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NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735366]	Tue, 09 April 2019 09:38

WhoreableGuy
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Well, it's that time of the year tonight. The annual tradition of seeing where the Oilers will pick in June.

Tonight, April 9th, 2019 at 6:00 PM MST on Sportsnet.

The Oilers have only a 6.5% chance of getting the #1 spot. Here's a fun simulator you can try :

http://www.tankathon.com/nhl

And for fun, here's a look back at the amazing 2015 thread we had when we won Connor :

http://oilfans.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=649578& ;amp ;rid=2990&SQ=5b480319b611f069e1778eb65f985111#msg_649578

Who will be watching?! I will be, got nothing better to do.

"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"

- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735368 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 09:42

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Its much earlier this year. Trying to make it a full event on it's own I guess.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735369 is a reply to message #735368 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 09:49

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I wonder who is going for the Oilers? I of course want the Oilers to win for themselves but I more want them to win just so all the Toronto based media guy can lose their minds again.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735371 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 10:23

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I seem to get the Oilers moving down a couple of spots in the simulator. It's safe to say we are picking top 9?

Here's the top 10 according to Sam Costetino :

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/sportsnets-2019-nhl- draft-prospect-rankings-march/

1. Kaapo Kakko, RW, TPS (Liiga), 6-foot-2, 194 pounds: Patrik Laine and Jesperi Kotkaniemi have paved the way with a similar career path. There is some thought Kakko could play centre, and if the team picking first believes that, he may very well bypass Hughes.

2. Jack Hughes, C, USNTDP, 5-foot-10, 168 pounds: If — and this is a big IF — he is a consolation prize, it will be like winning the lottery.

3. Vasily Podkolzin, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (VHL), 6-foot-1, 190 pounds: One scout deemed him a “special player.” Some teams will be out on him for fear he won’t come to North America or remain here, but buyer beware, he has star potential.

4. Dylan Cozens, C, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL), 6-foot-3, 181 pounds: Elite skating ability with size, while playing a premium position as a right shot — Cozens checks a lot of boxes. The question is if he’s a true centre, or better suited to play the wing?boxes. The question is if he’s a true centre, or better suited to play the wing?

5. Trevor Zegras, C, USNTDP, 6-foot, 166 pounds: He’s played with and without Hughes, and has succeeded at every turn. The skill set is similar to Hughes, but with a bit more size.

6. Bowen Byram, D, Vancouver Giants (WHL), 6-foot, 194 pounds: Competes like a demon and has played a huge part in the Giants rise to the top of the Western Conference. And by the way, he’s in the 30-goal neighbourhood, which is rare for a d-man in any league.

7. Peyton Krebs, C, Kootenay Ice (WHL), 5-foot-11, 180 pounds: Works his tail off nightly, makes those around him better, and hasn’t made any noise about a difficult situation with the Ice moving next season.

8. Alex Turcotte, C, USNTDP, 5-foot-11, 189 pounds: Started the season on the edges of the top five and has worked his way back into that position. An all-around, reliable centre with underrated skill.

9. Kirby Dach, C, Saskatoon Blades (WHL), 6-foot-3, 199 pounds: There’s some background noise surrounding this player, but the package of things he can do is one that doesn’t come around often.

10. Thomas Harley, D, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL), 6-foot-3, 188 pounds: It’s better to rein in a wild pony than to try and create one.

Do they take another D?

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- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735372 is a reply to message #735371 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 10:38

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I don't want anything to do with the Russian. Russian players are always a gamble. The Oilers need to draft a guy who will forsure be a good player and who will compete. When JP fell to them at #4, on paper he was the bigger, faster, more skilled guy than say Tkachuk but Tkachuk flat out plays his bag off most nights and does what it takes to succeed. The Oilers did not do right by JP development wise so they have to wear much of the blame. I am hopeful there is still a decent player in JP but on a lot of nights he didn't compete. He was too much of a perimeter guy. I know he was in over his head but that shouldn't stop you from competing.

So they need to be careful. Assuming they aren't in the top 2, I'd be all over Byram if they could get him.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735373 is a reply to message #735371 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 10:42

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:23

I seem to get the Oilers moving down a couple of spots in the simulator. It's safe to say we are picking top 9?

