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Re: D. Holloway [message #775083 is a reply to message #775081 ]	Sat, 06 February 2021 18:58

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 17:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 19:36

Game #2 vs Minni Golden Gophers... Minni leading the division..

Still 1st period... D. Holloway already has THREE (3) pts!!! 1G plus 2 A's

If game ended now.. he'd have 7G 14A = 21 pts, in 12 games...

On FIRE!!!!!

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The kid is going to make Connor McDavid look good

Upadte ... he's got 4 pts tonight, 1G 3A, total 22 pts.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #775084 is a reply to message #775083 ]	Sat, 06 February 2021 18:59

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 19:58

Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 17:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 19:36

Game #2 vs Minni Golden Gophers... Minni leading the division..

Still 1st period... D. Holloway already has THREE (3) pts!!! 1G plus 2 A's

If game ended now.. he'd have 7G 14A = 21 pts, in 12 games...

On FIRE!!!!!

rock

rock

The kid is going to make Connor McDavid look good

Upadte ... he's got 4 pts tonight, 1G 3A, total 22 pts.

Is it on TSN or anything?? I’m in the garage buuut would go in for that

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Re: D. Holloway [message #775142 is a reply to message #775084 ]	Sat, 06 February 2021 20:57

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 17:59

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 19:58

Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 17:55

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 19:36

Game #2 vs Minni Golden Gophers... Minni leading the division..

Still 1st period... D. Holloway already has THREE (3) pts!!! 1G plus 2 A's

If game ended now.. he'd have 7G 14A = 21 pts, in 12 games...

On FIRE!!!!!

rock

rock

The kid is going to make Connor McDavid look good

Upadte ... he's got 4 pts tonight, 1G 3A, total 22 pts.

Is it on TSN or anything?? I’m in the garage buuut would go in for that

Nope not tonight.. TSN plays some college games at random, that's why I put a <News Flash> thread so I could post in "Oilers" to let people know the Oiler prospects games are on..

So ... ANOTHER update.. D. Hollaway finishes the night (against the No. 2 ranked team in the NCAA) with FIVE (5) pts, 1G 4A .. for a 23 pt season in 12 games. most of the points in the last few games.. he's playing unreal, dominates out there as a 19 year old.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #775147 is a reply to message #775142 ]	Sat, 06 February 2021 21:06

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I would like to see him turn pro next year, have a year of hal.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #775279 is a reply to message #775147 ]	Sat, 06 February 2021 22:54

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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sat, 06 February 2021 20:06

I would like to see him turn pro next year, have a year of hal.

How about this year? He'd be better than most we have in the line up.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776120 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Sun, 14 February 2021 00:49

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Rough game for Wisconsin v Michigan today, 5-1, Holloway no pts.
... play again tomorrow..

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776121 is a reply to message #776120 ]	Sun, 14 February 2021 06:25

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 14 February 2021 01:49

Rough game for Wisconsin v Michigan today, 5-1, Holloway no pts.
... play again tomorrow..

Those darn wolverines! He shall rebound

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776134 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Sun, 14 February 2021 15:48

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2nd game vs Michigan, 1st period, 1-0 Wisconsin

D. Holloway with the goal..

UPDATE: Summary, Wisconsin comes back from a 5-1 drubbing and led by D. Holloway, win 3-2..
Holloway with 1G, 1A, 2 pts.

14 games 8G, 17A, 25 pts icon_nod

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.. 19 years old

Meet your next winger for McD, and/or our new #3C

Holloway McDavid Puljujarvi .. oh Yeah!! icon_smile

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Goal Clip.. SNIPE!
https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/1361079904087928832

[Updated on: Sun, 14 February 2021 20:36]

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776164 is a reply to message #776134 ]	Mon, 15 February 2021 16:44

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I sure hope he keeps up this trajectory, easily has all the talent he needs.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776863 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Fri, 19 February 2021 21:32

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Holloway with just the 1 assist today, but had 11 of 18 FO wins.. a tidy 61% :)

