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Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779855]	Wed, 17 March 2021 02:00

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779857 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 07:32

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779862 is a reply to message #779857 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 08:56

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They need a win. I don't think McD or Smith will gift the Flames goals this time.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779882 is a reply to message #779862 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 10:33

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 08:56

They need a win. I don't think McD or Smith will gift the Flames goals this time.

Or Nuge or Bear.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779869 is a reply to message #779857 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 09:20

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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 07:32

Ugh, gotta win this one

Definitely a Tier 1A level of Musty tonight. The Sutter Legend is bordering on going supernova. Not sure the world could survive a Lames win tonight.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779866 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 09:13

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My 10-game long memory is about to turn over into Oilers Suck territory. Dont’t let that happen!

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779868 is a reply to message #779866 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 09:17

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twilson1111 wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 09:13

My 10-game long memory is about to turn over into Oilers Suck territory. Dont’t let that happen!

5-5 with 3 wins coming against the SNES. Yeah, they could use a win tonight.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779870 is a reply to message #779868 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 09:23

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I listened to Calgary radio on my drive home from work. Since Sutter came in and he shuffled his lines, the Lucic-Backlund- Mangiapani line is his go to line and they play the most 5 on 5 minutes apparently. I know Lucic has had a bit of a bounce back year but I would be going at him pretty hard if I was the Oilers.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779880 is a reply to message #779870 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 10:29

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 09:23

I listened to Calgary radio on my drive home from work. Since Sutter came in and he shuffled his lines, the Lucic-Backlund- Mangiapani line is his go to line and they play the most 5 on 5 minutes apparently. I know Lucic has had a bit of a bounce back year but I would be going at him pretty hard if I was the Oilers.

Haha - his "bounce back" has him on pace for 31 points and -20.

I guess that is better than his last couple seasons...but he's still useless. If he's out on the ice a lot, that should be good news for the Oilers.

Mangiapane's annoying though. 5 of his 16 points this year are against the Oilers. Six points against us last year too.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779884 is a reply to message #779880 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 10:37

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 10:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 09:23

I listened to Calgary radio on my drive home from work. Since Sutter came in and he shuffled his lines, the Lucic-Backlund- Mangiapani line is his go to line and they play the most 5 on 5 minutes apparently. I know Lucic has had a bit of a bounce back year but I would be going at him pretty hard if I was the Oilers.

Haha - his "bounce back" has him on pace for 31 points and -20.

I guess that is better than his last couple seasons...but he's still useless. If he's out on the ice a lot, that should be good news for the Oilers.

Mangiapane's annoying though. 5 of his 16 points this year are against the Oilers. Six points against us last year too.

With the 56 game season, the LOOCH is on pace for 21 points, which would shatter his last 2 season outputs (20 and 20). I'm sure he can fix the +/- by staring at it with the grumpy looch face.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779889 is a reply to message #779884 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 10:58

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 10:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 10:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 09:23

I listened to Calgary radio on my drive home from work. Since Sutter came in and he shuffled his lines, the Lucic-Backlund- Mangiapani line is his go to line and they play the most 5 on 5 minutes apparently. I know Lucic has had a bit of a bounce back year but I would be going at him pretty hard if I was the Oilers.

Haha - his "bounce back" has him on pace for 31 points and -20.

I guess that is better than his last couple seasons...but he's still useless. If he's out on the ice a lot, that should be good news for the Oilers.

Mangiapane's annoying though. 5 of his 16 points this year are against the Oilers. Six points against us last year too.

With the 56 game season, the LOOCH is on pace for 21 points, which would shatter his last 2 season outputs (20 and 20). I'm sure he can fix the +/- by staring at it with the grumpy looch face.

True - I didn't make that clear. It's only 31 points in a regular season. Fortunately he doesn't have to pace himself this year because of less games.

