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Looks like Broberg put up 4 points in feb to double his total for the year. Ending up with a reasonable season as a youngin getting limited minutes and offensive opportunity in the SHL.

https://www.shl.se/lag/50e6-50e6DYeWM__skelleftea-aik/qRh-zt vvNake__philip-broberg/gamelog



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Looks like Broberg will stay in Sweden at least through next season.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/oilers-philip- broberg-planning-to-stay-in-sweden/

"Broberg will continue playing for Skelleftea AIK, where he notched one goal and seven helpers in 45 games last season, rather than link up with AHL Bakersfield. Perhaps once the 18-year-old 2020-21 Swedish campaign wraps up, he can join up with the Condors for the final few games of the year."





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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 30 March 2020 13:01

Looks like Broberg will stay in Sweden at least through next season.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/news/oilers-philip- broberg-planning-to-stay-in-sweden/

"Broberg will continue playing for Skelleftea AIK, where he notched one goal and seven helpers in 45 games last season, rather than link up with AHL Bakersfield. Perhaps once the 18-year-old 2020-21 Swedish campaign wraps up, he can join up with the Condors for the final few games of the year."




Shortened season. Potential shortened 20/21. May as well. No harm.



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I wouldn't have been upset if they brought him over to play in the AHL but I have no problem with him staying in Sweden to develop. Looks like they have an organization actually serious about developing talent.


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Bringing in a ringer


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Oilers plan on inviting Swedish first-round pick Philip Broberg to their phase 3 camp which is set to start July 10



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 23 June 2020 17:32

Bringing in a ringer


nhlbymatty @nhl_by_matty
Oilers plan on inviting Swedish first-round pick Philip Broberg to their phase 3 camp which is set to start July 10



Is he eligible to play? or just taxi squad?



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Philip Broberg has already passed Evan Bouchard on the Edmonton Oilers depth chart.
Will he play NHL games this summer? It depends on how far the Oilers go.
My piece: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/philip-broberg-earned-in vitation-stay-oilers-summer/



Wow, all it took was some end to end rushes in team scrimmages and Broberg has left Bouchard in the dust (per Spector).



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Nice to see that it looks like the Oilers have some actual legit talent coming up. You can never have too many good dman in my opinion either on your team or in the organization. I am of the opinion you can turn a dman into a good forward pretty easily.


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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:01

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Philip Broberg has already passed Evan Bouchard on the Edmonton Oilers depth chart.
Will he play NHL games this summer? It depends on how far the Oilers go.
My piece: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/philip-broberg-earned-in vitation-stay-oilers-summer/



Wow, all it took was some end to end rushes in team scrimmages and Broberg has left Bouchard in the dust (per Spector).


Spector is such a meathead. Broberg is a left defenceman, Bouchard is a right defencemen. As rookies, they're not going to throw them in on the wrong side. These two aren't in heated competition with each other. Lagesson might be more worried about Bouchard...

Also, no good team changes their mind about where people are on the depth chart based on a couple good scrimmages. There's too much chance for sample size error. It's great that Broberg's looking good. Hopefully Bouchard is progressing well too. Neither of these guys is likely to start in the playoffs unless our defence gets decimated by injuries.



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I don't pretend to be an expert on either of them but from what I read, they both play different styles. Bouchard is a more calm, cool, always makes the right play, right shot dman with a good shot and an excellent passer. Broberg is more of a dynamic skating, push rushing dman.

I am happy to have BOTH on my team for years to come.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:35

I don't pretend to be an expert on either of them but from what I read, they both play different styles. Bouchard is a more calm, cool, always makes the right play, right shot dman with a good shot and an excellent passer. Broberg is more of a dynamic skating, push rushing dman.

I am happy to have BOTH on my team for years to come.


We'll see. Oilers insiders have over-hyped just about every kid we've drafted for the last couple decades. A lot of it is just about selling hope.

I really hope these guys are both stars and just stud defencemen and both future first-pair guys...but it's early and there's no rush.

The fact is, the guys who you hear talking about this the most have such a long track record of being wrong that you really can't take anything they say at face value.



