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 Ragnarok73
Messages: 2419
Registered: February 2011
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What foul sorcery is this? That Lord Tippett is a powerful conjurer.
"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.
5-14-6-1
"Sabres think the suck is their ally? They merely adopted the suck. The Oilers were born in it...molded by it."
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MJ
Messages: 267
Registered: November 1997
Location: Victoria
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It was a bit on the ugly side, but good teams find ways to win.
We may be cheering for a good team, but I'm not ready to declare such sillyness yet. Tentatively these are good times, Tarkus!
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
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Exciting win.
Didn’t mind the line combos in OT, but am I off my rocker to suggest that Kassian might also be a good placeholder while 97 and 29 catch their wind? He has the speed to fix problems out there.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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NZ Oiler Fan
Messages: 1189
Registered: October 2006
Location: Kensington, PEI
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| g2k wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 22:51 |
Exciting win.
Didn’t mind the line combos in OT, but am I off my rocker to suggest that Kassian might also be a good placeholder while 97 and 29 catch their wind? He has the speed to fix problems out there.
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I know he's on a heater, but I wasn't a fan of having Neal out there AT ALL. He was behind the play the entire time, and Subban burned him to set up a great scoring chance at the end of OT. Would rather have had Jurco or one of the other quicker guys out there.
Still...got away with the 2 pts somehow, so I'll take it.
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:53 |
| g2k wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 22:51 |
Exciting win.
Didn’t mind the line combos in OT, but am I off my rocker to suggest that Kassian might also be a good placeholder while 97 and 29 catch their wind? He has the speed to fix problems out there.
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I know he's on a heater, but I wasn't a fan of having Neal out there AT ALL. He was behind the play the entire time, and Subban burned him to set up a great scoring chance at the end of OT.
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Yeah I wanted add that as my reason for asking if Kassian is a crazy idea. Thought I would get jumped because Neal is scoring, but to me, that other units only job is to make sure they don’t get scored on while 97 and 29 catch their wind. Thanks for doing the heavy lifting for me. ;)
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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Mike
Messages: 1397
Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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4-0 for only the 4th time in franchise history. I’ll take it. You know what else I would take? Hall next summer if he makes it to UFA.
Have we won the Lucic trade yet?
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Ragnarok73
Messages: 2419
Registered: February 2011
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| Mike wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:56 |
Have we won the Lucic trade yet?
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You know damn well that the Flamers fans wouldn't admit to this even if they saw Neal hoisting up another Cup in an Oilers jersey.
"There's no greater springboard to development than failure." - Craig MacTavish, April 13/15.
5-14-6-1
"Sabres think the suck is their ally? They merely adopted the suck. The Oilers were born in it...molded by it."
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Magnum
Messages: 839
Registered: June 2009
Location: Rogers' Arena > Banff
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| Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:00 |
| Mike wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:56 |
Have we won the Lucic trade yet?
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You know damn well that the Flamers fans wouldn't admit to this even if they saw Neal hoisting up another Cup in an Oilers jersey.
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Lucic gets another -1.
But he did slash the guy that scored it, soooooo... it’s even?
2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
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| Magnum wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:03 |
| Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:00 |
| Mike wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:56 |
Have we won the Lucic trade yet?
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You know damn well that the Flamers fans wouldn't admit to this even if they saw Neal hoisting up another Cup in an Oilers jersey.
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Lucic gets another -1.
But he did slash the guy that scored it, soooooo... it’s even?
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And he had zero shots. Tough to score when you have 1 SOG in four games. My Flames buddies sound like I did. Trying to say Lucic earned his money doing the dirty work. I knew I was lying to myself and I can see it in them. Love it.
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Suomalainen
Messages: 900
Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO
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| Ragnarok73 wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:00 |
| Mike wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:56 |
Have we won the Lucic trade yet?
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You know damn well that the Flamers fans wouldn't admit to this even if they saw Neal hoisting up another Cup in an Oilers jersey.
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The doublest of whammies.
97.
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Kr55
Messages: 10777
Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton
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| Mike wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:56 |
4-0 for only the 4th time in franchise history. I’ll take it. You know what else I would take? Hall next summer if he makes it to UFA.
Have we won the Lucic trade yet?
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Well, Lucic slashed a Dallas guy on the leg after he beat Lucic to the net to score. And now 3 goals later the flames tied the game 2-2. I assume the flames came back because of Lucic's toughness with the slash on the 1-0 goal, so no, trade is still tied.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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Pseudoreality
Messages: 108
Registered: December 2002
Location: Yellowknife
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Start the car. Start the car! START THE CAR!