I assume the sunshine & roses for Lucic is because Eric Francis has adopted him like a long-lost son since his arrival there. His love for all things LOOCH is surpassed only by his hatred for James Neal and Johnny Gaudreau.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779896 is a reply to message #779889 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 11:18

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 10:58

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 10:37

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 10:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 09:23

I listened to Calgary radio on my drive home from work. Since Sutter came in and he shuffled his lines, the Lucic-Backlund- Mangiapani line is his go to line and they play the most 5 on 5 minutes apparently. I know Lucic has had a bit of a bounce back year but I would be going at him pretty hard if I was the Oilers.

Haha - his "bounce back" has him on pace for 31 points and -20.

I guess that is better than his last couple seasons...but he's still useless. If he's out on the ice a lot, that should be good news for the Oilers.

Mangiapane's annoying though. 5 of his 16 points this year are against the Oilers. Six points against us last year too.

With the 56 game season, the LOOCH is on pace for 21 points, which would shatter his last 2 season outputs (20 and 20). I'm sure he can fix the +/- by staring at it with the grumpy looch face.

True - I didn't make that clear. It's only 31 points in a regular season. Fortunately he doesn't have to pace himself this year because of less games.

I assume the sunshine & roses for Lucic is because Eric Francis has adopted him like a long-lost son since his arrival there. His love for all things LOOCH is surpassed only by his hatred for James Neal and Johnny Gaudreau.

That and even the afternoon guys who tend to rip on the Lames a lot were all gushy yesterday. Sutter is there now so all is fixed.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779885 is a reply to message #779880 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 10:40

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 10:29

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 09:23

I listened to Calgary radio on my drive home from work. Since Sutter came in and he shuffled his lines, the Lucic-Backlund- Mangiapani line is his go to line and they play the most 5 on 5 minutes apparently. I know Lucic has had a bit of a bounce back year but I would be going at him pretty hard if I was the Oilers.

Haha - his "bounce back" has him on pace for 31 points and -20.

I guess that is better than his last couple seasons...but he's still useless. If he's out on the ice a lot, that should be good news for the Oilers.

Mangiapane's annoying though. 5 of his 16 points this year are against the Oilers. Six points against us last year too.

The benefit of being in RD is I get to hear both City's stations. It's all sunshine and rainbows down south right now and apparently Lucic has been a big part of it. I guess if scoring a little over 10 goals and maybe 30 pts as you mentioned is considered good for the 5.25 mill in their eyes, then hard to argue Lucic has had a good year. I am sure his "bounce back" year will make having to protect him in expansion hurt a little less for them. icon_lol

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779881 is a reply to message #779870 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 10:32

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 09:23

I listened to Calgary radio on my drive home from work. Since Sutter came in and he shuffled his lines, the Lucic-Backlund- Mangiapani line is his go to line and they play the most 5 on 5 minutes apparently. I know Lucic has had a bit of a bounce back year but I would be going at him pretty hard if I was the Oilers.

That might produce pucks for the Oilers for sure.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779878 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 10:25

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Rumours of high level Must are everywhere. Let me check the Musty app... ah yeah. She’s off the charts. I haven’t seen the Must this high in some time.

This level of Must calls for an extra couple seconds of pour from the Burrowing Owl tonight

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779899 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 11:51

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Will the Flames ever lose again? I don't think so but IF it happens it will be tonight.

Lucic is a force of nature. You can't turn a hurricane aside and in the same way you can't stop him from getting his Lucic points. Naturally those are pro-rated in the official league standings by a 3/2 ratio.

We can only hope that our sub-30 year old captain and his band of misfits can get some lucky bounces tonight.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779914 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

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Schmiddy starts, the whole world outside of Spec knew this.

Khaira out. Assumed. Also Neal is out tonight.

Kassian and Barrie took the skate. Will know on Kass this afternoon. Barrie likely a game time call.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779921 is a reply to message #779914 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 13:56

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

Also Neal is out tonight.

Hadn't realized Neal scored last game.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779927 is a reply to message #779914 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 14:28

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

Schmiddy starts, the whole world outside of Spec knew this.