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Whatever. Both men are ready to be NHLers. Now we can trade someone.


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There was a piece written by Gregor on Oilersnatiion about the expansion draft and how he felt the Oilers should protect 4 dmen - Nurse, Klef, Bear, Jones. I didn't understand that logic because that means you are only protecting 4 forwards and in reality, Jones is a 3rd pairing dman on the Oilers because both Klef and Nurse are lefties and are ahead of him. With Bouchard not needing protection, by the time the expansion draft comes around, you could come out with your entire top 4 intact so Klef Nurse, Bear, Bouchard and if Broberg looks like he will be ready by the expansion year, if you did lose Jones, oh well.

Still a ways to go but it's nice seeing options.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:44

There was a piece written by Gregor on Oilersnatiion about the expansion draft and how he felt the Oilers should protect 4 dmen - Nurse, Klef, Bear, Jones. I didn't understand that logic because that means you are only protecting 4 forwards and in reality, Jones is a 3rd pairing dman on the Oilers because both Klef and Nurse are lefties and are ahead of him. With Bouchard not needing protection, by the time the expansion draft comes around, you could come out with your entire top 4 intact so Klef Nurse, Bear, Bouchard and if Broberg looks like he will be ready by the expansion year, if you did lose Jones, oh well.

Still a ways to go but it's nice seeing options.


Honestly, I think it depends on who they have at forward. Right now, the Oilers only have four forwards I would consider worth protecting more than Jones. Everyone else is a replaceable piece in my opinion.

McDavid
Draisaitl
Nugent-Hopkins (if he re-signs prior)
Yamamoto

Is there any other forward *right now* who is more valuable to the Oilers than Caleb Jones for the Oilers moving forward? Athanasiou? Kassian? Archibald? Neal?

I'm hoping they add some forward depth before then, so maybe things change. But right now I'd rather protect a 24-year-old Jones than a 30-year-old Kassian for example.

Ideally I think you want to come out of the expansion draft with a defensive depth chart looking something like (though I'm truly in no rush to bring Broberg in, especially considering the depth):

Klefbom / Bear
Nurse / Jones
Broberg / Bouchard



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 15:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:44

There was a piece written by Gregor on Oilersnatiion about the expansion draft and how he felt the Oilers should protect 4 dmen - Nurse, Klef, Bear, Jones. I didn't understand that logic because that means you are only protecting 4 forwards and in reality, Jones is a 3rd pairing dman on the Oilers because both Klef and Nurse are lefties and are ahead of him. With Bouchard not needing protection, by the time the expansion draft comes around, you could come out with your entire top 4 intact so Klef Nurse, Bear, Bouchard and if Broberg looks like he will be ready by the expansion year, if you did lose Jones, oh well.

Still a ways to go but it's nice seeing options.


Honestly, I think it depends on who they have at forward. Right now, the Oilers only have four forwards I would consider worth protecting more than Jones. Everyone else is a replaceable piece in my opinion.

McDavid
Draisaitl
Nugent-Hopkins (if he re-signs prior)
Yamamoto

Is there any other forward *right now* who is more valuable to the Oilers than Caleb Jones for the Oilers moving forward? Athanasiou? Kassian? Archibald? Neal?

I'm hoping they add some forward depth before then, so maybe things change. But right now I'd rather protect a 24-year-old Jones than a 30-year-old Kassian for example.

Ideally I think you want to come out of the expansion draft with a defensive depth chart looking something like (though I'm truly in no rush to bring Broberg in, especially considering the depth):

Klefbom / Bear
Nurse / Jones
Broberg / Bouchard

I see protecting Jones as a potential mistake like Florida did with the Vegas draft. They end up protecting 4 dmen. 2 of them were Pysyk is maybe a 4-5 dman and Petrovic was out of the league a couple of seasons later. Right now, Jones is a 5-6 dman. Maybe by the time the expansion draft he can be a #4, I don't see him being higher than a 4. If he was right handed, 100% you protect him but he's left. IN a season and a bit, I don't see him getting out of the 3rd pairing since he is a lefty. I very much see Bouchard in the top 4, much like Bear. So you'd be protecting a 3rd pairing dman.

