie signing turned as good as it possibly could have, but with all that being said I have very little confidence in him when he’s on the ice.

Thank you for your service and you’ll be a great trivia question in 10 years.

If the Oilers don't keep Barrie, do you have confidence in their ability to find a suitable replacement for what he provides? I don't. Especially considering their narrowing Stanley Cup window.

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