Khaira out. Assumed. Also Neal is out tonight.

Kassian and Barrie took the skate. Will know on Kass this afternoon. Barrie likely a game time call.

Please jeebus on Barrie.

Kassian, meh. Refs seem to just call penalties on him when he tries to engage.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779931 is a reply to message #779927 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 15:32

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 14:28

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

Schmiddy starts, the whole world outside of Spec knew this.

Khaira out. Assumed. Also Neal is out tonight.

Kassian and Barrie took the skate. Will know on Kass this afternoon. Barrie likely a game time call.

Please jeebus on Barrie.

Kassian, meh. Refs seem to just call penalties on him when he tries to engage.

I'm not too concerned if Barrie can't play. I think Bouchard can step in on the powerplay and Barrie isn't a world beater on defence at 5v5. His minutes can be eaten up between Bouchard, Bear and Larsson. This is likely Barrie's only season as an Oiler, so it would be good to start getting some looks with Bouchard anyhow.

I know Bob Stauffer likes to beat the drum that defencemen aren't ready until they've played X00 games in the league, etc etc. but the fact is, impact defencemen make the league at the age Bouchard is, and all his closest peers in his draft class are playing important roles for their team already. He can't just sit idly in the press box night after night after night.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779935 is a reply to message #779931 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 15:47

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 15:32

WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 14:28

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

Schmiddy starts, the whole world outside of Spec knew this.

Khaira out. Assumed. Also Neal is out tonight.

Kassian and Barrie took the skate. Will know on Kass this afternoon. Barrie likely a game time call.

Please jeebus on Barrie.

Kassian, meh. Refs seem to just call penalties on him when he tries to engage.

I'm not too concerned if Barrie can't play. I think Bouchard can step in on the powerplay and Barrie isn't a world beater on defence at 5v5. His minutes can be eaten up between Bouchard, Bear and Larsson. This is likely Barrie's only season as an Oiler, so it would be good to start getting some looks with Bouchard anyhow.

I know Bob Stauffer likes to beat the drum that defencemen aren't ready until they've played X00 games in the league, etc etc. but the fact is, impact defencemen make the league at the age Bouchard is, and all his closest peers in his draft class are playing important roles for their team already. He can't just sit idly in the press box night after night after night.

Not to mention it's hard to get to that magic x00 figure from the press box.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779936 is a reply to message #779935 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 15:47

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 15:32

WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 14:28

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

Schmiddy starts, the whole world outside of Spec knew this.

Khaira out. Assumed. Also Neal is out tonight.

Kassian and Barrie took the skate. Will know on Kass this afternoon. Barrie likely a game time call.

Please jeebus on Barrie.

Kassian, meh. Refs seem to just call penalties on him when he tries to engage.

I'm not too concerned if Barrie can't play. I think Bouchard can step in on the powerplay and Barrie isn't a world beater on defence at 5v5. His minutes can be eaten up between Bouchard, Bear and Larsson. This is likely Barrie's only season as an Oiler, so it would be good to start getting some looks with Bouchard anyhow.

I know Bob Stauffer likes to beat the drum that defencemen aren't ready until they've played X00 games in the league, etc etc. but the fact is, impact defencemen make the league at the age Bouchard is, and all his closest peers in his draft class are playing important roles for their team already. He can't just sit idly in the press box night after night after night.

Not to mention it's hard to get to that magic x00 figure from the press box.

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779941 is a reply to message #779936 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 16:47

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

This is far too pragmatic an approach for the Oilers to ever take.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779942 is a reply to message #779941 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 16:52

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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:47

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

This is far too pragmatic an approach for the Oilers to ever take.

Lol. No kidding. They're going to wait for an injury, get mad when a rookie can't play a solid 23 minutes a night for 6 weeks, and trade him for 43 cents on the dollar.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779945 is a reply to message #779936 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 15:47

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 15:32

WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 14:28

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

Schmiddy starts, the whole world outside of Spec knew this.