For forwards, if you go 7-3-1, you can protect your entire top 6, plus you are dipping into the 3rd line and at minimum 3 out of your top 4 and most likely your entire top 4 if Bouchard is in that spot. Plus ideally, if Bouchard isn't ready, I don't see a left shot Jones being that guy.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 15:26

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 15:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:44

There was a piece written by Gregor on Oilersnatiion about the expansion draft and how he felt the Oilers should protect 4 dmen - Nurse, Klef, Bear, Jones. I didn't understand that logic because that means you are only protecting 4 forwards and in reality, Jones is a 3rd pairing dman on the Oilers because both Klef and Nurse are lefties and are ahead of him. With Bouchard not needing protection, by the time the expansion draft comes around, you could come out with your entire top 4 intact so Klef Nurse, Bear, Bouchard and if Broberg looks like he will be ready by the expansion year, if you did lose Jones, oh well.

Still a ways to go but it's nice seeing options.


Honestly, I think it depends on who they have at forward. Right now, the Oilers only have four forwards I would consider worth protecting more than Jones. Everyone else is a replaceable piece in my opinion.

McDavid
Draisaitl
Nugent-Hopkins (if he re-signs prior)
Yamamoto

Is there any other forward *right now* who is more valuable to the Oilers than Caleb Jones for the Oilers moving forward? Athanasiou? Kassian? Archibald? Neal?

I'm hoping they add some forward depth before then, so maybe things change. But right now I'd rather protect a 24-year-old Jones than a 30-year-old Kassian for example.

Ideally I think you want to come out of the expansion draft with a defensive depth chart looking something like (though I'm truly in no rush to bring Broberg in, especially considering the depth):

Klefbom / Bear
Nurse / Jones
Broberg / Bouchard

I see protecting Jones as a potential mistake like Florida did with the Vegas draft. They end up protecting 4 dmen. 2 of them were Pysyk is maybe a 4-5 dman and Petrovic was out of the league a couple of seasons later. Right now, Jones is a 5-6 dman. Maybe by the time the expansion draft he can be a #4, I don't see him being higher than a 4. If he was right handed, 100% you protect him but he's left. IN a season and a bit, I don't see him getting out of the 3rd pairing since he is a lefty. I very much see Bouchard in the top 4, much like Bear. So you'd be protecting a 3rd pairing dman.

For forwards, if you go 7-3-1, you can protect your entire top 6, plus you are dipping into the 3rd line and at minimum 3 out of your top 4 and most likely your entire top 4 if Bouchard is in that spot. Plus ideally, if Bouchard isn't ready, I don't see a left shot Jones being that guy.


Outside of the four I listed, there's no forwards on the Oilers I'm losing sleep over losing. There's not a Marchessault or even a Reilly in the bunch (that was an unforced error by Florida trying to unload Reilly's contract; there will be more of those with Seattle being able to take on salary and a cap crunch coming).

I don't think losing Jones would be disastrous, and so we can debate it, but I think I'd rather protect him - even as a third defensemen - over any of the remaining forwards outside of McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, and Yamamoto. There's just no one there that has the potential or would play the minutes of Jones or that couldn't be easily replaced by the next person on the roster. Let's be honest: Archibald looked just as good with McDavid as Kassian did. Ennis can play in the Top-6 as well as Athanasiou can.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 15:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 15:26

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 15:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:44

There was a piece written by Gregor on Oilersnatiion about the expansion draft and how he felt the Oilers should protect 4 dmen - Nurse, Klef, Bear, Jones. I didn't understand that logic because that means you are only protecting 4 forwards and in reality, Jones is a 3rd pairing dman on the Oilers because both Klef and Nurse are lefties and are ahead of him. With Bouchard not needing protection, by the time the expansion draft comes around, you could come out with your entire top 4 intact so Klef Nurse, Bear, Bouchard and if Broberg looks like he will be ready by the expansion year, if you did lose Jones, oh well.