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776892 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Sat, 20 February 2021 16:38

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Our boy with another apple;

https://twitter.com/badgermhockey/status/1363267404747341824 ?s=21

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776897 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Sat, 20 February 2021 18:20

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3 assists today in Wisconsin’s shootout loss today. His 9th multi point game in last 11 games played and is now 8-21-29 in 16 games.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776908 is a reply to message #776897 ]	Sat, 20 February 2021 20:09

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 20 February 2021 17:20

3 assists today in Wisconsin’s shootout loss today. His 9th multi point game in last 11 games played and is now 8-21-29 in 16 games.

If the kid had played the same games as Caulfield he'd have around 43 pts, more than Caulfield, and a year younger.

He's a beast. Oiler version of Ryan O'Reiley Wave Towel

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776942 is a reply to message #776908 ]	Sat, 20 February 2021 20:36

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He's more likely a winger on our team, imagine splitting those centers up though mcdavid, draisaitl, nuge and holloway dirty

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776945 is a reply to message #776942 ]	Sat, 20 February 2021 20:40

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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sat, 20 February 2021 21:36

He's more likely a winger on our team, imagine splitting those centers up though mcdavid, draisaitl, nuge and holloway dirty

Heck even with Nuge staying as a winger and Holloway as 3C or 2LW, gets my Oilers pants tight.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #776975 is a reply to message #776942 ]	Sat, 20 February 2021 21:10

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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sat, 20 February 2021 19:36

He's more likely a winger on our team, imagine splitting those centers up though mcdavid, draisaitl, nuge and holloway dirty

I agree he can play as center or, because we have our #1 and #2 C's already for a long time to come, to get him top 6 minutes he'll need to go as a winger, with his top end skill, speed, and hound dog tenacity, he'll be gold. He can also play top PK minutes, and also a snipe as a winger on the PP... <PING> bar down and in !!

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777797 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Fri, 26 February 2021 20:42

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SKOOKUM!!! Our boy scored both goals for the Badgers, one of which the GWG in OOOOOOOOOOOVERTIIIIIIIIIIME and moves to 10-21-31 in 17 games this season. 1.82 points per game. Kid is looking SOLID

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777798 is a reply to message #777797 ]	Fri, 26 February 2021 20:52

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 26 February 2021 20:42

SKOOKUM!!! Our boy scored both goals for the Badgers, one of which the GWG in OOOOOOOOOOOVERTIIIIIIIIIIME and moves to 10-21-31 in 17 games this season. 1.82 points per game. Kid is looking SOLID

Couple snipes on the PP

https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/1365470840582627328 ?s=20

https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/1365506120907857922 ?s=20

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777799 is a reply to message #777798 ]	Fri, 26 February 2021 21:13

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I was worried about the pick after the draft, but this kid is building some pretty wild hype. I sure hope we see him beside drai or McDavid soon

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777802 is a reply to message #777799 ]	Sat, 27 February 2021 02:15

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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Fri, 26 February 2021 20:13

I was worried about the pick after the draft, but this kid is building some pretty wild hype. I sure hope we see him beside drai or McDavid soon

Not hype.. credibility icon_nod

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777803 is a reply to message #777797 ]	Sat, 27 February 2021 02:22

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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 26 February 2021 19:42

SKOOKUM!!! Our boy scored both goals for the Badgers, one of which the GWG in OOOOOOOOOOOVERTIIIIIIIIIIME and moves to 10-21-31 in 17 games this season. 1.82 points per game. Kid is looking SOLID

Yeah I know I recorded the game !! icon_biggrin

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Pounded 2 PP goals, NHL level snipes. Can you imagine both Leon and Holloway on either side of a goaltender on a PP firing BOMBS top shelf? .. I can! icon_nod

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Holloway just looks so polished out there, he's playing with/against guys up to 4 years older and stands out. I really wonder if another year i NCAA will would help or hold him back.. probably should go pro, he could step in and replace Kahun and be an upgrade, snipe shot, fast or faster than Leon, defensively sound, a more physical. better on retrieving pucks, working the cycle, and his face off winning percentage is off the map.. He could play LD's wing and play PK as well.

