Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:15

Interesting how Holland commented about Hitch and how if they brought him back, it would be another year before they had a even a chance at making the playoffs. Apparently, he's not a big Hitch fan.

I am not going to go back and watch but I thought he said something along the lines of;
If Hitch came back it would only be for one more year and he wants to bring in someone who he (Holland) can work with long term and build something.

I was only listening half assed while at work so could of hear wrong. I didnt hear it as a slam on Hitch but more of him looking for a long term partnership in a coach.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 30 January 2020 12:21

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 08:24

overdue wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 17:47 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:15 Interesting how Holland commented about Hitch and how if they brought him back, it would be another year before they had a even a chance at making the playoffs. Apparently, he's not a big Hitch fan. He basically said that after a year he would be looking for another coach anyway because apparently Hitch isn't in the long term plans and he wants someone coaching who he can build a long term relationship with. ( that's been a successful model for him in the past ) He had no disrespect towards Hitch at all. I guess I should have worded it differently. I wasn't saying Holland didn't have a ton of respect for Hitch, I am sure he does. What I was saying is Holland was very quick to decide that Hitch wasn't his idea of the type of coach he wants for the Oilers.

His reasoning was pretty sound. Hitch would be a 1-2 year guy. He wants someone that he can expect to be around for the long term. I imagine that was pretty easy to explain to Hitch as well. This is not at all a team that needs a short term push over the hill by a short shelf-life coach like Hitch. This team still badly needs a ground up approach from someone that feels he will be around for 4+ years at least.

All of Holland's talk about Yzerman sacrificing points for other things, and how he wants the coach to also provide veteran leadership like he will as GM suggests to me that he will try to get an experienced HC though. Not sure Nelson will be in the picture. Makes me think of a guy like Tippett.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 09:31

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 09:26 RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 08:24 overdue wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 17:47 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 May 2019 12:15 Interesting how Holland commented about Hitch and how if they brought him back, it would be another year before they had a even a chance at making the playoffs. Apparently, he's not a big Hitch fan. He basically said that after a year he would be looking for another coach anyway because apparently Hitch isn't in the long term plans and he wants someone coaching who he can build a long term relationship with. ( that's been a successful model for him in the past ) He had no disrespect towards Hitch at all. I guess I should have worded it differently. I wasn't saying Holland didn't have a ton of respect for Hitch, I am sure he does. What I was saying is Holland was very quick to decide that Hitch wasn't his idea of the type of coach he wants for the Oilers. His reasoning was pretty sound. Hitch would be a 1-2 year guy. He wants someone that he can expect to be around for the long term. I imagine that was pretty easy to explain to Hitch as well. This is not at all a team that needs a short term push over the hill by a short shelf-life coach like Hitch. This team still badly needs a ground up approach from someone that feels he will be around for 4+ years at least. All of Holland's talk about Yzerman sacrificing points for other things, and how he wants the coach to also provide veteran leadership like he will as GM suggests to me that he will try to get an experienced HC though. Not sure Nelson will be in the picture. Makes me think of a guy like Tippett. I am OK if the next coach gets the Oilers players to stop cheating for offense and play a more sound game. I will give Hitch a lot of credit. He supposedly worked real hard with Leon to get him to play a more complete game and Leon scored 50 goals and over 100 pts while being a better all around player in my opinion. So I don't think not being a train wreck in your own zone means you can't score points.

I honestly didn't see much difference at all in players commitment under Hitch. He did make forwards come a bit lower in their end to try to help our weak D, but that was basically a must when we were down Klef. Barely any D left that can make a pass. When guys further down the lineup started doing the same, their production hit new lows, because they could not longer find a way to make that journey from their own end to the offensive zone having to start to low. Defensive structure overall, pretty disappointing under Hitch. Still lots of the same mistakes being made all over the place. The line shuffling was stupid, and it's funny to find out that "Hitch Daily" is a term his former players use because he likes to try to sell a new line combo he just came up with will save the day (Identity Line!!!).

In any case, I think in general, a coach that is able to actually show he can get the team to do what he's selling, and it's actually smart and useful, and you can see it on the ice, win or lose. That is something we badly need. Tippett is actually that kind of guy IMO. His players have always bought in. He had some great seasons in Dallas, some without any real superstar. Bad times with the Coyotes for sure, but his players always played the game plan, they just lose more than they won because of a complete lack of talent up front.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Wed, 08 May 2019 16:21]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 11:17

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 09:38 CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 10:31 Lol, on Ken Holland's bio on the Oilers website, they felt the need to specifically state that he has full autonomy: "In this role, Holland will oversee all hockey operations for the Edmonton Oilers with full autonomy, reporting directly to OEG CEO Bob Nicholson." https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management lol. They should add a button next to "full autonomy" where it has a recording of Holland saying "I will have full autonomy". It will be real funny if in a month Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson's pictures remain below the autonomous Ken Holland.