Khaira out. Assumed. Also Neal is out tonight.

Kassian and Barrie took the skate. Will know on Kass this afternoon. Barrie likely a game time call.

Please jeebus on Barrie.

Kassian, meh. Refs seem to just call penalties on him when he tries to engage.

I'm not too concerned if Barrie can't play. I think Bouchard can step in on the powerplay and Barrie isn't a world beater on defence at 5v5. His minutes can be eaten up between Bouchard, Bear and Larsson. This is likely Barrie's only season as an Oiler, so it would be good to start getting some looks with Bouchard anyhow.

I know Bob Stauffer likes to beat the drum that defencemen aren't ready until they've played X00 games in the league, etc etc. but the fact is, impact defencemen make the league at the age Bouchard is, and all his closest peers in his draft class are playing important roles for their team already. He can't just sit idly in the press box night after night after night.

Not to mention it's hard to get to that magic x00 figure from the press box.

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

Question for you. Is there an instance where a team has done extremely well meaning division titles, winning playoff rounds and being a legit cup contender when at least half of their dmen are low 20's with barely any experience?

Bear wasn't playing well before he got the puck in the head and he definitely isn't playing well now. But unless I am mistaken, you like Bear a lot, think he should be playing a lot and think it would be stupid to get rid of him. Bear has 108 games of NHL xperience and will have 1.5 yrs of experience at the end of this season. I know he has some AHL while important, the NHL is a couple steps above the AHL.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you like Jones, think he should be playing and don't want him moved. He's not playing well, hasn't played well all year and has 76 NHL games total. So by the end of this season he will have just over 1 season of NHL games.

Bouchard you are advocating for and correct me if I am wrong, if you had your way, you'd have him in for Barrie. Maybe not totally this season but for sure next season. You see Bouchard in Barries spot and would probably lose it if they resigned Barrie. Bouchard has 19 NHL games and even if he played more than he has, he'd have at most half an NHL season.

So there are 3 guys who don't even have 2 NHL seasons of experience that you for sure and lots of others want to see in prime time, preferably right now. I didn't even count Lagesson who has so har 20 NHL total. He will probably get to half a NHL season. Lagesson looks to be a useful dman who correct if I am wrong, you like, have use for and definitely want to see play over Russell.

So for the record, I am not looking for a fight, not arguing, not even really disagreeing with you per say. I personally and I assume you are the same as me, want/EXPECT the Oilers to be good from this season and season going forward. We want/EXPECT the Oilers to be contending starting next season. So if that is the case yet most want at least 3, maybe 4 really inexperienced dmen being prime time. How do they win with that many young dmen? I am not even talking the prospects, I am talking the here and now with the 4 I mentioned. I can't think of a team that either won the cup or was a legit contender that didn't have at least 2/3 of their dmen as fairly experienced.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

Question for you. Is there an instance where a team has done extremely well meaning division titles, winning playoff rounds and being a legit cup contender when at least half of their dmen are low 20's with barely any experience?

Bear wasn't playing well before he got the puck in the head and he definitely isn't playing well now. But unless I am mistaken, you like Bear a lot, think he should be playing a lot and think it would be stupid to get rid of him. Bear has 108 games of NHL xperience and will have 1.5 yrs of experience at the end of this season. I know he has some AHL while important, the NHL is a couple steps above the AHL.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you like Jones, think he should be playing and don't want him moved. He's not playing well, hasn't played well all year and has 76 NHL games total. So by the end of this season he will have just over 1 season of NHL games.

Bouchard you are advocating for and correct me if I am wrong, if you had your way, you'd have him in for Barrie. Maybe not totally this season but for sure next season. You see Bouchard in Barries spot and would probably lose it if they resigned Barrie. Bouchard has 19 NHL games and even if he played more than he has, he'd have at most half an NHL season.