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nullterm
Messages: 1034
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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Big bite of redemption for Koskinen, I didn't see the whole game but he looked confident from what I did see.
If him and Smith both find their grooves then we have a chance to stick with it.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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| g2k wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:51 |
Exciting win.
Didn’t mind the line combos in OT, but am I off my rocker to suggest that Kassian might also be a good placeholder while 97 and 29 catch their wind? He has the speed to fix problems out there.
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I was wondering about that, Neal didn't get burnt like we used to see with McClellan somehow trotting Looch out there or even Maroon, but I don't think the Real Deal has the wheels for 3 on 3.
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g2k
Messages: 2840
Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
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Didn’t realize Neal ended up being awarded that goal on the RNH shot.
Must have been when I was chowing my Taco.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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NetBOG
Messages: 2951
Registered: January 2006
Location: Parts Unknown
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Oilers did not deserve this win at all. Not enough energy, not enough fight, enough luck.
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overdue
Messages: 493
Registered: October 2014
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Hey, sometimes the luck does swing you're way and it feels good for a change.
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Suomalainen
Messages: 900
Registered: May 2002
Location: Boulder, CO
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Get those two points and get back across the river before anyone in Newark notices.
97.
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Magnum
Messages: 839
Registered: June 2009
Location: Rogers' Arena > Banff
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Neal on pace for 144 goals.
2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7803
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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| Magnum wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:03 |
Neal on pace for 144 goals.
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He's slowing down. The pessimists knew it would happen.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Magnum
Messages: 839
Registered: June 2009
Location: Rogers' Arena > Banff
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| Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:57 |
Get those two points and get back across the river before anyone in Newark notices.
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87 points and the Oilers are in the playoffs.
39-30-9 from here and we’re good to go.
2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
Registered: September 2005
Location: Prince Albert, Saskatchew...
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| Magnum wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:18 |
| Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:57 |
Get those two points and get back across the river before anyone in Newark notices.
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87 points and the Oilers are in the playoffs.
39-30-9 from here and we’re good to go.
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Every victory we can bank early on in the season is money in the bank. This is a .475 team at worst. Couple more wins and we are the Avs of 2018. Hot start and hold on.
Heck. We might even be a decent team, but I’d be happy with sneaking in to the playoffs.
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CrusaderPi
Messages: 7803
Registered: December 2003
Location: AB Highway 100
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| inverno76 wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 22:24 |
| Magnum wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:18 |
| Suomalainen wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 19:57 |
Get those two points and get back across the river before anyone in Newark notices.
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87 points and the Oilers are in the playoffs.
39-30-9 from here and we’re good to go.
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Every victory we can bank early on in the season is money in the bank. This is a .475 team at worst. Couple more wins and we are the Avs of 2018. Hot start and hold on.
Heck. We might even be a decent team, but I’d be happy with sneaking in to the playoffs.
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I'm really interested to see this team play some of the top tier teams in the league. It'll be a while though. It's probably for the best they're banking points now.
Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.
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Leia
Messages: 410
Registered: May 2003
Location: England
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So I didn't stay up to watch the game, I had work for the first time in 3 weeks and got home very tired, so tried to stay awake, but succumbed to shut eye about 30 minutes before the game started. Maybe me not watching live is the good omen this team needs, let's see what happens on Saturday when I'm at another sporting event when we face off with the Rangers.
Enough of that, were we playing great hockey? No. Did we get some luck? Yes.
How many times can we say an individual had a brain fart moment that nearly or indeed did cost us? None that I can recall having just watched the game through. That's the sort of improvement I'm happy to see, we know that Kossi will be beaten glove side lots, we know it's his weakness, so why keep highlighting it? We have to believe that the coaching staff are trying to work on it, though it doesn't seem to be working and till it does or we get rid it's going to keep happening. Apart from he did what he's paid to do and did will during the OT and Shoot Out.
Bear and Persson impressed for me. Again nothing special, but for two rookies they did the job, they weren't out of place and for rookie D that's what you want. Gain some confidence, from doing the job your asked then add to your game, Bear looks to want to start shooting the puck more and that's great to see. Giving these two the run of games right now will only help for when Bouch and Broberg are coming through.
