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Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772738]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:30

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772750 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:36

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Back to back moral victories robbing goalies of shut outs.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772751 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:36

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Pathetic.

I can't pick out a good player tonight. Koskinen was ok?

Just disjointed on zone exits and entries. No forecheck for, succ7mb to forecheck against. Some stupid penalties (Larsson). PP is horrible.

I don't know how a victory comes in Toronto. Did these guys work on anything in camp?

Did not expect this start to the season, 1W, 3L.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772754 is a reply to message #772751 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:38

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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 21:36

Koskinen was soooo bad. Maybe the worst player on the ice.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772762 is a reply to message #772754 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:58

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 21:38

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 21:36

Koskinen was soooo bad. Maybe the worst player on the ice.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772779 is a reply to message #772754 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 23:40

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 21:38

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 21:36

Koskinen was soooo bad. Maybe the worst player on the ice.

Just imagine how this forum would be if it was Mike Smith doing what Koski has been doing this season.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772753 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:36

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Brought this over from the GDT;

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 22:28

IMO Drai and Nurse have been the worse on the ice tonight.

I dont disagree they have been bad but I dont even know how you can single any player or two over others. Kassian has been brutal, Chiasson brought nothing, Larsson had a couple good plays but a handful of bad ones including a couple penalties.
I mean, there were a couple guys that I dont even remember playing, meaning they werent making horrible mistakes but it also means they contrinuted nothing.

Russel has been as good as I can expect from him. Invisible in a good way. I was glad he got out there in the final minute, he earned the try at it and hit the bar.
Yamo had the jump I have come to expect from him.
JP had some moments but disappeared as the game went on.
Happy for Shore.

Overall a pretty pathetic effort.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772755 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:41

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I'm really starting to lose faith in Tippett. Honestly. ANd not even about the coaching stuff. That mask wearing, like, holy crap, what the hell is he doing? Thinking so much less of him these days.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772756 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:42

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0-10 on the PP over the two game set, with two SHG against. That's...not good.

Pretty lifeless looking bunch in these games. Montreal not giving them a lot of room - aggressively attacking the puck - but that should be exploitable if the team is moving the puck quickly or passing well. They're not.

Nurse and Larsson both not looking good out there still. Koskinen wasn't great tonight either.

Top guys didn't take over the game, and as we've seen in the last couple of years, there isn't a lot coming from the supporting cast. The third and fourth lines weren't good in these two games, despite Shore's goal. To be fair, a fourth liner scoring in the fourth game of the season is early versus last year or the year before...

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772758 is a reply to message #772756 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:50

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There are times I question my sanity and watching this version of the Oilers is one of them. Only 4 games into the new season and I'm wondering if getting up any time from 2am is actually worth it. They were toothless, we know the core of this team is OK, but it's the rest of them. Maybe and I say maybe going to Toronto for Wednesday might just bond the team, because I'm not seeing a team at the moment, no cohesion.

Hopefully on Wednesday when the blender stops we might see Bear, Jones and Bouchard thrown out and others kept in the stands, why not they can't do any worse than what we've had so far.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772774 is a reply to message #772758 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 23:16

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Good point on not seeing a team. I don't see one either.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772757 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:48

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You know, I’m not even that bothered tonight.

My care factor is waning very early this season. Maybe because it doesn’t feel like a season? I don’t know. One thing I do know is that I can function quite well without Oiler hockey. It’s just background noise for most of the last couple games for me as I fiddle on my iPad.

A large part of my faith in this organization faded when Nicholson sat there and watched Chiarelli deploy long term damage to the team and finally do something when it was far too late. What a bunch of clowns in this management team.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772760 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:53

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I completely forgot that the Oil were playing tonight. Sometimes, I just get lucky.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772765 is a reply to message #772760 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 22:07

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 21:53

I completely forgot that the Oil were playing tonight. Sometimes, I just get lucky.

I hear you. It used to be something that was always on my mind all day at work. It’s “game day!”

Now I find I have to remind myself there is a game on each night. confused2

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772775 is a reply to message #772765 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 23:19

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I think it's going to be a far less than full barn when people are allowed back in. If they keep playing like this (generally), I think this is a recipe for disaster for the team. How much of a message would it be to host a quarter of your normal crowd for a game?