So there are 3 guys who don't even have 2 NHL seasons of experience that you for sure and lots of others want to see in prime time, preferably right now. I didn't even count Lagesson who has so har 20 NHL total. He will probably get to half a NHL season. Lagesson looks to be a useful dman who correct if I am wrong, you like, have use for and definitely want to see play over Russell.

So for the record, I am not looking for a fight, not arguing, not even really disagreeing with you per say. I personally and I assume you are the same as me, want/EXPECT the Oilers to be good from this season and season going forward. We want/EXPECT the Oilers to be contending starting next season. So if that is the case yet most want at least 3, maybe 4 really inexperienced dmen being prime time. How do they win with that many young dmen? I am not even talking the prospects, I am talking the here and now with the 4 I mentioned. I can't think of a team that either won the cup or was a legit contender that didn't have at least 2/3 of their dmen as fairly experienced.

There are times when I wonder if you actually read a whole post before responding.

My point is that it is extremely unlikely that we are not going to have a lineup in 2 years time that will include all of Bouchard, Broberg and Samorukov. All of them have decent trade value now, based on what they have done up to this point in their career - in part because they've all played in different places and haven't been in each other's way much.

The time is ticking on them though - the longer in to their career they go without making the NHL, the lower their value becomes. The Oilers have other needs besides defencemen, but we've seen this problem before - they aren't 100% positive who will develop and they're nervous that they might choose wrongly...so they don't move anyone until there's no value left. Right now, Broberg or Bouchard can get you a really good piece in return, and Samorukov probably a bit less, but still something. Move someone while those options are still available.

You're off on my beliefs about the defencemen above too, but I'm not muddying the waters by discussing it here.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780162 is a reply to message #780150 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 14:52

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Adam wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 13:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

Question for you. Is there an instance where a team has done extremely well meaning division titles, winning playoff rounds and being a legit cup contender when at least half of their dmen are low 20's with barely any experience?

Bear wasn't playing well before he got the puck in the head and he definitely isn't playing well now. But unless I am mistaken, you like Bear a lot, think he should be playing a lot and think it would be stupid to get rid of him. Bear has 108 games of NHL xperience and will have 1.5 yrs of experience at the end of this season. I know he has some AHL while important, the NHL is a couple steps above the AHL.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you like Jones, think he should be playing and don't want him moved. He's not playing well, hasn't played well all year and has 76 NHL games total. So by the end of this season he will have just over 1 season of NHL games.

Bouchard you are advocating for and correct me if I am wrong, if you had your way, you'd have him in for Barrie. Maybe not totally this season but for sure next season. You see Bouchard in Barries spot and would probably lose it if they resigned Barrie. Bouchard has 19 NHL games and even if he played more than he has, he'd have at most half an NHL season.

So there are 3 guys who don't even have 2 NHL seasons of experience that you for sure and lots of others want to see in prime time, preferably right now. I didn't even count Lagesson who has so har 20 NHL total. He will probably get to half a NHL season. Lagesson looks to be a useful dman who correct if I am wrong, you like, have use for and definitely want to see play over Russell.

So for the record, I am not looking for a fight, not arguing, not even really disagreeing with you per say. I personally and I assume you are the same as me, want/EXPECT the Oilers to be good from this season and season going forward. We want/EXPECT the Oilers to be contending starting next season. So if that is the case yet most want at least 3, maybe 4 really inexperienced dmen being prime time. How do they win with that many young dmen? I am not even talking the prospects, I am talking the here and now with the 4 I mentioned. I can't think of a team that either won the cup or was a legit contender that didn't have at least 2/3 of their dmen as fairly experienced.

There are times when I wonder if you actually read a whole post before responding.

My point is that it is extremely unlikely that we are not going to have a lineup in 2 years time that will include all of Bouchard, Broberg and Samorukov. All of them have decent trade value now, based on what they have done up to this point in their career - in part because they've all played in different places and haven't been in each other's way much.

