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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752020 is a reply to message #752012 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 14:08

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Probably belongs in speculation, but I guess we can find out for sure after the ASG :) This is a claim from someone that has knowledge of the production of his special:

-The range of medical opinions was crazy; one doctor said surgery was needed immediately and that he would need two years of rehab;
-The Oilers paid $4M to assemble a team of something like 10 specialists to develop a regimen for Connor to follow in a private facility near Toronto (NDAs etc. are the reason that the media didn't have the full story); and
-For large portions of the summer, Connor was in the pool for 10+ hours a day.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752021 is a reply to message #752020 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 14:24

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:08

Probably belongs in speculation, but I guess we can find out for sure after the ASG :) This is a claim from someone that has knowledge of the production of his special:

-The range of medical opinions was crazy; one doctor said surgery was needed immediately and that he would need two years of rehab;
-The Oilers paid $4M to assemble a team of something like 10 specialists to develop a regimen for Connor to follow in a private facility near Toronto (NDAs etc. are the reason that the media didn't have the full story); and
-For large portions of the summer, Connor was in the pool for 10+ hours a day.

Whatever they did, it clearly worked and was the right decision. The guy is better than ever.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752022 is a reply to message #752021 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 14:58

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:24

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:08

Probably belongs in speculation, but I guess we can find out for sure after the ASG :) This is a claim from someone that has knowledge of the production of his special:

-The range of medical opinions was crazy; one doctor said surgery was needed immediately and that he would need two years of rehab;
-The Oilers paid $4M to assemble a team of something like 10 specialists to develop a regimen for Connor to follow in a private facility near Toronto (NDAs etc. are the reason that the media didn't have the full story); and
-For large portions of the summer, Connor was in the pool for 10+ hours a day.

Whatever they did, it clearly worked and was the right decision. The guy is better than ever.

Or it's a great short-term solution but delays the inevitable, much like when the Oilers delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full-year for Nugent-Hopkins...or when they delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full year for Oscar Klefbom.

Hopefully this works out well - but the Oilers don't have a great track record on this stuff...they prefer to play the wheels off guys who are hurt - even in seasons where we haven't been competitive.

It does seem really interesting that the usage of McDavid has been so high given that he was coming back from this...

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752023 is a reply to message #752022 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 15:01

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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:24

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:08

Probably belongs in speculation, but I guess we can find out for sure after the ASG :) This is a claim from someone that has knowledge of the production of his special:

-The range of medical opinions was crazy; one doctor said surgery was needed immediately and that he would need two years of rehab;
-The Oilers paid $4M to assemble a team of something like 10 specialists to develop a regimen for Connor to follow in a private facility near Toronto (NDAs etc. are the reason that the media didn't have the full story); and
-For large portions of the summer, Connor was in the pool for 10+ hours a day.

Whatever they did, it clearly worked and was the right decision. The guy is better than ever.

OK sky is always falling Adam. Thanks for that.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752024 is a reply to message #752022 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 15:05

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Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:24

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:08

Probably belongs in speculation, but I guess we can find out for sure after the ASG :) This is a claim from someone that has knowledge of the production of his special:

-The range of medical opinions was crazy; one doctor said surgery was needed immediately and that he would need two years of rehab;
-The Oilers paid $4M to assemble a team of something like 10 specialists to develop a regimen for Connor to follow in a private facility near Toronto (NDAs etc. are the reason that the media didn't have the full story); and
-For large portions of the summer, Connor was in the pool for 10+ hours a day.

Whatever they did, it clearly worked and was the right decision. The guy is better than ever.

Or it's a great short-term solution but delays the inevitable, much like when the Oilers delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full-year for Nugent-Hopkins...or when they delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full year for Oscar Klefbom.

Hopefully this works out well - but the Oilers don't have a great track record on this stuff...they prefer to play the wheels off guys who are hurt - even in seasons where we haven't been competitive.

It does seem really interesting that the usage of McDavid has been so high given that he was coming back from this...

Taking a short term view with their meal ticket for what they no doubt hope will be another 10+ years... That would be something else. I can't see it though. there is stupid. There is Chia level stupid. That would be Eric Francis level stupid.