Here's the top 10 according to Sam Costetino :

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/sportsnets-2019-nhl- draft-prospect-rankings-march/

1. Kaapo Kakko, RW, TPS (Liiga), 6-foot-2, 194 pounds: Patrik Laine and Jesperi Kotkaniemi have paved the way with a similar career path. There is some thought Kakko could play centre, and if the team picking first believes that, he may very well bypass Hughes.

2. Jack Hughes, C, USNTDP, 5-foot-10, 168 pounds: If — and this is a big IF — he is a consolation prize, it will be like winning the lottery.

3. Vasily Podkolzin, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (VHL), 6-foot-1, 190 pounds: One scout deemed him a “special player.” Some teams will be out on him for fear he won’t come to North America or remain here, but buyer beware, he has star potential.

4. Dylan Cozens, C, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL), 6-foot-3, 181 pounds: Elite skating ability with size, while playing a premium position as a right shot — Cozens checks a lot of boxes. The question is if he’s a true centre, or better suited to play the wing?boxes. The question is if he’s a true centre, or better suited to play the wing?

5. Trevor Zegras, C, USNTDP, 6-foot, 166 pounds: He’s played with and without Hughes, and has succeeded at every turn. The skill set is similar to Hughes, but with a bit more size.

6. Bowen Byram, D, Vancouver Giants (WHL), 6-foot, 194 pounds: Competes like a demon and has played a huge part in the Giants rise to the top of the Western Conference. And by the way, he’s in the 30-goal neighbourhood, which is rare for a d-man in any league.

7. Peyton Krebs, C, Kootenay Ice (WHL), 5-foot-11, 180 pounds: Works his tail off nightly, makes those around him better, and hasn’t made any noise about a difficult situation with the Ice moving next season.

8. Alex Turcotte, C, USNTDP, 5-foot-11, 189 pounds: Started the season on the edges of the top five and has worked his way back into that position. An all-around, reliable centre with underrated skill.

9. Kirby Dach, C, Saskatoon Blades (WHL), 6-foot-3, 199 pounds: There’s some background noise surrounding this player, but the package of things he can do is one that doesn’t come around often.

10. Thomas Harley, D, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL), 6-foot-3, 188 pounds: It’s better to rein in a wild pony than to try and create one.

Do they take another D?

I'd guess they're "happy" with their d cupboard. This is the Oilers we're talking about, they stay on trend (the trend within their boardroom) which tells them they need skilled, fast, wingers.

Personally would LOVE Dach to land with Edmonton, if of course we don't get the chance at Hughes(2) or Kakko(1).

Would Kakko be a positive add for JP?

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735375 is a reply to message #735373 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 11:02

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:42

I'd guess they're "happy" with their d cupboard. This is the Oilers we're talking about, they stay on trend (the trend within their boardroom) which tells them they need skilled, fast, wingers.

Personally would LOVE Dach to land with Edmonton, if of course we don't get the chance at Hughes(2) or Kakko(1).

Would Kakko be a positive add for JP?

Speaking of the D Cupboard, I just looked at the OHL playoff stats to see how our boy Bouchard is doing and he's leading the entire League in Playoff scoring!

http://ontariohockeyleague.com/stats/players

He's also captained the Knights to an undefeated record so far in the playoffs, they are up 3-0 against Guelph in the second round. He could be the D guy we have been waiting for since Pronger (maybe I'm getting too hyped).

"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735376 is a reply to message #735373 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 11:07

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:42

WhoreableGuy wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:23

I seem to get the Oilers moving down a couple of spots in the simulator. It's safe to say we are picking top 9?

Here's the top 10 according to Sam Costetino :

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juniors/sportsnets-2019-nhl- draft-prospect-rankings-march/

1. Kaapo Kakko, RW, TPS (Liiga), 6-foot-2, 194 pounds: Patrik Laine and Jesperi Kotkaniemi have paved the way with a similar career path. There is some thought Kakko could play centre, and if the team picking first believes that, he may very well bypass Hughes.