The time is ticking on them though - the longer in to their career they go without making the NHL, the lower their value becomes. The Oilers have other needs besides defencemen, but we've seen this problem before - they aren't 100% positive who will develop and they're nervous that they might choose wrongly...so they don't move anyone until there's no value left. Right now, Broberg or Bouchard can get you a really good piece in return, and Samorukov probably a bit less, but still something. Move someone while those options are still available.

You're off on my beliefs about the defencemen above too, but I'm not muddying the waters by discussing it here.

I still think Jones is the one to trade...

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780177 is a reply to message #780162 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 17:45

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 14:52

I still think Jones is the one to trade...

The thing is, trading Jones doesn't impact Samorukov vs. Broberg. One of them still needs to go, because they're not likely to be able to be both broken in in the next year and a half, and if they aren't their value starts to sag.

Someone else has to go so one of those guys at some point so one of them can make the team too. Jones could definitely be on the chopping block - although his value is already flagging from under use this year. Hopefully he plays more in the second half and regains his mojo. If we trade him, we want him to be performing his best before he goes to drive the best return.

I would not trade Jones this year, because I think he's currently one of the three best left-shot defencemen - behind Nurse, about even with Lagesson, and ahead of Russell. Koekkoek is out, likely for the year, so we don't have much there and injuries happen on defence. If you trade Jones, and someone gets hurt, you have Theodor Lennstrom or you're playing a right shot on the off-side.

This summer? Fair game - especially if you think Broberg is coming in this year and you can convert Jones in to something more valuable. Worth noting, I wouldn't flush him for a draft pick just to clear a spot for Broberg though...

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780184 is a reply to message #780177 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 18:38

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Adam wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 17:45

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 14:52

I still think Jones is the one to trade...

The thing is, trading Jones doesn't impact Samorukov vs. Broberg. One of them still needs to go, because they're not likely to be able to be both broken in in the next year and a half, and if they aren't their value starts to sag.

Someone else has to go so one of those guys at some point so one of them can make the team too. Jones could definitely be on the chopping block - although his value is already flagging from under use this year. Hopefully he plays more in the second half and regains his mojo. If we trade him, we want him to be performing his best before he goes to drive the best return.

I would not trade Jones this year, because I think he's currently one of the three best left-shot defencemen - behind Nurse, about even with Lagesson, and ahead of Russell. Koekkoek is out, likely for the year, so we don't have much there and injuries happen on defence. If you trade Jones, and someone gets hurt, you have Theodor Lennstrom or you're playing a right shot on the off-side.

This summer? Fair game - especially if you think Broberg is coming in this year and you can convert Jones in to something more valuable. Worth noting, I wouldn't flush him for a draft pick just to clear a spot for Broberg though...

I think his (Jones) value is has high as it will be with the Oil, I’m not convinced he’ll be a top 4 option long term nor (now I’m surprising myself in saying this) do I think he’s a better option than Kowboy at this time (and the coaching staff seemingly agrees with that).

For me, our LHD chart;
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Lennstrom

If you can flip Jones for a middle 6 LW, or package him for a top 6 LW, it’s a no brainer. No one is taking Kowboy for that return without a near unpalatable sweetener. You’re organizationally inept if you deal Bear or Bouchard for anything short of a ransom. Jones is the one that likely has decent value around the league that you can bear to move while addressing a need.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780228 is a reply to message #780184 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 21:18

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 18:38

I think his (Jones) value is has high as it will be with the Oil, I’m not convinced he’ll be a top 4 option long term nor (now I’m surprising myself in saying this) do I think he’s a better option than Kowboy at this time (and the coaching staff seemingly agrees with that).

For me, our LHD chart;
Nurse (obvy)
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Jones
Lennstrom

If you can flip Jones for a middle 6 LW, or package him for a top 6 LW, it’s a no brainer. No one is taking Kowboy for that return without a near unpalatable sweetener. You’re organizationally inept if you deal Bear or Bouchard for anything short of a ransom. Jones is the one that likely has decent value around the league that you can bear to move while addressing a need.