Bette rplay would be to move RNH back with LD, and move up Holloway with McD, he'd be sniping sweet McD feeds ALL night long!

[Updated on: Sat, 27 February 2021 02:30]

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777807 is a reply to message #777803 ]	Sat, 27 February 2021 07:35

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Holloway did look great. For his age his skating is very strong.

Number 4 seemed to be everywhere in the offensive zone. He showed maturity beyond his years, considering he is 19 and playing against players who are mostly older.

His ability on faceoffs is remarkable.

From the very small samples of his play that I have seen - the WJC where he was playing hurt and a couple of the NCAA games on TV - his play in the defensive zone wasn't highlighted, probably because he was controlling the play in the offensive zone. He will have to be able to play a 200 foot game in the pros, but he may be able to already.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777826 is a reply to message #777807 ]	Sat, 27 February 2021 14:32

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Better hold off on the Lowe jersey retirement. #4 returns.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777829 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Sat, 27 February 2021 16:23

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Holloway with another beauty this afternoon vs Ohio.. just imagine its McD or LD passing that puck over .. icon_nod

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https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/1365802249318924289

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777830 is a reply to message #777829 ]	Sat, 27 February 2021 16:25

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 February 2021 17:23

Holloway with another beauty this afternoon vs Ohio.. just imagine its McD or LD passing that puck over .. icon_nod

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https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/1365802249318924289

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777855 is a reply to message #777830 ]	Sat, 27 February 2021 17:52

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 27 February 2021 15:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 27 February 2021 17:23

Holloway with another beauty this afternoon vs Ohio.. just imagine its McD or LD passing that puck over .. icon_nod

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https://twitter.com/BadgerMHockey/status/1365802249318924289

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Got another assist... 👍🏻

18 GP
11 G
22 A
33 pts

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777963 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Mon, 01 March 2021 13:51

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Just how good is Dylan Holloway's current point pace?

Here is how his PNHLe ranks against other NCAA prospects over the past ~15 years (min. 15 GP).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvPsfAWWgAQrmDu?format=jpg&name=small

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777966 is a reply to message #777963 ]	Mon, 01 March 2021 14:00

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 01 March 2021 14:51

Mason Black @NHLRankKing
Just how good is Dylan Holloway's current point pace?

Here is how his PNHLe ranks against other NCAA prospects over the past ~15 years (min. 15 GP).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvPsfAWWgAQrmDu?format=jpg&name=small

https://i.imgflip.com/allt4.jpg

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777967 is a reply to message #777966 ]	Mon, 01 March 2021 14:09

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Wow, there are some really GOOD players on that list. If Holloway can even be like Jaden Schwartz who all he does when healthy is up up 20+ goal, 50+ point season then sign me up. Anything more, bonus.

I think it's a given he will be signing a pro deal when college is over and at worse go to Bakersfield to play some games. There is a spot on Leon's line waiting for him.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777978 is a reply to message #777963 ]	Mon, 01 March 2021 19:25

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 01 March 2021 12:51

Mason Black @NHLRankKing
Just how good is Dylan Holloway's current point pace?

Here is how his PNHLe ranks against other NCAA prospects over the past ~15 years (min. 15 GP).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvPsfAWWgAQrmDu?format=jpg&name=small

Pts per game is actually higher than Eichel..
Eichel 71/40= 1.775
Holloway 33/18= 1.833 icon_nod

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Interestingly in Gudreau's best college season he was over a year older than Holloway..

You might say he's looking OK!

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: D. Holloway [message #777980 is a reply to message #777978 ]	Mon, 01 March 2021 19:37

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 01 March 2021 19:25

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 01 March 2021 12:51

Mason Black @NHLRankKing
Just how good is Dylan Holloway's current point pace?