I wish we would do it to this squad. Finally, after all this utter and constant BS... just let this organization finally feel the ire of PO'd fans. Hit them where it hurts.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772761 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 21:53

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They were a completely different team in the first period than the remainder of the game. They seemed deflated after going ofer on the back to back to back powerplay then came out in the second and just outright sucked again. Montreal didn’t have anything going till that muffin goal but took advantage of the Oilers nonexistent GAF level.

Where do you even begin for a lineup next game?

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772764 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 22:01

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Hockey was supposed to help up lift the pandemic morale, not completely tank it 3/4 nights a week.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772766 is a reply to message #772764 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 22:09

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nullterm wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 22:01

Hockey was supposed to help up lift the pandemic morale, not completely tank it 3/4 nights a week.

The schedule makes it worse, condensing the suck. Seriously not good for fragile mental health. Speaking for myself, seriously.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772769 is a reply to message #772766 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 22:10

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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 23:09

nullterm wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 22:01

Hockey was supposed to help up lift the pandemic morale, not completely tank it 3/4 nights a week.

The schedule makes it worse, condensing the suck. Seriously not good for fragile mental health. Speaking for myself, seriously.

I’m with ya, but let’s be positive amidst the negative. Only 2 more sleeps till we get to watch Connor McDavid walk Morgan Reilly

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772776 is a reply to message #772769 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 23:21

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At this rate, I think we'll be watching Matty walk our entire team in those games. We don't stand a chance against a team that has that kind of firepower.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772770 is a reply to message #772766 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 22:12

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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 22:09

nullterm wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 22:01

Hockey was supposed to help up lift the pandemic morale, not completely tank it 3/4 nights a week.

The schedule makes it worse, condensing the suck. Seriously not good for fragile mental health. Speaking for myself, seriously.

“Condensing the suck”. That might be a good signature.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772772 is a reply to message #772764 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 22:24

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nullterm wrote on Mon, 18 January 2021 22:01

Hockey was supposed to help up lift the pandemic morale, not completely tank it 3/4 nights a week.

Silver lining. Fewer people are going to risk breaking rules to get together to watch these turds smearing their way around the ice.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772777 is a reply to message #772772 ]	Mon, 18 January 2021 23:22

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Good point.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772780 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 07:20

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At the 35 second mark, Jason Gregor asks for what has probably been the 3rd time since the Play In about bringing back the RNH-Drai-Yam line.

It’s unexplainable how you just break up the top line in the NHL last season before covid stopped the games in March and not go back to it at all.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772782 is a reply to message #772780 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 07:24

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 08:20

Hey now, they went back to it. With about 5 minutes left in game 4 of the play in. Ha.

I’m starting to think this forward group isn’t as deep as I thought.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772785 is a reply to message #772782 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 08:34

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 07:24

WhoreableGuy wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 08:20

Hey now, they went back to it. With about 5 minutes left in game 4 of the play in. Ha.

I’m starting to think this forward group isn’t as deep as I thought.

Are all coaches just touchy about things that others tell them they should do? The Nuge-Drai-Yams thing might be like McLellan and playing Strome on McDavid's wing. Just can't do it, because it would seem like the coach gave into the media's pressure.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772788 is a reply to message #772785 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 08:57

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 08:34

It's sure starting to look that way with Tippett, although he should be fine with it because it was him who came up with the trio to start.

To be fair to him, Draisaitl/Yamamoto/Kahun has probably been our best 5-on-5 line through four games and surprisingly, McDavid/Nugent-Hopkins/whoever has struggled a little more.

You wouldn't think taking the most skilled winger away from McDavid would be that helpful.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772789 is a reply to message #772788 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 09:01

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Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 08:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 08:34

Wish we had a better idea of how to compliment McDavid. He badly needs some guys that can work the boards like he had with Maroon. Kassian is not very good along the boards. You'd think he would be, but he's not, like Lucic wasn't. Just being a big oaf unfortunately doesn't automatically mean being good at winning puck battles these days. Nuge is bad too. It's all just hoping for some McMagic with his line, like always.