I think this happens with most young defencemen that come through the Oilers organization. They have some early success, and people ignore even glaring flaws in their first season or so. Then there's suddenly an increased expectation at some point and any mistake (which all defencemen make) is amplified. After a short time, the fans lose faith, and there's demands for the defenceman's trade.

I think Jones has improved from when he started with the Oilers but the shine is off now and so fans are more likely to be critical. I do find that physical defenceman who hit a lot get more benefit of the doubt, even if they're even just as mistake prone.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780183 is a reply to message #780162 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 18:38

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 13:52

Adam wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 13:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

Question for you. Is there an instance where a team has done extremely well meaning division titles, winning playoff rounds and being a legit cup contender when at least half of their dmen are low 20's with barely any experience?

Bear wasn't playing well before he got the puck in the head and he definitely isn't playing well now. But unless I am mistaken, you like Bear a lot, think he should be playing a lot and think it would be stupid to get rid of him. Bear has 108 games of NHL xperience and will have 1.5 yrs of experience at the end of this season. I know he has some AHL while important, the NHL is a couple steps above the AHL.

Correct me if I am wrong but I believe you like Jones, think he should be playing and don't want him moved. He's not playing well, hasn't played well all year and has 76 NHL games total. So by the end of this season he will have just over 1 season of NHL games.

Bouchard you are advocating for and correct me if I am wrong, if you had your way, you'd have him in for Barrie. Maybe not totally this season but for sure next season. You see Bouchard in Barries spot and would probably lose it if they resigned Barrie. Bouchard has 19 NHL games and even if he played more than he has, he'd have at most half an NHL season.

So there are 3 guys who don't even have 2 NHL seasons of experience that you for sure and lots of others want to see in prime time, preferably right now. I didn't even count Lagesson who has so har 20 NHL total. He will probably get to half a NHL season. Lagesson looks to be a useful dman who correct if I am wrong, you like, have use for and definitely want to see play over Russell.

So for the record, I am not looking for a fight, not arguing, not even really disagreeing with you per say. I personally and I assume you are the same as me, want/EXPECT the Oilers to be good from this season and season going forward. We want/EXPECT the Oilers to be contending starting next season. So if that is the case yet most want at least 3, maybe 4 really inexperienced dmen being prime time. How do they win with that many young dmen? I am not even talking the prospects, I am talking the here and now with the 4 I mentioned. I can't think of a team that either won the cup or was a legit contender that didn't have at least 2/3 of their dmen as fairly experienced.

There are times when I wonder if you actually read a whole post before responding.

My point is that it is extremely unlikely that we are not going to have a lineup in 2 years time that will include all of Bouchard, Broberg and Samorukov. All of them have decent trade value now, based on what they have done up to this point in their career - in part because they've all played in different places and haven't been in each other's way much.

The time is ticking on them though - the longer in to their career they go without making the NHL, the lower their value becomes. The Oilers have other needs besides defencemen, but we've seen this problem before - they aren't 100% positive who will develop and they're nervous that they might choose wrongly...so they don't move anyone until there's no value left. Right now, Broberg or Bouchard can get you a really good piece in return, and Samorukov probably a bit less, but still something. Move someone while those options are still available.

You're off on my beliefs about the defencemen above too, but I'm not muddying the waters by discussing it here.

I still think Jones is the one to trade...

Agree on Jones.
They aren't moving Bouchard, Broberg, or Samorukov without giving them a full opportunity. Broberg, Samorukov will get a year + in the AHL at least. Bouchard gets worked into full time work next season. Holland is accostomed to having talent waiting in the minors, he won't be pulling any trade triggers unless he gets maximum value. Good, young D-men on entry level deals is worth their weight in diamonds.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780203 is a reply to message #780183 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 20:38

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 March 2021 18:38

Agree on Jones.
They aren't moving Bouchard, Broberg, or Samorukov without giving them a full opportunity. Broberg, Samorukov will get a year + in the AHL at least. Bouchard gets worked into full time work next season. Holland is accostomed to having talent waiting in the minors, he won't be pulling any trade triggers unless he gets maximum value. Good, young D-men on entry level deals is worth their weight in diamonds.