[Updated on: Mon, 20 January 2020 15:07]

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752049 is a reply to message #752024 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 08:07

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[quote title=Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 15:05]

Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:24

Or it's a great short-term solution but delays the inevitable, much like when the Oilers delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full-year for Nugent-Hopkins...or when they delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full year for Oscar Klefbom.

Hopefully this works out well - but the Oilers don't have a great track record on this stuff...they prefer to play the wheels off guys who are hurt - even in seasons where we haven't been competitive.

It does seem really interesting that the usage of McDavid has been so high given that he was coming back from this...

Taking a short term view with their meal ticket for what they no doubt hope will be another 10+ years... That would be something else. I can't see it though. there is stupid. There is Chia level stupid. That would be Eric Francis level stupid.

No way Ken Holland rushes him back in his first year as GM. No one would have blamed him for having this year be a complete write-off if he let McDavid get the proper full recovery. Between the injury and the mess Chia left him, it would have been perfectly digestible for a new GM to blow the 2019/2020 season.

Then again, I don't see a "with full autonomy" tag on Ken's website profile anymore... icon_wink

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752050 is a reply to message #752049 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 08:11

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[quote title=JPro wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 08:07]

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 15:05

Adam wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 14:24

Or it's a great short-term solution but delays the inevitable, much like when the Oilers delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full-year for Nugent-Hopkins...or when they delayed shoulder surgery for almost a full year for Oscar Klefbom.

Hopefully this works out well - but the Oilers don't have a great track record on this stuff...they prefer to play the wheels off guys who are hurt - even in seasons where we haven't been competitive.

It does seem really interesting that the usage of McDavid has been so high given that he was coming back from this...

Taking a short term view with their meal ticket for what they no doubt hope will be another 10+ years... That would be something else. I can't see it though. there is stupid. There is Chia level stupid. That would be Eric Francis level stupid.

No way Ken Holland rushes him back in his first year as GM. No one would have blamed him for having this year be a complete write-off if he let McDavid get the proper full recovery. Between the injury and the mess Chia left him, it would have been perfectly digestible for a new GM to blow the 2019/2020 season.

Then again, I don't see a "with full autonomy" tag on Ken's website profile anymore... icon_wink

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I don't doubt that a lot of the push to come back quickly came from McDavid. He wants to play and wants to win. The question is whether or not the Oilers got him the right medical opinions to ensure he's going to have a long and productive career post-recovery, or if they "selected" opinions that fit their season ticket priorities.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752025 is a reply to message #752012 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 15:12

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eh...so he's got a PCL no longer connected in his left knee?

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752030 is a reply to message #752025 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 15:54

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 16:12

eh...so he's got a PCL no longer connected in his left knee?

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752031 is a reply to message #752030 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 16:09

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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 15:54

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 16:12

eh...so he's got a PCL no longer connected in his left knee?

Chills. If I’m in that locker room and knowing what my Captain did, I’m leaving everything I have on the ice to get him a cup. Much like he did, I’m doing... whatever it takes.

Hell yeah!! The guy clearly wants to win and will do whatever it takes. He took a risk opting for rehab. When they say that going the rehab route isn't what people do, my guess is people don't go that route not because it won't work, they probably don't go that route because it's the harder way to do it. Sure rehab maybe can get you back faster provided it works but I bet, it's way, way, way more work than to just get the surgery, wait for it to heal then do normal rehab.

Anyone not fully pulling on the rope, better look in the mirror otherwise get the hell out. I am looking at former Oiler Lucic as exhibit A. They thankfully got rid of him but I look at his stats and for a guy who supposedly works hard, has pride, cared, blah blah, blah. 48 games, 4 goals, 10 pts. 3rd off season in a row where he is supposedly trying to improve to adapt to the changing game. Yeah right. If you have that much supposed pride and are supposedly training differently to meet the needs of the changed NHL, logic dictates that after 3 yrs of "training differently" you should see at least the tiny bit of improvement.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752041 is a reply to message #752025 ]	Mon, 20 January 2020 20:17

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What can ya say about Connor McDavid. One of the most humble dedicated athletes I am aware of. A national treasure. Just an amazing display the way he came back from a serious injury and along with Leon basically dragged an AHL team through the first three months of the season until the team started to believe and gel to come together as a team.