Whoever is lucky enough to be on McDavid's line when McDavid turns it up to 11 and takes over the game solo becomes the guy that it appears he plays best with. Been a long time since we've actually had guys with him that actually compliment him well and consistently actually help create sustained pressure. I personally don't see a point to sticking to Nuge+McDavid. Like everything else lately, its success just depends on how well McDavid is playing.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772790 is a reply to message #772738 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 09:13

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I'm sure glad this wasn't game 19 or it could be cause for concern!

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772792 is a reply to message #772790 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 09:46

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 09:13

I'm sure glad this wasn't game 19 or it could be cause for concern!

They keep playing like this, they’ll be done by game 19.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772799 is a reply to message #772792 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 11:21

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I am really disappointed with the effort of the star players in that game and the effort of the star players for 3 out of 4 of the games. People can talk until their blue in the face of the importance of depth. Yes depth is important. Yes you need decent players on your 3rd and 4th lines. Yes you need decent players in your 3rd pairing defense but at the end of the day, if your star players, the guys who make all the money and get all the ice time play like crap, you won't win very often. For 3 out of the first 4 games, most of the Oilers stars have been mostly lousy.

Leon: Game 1, I thought he was really good and unlucky not to score more. Game 2, he was excellent. Games 3 and 4, he's been lousy. The difference between how good he was game 1 and 2 vs 3 and 4 is night and day.

McD: Game 1, I thought he was just OK at times but I expected him to be better and look like he was in game 2. Game 2, he was out of this world. Game 3 and 4 he sucked. No sugar coating he, McD sucked in those 2 games. According to some of the stats guys, last night he wasn't in on a single scoring chance, not 1. How a guy that fast and that skilled can't generate a single scoring chance baffles me. I don't expect McD to look like how he looked game 2, there is the other team trying to stop him BUT the difference between game 2 vs 3 and 4 is shocking to me and it wasn't all because the Habs are gods gift to defensive hockey.

Nuge: He was lousy game 1, looked good game 2 and sucked game 3 and 4. The question I have for him is did Nuge actually look good game 2 or was it because McD was so freaking good game 2, that it made Nuge look good. I am a Nuge fan, I want him to stay to end his career but if Nuge thinks he's a 7+ mill player, it's laughable because what these games have shown to me is just how complimentary he truly is. He's still a really good player but he is not a guy who can elevate a line so he shouldn't be paid like that. He NEEDS others to be good so they can drag him along so he can be good. If that wasn't the case, he'd be able to make some kind of plays even if McD isn't going guns a blazing which he hasn't. He's done nothing just like McD.

Those 3 combined make 27 mill which accounts for 33% of the total cap. If those 3 aren't playing at least decent every night, you won't win. Their PP has sucked because those 3 have sucked. That isn't an Oilers thing, that is a every team thing. Guess what, if Matthews, Tavares and Marner all played as bad as those 3 have the last 2 games at least, the Leafs with all their "depth" wouldn't win.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772804 is a reply to message #772799 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 11:45

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:21

I can't get furious at the three guys who've carried tihs team on their back consistently over the last couple years. They're going to have the occasional off-game, and teams are going to focus entirely on them.

Sometimes your depth has to help out, and it's not doing that so far. Defence has been shaky, goaltending has been shaky.

I'm not blaming the stars for this. Could they be better? Yes, but they will be. Everything else is an actual question mark.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772807 is a reply to message #772804 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 12:40

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Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:21

Do I think the whole teams needs to be better? Of course I do. BUT what's realistic for a 3rd line on any team to chip in a goal? A goal every 3-4 games? I don't have that number, maybe someone does but I think that sounds about right. For a 4th line a goal ever 5-6 games?

I look at how the Oilers deploy their lines and I assume most teams are similar. McD's and Leon's line get all the premium offensive minutes and offensive zone starts. If the other team ices the puck, even if the 3rd line was barely on the ice. It's pretty rare you see the 3rd line taking that offensive draw. It's McD or Leon's line that jumps over the boards. The Oilers PP is McD, Leon, Nuge, then 2 others and the other 2 can change but those 3 don't. Those 3 are typically on the ice on the PP for 3/4 of the PP, sometimes the whole thing. The second unit MIGHT and that's a big if, they might get 30 seconds and that's after the ice has been shot down the ice. So that second unit might get 25 seconds on the PP in the offensive zone if they are lucky.