Here is how his PNHLe ranks against other NCAA prospects over the past ~15 years (min. 15 GP).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EvPsfAWWgAQrmDu?format=jpg&name=small

Pts per game is actually higher than Eichel..
Eichel 71/40= 1.775
Holloway 33/18= 1.833 icon_nod

icon_nod

Interestingly in Gudreau's best college season he was over a year older than Holloway..

You might say he's looking OK!

Holloway for Eichel! Buff needs to retain some salary obviously.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778009 is a reply to message #777980 ]	Mon, 01 March 2021 20:25

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No need to retain we can just gift them neal and Russell

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778230 is a reply to message #769468 ]	Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

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Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778242 is a reply to message #778230 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 09:11

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

I don't know if I totally bye his comment about how the better players play NCAA. I haven't looked but I'd say if you went down the list of the NHLs top players, most probably didn't play NCAA. If he wanted to say the better American players generally go the NCAA, I could agree with that.

I did like how he felt Holloway was pretty much pro ready. I think he signs as soon as the college season is over.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778247 is a reply to message #778242 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 09:25

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 08:11

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

I don't know if I totally bye his comment about how the better players play NCAA. I haven't looked but I'd say if you went down the list of the NHLs top players, most probably didn't play NCAA. If he wanted to say the better American players generally go the NCAA, I could agree with that.

I did like how he felt Holloway was pretty much pro ready. I think he signs as soon as the college season is over.

I don't recall him saying that, he'd be wrong if he did, he did say that his job is to make the players pro ready and that his ultimate goal n developing a player is that when they leave their program they don't have to spend any time in the AHL and can go straight to NHL... I think what he said was that he thought the NCAA was a better place to develop than going too early not making the NHL team, and then bouncing around in the AHL for a few years..

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778269 is a reply to message #778247 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 11:15

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 09:25

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 08:11

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

I don't know if I totally bye his comment about how the better players play NCAA. I haven't looked but I'd say if you went down the list of the NHLs top players, most probably didn't play NCAA. If he wanted to say the better American players generally go the NCAA, I could agree with that.

I did like how he felt Holloway was pretty much pro ready. I think he signs as soon as the college season is over.

I don't recall him saying that, he'd be wrong if he did, he did say that his job is to make the players pro ready and that his ultimate goal n developing a player is that when they leave their program they don't have to spend any time in the AHL and can go straight to NHL... I think what he said was that he thought the NCAA was a better place to develop than going too early not making the NHL team, and then bouncing around in the AHL for a few years..

I must have heard him wrong then. I don't agree with his sentiment. I think he is speaking with some bias of wanting one of his star players not to turn pro after this season. The College game and lifestyle is way different than the pro game even in the AHL. Pros play more games and get less practice time. Now the AHL has changed a little recently where they play a few less games and practice more but it still doesn't compare to a college season. Part of being a pro is balancing your life and hockey. I also think the level of competition in the AHL is much higher. P. Russell who is a borderline NHLer but good AHLer was a point per game college player his last season. I am sure there are lots of guys on college teams who are really good college players but can't get higher than the AHL.

Plus in the AHL, you would be going up against older guys who this is their livelihood. They aren't making the NHL so if they don't play well and hard, they could be out of a job. So they are going to come at those young guys hard. So I wonder, is the 3rd yr college player on a lesser school who knows he's not getting drafted, has that guaranteed 1 more year of college hockey left but once he finishes his senior year, he's probably done high end hocking coming at the young college player as hard as the 29 yr old free agent AHLer needing another contract to stay in North America? Hard to say but my guess would be no he isn't.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778287 is a reply to message #778269 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 14:01

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 10:15

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 09:25

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 08:11

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

I don't know if I totally bye his comment about how the better players play NCAA. I haven't looked but I'd say if you went down the list of the NHLs top players, most probably didn't play NCAA. If he wanted to say the better American players generally go the NCAA, I could agree with that.