Can't see him going cupless, like Gio and Turtlechuck will. Remember when people were worried Taylor Hall's baditude would rub off on Connor when they were roomies that first year? Funny looking back it's like saying the moon greatly influences the sun.

Connor is single handedly changing the toxic culture on this team. Turning the Edmonton Oilers into winners. As has been stated here many times before, it will be bittersweet to see Katz, Lowe and Howson creep out of the shadows wearing champion hats to take their turn with the cup. The Gretzkys get a pass from me. They are the only two from management along with Holland I'd want to see twirling around with Connor's stanley cups.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752051 is a reply to message #752041 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 08:27

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He will bring a cup to Edmonton. He (and the team) will overcome any toxicity that could still potentially be seeping through from those at the very top. I truly believe that.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752113 is a reply to message #752025 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 03:33

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 20 January 2020 18:12

eh...so he's got a PCL no longer connected in his left knee?

Wow. No words. icon_eek

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752134 is a reply to message #752113 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 10:49

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I doubt this will, but it should shut up the TO media about his dedication and heart. Just the preview give me chills. I could not imagine this in my life, never mind being a professional athlete at 22 having to manage this. My opinion of McDavid just went through the roof.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752046 is a reply to message #735721 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 05:34

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I would gave been happier never knowing the extent of that injury.

This team and franchise owe McDavid a handful of Cups.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752065 is a reply to message #752046 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 10:42

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When the Oilers 2 best players, the 2 guys that make the most money, get the most opportunity and the most minutes buy into the team concept, play the system properly and put value in being decent defensively while dynamic on offense, like they did early in the season and like they have been doing since coming back from the Christmas break, the Oilers can win a lot of games.

When the Oilers 2 best players play like they did at the end of November and all of December where they cheat for offense, play loose and don't give a damn about back checking and defense, they will lose a lot of games. McDavid and Leon were doing a lot of fly byes in December and their line was getting destroyed defensively.

This applies to all teams. Deeper teams can maybe get by a little better than the Oilers but if your best players aren't playing properly it comes back to bite you.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752081 is a reply to message #752065 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 14:51

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 10:42

When the Oilers 2 best players, the 2 guys that make the most money, get the most opportunity and the most minutes buy into the team concept, play the system properly and put value in being decent defensively while dynamic on offense, like they did early in the season and like they have been doing since coming back from the Christmas break, the Oilers can win a lot of games.

When the Oilers 2 best players play like they did at the end of November and all of December where they cheat for offense, play loose and don't give a damn about back checking and defense, they will lose a lot of games. McDavid and Leon were doing a lot of fly byes in December and their line was getting destroyed defensively.

This applies to all teams. Deeper teams can maybe get by a little better than the Oilers but if your best players aren't playing properly it comes back to bite you.

Mark Spector talking points. Blame the best players on the ice despite obvious factors keeping them from being successful rather than any expectation that the rest of the team should occasionally win a game or two themselves.

This is the kind of BS (from the media, not from you) that Eberle was talking about when he was talking about how Edmonton can eat its own.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752083 is a reply to message #752081 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 15:14

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Adam wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 14:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 10:42

When the Oilers 2 best players, the 2 guys that make the most money, get the most opportunity and the most minutes buy into the team concept, play the system properly and put value in being decent defensively while dynamic on offense, like they did early in the season and like they have been doing since coming back from the Christmas break, the Oilers can win a lot of games.

When the Oilers 2 best players play like they did at the end of November and all of December where they cheat for offense, play loose and don't give a damn about back checking and defense, they will lose a lot of games. McDavid and Leon were doing a lot of fly byes in December and their line was getting destroyed defensively.

This applies to all teams. Deeper teams can maybe get by a little better than the Oilers but if your best players aren't playing properly it comes back to bite you.

Mark Spector talking points. Blame the best players on the ice despite obvious factors keeping them from being successful rather than any expectation that the rest of the team should occasionally win a game or two themselves.

This is the kind of BS (from the media, not from you) that Eberle was talking about when he was talking about how Edmonton can eat its own.

I am not one for putting all the blame on top guys. Takes a team to win. But if the guys playing 20+ mins a night don't want to play a sound game, what the 4th line center does in his 7-10 mins doesn't mean a hell of a lot. When the Oilers were going through their bad part, the bottom 6 were playing well yet the top guys were bleeding chances.