Every one of those 3 typically plays 20+ mins a night along with the majority of the PP time while not playing a lot of defensive time. So while depth is important, those 3 need to be at least decent every single game because they are deployed that way.

McD and Leon each have 5 pts in 4 games, 4 of those points each came in 1 game. Nuge has 3 pts in 4 games, all 3 came in 1 game. So that's 1 point a piece in the other 3 games for McD and Leon and zero for Nuge while all of them are getting 20 mins a night. On top of that, the PP which they play pretty much the whole time has give up 2 short handed goals in 4 games. So while I totally agree the bottom 6 are due for and need to score a goal, I don't see how you win when your 3 main top 6 guys who make the most money and get the most time on ice only have 2 points combined in 3 games out of 4 games on top of giving up 2 shorthanded goals.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772815 is a reply to message #772807 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 13:35

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 12:40

Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:21

I think that's what we've seen here the last few years, but that's miserable 3rd and 4th line production. That would be 20-27 goals a year from your third line and 13-16 goals from your fourth line. Call me crazy, but if my fourth liners are chipping in 5 goals each for an entire season, I think that's terrible production. Some of the depth players on Tampa had almost that in the playoffs last year.

Your third line should be good for 40-45 goals Your fourth line should at least be close to 30. If your team scores 250 goals in a season, that's still only 30% of the offence from those two lines.

Our third and fourth lines have not only not scored, they've been caved in offensively too. Chiasson is -5, Turris is -4, Puljujarvi is -4, Ennis is -3, Archibald is -3, Khaira is -2. Those are the 6 worst numbers on the team.

Corsi tells a similar number. Saw a stat on Puljujarvi's numbers with the various centers he's played time with this year, and he's been very positive in the small time on ice with 97 and 29, but with Turris, they're getting crushed.

At bare minimum, if the bottom six aren't going to produce ANYTHING, then they can't be giving tons up. Right now they're doing both of those things, which puts a greater stress on the top players to outperform.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772821 is a reply to message #772815 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 13:47

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Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 13:35

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 12:40

Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:21

I agree, your bottom 6 needs to chip in from time to time. By your requirement, your 3rd liners should be chipping in 40-45 goals a year, that's 15 goals a piece. I think that's a pretty elite 3rd line getting 15 a piece but OK. So for each of them that's a goal every just over 5 games. So they need to score real quick to meet your requirements.

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772823 is a reply to message #772815 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 14:02

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Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 12:35

Our third and fourth lines have not only not scored, they've been caved in offensively too. Chiasson is -5, Turris is -4, Puljujarvi is -4, Ennis is -3, Archibald is -3, Khaira is -2. Those are the 6 worst numbers on the team.

Corsi tells a similar number. Saw a stat on Puljujarvi's numbers with the various centers he's played time with this year, and he's been very positive in the small time on ice with 97 and 29, but with Turris, they're getting crushed.

At bare minimum, if the bottom six aren't going to produce ANYTHING, then they can't be giving tons up. Right now they're doing both of those things, which puts a greater stress on the top players to outperform.

This is really the key point to me. I've been banging the goal differential drum for a while now, but realistically the Oilers should win the special teams battle on most nights (last night's game notwithstanding). And I think that we can expect that the top 2 lines will outscore the opposition overall (Drai is currently 5GF/1GA and McDavid is 4GF/3GA at 5x5 this season). So really, if the bottom 6 can just break even the Oilers will be more than fine.

This was my concern with the Turris signing. It really doesn't matter how many points he scores. If the opposition is scoring more when he's on the ice (and that's been the case the past couple years on good Nashville teams), then he's not helping the team. It's very early, so I'm willing to cut him some slack, but early returns are not great.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772826 is a reply to message #772823 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 14:10

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Goose wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 13:02

Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 12:35

Yeah Turris has been a disappointment for me as well, really thought he'd do well here as a #3 C, but he's looked weak, and ineffective, at both ends of the ice. 4 games only, but he's not indicated many positive glimpses for me yet..

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Re: Review: Montreal @ Edmonton (Game #4) [message #772812 is a reply to message #772804 ]	Tue, 19 January 2021 13:31

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Adam wrote on Tue, 19 January 2021 11:45

Sometimes your depth has to help out, and it's not doing that so far. Defence has been shaky, goaltending has been shaky.

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