As I started off, this performance didn't blow me away, but it's early days with a new coach and the signs are looking good. It's also way to early to start predicting we may have cracked the league and be play off bound, but if we carry on doing the simple things right, limiting the mistakes we've got a better chance of reaching post season that we'll have over many of the recent years.
Take me home, country road
to the place where I belong
to Alberta, to see the Oilers
take me home, country road
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CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
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I do like watching our top line in OT. Also Hall looks even better this year.
Concerns:
1 goal this year from the bottom 6. We know from past years that comes back to bite you when the big line gets shut down
Constantly playing from behind. Comeback wins aren't a sustainable model for success.
Koskinen. They were targeting his glove hand and had some success. He also got lucky in OT (Hall) and the shootout (Gusev).
Positives:
It was very nice to get that goal call for a change.
James Neal breaking his 52 minute goal scoring drought
Maybe this hot streak gives the bottom half of the lineup time to get their systems in place and we have an okay season.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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K.McC#24
Messages: 2834
Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA
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Yep, the Oilers got some breaks in this one. In the day, that McDavid goal would have been disallowed due to intent to blow the whistle. Also breaks I thought on some non-calls. Are the Oilers superseding younger teams like NJ in getting vet non-calls?
The Oilers got outworked for most of this one, NJ of course in the 2nd of back to backs. Would have loved to see them come out and dominate, but they stayed close, found a way to tie and a way to win.
I'll frigging take it.
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ChasinStanley
Messages: 30
Registered: December 2003
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Ugly game by the Oil, looked like last years team, no show against a team that played the night before, but unlike teams past came away with 2 pts
[Updated on: Thu, 10 October 2019 20:36]
Renaissance 2015
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inverno76
Messages: 2343
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| ChasinStanley wrote on Thu, 10 October 2019 20:26 |
Ugly game by the Oil, looked like last years team, no show against a team that played the night before, but unlike teams past came away with 2 pts
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I thought they played sloppy but I wouldn’t call it a no show. Guys were pumping their legs, but erroneously. Tried to be too cute. The simple plays like Bear’s outlet play on the 1st Oil goal would have money all night. Their d zone exits got sloppy.
[Updated on: Thu, 10 October 2019 23:14]
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RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
Registered: January 2016
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I thought the Oilers looked a little sluggish though the Devils are an extremely fast team but it wasn't as good of a game as they had against the Islanders. Still won though!!
I thought Koskinen was excellent. He made some BIG saves and was a reason they won. That's 3rd goal was a bit of BS because he got knocked over but I understand why they didn't challenge because I doubt it gets overturned.
Neal, holy man. Another goal. Already tied his output from last year. Has more goals in the first 4 games than any other Oiler in their history. I don't expect him to continue at this clip but I have to think (knock on wood for nothing bad to happen) getting over 20 is a lock at this point. That's all you can ask for. It cost them giving up the anchor and I think dressing room cancer Lucic and a 3rd for a 20+ goal scorer. I do that a 100 times over.
Neal stat line in a sleepy team win.
1 goal, -1, 0 pim, 1 shot, 1 hit, 19.28
Lucic stat line in a come from behind win where I saw in a highlight that he lost his man to give up a goal.
0 pts, -1, 0 pim, 0 shots, 1 hit. 12:34. So everything that Lucic supposedly brings to the Flames and that the media rave about he didn't, he doesn't score and is a cause for a goal against. Just goes to show that for some games, he can do something of limited value but for most games, when a team doesn't engage him or play a heavy style, he does nothing. Thank you again Flames.
Bear continues to impress me. Persson keeps getting better. The PP is lethal right now and the PK is excellent.
The nice thing about a game like this is Tippett knows that wasn't their best. There are things to clean up so he has teaching moments. There are a lot of new faces, new coaching staff and a new system so I am sure this team hasn't fully gelled yet or know the system inside and out. So there is room to improve. The good part is there isn't a part of their game or players where you can definitively point at and have big concern over. Best part. They won again and are banking points. Doesn't matter how you win, just win and they are 4-0.
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overdue
Messages: 493
Registered: October 2014
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 08:34 |
I thought Koskinen was excellent. He made some BIG saves and was a reason they won.
Bear continues to impress me. Persson keeps getting better. The PP is lethal right now and the PK is excellent.
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Koski was great in the OT and shoot out to get us the two points. The puck movers are still learning but have been a very good addition. Nice to see Bear fitting in so well and contributing some to the offense. As Persson gains more confidence he will likely be a bigger part of that too IMO.
