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 Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762362]
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I’ve been to every Jersey retirement night and framed the tickets with a mini banner. To this point I’ve been to more retirement games than Lowe, who ducked out of the Messier retirement ceremony because he wasn’t brave enough to face the crowd after he traded Smytty earlier in the day. Now me and Lowe will be tied. I won’t be at that game.

Congrats to Kenny though. Well deserved.

[Updated on: Wed, 24 June 2020 14:58]

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762367 is a reply to message #762362 ]
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Wow it actually happened. Speak of the devil huh?

Congratulations Kevin?

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762369 is a reply to message #762362 ]
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I'm literally stunned.

Looking at the list of players on the outside looking in, it's shocking that someone like Lowe is inducted. I didn't, and still don't, think he is a players worthy of HHOF or number retirement.

The only thing I can really think of is that with the induction of Carbonneau last year and Lowe this year, that the selection committee is placing a greater emphasis on defensive specialists. Does that open the doors for guys like Jere Lehtinen, Mike Peca, Adam Foote, Glen Wesley, etc.? Probably locks in sub-1000 point players like Patrice Bergeron, Pavel Datsyuk, and Jonathan Toews.

Anyways, the argument I had against retiring his jersey is gone I guess (HHOF requirement), so it's going to happen, and it won't be enjoyable to watch or look at.

One positive: I guess Hamilton's number won't look so out of place now though.

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762376 is a reply to message #762369 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:26

I'm literally stunned.

Looking at the list of players on the outside looking in, it's shocking that someone like Lowe is inducted. I didn't, and still don't, think he is a players worthy of HHOF or number retirement.

The only thing I can really think of is that with the induction of Carbonneau last year and Lowe this year, that the selection committee is placing a greater emphasis on defensive specialists. Does that open the doors for guys like Jere Lehtinen, Mike Peca, Adam Foote, Glen Wesley, etc.? Probably locks in sub-1000 point players like Patrice Bergeron, Pavel Datsyuk, and Jonathan Toews.

Anyways, the argument I had against retiring his jersey is gone I guess (HHOF requirement), so it's going to happen, and it won't be enjoyable to watch or look at.

One positive: I guess Hamilton's number won't look so out of place now though.


The other silver lining? We'll pretty much HAVE to trade Russell away now. Need that jersey back pronto!

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762383 is a reply to message #762362 ]
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The kicker is our boy Burkie had one of the 18 votes

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762386 is a reply to message #762383 ]
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Other than team success, what drives the case to have Lowe admitted to the Hall? That's what I don't get. Not great points, not exactly air-tight defensively always - the Oilers allowed a LOT of goals against, and Huddy/Coffey were better for +/-. He had some toughness, but lots of players have that.

I saw arguments about leadership and culture building but the team had Gretzky and Messier. We see so many comments about Mess as the greatest leader ever, and Messier says Gretzky was the best leader he ever played with. How critical is Lowe then?

I don't get it - other than he's got buddies on the selection committee.

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762395 is a reply to message #762386 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 18:12

Other than team success, what drives the case to have Lowe admitted to the Hall? That's what I don't get. Not great points, not exactly air-tight defensively always - the Oilers allowed a LOT of goals against, and Huddy/Coffey were better for +/-. He had some toughness, but lots of players have that.

I saw arguments about leadership and culture building but the team had Gretzky and Messier. We see so many comments about Mess as the greatest leader ever, and Messier says Gretzky was the best leader he ever played with. How critical is Lowe then?

I don't get it - other than he's got buddies on the selection committee.


Lowe was the narrator for The Boys on the Bus. That has to be a big argument in his favour.

Also, now I think there is a great case for Huddy to get the call. Too bad no one like +/- as a stat anymore.

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762418 is a reply to message #762383 ]
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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:08

The kicker is our boy Burkie had one of the 18 votes


Here's the committee that voted:

https://www.hhof.com/htmlInduct/indselect.shtml

Makes it easier to see why Lowe got in:

Kurri - former Oiler teammate
Gartner - former Ranger teammate
Davidson - buddy of Gretzky
Robitaille - buddy of Gretzky
Clarke - some Team Canada cross-over I believe
Francis - peer, Team Canada cross-over?
Larionov - peer, friend of Gretzky
Hedberg - peer
Mike Murphy - assistant coach of the Rangers for some of Lowe's time there
Burke - good friend of Lowe's pre-Penner, and then patched up things after death of his son

It really is about who you know...