Still a ways to go but it's nice seeing options.


Honestly, I think it depends on who they have at forward. Right now, the Oilers only have four forwards I would consider worth protecting more than Jones. Everyone else is a replaceable piece in my opinion.

McDavid
Draisaitl
Nugent-Hopkins (if he re-signs prior)
Yamamoto

Is there any other forward *right now* who is more valuable to the Oilers than Caleb Jones for the Oilers moving forward? Athanasiou? Kassian? Archibald? Neal?

I'm hoping they add some forward depth before then, so maybe things change. But right now I'd rather protect a 24-year-old Jones than a 30-year-old Kassian for example.

Ideally I think you want to come out of the expansion draft with a defensive depth chart looking something like (though I'm truly in no rush to bring Broberg in, especially considering the depth):

Klefbom / Bear
Nurse / Jones
Broberg / Bouchard

I see protecting Jones as a potential mistake like Florida did with the Vegas draft. They end up protecting 4 dmen. 2 of them were Pysyk is maybe a 4-5 dman and Petrovic was out of the league a couple of seasons later. Right now, Jones is a 5-6 dman. Maybe by the time the expansion draft he can be a #4, I don't see him being higher than a 4. If he was right handed, 100% you protect him but he's left. IN a season and a bit, I don't see him getting out of the 3rd pairing since he is a lefty. I very much see Bouchard in the top 4, much like Bear. So you'd be protecting a 3rd pairing dman.

For forwards, if you go 7-3-1, you can protect your entire top 6, plus you are dipping into the 3rd line and at minimum 3 out of your top 4 and most likely your entire top 4 if Bouchard is in that spot. Plus ideally, if Bouchard isn't ready, I don't see a left shot Jones being that guy.


Outside of the four I listed, there's no forwards on the Oilers I'm losing sleep over losing. There's not a Marchessault or even a Reilly in the bunch (that was an unforced error by Florida trying to unload Reilly's contract; there will be more of those with Seattle being able to take on salary and a cap crunch coming).

I don't think losing Jones would be disastrous, and so we can debate it, but I think I'd rather protect him - even as a third defensemen - over any of the remaining forwards outside of McDavid, Draisaitl, RNH, and Yamamoto. There's just no one there that has the potential or would play the minutes of Jones or that couldn't be easily replaced by the next person on the roster. Let's be honest: Archibald looked just as good with McDavid as Kassian did. Ennis can play in the Top-6 as well as Athanasiou can.

I'm hopeful that Athansiou can find his form. He scored 30 last year. Coming off a down year in Detroit, you could be getting potentially a dirt cheap 20-30 goal winger that has blazing speed and skill. Put him on Leon's wing and tell him to go to the net with his stick down as he blows by dmen. I would hate to lose him.

But like you said, I am not losing too much sleep if they only protect 4 forwards. I just think that why protect a dman who based on the depth chart of Klef and Nurse ahead of him, he's not getting out of the 3rd pairing for the next 3-4 yrs minimum just because both those guys are in there primes for easily 3+ years, Probably more. You could come away with your 10 best skaters vs 7-8 best. If things work out, Jones in 2 season could be your 5th best dman with Klef, Nurse, Bear, Bouchard ahead of him with maybe Broberg nipping at his heels for his spot.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 15:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:44

There was a piece written by Gregor on Oilersnatiion about the expansion draft and how he felt the Oilers should protect 4 dmen - Nurse, Klef, Bear, Jones. I didn't understand that logic because that means you are only protecting 4 forwards and in reality, Jones is a 3rd pairing dman on the Oilers because both Klef and Nurse are lefties and are ahead of him. With Bouchard not needing protection, by the time the expansion draft comes around, you could come out with your entire top 4 intact so Klef Nurse, Bear, Bouchard and if Broberg looks like he will be ready by the expansion year, if you did lose Jones, oh well.

Still a ways to go but it's nice seeing options.


Honestly, I think it depends on who they have at forward. Right now, the Oilers only have four forwards I would consider worth protecting more than Jones. Everyone else is a replaceable piece in my opinion.