2. Jack Hughes, C, USNTDP, 5-foot-10, 168 pounds: If — and this is a big IF — he is a consolation prize, it will be like winning the lottery.

3. Vasily Podkolzin, RW, SKA St. Petersburg (VHL), 6-foot-1, 190 pounds: One scout deemed him a “special player.” Some teams will be out on him for fear he won’t come to North America or remain here, but buyer beware, he has star potential.

4. Dylan Cozens, C, Lethbridge Hurricanes (WHL), 6-foot-3, 181 pounds: Elite skating ability with size, while playing a premium position as a right shot — Cozens checks a lot of boxes. The question is if he’s a true centre, or better suited to play the wing?boxes. The question is if he’s a true centre, or better suited to play the wing?

5. Trevor Zegras, C, USNTDP, 6-foot, 166 pounds: He’s played with and without Hughes, and has succeeded at every turn. The skill set is similar to Hughes, but with a bit more size.

6. Bowen Byram, D, Vancouver Giants (WHL), 6-foot, 194 pounds: Competes like a demon and has played a huge part in the Giants rise to the top of the Western Conference. And by the way, he’s in the 30-goal neighbourhood, which is rare for a d-man in any league.

7. Peyton Krebs, C, Kootenay Ice (WHL), 5-foot-11, 180 pounds: Works his tail off nightly, makes those around him better, and hasn’t made any noise about a difficult situation with the Ice moving next season.

8. Alex Turcotte, C, USNTDP, 5-foot-11, 189 pounds: Started the season on the edges of the top five and has worked his way back into that position. An all-around, reliable centre with underrated skill.

9. Kirby Dach, C, Saskatoon Blades (WHL), 6-foot-3, 199 pounds: There’s some background noise surrounding this player, but the package of things he can do is one that doesn’t come around often.

10. Thomas Harley, D, Mississauga Steelheads (OHL), 6-foot-3, 188 pounds: It’s better to rein in a wild pony than to try and create one.

Do they take another D?

I'd guess they're "happy" with their d cupboard. This is the Oilers we're talking about, they stay on trend (the trend within their boardroom) which tells them they need skilled, fast, wingers.

Personally would LOVE Dach to land with Edmonton, if of course we don't get the chance at Hughes(2) or Kakko(1).

Would Kakko be a positive add for JP?

I think their #1 need is wingers however, if by some chance they had a shot at Bryam, I can't see them passing him. He's a good skating, competes hard, puck moving, offensive dman. If you got a guy like him, you could afford to move a decent dman to address the wing.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735380 is a reply to message #735376 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 11:42

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I think if you miss out on Hughes, Kakko, Podkolzin, Byram, Dach or Cozens, then you consider moving down for an actual asset that can play now.

There are great guys still available later in this first round, just not as NHL ready/guaranteed. Caufield, Knight, Leason all come to mind.

If you can get the RFA rights to someone or get a guy who's going to help you now that's cheap, you explore those options. For example, if you can get Burakovsky by moving down 15 spots, you consider it.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735382 is a reply to message #735372 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 11:47

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:38

I don't want anything to do with the Russian. Russian players are always a gamble. The Oilers need to draft a guy who will forsure be a good player and who will compete. When JP fell to them at #4, on paper he was the bigger, faster, more skilled guy than say Tkachuk but Tkachuk flat out plays his bag off most nights and does what it takes to succeed. The Oilers did not do right by JP development wise so they have to wear much of the blame. I am hopeful there is still a decent player in JP but on a lot of nights he didn't compete. He was too much of a perimeter guy. I know he was in over his head but that shouldn't stop you from competing.

So they need to be careful. Assuming they aren't in the top 2, I'd be all over Byram if they could get him.

I mean, I could name a lot of Canadian players that didnt make it because of compete level.

I also am pretty sure Tampa Bay is glad they didn't take this approach with Kucherov and Vasilevsky.