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762427 is a reply to message #762418 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:39

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:08

The kicker is our boy Burkie had one of the 18 votes


Here's the committee that voted:

https://www.hhof.com/htmlInduct/indselect.shtml

Makes it easier to see why Lowe got in:

Kurri - former Oiler teammate
Gartner - former Ranger teammate
Davidson - buddy of Gretzky
Robitaille - buddy of Gretzky
Clarke - some Team Canada cross-over I believe
Francis - peer, Team Canada cross-over?
Larionov - peer, friend of Gretzky
Hedberg - peer
Mike Murphy - assistant coach of the Rangers for some of Lowe's time there
Burke - good friend of Lowe's pre-Penner, and then patched up things after death of his son

It really is about who you know...


6 cups without winning one for MOntreal!!!!! Do you know how many guys can say that?!?!?

Really though. If a loser like Wilson can get in, this was a no brainer.

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- Lowe, 2013

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- MacT, 2015

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762437 is a reply to message #762427 ]
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The only thing I like about this it that it pisses on the flames parade about Iggy getting in icon_lol But I really hope they don't retire #4, good number just hopefully not on kris Russell soon

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #763024 is a reply to message #762418 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:39

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:08

The kicker is our boy Burkie had one of the 18 votes


Here's the committee that voted:

https://www.hhof.com/htmlInduct/indselect.shtml

Makes it easier to see why Lowe got in:

Kurri - former Oiler teammate
Gartner - former Ranger teammate
Davidson - buddy of Gretzky
Robitaille - buddy of Gretzky
Clarke - some Team Canada cross-over I believe
Francis - peer, Team Canada cross-over?
Larionov - peer, friend of Gretzky
Hedberg - peer
Mike Murphy - assistant coach of the Rangers for some of Lowe's time there
Burke - good friend of Lowe's pre-Penner, and then patched up things after death of his son

It really is about who you know...

So apparently you need 14 of 18 votes to get in. How the hell did 14 of these people think Lowe was good at hockey?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.


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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762398 is a reply to message #762362 ]
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Next HHOF Oiler Push[ 22 vote(s) ]
1.Charlie Huddy 4 / 18%
2.Andy Moog 4 / 18%
3.Steve Smith 0 / 0%
4.Esa Tikkanen 4 / 18%
5.Dave Semenko 0 / 0%
6.Kelly Buchberger 0 / 0%
7.Craig MacTavish 3 / 14%
8.Ryan Smyth* 7 / 32%

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

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McDavid.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:54

McDavid.


Weight (because he gets the US tie-breaker)

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:03

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:54

McDavid.


Weight (because he gets the US tie-breaker)

I'm not against this if only because it'll force the Oilers to acknowledge a time after 1992.

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 Re: Kevin Lowe and Ken Holland inducted into HHOF [message #762402 is a reply to message #762398 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.

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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.


Look, we all know that there won't be peace until every member of the Dynasty has their number in the rafters of Rogers Place and their name enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:49

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.


Look, we all know that there won't be peace until every member of the Dynasty has their number in the rafters of Rogers Place and their name enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame.


How many members of the 1984 Cup winning team do they bring back for the celebration of Lowe's number retirement? There's a gap in the schedule since next year is the 35th anniversary of the Smith own-goal, and the 30th anniversary of the 1991 last hurrah team that fell to the North Stars, so not a lot of reasons to assemble the troops next year other than Lowe's party...unless maybe the 40th anniversary of upsetting the Habs in the first round is a big enough deal...

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Adam wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 18:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:49

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.


Look, we all know that there won't be peace until every member of the Dynasty has their number in the rafters of Rogers Place and their name enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame.


How many members of the 1984 Cup winning team do they bring back for the celebration of Lowe's number retirement? There's a gap in the schedule since next year is the 35th anniversary of the Smith own-goal, and the 30th anniversary of the 1991 last hurrah team that fell to the North Stars, so not a lot of reasons to assemble the troops next year other than Lowe's party...unless maybe the 40th anniversary of upsetting the Habs in the first round is a big enough deal...