McDavid
Draisaitl
Nugent-Hopkins (if he re-signs prior)
Yamamoto

Is there any other forward *right now* who is more valuable to the Oilers than Caleb Jones for the Oilers moving forward? Athanasiou? Kassian? Archibald? Neal?

I'm hoping they add some forward depth before then, so maybe things change. But right now I'd rather protect a 24-year-old Jones than a 30-year-old Kassian for example.

Ideally I think you want to come out of the expansion draft with a defensive depth chart looking something like (though I'm truly in no rush to bring Broberg in, especially considering the depth):

Klefbom / Bear
Nurse / Jones
Broberg / Bouchard


If there was only a way to protect an extra skater while leaving all the goalies available...

I tend to agree on Jones. At this point, no one has emerged who needs protecting more, and there's more value in an up-and-coming defenceman than there is in a journeyman forward.

The Oilers don't need to protect seven forwards, because none of the other ones are huge losses at this point.

That would change were the Oilers to sign someone like Taylor Hall in the off-season, but that seems far-fetched and unlikely. Simply from the point of view of who could you get more for if you traded them, Jones is the better choice over Kassian or Athanasiou. The Oilers currently only have 8 forwards total who need protecting (assuming they re-sign RFAs) - McDavid, Draisaitl, Neal, Athanasiou, Kassian, Khaira, Archibald, Yamamoto. You'd like to assume they find a way to extend Nugent-Hopkins and he makes it 9, but really, other than the ones Mightyreasoner mentioned, is there anyone else you'd be heart-broken to lose?

Interesting dynamic with flat or depressed cap and an expansion draft to come - I wonder if we don't see more one-year deals this year with players betting on things improving post-COVID and teams preferring to have UFAs they don't need to protect. You might still have the inside track on re-signing the player and you wouldn't have to worry about protecting them from Seattle. Benning and Larsson (if re-signed) would also be available to Seattle and they still may be picked ahead of the forwards unless the team pays out something in order to convince them to take a forward. If you have a choice, you're getting Seattle to take James Neal and removing that boat anchor of a contract.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:40

Whatever. Both men are ready to be NHLers. Now we can trade someone.


A right and a left shot guy can go! Usually the Oilers just ship out whoever our best guy is...although they really need to do something to erode their value first - publicly suggest that they're replaceable now? Maybe that they're declining?



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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:40

Whatever. Both men are ready to be NHLers. Now we can trade someone.


A right and a left shot guy can go! Usually the Oilers just ship out whoever our best guy is...although they really need to do something to erode their value first - publicly suggest that they're replaceable now? Maybe that they're declining?


Klefbom is injury prone and a Swede. That's a good place to start... the soft Swede.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:58

Adam wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:52

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:40

Whatever. Both men are ready to be NHLers. Now we can trade someone.


A right and a left shot guy can go! Usually the Oilers just ship out whoever our best guy is...although they really need to do something to erode their value first - publicly suggest that they're replaceable now? Maybe that they're declining?


Klefbom is injury prone and a Swede. That's a good place to start... the soft Swede.

I got this one right. It's not the guy we're talking about or for the right reasons, but I still nailed it.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:28

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 July 2020 13:01

Mark Spector @SportsnetSpec
Philip Broberg has already passed Evan Bouchard on the Edmonton Oilers depth chart.
Will he play NHL games this summer? It depends on how far the Oilers go.
My piece: https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/philip-broberg-earned-in vitation-stay-oilers-summer/



Wow, all it took was some end to end rushes in team scrimmages and Broberg has left Bouchard in the dust (per Spector).


Spector is such a meathead. Broberg is a left defenceman, Bouchard is a right defencemen. As rookies, they're not going to throw them in on the wrong side. These two aren't in heated competition with each other. Lagesson might be more worried about Bouchard...

Also, no good team changes their mind about where people are on the depth chart based on a couple good scrimmages. There's too much chance for sample size error. It's great that Broberg's looking good. Hopefully Bouchard is progressing well too. Neither of these guys is likely to start in the playoffs unless our defence gets decimated by injuries.