I agree that they're not going to do this. I don't think it's the best course of action though. Bouchard and Samorukov both have a year or more in the AHL, so it's only Broberg who the organization is very high on who hasn't...Samorukov is older than Bouchard by almost a full year, so if he's not in the plans for the team next year, his value plummets.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780176 is a reply to message #780150 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 17:08

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Not just muddying the waters but...

Could Tipp be convinced if we break each young D in with a staggered approach, one every year for three or four years? Could be a great mobile group by 2024:

Nurse(still around?)-Bear
Bro-Bouch
Samo-Willy Legs
some #7D (Jones?)

Bob Marley and the (Hartford) Wailers.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779948 is a reply to message #779936 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 17:07

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Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 16:06

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 15:47

Adam wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 15:32

WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 14:28

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 13:00

Schmiddy starts, the whole world outside of Spec knew this.

Khaira out. Assumed. Also Neal is out tonight.

Kassian and Barrie took the skate. Will know on Kass this afternoon. Barrie likely a game time call.

Please jeebus on Barrie.

Kassian, meh. Refs seem to just call penalties on him when he tries to engage.

I'm not too concerned if Barrie can't play. I think Bouchard can step in on the powerplay and Barrie isn't a world beater on defence at 5v5. His minutes can be eaten up between Bouchard, Bear and Larsson. This is likely Barrie's only season as an Oiler, so it would be good to start getting some looks with Bouchard anyhow.

I know Bob Stauffer likes to beat the drum that defencemen aren't ready until they've played X00 games in the league, etc etc. but the fact is, impact defencemen make the league at the age Bouchard is, and all his closest peers in his draft class are playing important roles for their team already. He can't just sit idly in the press box night after night after night.

Not to mention it's hard to get to that magic x00 figure from the press box.

By the way - this is exactly why I'm trading one of the LH defencemen prospects if I'm the Oilers. There is ZERO chance that Dave Tippett is going to have two early 20s left shot defencemen in the lineup in the next couple of years while still having early 20s Bouchard on the right side. It just isn't going to happen, and if Samorukov, 15 months older than Bouchard and two full years older than Broberg, doesn't get a push in the next year or so, his value is going to plummet hard. If the team thinks he can be better than Broberg, make the call soon and trade Broberg, but they're not both making the team so we can't really delay that trade very long and maintain their trade value.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779920 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 13:48

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Refs tonight;

Kendrick Nicholson and Chris Schlenker

Linesmen;

Kiel Murchison and Scott Cherrey

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779946 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

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Bouch and Kass in.

Neal and PRuss to the taxi squad.

https://twitter.com/edmontonoilers/status/137232185639757824 1?s=21

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779949 is a reply to message #779946 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 17:12

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

Bouch and Kass in.

Neal and PRuss to the taxi squad.

https://twitter.com/edmontonoilers/status/137232185639757824 1?s=21

Which hand was injured for Kass? My guess is they're going to bait him a bit tonight.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #779951 is a reply to message #779949 ]	Wed, 17 March 2021 17:20

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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 17:12

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

Bouch and Kass in.

Neal and PRuss to the taxi squad.

https://twitter.com/edmontonoilers/status/137232185639757824 1?s=21

Which hand was injured for Kass? My guess is they're going to bait him a bit tonight.

He’s a lefty, hurt in a fight so imma guess his left.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 17 March 2021 17:06

Bouch and Kass in.

Neal and PRuss to the taxi squad.

https://twitter.com/edmontonoilers/status/137232185639757824 1?s=21

What did PRussell do to deserve this treatment? Tippett is a sick man.

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Re: Pregame: Edmonton @ Calgary (Game #32) [message #780173 is a reply to message #779855 ]	Thu, 18 March 2021 16:27

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Hey look, we're the 2nd best team in the NHL!

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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