I think everyone, including those of us who saw the dynasty from the beginning, is ready to move on.

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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 11:40

Adam wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 18:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:49

K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:01

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

None of the above.


Look, we all know that there won't be peace until every member of the Dynasty has their number in the rafters of Rogers Place and their name enshrined in the Hockey Hall of Fame.


How many members of the 1984 Cup winning team do they bring back for the celebration of Lowe's number retirement? There's a gap in the schedule since next year is the 35th anniversary of the Smith own-goal, and the 30th anniversary of the 1991 last hurrah team that fell to the North Stars, so not a lot of reasons to assemble the troops next year other than Lowe's party...unless maybe the 40th anniversary of upsetting the Habs in the first round is a big enough deal...


I think everyone, including those of us who saw the dynasty from the beginning, is ready to move on.



Probably most of us here at least. I was 7 when they won the first Cup, so those guys were all heroes to me...but it's definitely some overkill with the focus back on a single piece of the team's history.

I'm not sure that everyone in the city is there though - have they ever had one of these reunions that wasn't sold right out?

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 16:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary

Why not Strudwick? At least he’s likeable.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary



Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary



Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !


Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:45

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary



Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !


Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.


I saw Cujo's named mentioned in the potentials for this years HHOF draft, I'd much rather he go in than Weight.

I think some of the reason as to why we don't celebrate that era is that due to the financial constraints we were under and coming off the back of the dynasty all our better players left. This was mainly due to wanting more money, and it left us supporting those that were like us the fans loyal to the club and we can't say that Smytty wasn't loyal at that point.

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Leia wrote on Thu, 25 June 2020 01:35

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:45

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary



Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !


Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.


I saw Cujo's named mentioned in the potentials for this years HHOF draft, I'd much rather he go in than Weight.

I think some of the reason as to why we don't celebrate that era is that due to the financial constraints we were under and coming off the back of the dynasty all our better players left. This was mainly due to wanting more money, and it left us supporting those that were like us the fans loyal to the club and we can't say that Smytty wasn't loyal at that point.


I think this is only part of it. There's definitely a tendency to celebrate the successes more, and the 80s crew had massive success. But they are all over the organization still, and they had almost no connection to that team of the 90s. They were all in LA and NY and would just come play here occasionally.

Some of the second tier from then - Ranford, Tikkanen - were still here for a few years of it, but they missed the good parts, really just here for the 4 years of no playoffs. The upsets in 1997 and 1998 didn't mean much to Gretzky, Messier, etc. because they were busy with their own careers at the time. At the end of that decade, Lowe and MacTavish come back and take over the team, so they're all invested again (although likely won't ever celebrate those first few years because A) there was no success and B) everyone who left, Lowe and MacTavish pissed off first.

It'll be interesting to see how the Hemsky/Horcoff/Hall/Eberle era gets remembered too. Almost no one has been happy here by the time they left, and the team's done so many hatchet jobs on reputations after players leave that they may have burned a lot of bridges. Maybe all we can hope for is that the current team actually wins some Cups so that they don't leave in misery too, with McDavid hating the team for wasting his prime.

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:45

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary



Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !


Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

I feel like you’re my doppelgänger that I’ve never met, I don’t know you or have met you but agree with everything you post on here and it’s kind of scary, not pumping your tires at all but I swear I’m batting 1.000 with your opinions (even the Taylor Hall stuff but too scared to come out).

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 15:51

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Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

I feel like you’re my doppelgänger that I’ve never met, I don’t know you or have met you but agree with everything you post on here and it’s kind of scary, not pumping your tires at all but I swear I’m batting 1.000 with your opinions (even the Taylor Hall stuff but too scared to come out).


My opinions are fairly non-standard around here. Not sure you want to be agreeing with me. You'll get stuck at the freaks and weirdos table at the Oilfans High Cafateria.

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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 17:55

WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 15:51

NetBOG



Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

I feel like you’re my doppelgänger that I’ve never met, I don’t know you or have met you but agree with everything you post on here and it’s kind of scary, not pumping your tires at all but I swear I’m batting 1.000 with your opinions (even the Taylor Hall stuff but too scared to come out).


My opinions are fairly non-standard around here. Not sure you want to be agreeing with me. You'll get stuck at the freaks and weirdos table at the Oilfans High Cafateria.