Your story line does not get clicks. You’re accurate, but what fun is “He’s look better than expected in TC, but temper your expectations”?



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MY guess is that Bouchard's game will never be flashy, he will just get stuff done and when you slide your finger down the score sheet, you will see his name. He put up point for fun in junior and had 36 pts in 54 games in the AHL. Being that was his first year in pro hockey, that's pretty darn good. Where as Broberg and his dynamic skating might be more flashy.

I am cool to have both on my team.



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Nice goal by Broberg

https://twitter.com/antonj85/status/1304454101279879171?s=20



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 11 September 2020 10:52

Nice goal by Broberg

https://twitter.com/antonj85/status/1304454101279879171?s=20


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He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...



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Adam wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 10:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...

Good lord man. Do you just try to spin everything negative? You are right, he's a teenage and things could change but right now things are going about as well as they get with a pick. He played well in the Swedish league after getting drafted though he was limited in minutes. He comes over to the camp and is a stand out. Again limited time but he could have easily looked completely out of place given his age and most wouldn't have given it a second thought. But he didn't and he turned a lot of heads. Now he's started off really well in Sweden which is exactly what anyone should want.

Why is it such a terrible thing to celebrate anything positive? To laugh at a person because they don't want to be miserable all the time about their team. I don't get it.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 10:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...


If he's gonna take a step up, this would be the year to expect it.

The lineup from his teams twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eho7FdsXkAYwHCQ?format=jpg&name=small

1st pair. Hopefully means PP time too. I think he was 3rd pair most of last year and worked his way up late in the season. This year he's gonna get lots of opportunity, if he keeps deserving it.


Side note. Kudos to "Wingerli" overcoming the odds and becoming a Center.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 11:51

Adam wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 10:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...


If he's gonna take a step up, this would be the year to expect it.

The lineup from his teams twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eho7FdsXkAYwHCQ?format=jpg&name=small

1st pair. Hopefully means PP time too. I think he was 3rd pair most of last year and worked his way up late in the season. This year he's gonna get lots of opportunity, if he keeps deserving it.


Side note. Kudos to "Wingerli" overcoming the odds and becoming a Center.


My conclusion is the Oilers should cut the kid loose before he has tons of abuse heaped on him from the Edmonton media and oilfans and/or breaks all of our hearts. Let him find his way through another NHL team's system.

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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 12:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 11:51

Adam wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 10:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...


If he's gonna take a step up, this would be the year to expect it.

The lineup from his teams twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eho7FdsXkAYwHCQ?format=jpg&name=small

1st pair. Hopefully means PP time too. I think he was 3rd pair most of last year and worked his way up late in the season. This year he's gonna get lots of opportunity, if he keeps deserving it.


Side note. Kudos to "Wingerli" overcoming the odds and becoming a Center.


My conclusion is the Oilers should cut the kid loose before he has tons of abuse heaped on him from the Edmonton media and oilfans and/or breaks all of our hearts. Let him find his way through another NHL team's system.

Jeff Petry says hello



That would be way too quick. He has to look good for at least 30 games for us first so we can trade away Klef. Ideally we get him to his last RFA year and give him a 1 year "show me" contract.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 15:18

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 12:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 11:51

Adam wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 10:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...


If he's gonna take a step up, this would be the year to expect it.

The lineup from his teams twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eho7FdsXkAYwHCQ?format=jpg&name=small

1st pair. Hopefully means PP time too. I think he was 3rd pair most of last year and worked his way up late in the season. This year he's gonna get lots of opportunity, if he keeps deserving it.


Side note. Kudos to "Wingerli" overcoming the odds and becoming a Center.


My conclusion is the Oilers should cut the kid loose before he has tons of abuse heaped on him from the Edmonton media and oilfans and/or breaks all of our hearts. Let him find his way through another NHL team's system.

Jeff Petry says hello



That would be way too quick. He has to look good for at least 30 games for us first so we can trade away Klef. Ideally we get him to his last RFA year and give him a 1 year "show me" contract.