I did like how he felt Holloway was pretty much pro ready. I think he signs as soon as the college season is over.

I don't recall him saying that, he'd be wrong if he did, he did say that his job is to make the players pro ready and that his ultimate goal n developing a player is that when they leave their program they don't have to spend any time in the AHL and can go straight to NHL... I think what he said was that he thought the NCAA was a better place to develop than going too early not making the NHL team, and then bouncing around in the AHL for a few years..

I must have heard him wrong then. I don't agree with his sentiment. I think he is speaking with some bias of wanting one of his star players not to turn pro after this season. The College game and lifestyle is way different than the pro game even in the AHL. Pros play more games and get less practice time. Now the AHL has changed a little recently where they play a few less games and practice more but it still doesn't compare to a college season. Part of being a pro is balancing your life and hockey. I also think the level of competition in the AHL is much higher. P. Russell who is a borderline NHLer but good AHLer was a point per game college player his last season. I am sure there are lots of guys on college teams who are really good college players but can't get higher than the AHL.

Plus in the AHL, you would be going up against older guys who this is their livelihood. They aren't making the NHL so if they don't play well and hard, they could be out of a job. So they are going to come at those young guys hard. So I wonder, is the 3rd yr college player on a lesser school who knows he's not getting drafted, has that guaranteed 1 more year of college hockey left but once he finishes his senior year, he's probably done high end hocking coming at the young college player as hard as the 29 yr old free agent AHLer needing another contract to stay in North America? Hard to say but my guess would be no he isn't.

Yeah but a lot of those seniors are 22 23 years old.. and they are all busting it to win, one advantage of NCAA is these schools have the best strength and conditioning coaches in the world as an extension of their football programs and all the other sports they support.. world class track & field, basketball, swimming, wrestling .. list goes on and on..

Graduating players direct to the NHL is something that helps a program recruit.. the top junior players have a lot of options, you don't want to be regarded as standing in the way of a player graduating early and going to the NHL.. it might hurt your team for the next year, but it'll boost your recruiting credibility and program profile..

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778296 is a reply to message #778287 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 14:28

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 15:01

Yeah but a lot of those seniors are 22 23 years old.. and they are all busting it to win, one advantage of NCAA is these schools have the best strength and conditioning coaches in the world as an extension of their football programs and all the other sports they support.. world class track & field, basketball, swimming, wrestling .. list goes on and on..

Graduating players direct to the NHL is something that helps a program recruit.. the top junior players have a lot of options, you don't want to be regarded as standing in the way of a player graduating early and going to the NHL.. it might hurt your team for the next year, but it'll boost your recruiting credibility and program profile..

To your first point it depends on the school and the priority they put on hockey. For many hockey is pretty far down the list and when budget time comes they dont get the same quality as big ticket sports like basketball and football.
A player I coached a few years back played 3 years of NCAA. His first year he went to a school that saw hockey only slightly above a rec sport. They had to work out at 6AM or wait in line at the strength and conditioning room until the football team was done. No other athletes were allowed in until the football team cleared out. He transferred the next year to a "hockey school" and couldn't believe the difference. They were treated like royalty. Nutritionist just for the hockey team. Private weight area with skating treadmills and such. Night and day.
The good news is Wisconsin does seem to put the effort and cash into hockey so I am sure your point is true for Holloway.

The second point is huge. NCAA recruiting is a crazy game and having names you can put forward as success stories is worth big dollars to a program.
Having a guy like Holloway go from a reach pick (to some) to a massive improvement is big ace in hole when in a recruiting tug of war with other schools.
I am sure Granato and Wisconsin will do everything they can to help Holloway be a successful pro.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778303 is a reply to message #778287 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 15:36

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 14:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 10:15

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 09:25

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 08:11

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

I don't know if I totally bye his comment about how the better players play NCAA. I haven't looked but I'd say if you went down the list of the NHLs top players, most probably didn't play NCAA. If he wanted to say the better American players generally go the NCAA, I could agree with that.