Doug Weight > Ryan Smyth


however:

Taylor Hall is a great hockey player. ;P

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 June 2020 19:55

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 17:55

WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 15:51

NetBOG



Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

I feel like you’re my doppelgänger that I’ve never met, I don’t know you or have met you but agree with everything you post on here and it’s kind of scary, not pumping your tires at all but I swear I’m batting 1.000 with your opinions (even the Taylor Hall stuff but too scared to come out).


My opinions are fairly non-standard around here. Not sure you want to be agreeing with me. You'll get stuck at the freaks and weirdos table at the Oilfans High Cafateria.

Doug Weight > Ryan Smyth


however:

Taylor Hall is a great hockey player. ;P


I think most people on this site would pick Weight over Smyth. I would, and it's not all that close.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 29 June 2020 20:43

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 June 2020 19:55

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 17:55

WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 27 June 2020 15:51

NetBOG



Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.

I feel like you’re my doppelgänger that I’ve never met, I don’t know you or have met you but agree with everything you post on here and it’s kind of scary, not pumping your tires at all but I swear I’m batting 1.000 with your opinions (even the Taylor Hall stuff but too scared to come out).


My opinions are fairly non-standard around here. Not sure you want to be agreeing with me. You'll get stuck at the freaks and weirdos table at the Oilfans High Cafateria.

Doug Weight > Ryan Smyth


however:

Taylor Hall is a great hockey player. ;P


Agreed. While I like Smyth as a player, Weight was in another level and it wasn't even close.

I think most people on this site would pick Weight over Smyth. I would, and it's not all that close.

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 19:45

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 20:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary



Smytty will always be in my Hall Of Fame !


Never understood the love for Smyth and not Weight in this town.


I actually like both players, just like Smytty more, both as an Oiler, and for representing Canada all those years, with success.. I'd put both in the HHoF.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 15:48

Now that Kevin Lowe is in, which Boy on the Bus is next to be pushed for HHOF / jersey retirement by the Edmonton media and Oilers Alumni?

*honourary


I voted Esa, but really I think we're done until we Win something again.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Kevin Lowe: 1254 GP, 84 G, 348A, 432P, 6 Stanley Cups
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As a player it's deserved, 6 rings top 2 and 4 D throughout his career, captained. He is a hall of famer.

As an executive? He's been terrible, boorish, and grossly incompetent and YET he still has a job with the Oilers...... but but BUT you know he doesn't have a hand in day to day hockey operations... SUUUURE KLowe... sure.

As a player, yep, Hall of Famer!

Executive, he's the worst of the worse... like almost worst as Milbury bad. However he did pull those trades in 06... which ranks up high with me... everything else... blech...

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Rocksteady wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:05

As a player it's deserved, 6 rings top 2 and 4 D throughout his career, captained. He is a hall of famer.

As an executive? He's been terrible, boorish, and grossly incompetent and YET he still has a job with the Oilers...... but but BUT you know he doesn't have a hand in day to day hockey operations... SUUUURE KLowe... sure.

As a player, yep, Hall of Famer!

Executive, he's the worst of the worse... like almost worst as Milbury bad. However he did pull those trades in 06... which ranks up high with me... everything else... blech...

If every player who has no statistical reason to be in the HOF gets in then this makes perfect sense

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Remember, He's been involved with every Team Canada which had NHLers since 2000. This is a hybrid player/builder induction, much like Doug Wilson.

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:33

Remember, He's been involved with every Team Canada which had NHLers since 2000. This is a hybrid player/builder induction, much like Doug Wilson.

Haha

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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 24 June 2020 17:33

Remember, He's been involved with every Team Canada which had NHLers since 2000. This is a hybrid player/builder induction, much like Doug Wilson.


It occurs to me that the big jersey retirement push from several Edmonton media guys came right around the time the Committee would have been voting on this. I think this was something that the Oilers & Lowe campaigned hard for. The time was ripe - weak draft class no matter what, and a selection committee that was stacked with friends of Lowe & Gretzky's. It really was a perfect storm for them.

Gregor mentioning now that Carbonneau got in last year and Lowe this year to maybe the HHOF looking at adding more defensive players. I think that's a mistake. Most of those players just aren't as good - if they were, they would contribute more at both ends of the rink.

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Awesome!

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