Exactly. Then we bump him up to the first pairing to fill Klef's spot. He predictably struggles, so we crap all over him, dump him for spare parts, then see him flourish on the 3rd or 2nd pairing on whichever team he got traded to. And so the cycle continues.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 12:58

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 15:18

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 12:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 11:51

Adam wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 10:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...


If he's gonna take a step up, this would be the year to expect it.

The lineup from his teams twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eho7FdsXkAYwHCQ?format=jpg&name=small

1st pair. Hopefully means PP time too. I think he was 3rd pair most of last year and worked his way up late in the season. This year he's gonna get lots of opportunity, if he keeps deserving it.


Side note. Kudos to "Wingerli" overcoming the odds and becoming a Center.


My conclusion is the Oilers should cut the kid loose before he has tons of abuse heaped on him from the Edmonton media and oilfans and/or breaks all of our hearts. Let him find his way through another NHL team's system.

Jeff Petry says hello



That would be way too quick. He has to look good for at least 30 games for us first so we can trade away Klef. Ideally we get him to his last RFA year and give him a 1 year "show me" contract.


Exactly. Then we bump him up to the first pairing to fill Klef's spot. He predictably struggles, so we crap all over him, dump him for spare parts, then see him flourish on the 3rd or 2nd pairing on whichever team he got traded to. And so the cycle continues.


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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 11:51

Adam wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 10:33

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 14 September 2020 09:37

He just keeps getting better and better and doing it quickly. It's still early but it looks like he is legit and this was the right pick.


Haha...this is the kind of comment that doesn't age well when talking about teenagers that you only have seen a couple of YouTube clips from.

Hopefully he continues to track well. It's very early days yet. There may yet be times that we wished we picked Cole Caufield (as an example).

His numbers from 2019-20 paralleled those in his draft year - which isn't usually what you'd hope to see. It's hard to know without more information though how he was being used, and what the factors were that went in to that.

He skates well and was praised highly by Edmonton media when he was here in the summer, but this is the same Edmonton media who's been doing that for every high pick or trade-acquired prospect since time began. I don't think you can put a lot of stock in to it - they're asked to sell high on any future guy, especially when it's someone who the new GM went out on a ledge to pick.

We shall see - we could really use a couple cheap stud defencemen to come in and make immediate impacts...


If he's gonna take a step up, this would be the year to expect it.

The lineup from his teams twitter:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eho7FdsXkAYwHCQ?format=jpg&name=small

1st pair. Hopefully means PP time too. I think he was 3rd pair most of last year and worked his way up late in the season. This year he's gonna get lots of opportunity, if he keeps deserving it.


Side note. Kudos to "Wingerli" overcoming the odds and becoming a Center.

I think he was in their 3rd paring last year so moving up to the first is a good things. I hope it continues. Always nice seeing some positive things happen to an Oilers player or prospect.

[Updated on: Tue, 15 September 2020 09:25]


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Broberg with a goal and 2A in first game of season.. 21 minutes TOI..
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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 19 September 2020 11:42

Broberg with a goal and 2A in first game of season.. 21 minutes TOI..
Happy days!


https://twitter.com/skelleftea_aik/status/130732995542931456 2


Nice. Already matched his goal total from last season.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 19 September 2020 13:42

Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 19 September 2020 11:42

Broberg with a goal and 2A in first game of season.. 21 minutes TOI..
Happy days!


https://twitter.com/skelleftea_aik/status/130732995542931456 2


Nice. Already matched his goal total from last season.


Broberg and Bouchard Coming soon. Bear already here.

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.. bump..

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Highlight of one of his nice plays couple games ago

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 14 November 2021 10:40

Good start for BroBeast in the AHL. In SteelCroft we trust.

9 apples in 12 games.

Highlight of one of his nice plays couple games ago

https://twitter.com/bcurlock/status/1459397410136879104?s=20



Lots of love for Manson on defenceman development too.

And some criticism that once they get to Edmonton they then have to have Playfair instead...



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