Any coincidence that as soon as the top guys stopped bleeding chances and buttoned down their game, the bottom 6 has continued to play well but they started winning? I don't think so.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752076 is a reply to message #735721 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 14:22

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Well it looks like the Oilers kept the severity of the injury under the covers (rightfully so IMO).

Rishaug is reporting that it was a major knee injury (like the preview in this thread shows), much more severe than just a PCL tear. They had a choice of rehab or surgery and they opted for rehab. It would allow him to be ready for this season should rehab be successful, whereas surgery would have sidelined him for this year.

More details here.

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/121972593698516582 9/photo/1

It's pretty incredible that he didn't appear to skip a beat considering it was such a major injury.

You know, I would prefer that these details don't come out. I don't think we need other teams in the league knowing about any potential weak points.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752077 is a reply to message #752076 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 14:34

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 14:22

You know, I would prefer that these details don't come out. I don't think we need other teams in the league knowing about any potential weak points.

Yeah or they might dive at his knees!

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752084 is a reply to message #752077 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 15:24

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 13:34

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 14:22

You know, I would prefer that these details don't come out. I don't think we need other teams in the league knowing about any potential weak points.

Yeah or they might dive at his knees!

Maybe this will earn some clout with the refs!

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752101 is a reply to message #735721 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 20:40

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Now Rishaug is insisting that the PCL did heal as part of the rehab. So the preview part saying it was completely severed may have just been wrong or an exaggeration for dramatic effect.

I know I only play a doctor on the internet, but pretty sure a completely severed tendon doesn't magically find it's way back together and heal properly.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752102 is a reply to message #752101 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 20:45

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Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Some additional info on McDavids knee injury in more detail than a simple tweet allows.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1WRdeUEAEKgtl?format=jpg&name=small

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752103 is a reply to message #752102 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 20:57

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:45

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Some additional info on McDavids knee injury in more detail than a simple tweet allows.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1WRdeUEAEKgtl?format=jpg&name=small

Quite the scoop for Rishaug. He must have an inside guy to get information like this just in time to advertise the tv show about it.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752104 is a reply to message #752103 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 21:14

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:45

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Some additional info on McDavids knee injury in more detail than a simple tweet allows.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1WRdeUEAEKgtl?format=jpg&name=small

Quite the scoop for Rishaug. He must have an inside guy to get information like this just in time to advertise the tv show about it.

He's with TSN. Sportsnet gets all the hockey stuff and the special. Probably feels left out and went hard digging :)

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752106 is a reply to message #752104 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 21:19

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 21:14

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:45

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Some additional info on McDavids knee injury in more detail than a simple tweet allows.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1WRdeUEAEKgtl?format=jpg&name=small

Quite the scoop for Rishaug. He must have an inside guy to get information like this just in time to advertise the tv show about it.

He's with TSN. Sportsnet gets all the hockey stuff and the special. Probably feels left out and went hard digging :)

Like a dog on a bone! I bet he’s been on this since April. I picture him slamming his fists on his boss’ desk in early May because he has a hunch about the tibia and his boss shoots him down because he’s a loose cannon and “we report the news here Rishaug! Not hunches! The news!”

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752107 is a reply to message #752106 ]	Tue, 21 January 2020 21:22

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 21:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 21:14

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:45

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Some additional info on McDavids knee injury in more detail than a simple tweet allows.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1WRdeUEAEKgtl?format=jpg&name=small

Quite the scoop for Rishaug. He must have an inside guy to get information like this just in time to advertise the tv show about it.

He's with TSN. Sportsnet gets all the hockey stuff and the special. Probably feels left out and went hard digging :)

Like a dog on a bone! I bet he’s been on this since April. I picture him slamming his fists on his boss’ desk in early May because he has a hunch about the tibia and his boss shoots him down because he’s a loose cannon and “we report the news here Rishaug! Not hunches! The news!”

hehe. My money would be on Rishaug being one of the last guys on earth anyone from McDavid's camp would have leaked this to before it was days away from being public knowledge. Rishaug has irritated Mcdavid many times with stupid leading questions.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752117 is a reply to message #752107 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 08:46

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Proves what most of us all thought, McDavid is superhuman. Took a risk. Went the route that no one goes most likely because it's the most difficult, came out on the other side and it ended up being the right call. When you watch him play, he plays with zero hesitation or limitations. Is as fast if not faster than he was last year and he looks better than last year. If it didn't heal properly, I really, really doubt we'd be seeing what he's doing. If it wasn't healed properly, maybe he could play with a brace but he wouldn't be like he is.