I'm more along the lines of evaluating players based on their own merit. I don't know enough about this year's draft class to make an informed choice, but I'm not eliminating any based on nationality alone.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735385 is a reply to message #735382 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 11:54

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:38

I don't want anything to do with the Russian. Russian players are always a gamble. The Oilers need to draft a guy who will forsure be a good player and who will compete. When JP fell to them at #4, on paper he was the bigger, faster, more skilled guy than say Tkachuk but Tkachuk flat out plays his bag off most nights and does what it takes to succeed. The Oilers did not do right by JP development wise so they have to wear much of the blame. I am hopeful there is still a decent player in JP but on a lot of nights he didn't compete. He was too much of a perimeter guy. I know he was in over his head but that shouldn't stop you from competing.

So they need to be careful. Assuming they aren't in the top 2, I'd be all over Byram if they could get him.

I mean, I could name a lot of Canadian players that didnt make it because of compete level.

I also am pretty sure Tampa Bay is glad they didn't take this approach with Kucherov and Vasilevsky.

I'm more along the lines of evaluating players based on their own merit. I don't know enough about this year's draft class to make an informed choice, but I'm not eliminating any based on nationality alone.

It's not so much the nationality but the KHL. He will be a highly touted Russian, those guys get paid in the KHL. My concern is if things don't go exactly like he wants like as an example if he comes over and the Oilers decide he needs AHL time he could say no way am I making 90K riding a bus in the minors when I can go the KHL and make millions. It could happen. Look at the problems the Preds had with Radulov.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735386 is a reply to message #735385 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 12:06

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:54

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:38

I don't want anything to do with the Russian. Russian players are always a gamble. The Oilers need to draft a guy who will forsure be a good player and who will compete. When JP fell to them at #4, on paper he was the bigger, faster, more skilled guy than say Tkachuk but Tkachuk flat out plays his bag off most nights and does what it takes to succeed. The Oilers did not do right by JP development wise so they have to wear much of the blame. I am hopeful there is still a decent player in JP but on a lot of nights he didn't compete. He was too much of a perimeter guy. I know he was in over his head but that shouldn't stop you from competing.

So they need to be careful. Assuming they aren't in the top 2, I'd be all over Byram if they could get him.

I mean, I could name a lot of Canadian players that didnt make it because of compete level.

I also am pretty sure Tampa Bay is glad they didn't take this approach with Kucherov and Vasilevsky.

I'm more along the lines of evaluating players based on their own merit. I don't know enough about this year's draft class to make an informed choice, but I'm not eliminating any based on nationality alone.

It's not so much the nationality but the KHL. He will be a highly touted Russian, those guys get paid in the KHL. My concern is if things don't go exactly like he wants like as an example if he comes over and the Oilers decide he needs AHL time he could say no way am I making 90K riding a bus in the minors when I can go the KHL and make millions. It could happen. Look at the problems the Preds had with Radulov.

I do wonder what would happen if the NHL teams looked at the KHL as a developmental league instead of a competitive one. I think most Russians who have the ability to play in the NHL want to... it is a better league and there is the opportunity to generally have a better quality of life.

But if you have an 18-year-old prospect who is getting good ice time and is getting paid better than toiling in the AHL, is his development that worse off playing against men in the KHL than against men in the AHL? The NHL team doesn't have the ability to recall the player, and perhaps not the same hands-on approach to development... but I look at guys like Puljujarvi and Yakupov and wonder if the KHL (especially during the lockout year) wouldn't have been a positive for a year or two. Maybe they are looking at it wrong.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735388 is a reply to message #735386 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 12:13

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 12:06

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:54

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:38

I don't want anything to do with the Russian. Russian players are always a gamble. The Oilers need to draft a guy who will forsure be a good player and who will compete. When JP fell to them at #4, on paper he was the bigger, faster, more skilled guy than say Tkachuk but Tkachuk flat out plays his bag off most nights and does what it takes to succeed. The Oilers did not do right by JP development wise so they have to wear much of the blame. I am hopeful there is still a decent player in JP but on a lot of nights he didn't compete. He was too much of a perimeter guy. I know he was in over his head but that shouldn't stop you from competing.

So they need to be careful. Assuming they aren't in the top 2, I'd be all over Byram if they could get him.

I mean, I could name a lot of Canadian players that didnt make it because of compete level.