Anyone that believes the autonomy thing, is someone that I have a great investment opportunity for.

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2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

Magnum wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 11:19

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 11:17 Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 09:38 CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 10:31 Lol, on Ken Holland's bio on the Oilers website, they felt the need to specifically state that he has full autonomy: "In this role, Holland will oversee all hockey operations for the Edmonton Oilers with full autonomy, reporting directly to OEG CEO Bob Nicholson." https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management lol. They should add a button next to "full autonomy" where it has a recording of Holland saying "I will have full autonomy". It will be real funny if in a month Craig MacTavish and Scott Howson's pictures remain below the autonomous Ken Holland. Anyone that believes the autonomy thing, is someone that I have a great investment opportunity for.

Is it a condo in a newly built tower across the street from an arena with season tickets to a struggling hockey franchise included in the purchase price?

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 10:31

Lol, on Ken Holland's bio on the Oilers website, they felt the need to specifically state that he has full autonomy: "In this role, Holland will oversee all hockey operations for the Edmonton Oilers with full autonomy, reporting directly to OEG CEO Bob Nicholson." https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management

Also, how is he "fully autonomous" if he's reporting to Bob Nicholson?!



Regarding Bobby Nicks, he had 0 experience in NHL management prior to moving over to the Oilers. The only involvement he had with the NHL was negotiating to have them in the Olympics, which is pretty huge, but not a showing of good on-ice production. Why did it take me so long to look this up? He helped produce Gold metals for Canada. In other words, he was able to produce a good level of winning with the deepest talent pool in the world without any budget or cap restrictions.

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

vagabond wrote on Sat, 18 May 2019 16:34

Magnum wrote on Fri, 10 May 2019 15:15 CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 10:31 Lol, on Ken Holland's bio on the Oilers website, they felt the need to specifically state that he has full autonomy: "In this role, Holland will oversee all hockey operations for the Edmonton Oilers with full autonomy, reporting directly to OEG CEO Bob Nicholson." https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management Also, how is he "fully autonomous" if he's reporting to Bob Nicholson?! Regarding Bobby Nicks, he had 0 experience in NHL management prior to moving over to the Oilers. The only involvement he had with the NHL was negotiating to have them in the Olympics, which is pretty huge, but not a showing of good on-ice production. Why did it take me so long to look this up? He helped produce Gold metals for Canada. In other words, he was able to produce a good level of winning with the deepest talent pool in the world without any budget or cap restrictions. sorry to split hairs here--but while Bobby Nic has no NHL hockey management experience he did have 40 years of Hockey management at different levels and he has always been on the "making money side of things". HE created many grass roots hockey organizations from the ground up in the 70's and turned around hockey canada making it profitable and building a business structure that they still use today

Too bad he never hired a GM in all that time or he might have gotten things right the first time here

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vagabond wrote on Sat, 18 May 2019 16:34

Magnum wrote on Fri, 10 May 2019 15:15 CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 08 May 2019 10:31 Lol, on Ken Holland's bio on the Oilers website, they felt the need to specifically state that he has full autonomy: "In this role, Holland will oversee all hockey operations for the Edmonton Oilers with full autonomy, reporting directly to OEG CEO Bob Nicholson." https://www.nhl.com/oilers/team/coaches-management Also, how is he "fully autonomous" if he's reporting to Bob Nicholson?! Regarding Bobby Nicks, he had 0 experience in NHL management prior to moving over to the Oilers. The only involvement he had with the NHL was negotiating to have them in the Olympics, which is pretty huge, but not a showing of good on-ice production. Why did it take me so long to look this up? He helped produce Gold metals for Canada. In other words, he was able to produce a good level of winning with the deepest talent pool in the world without any budget or cap restrictions. sorry to split hairs here--but while Bobby Nic has no NHL hockey management experience he did have 40 years of Hockey management at different levels and he has always been on the "making money side of things". HE created many grass roots hockey organizations from the ground up in the 70's and turned around hockey canada making it profitable and building a business structure that they still use today

A fair statement. It's just that he's been on the organizational structuring and business end of things and not really on the on-ice product end.

I don't doubt his hockey business acumen, I do doubt his on-ice team development acumen.

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000