The guy is a freak of nature.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752118 is a reply to message #752107 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 08:46

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 21:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 21:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 21:14

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:57

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 21 January 2020 20:45

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug
Some additional info on McDavids knee injury in more detail than a simple tweet allows.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EO1WRdeUEAEKgtl?format=jpg&name=small

Quite the scoop for Rishaug. He must have an inside guy to get information like this just in time to advertise the tv show about it.

He's with TSN. Sportsnet gets all the hockey stuff and the special. Probably feels left out and went hard digging :)

Like a dog on a bone! I bet he’s been on this since April. I picture him slamming his fists on his boss’ desk in early May because he has a hunch about the tibia and his boss shoots him down because he’s a loose cannon and “we report the news here Rishaug! Not hunches! The news!”

hehe. My money would be on Rishaug being one of the last guys on earth anyone from McDavid's camp would have leaked this to before it was days away from being public knowledge. Rishaug has irritated Mcdavid many times with stupid leading questions.

It's a shame - if only he'd carried more water for the team, maybe they'd have thrown him another scoop. Poor guy does all that legwork for Chiarelli and then is just left out in the cold when the team finally fires him. Oh well, at least he'll always have the Taylor Hall trade scoop - and all he had to do there was insist for a week before and several weeks after that that was a necessary move for the team to make...

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752139 is a reply to message #752118 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 11:01

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This goes to show how many people just blindly take what the Oilers say as gospel.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752174 is a reply to message #752139 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 14:54

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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 11:01

This goes to show how many people just blindly take what the Oilers say as gospel.

It felt like they were hiding something the whole summer. Now this comes out, and McDavid's dedication is super impressive, but man do I ever question the massive minutes they played him to start the year now.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752179 is a reply to message #752174 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 15:04

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 15:54

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 11:01

This goes to show how many people just blindly take what the Oilers say as gospel.

It felt like they were hiding something the whole summer. Now this comes out, and McDavid's dedication is super impressive, but man do I ever question the massive minutes they played him to start the year now.

I. Didn’t. Even. Think of the minutes they played him in October and November. Holy cow.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752187 is a reply to message #752179 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 15:55

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 15:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 15:54

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 11:01

This goes to show how many people just blindly take what the Oilers say as gospel.

It felt like they were hiding something the whole summer. Now this comes out, and McDavid's dedication is super impressive, but man do I ever question the massive minutes they played him to start the year now.

I. Didn’t. Even. Think of the minutes they played him in October and November. Holy cow.

The Six Million Dollar Man is basically a cyborg through surgeries.

The One Hundred Million Dollar Man is an improved human through rehab.

Maybe they didn't tell the coach? You'd think the Oilers would want to ease him into the season just to make sure the knee was fixed.

I have no problem with them keeping the extent of the injury a secret. I'd prefer if it was still a secret.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752188 is a reply to message #752187 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 15:58

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 15:55

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 15:04

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 15:54

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 11:01

This goes to show how many people just blindly take what the Oilers say as gospel.

It felt like they were hiding something the whole summer. Now this comes out, and McDavid's dedication is super impressive, but man do I ever question the massive minutes they played him to start the year now.

I. Didn’t. Even. Think of the minutes they played him in October and November. Holy cow.

The Six Million Dollar Man is basically a cyborg through surgeries.

The One Hundred Million Dollar Man is an improved human through rehab.

Maybe they didn't tell the coach? You'd think the Oilers would want to ease him into the season just to make sure the knee was fixed.

I have no problem with them keeping the extent of the injury a secret. I'd prefer if it was still a secret.

If it's healed, it's healed. Then McDavid's issue is getting back into full game shape. I imagine Tippett's approach, and coaches before, with McDavid is playing him as much as McDavid says he wants to. I would trust the judgement of one of the most prepared and best athletes in the league.