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RDOilerfan
Messages: 3908
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| overdue wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 09:57 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 08:34 |
I thought Koskinen was excellent. He made some BIG saves and was a reason they won.
Bear continues to impress me. Persson keeps getting better. The PP is lethal right now and the PK is excellent.
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Koski was great in the OT and shoot out to get us the two points. The puck movers are still learning but have been a very good addition. Nice to see Bear fitting in so well and contributing some to the offense. As Persson gains more confidence he will likely be a bigger part of that too IMO.
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I agree with you. A lot of changes for the team. It's going to take time to get into sync. I think the bottom 6 is a work in progress. But they are 4-0.
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Kr55
Messages: 10777
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Location: Edmonton
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Playing with fire a lot so far this season. Lots of times down a goal in the 3rd and coming back.
Depth lines took a bit better this year, but still not much in the way of results. Gotta figure something out there. Players needed to get some offense from those lines might not be on the NHL roster right now.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 09:10 |
Playing with fire a lot so far this season. Lots of times down a goal in the 3rd and coming back.
Depth lines took a bit better this year, but still not much in the way of results. Gotta figure something out there. Players needed to get some offense from those lines might not be on the NHL roster right now.
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That's my concern too. If the depth guys are getting 10ish goals each, about half of them should already have one. It's early to panic but also early to think the team is fixed.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 09:18 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 09:10 |
Playing with fire a lot so far this season. Lots of times down a goal in the 3rd and coming back.
Depth lines took a bit better this year, but still not much in the way of results. Gotta figure something out there. Players needed to get some offense from those lines might not be on the NHL roster right now.
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That's my concern too. If the depth guys are getting 10ish goals each, about half of them should already have one. It's early to panic but also early to think the team is fixed.
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Oh look at you guys, bringing the negativity! Can't you just let people be happy!?!
On a serious note, it's concerning to see us getting outplayed at 5v5 - we'll need to improve there if we hope to keep this going. I seem to remember one year where we had a strong October but the underlying numbers were all awful, and then things caught up to us pretty quickly, but all those bad years are starting to blend together in my mind.
Right now, they're riding some things we can't expect to keep at their pace - for instance, shooting the lights out on the powerplay at 40% - but those anomalies give you a little time to work on the deficiencies, so hopefully Tippett can find some way to improve the team there.
Another 25+ minute night for both McDavid and Draisaitl, while the entire fourth line played under 10 minutes.
"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks
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Skookum Jim
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Location: Burnaby, BC
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Meanwhile at Brad's press conference..
"Hey, yeah .. but we'll probably be getting that 3rd rounder .. I played hardball with Holland into getting that pick put in ... they're going to lose a pick.... so who's the sucker now?
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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RDOilerfan
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 13:00 |
Meanwhile at Brad's press conference..
"Hey, yeah .. but we'll probably be getting that 3rd rounder .. I played hardball with Holland into getting that pick put in ... they're going to lose a pick.... so who's the sucker now?
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Just to get rid of Lucic and his no move for the expansion draft is worth a 3rd round pick in my books. Every goal Neal scores is just bonus.
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CrudeRemarks
Messages: 1703
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Location: Edmonton
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 13:09 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 13:00 |
Meanwhile at Brad's press conference..
"Hey, yeah .. but we'll probably be getting that 3rd rounder .. I played hardball with Holland into getting that pick put in ... they're going to lose a pick.... so who's the sucker now?
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Just to get rid of Lucic and his no move for the expansion draft is worth a 3rd round pick in my books. Every goal Neal scores is just bonus.
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Don't forget, we gave up a 2nd for the privilege of having Chiarelli run this team into the ground.
And a 3rd for Todd.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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Skookum Jim
Messages: 4419
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Location: Burnaby, BC
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 13:11 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 13:09 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 11 October 2019 13:00 |
Meanwhile at Brad's press conference..
"Hey, yeah .. but we'll probably be getting that 3rd rounder .. I played hardball with Holland into getting that pick put in ... they're going to lose a pick.... so who's the sucker now?
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Just to get rid of Lucic and his no move for the expansion draft is worth a 3rd round pick in my books. Every goal Neal scores is just bonus.
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Don't forget, we gave up a 2nd for the privilege of having Chiarelli run this team into the ground.
And a 3rd for Todd.
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Don't worry man I haven't forgotten..  ... Chiarelli was on the losing end of trades the day he was signed!
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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