I did like how he felt Holloway was pretty much pro ready. I think he signs as soon as the college season is over.

I don't recall him saying that, he'd be wrong if he did, he did say that his job is to make the players pro ready and that his ultimate goal n developing a player is that when they leave their program they don't have to spend any time in the AHL and can go straight to NHL... I think what he said was that he thought the NCAA was a better place to develop than going too early not making the NHL team, and then bouncing around in the AHL for a few years..

I must have heard him wrong then. I don't agree with his sentiment. I think he is speaking with some bias of wanting one of his star players not to turn pro after this season. The College game and lifestyle is way different than the pro game even in the AHL. Pros play more games and get less practice time. Now the AHL has changed a little recently where they play a few less games and practice more but it still doesn't compare to a college season. Part of being a pro is balancing your life and hockey. I also think the level of competition in the AHL is much higher. P. Russell who is a borderline NHLer but good AHLer was a point per game college player his last season. I am sure there are lots of guys on college teams who are really good college players but can't get higher than the AHL.

Plus in the AHL, you would be going up against older guys who this is their livelihood. They aren't making the NHL so if they don't play well and hard, they could be out of a job. So they are going to come at those young guys hard. So I wonder, is the 3rd yr college player on a lesser school who knows he's not getting drafted, has that guaranteed 1 more year of college hockey left but once he finishes his senior year, he's probably done high end hocking coming at the young college player as hard as the 29 yr old free agent AHLer needing another contract to stay in North America? Hard to say but my guess would be no he isn't.

Yeah but a lot of those seniors are 22 23 years old.. and they are all busting it to win, one advantage of NCAA is these schools have the best strength and conditioning coaches in the world as an extension of their football programs and all the other sports they support.. world class track & field, basketball, swimming, wrestling .. list goes on and on..

Graduating players direct to the NHL is something that helps a program recruit.. the top junior players have a lot of options, you don't want to be regarded as standing in the way of a player graduating early and going to the NHL.. it might hurt your team for the next year, but it'll boost your recruiting credibility and program profile..

Totally fair points. It is sure nice to be talking about a guy who looks pretty legit and is putting up numbers on par with some pretty high end guys.

A talented, 6'1, 203, skates like the wind, scoring forward who has some edge to his game who can play center or wing and when at center he's great at draws. Yes please!!

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778362 is a reply to message #778230 ]	Wed, 03 March 2021 19:29

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

Tony Granato was an absolute trainwreck of an NHL coach. He's the guy that blew it when the Avs got Kariya/Selanne for dirt cheap. They made the mistake of saying at the press conference when they were signed that they were looking forward to playing together. Granato said soon afterwards that players don't get to decide their linemates and he NEVER played them together - instead banishing Selanne to the fourth line and saying he had to "earn his icetime" as Selanne failed to light it up playing 10 minutes a night with goons and checkers.

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Re: D. Holloway [message #778512 is a reply to message #778362 ]	Fri, 05 March 2021 01:26

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Adam wrote on Wed, 03 March 2021 18:29

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 March 2021 18:51

Stauffer had Wisconsin coach T. Ganato on his show today, give it a listen, talked about Holloway at length, raved about him, discussed going pro, Granato sounds like a good coach, knows what he has to do, why the better players come to play NCAA, to play pro.. interesting to see if Holloway comes over end of season..

Tony Granato was an absolute trainwreck of an NHL coach. He's the guy that blew it when the Avs got Kariya/Selanne for dirt cheap. They made the mistake of saying at the press conference when they were signed that they were looking forward to playing together. Granato said soon afterwards that players don't get to decide their linemates and he NEVER played them together - instead banishing Selanne to the fourth line and saying he had to "earn his icetime" as Selanne failed to light it up playing 10 minutes a night with goons and checkers.

Looks like he learned his lesson, in NCAA he knows he's selling finished pro products (for recruiting) as well as trying to win games..

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