I think Drai is the guy that got wrecked by being over played. McDavid hasn't really missed a beat this season, aside from when an exhausted Drai was dragging him down in December. His performance was fine any time he was not playing with Drai in Dec.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752192 is a reply to message #752188 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 16:05

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We just don't need people like Matt Tkachuk that his rival has a potentially vulnerable knee.

Has it healed 100%? Let's assume it has. What about re-injury? Generally once something get's injured, it's easier to re-injure...I am not a doctor but I feel like this is a documentary that should be shown when a career is over.

I will watch the documentary. I will probably enjoy it, admire McDavid's incredible perseverance. But I don't think it's a good idea for everybody in the league to focus on Connor McDavid's knee.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752195 is a reply to message #752192 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 16:08

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 16:05

We just don't need people like Matt Tkachuk that his rival has a potentially vulnerable knee.

Has it healed 100%? Let's assume it has. What about re-injury? Generally once something get's injured, it's easier to re-injure...I am not a doctor but I feel like this is a documentary that should be shown when a career is over.

I will watch the documentary. I will probably enjoy it, admire McDavid's incredible perseverance. But I don't think it's a good idea for everybody in the league to focus on Connor McDavid's knee.

Agreed.

I also want Giordano put down. I don't think he meant to snap McDavid's PCL, but I sure do think his play was intentional and dirty.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752199 is a reply to message #752195 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 16:14

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 16:08

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 16:05

We just don't need people like Matt Tkachuk that his rival has a potentially vulnerable knee.

Has it healed 100%? Let's assume it has. What about re-injury? Generally once something get's injured, it's easier to re-injure...I am not a doctor but I feel like this is a documentary that should be shown when a career is over.

I will watch the documentary. I will probably enjoy it, admire McDavid's incredible perseverance. But I don't think it's a good idea for everybody in the league to focus on Connor McDavid's knee.

Agreed.

I also want Giordano put down. I don't think he meant to snap McDavid's PCL, but I sure do think his play was intentional and dirty.

I totally agree. When you are diving at another guys legs, you aren't doing it to make a hockey play. You are trying to take a guy out. IT was a dirty play.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752197 is a reply to message #752192 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 16:10

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 16:05

We just don't need people like Matt Tkachuk that his rival has a potentially vulnerable knee.

Has it healed 100%? Let's assume it has. What about re-injury? Generally once something get's injured, it's easier to re-injure...I am not a doctor but I feel like this is a documentary that should be shown when a career is over.

I will watch the documentary. I will probably enjoy it, admire McDavid's incredible perseverance. But I don't think it's a good idea for everybody in the league to focus on Connor McDavid's knee.

I'd probably prefer this not be shown either. Seems like it's McDavid's decision though.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-connor-mcdav id-oilers-knee-injury-rehab/

In Elliotte's 31 thoughts he says McDavid didn't want it to be a hero piece, but thought there is value in showing athletes what could be achieved by rehab with this kind of injury.

I think jumping at knees is pretty universally dangerous, past injury or not. If you're going for a knee, you're trying to wreck a career, period.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752200 is a reply to message #752192 ]	Wed, 22 January 2020 16:16

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 22 January 2020 16:05

We just don't need people like Matt Tkachuk that his rival has a potentially vulnerable knee.

Has it healed 100%? Let's assume it has. What about re-injury? Generally once something get's injured, it's easier to re-injure...I am not a doctor but I feel like this is a documentary that should be shown when a career is over.

I will watch the documentary. I will probably enjoy it, admire McDavid's incredible perseverance. But I don't think it's a good idea for everybody in the league to focus on Connor McDavid's knee.

It wouldn't be any different if he had got surgery. Guys would know it's been damaged and which knee it is if they decide to target it.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752231 is a reply to message #735721 ]	Thu, 23 January 2020 13:59

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Here’s a point about McDavid this season. He'd better win comeback player of the year. They gave it to somebody else for the mid season awards. Should have won it his rookie season too frankly.

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Re: McDavid Injury is a PCL [message #752234 is a reply to message #752231 ]	Thu, 23 January 2020 14:52

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 23 January 2020 13:59

Here’s a point about McDavid this season. He’s not better win comeback player of the year. They gave it to somebody else for the mid season awards. Should have won it his rookie season too frankly.

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Maybe toss in the Messier too

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