I also am pretty sure Tampa Bay is glad they didn't take this approach with Kucherov and Vasilevsky.

I'm more along the lines of evaluating players based on their own merit. I don't know enough about this year's draft class to make an informed choice, but I'm not eliminating any based on nationality alone.

It's not so much the nationality but the KHL. He will be a highly touted Russian, those guys get paid in the KHL. My concern is if things don't go exactly like he wants like as an example if he comes over and the Oilers decide he needs AHL time he could say no way am I making 90K riding a bus in the minors when I can go the KHL and make millions. It could happen. Look at the problems the Preds had with Radulov.

I do wonder what would happen if the NHL teams looked at the KHL as a developmental league instead of a competitive one. I think most Russians who have the ability to play in the NHL want to... it is a better league and there is the opportunity to generally have a better quality of life.

But if you have an 18-year-old prospect who is getting good ice time and is getting paid better than toiling in the AHL, is his development that worse off playing against men in the KHL than against men in the AHL? The NHL team doesn't have the ability to recall the player, and perhaps not the same hands-on approach to development... but I look at guys like Puljujarvi and Yakupov and wonder if the KHL (especially during the lockout year) wouldn't have been a positive for a year or two. Maybe they are looking at it wrong.

You could be right. The problem in my opinion is the style of game seems to be so different plus the ice surface is so much different.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735389 is a reply to message #735376 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 12:30

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:07

I think their #1 need is wingers however, if by some chance they had a shot at Bryam, I can't see them passing him. He's a good skating, competes hard, puck moving, offensive dman. If you got a guy like him, you could afford to move a decent dman to address the wing.

Absolutely that is their biggest need.

Who do you see them moving on D for someone who can help on the wing? Actual help on the wing. I'm not talking some 3/4 liner. Sure as heck they won't trade Klefbom, Nurse or Larsson. Who else has value around the league to bring that kind of player in without leaving an even bigger gaping hole on D?

Also, as much as we need wingers, we need a starting goalie. This organization won't be turned around by one draft. There are problems throughout. A new GM, new coach, one draft and one off-season won't cure the disease that is spread throughout.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735390 is a reply to message #735388 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 12:33

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I haven't followed this crop at all (had my fill of this crap from 2010 - 2015), but from what I can see, seems that as long as nobody behind us moves up, we have a really good shot at getting a pretty solid player at 7.

And the friggin Avs - likely adding one of Hughes or Kakko to Mackinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog et al. icon_eek

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735391 is a reply to message #735373 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 12:34

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:42

I'd guess they're "happy" with their d cupboard. This is the Oilers we're talking about, they stay on trend (the trend within their boardroom) which tells them they need skilled, fast, wingers.

Personally would LOVE Dach to land with Edmonton, if of course we don't get the chance at Hughes(2) or Kakko(1).

Would Kakko be a positive add for JP?

There is a reason D and C are all you see with the high rated players. You draft D and big Centres high in the draft, then trade those for wingers (plus more) if you need them. I hope they get another dynamic defenseman.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735400 is a reply to message #735380 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 14:18

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mazankowski wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:42

I think if you miss out on Hughes, Kakko, Podkolzin, Byram, Dach or Cozens, then you consider moving down for an actual asset that can play now.

There are great guys still available later in this first round, just not as NHL ready/guaranteed. Caufield, Knight, Leason all come to mind.

If you can get the RFA rights to someone or get a guy who's going to help you now that's cheap, you explore those options. For example, if you can get Burakovsky by moving down 15 spots, you consider it.

Agreed, if the Oilers are out of the top 7 spots, look to move back in the first round and pick up either a couple more picks or a prospect, possibly a player ready to make a roster. This draft is probably at best 9 deep, after that will be a crapshoot.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735401 is a reply to message #735389 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 14:33

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Still think that the D is by far the biggest problem. Just less painful because it’s been a problem for a long time, which occurred somewhat naturally, while the lack of wingers is newer and willfully created.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735420 is a reply to message #735401 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:20

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Tuned in to watch the lottery. So far nothing but 10 mins of talking about the Leafs icon_rolleyes

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735424 is a reply to message #735382 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:39

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:38

I don't want anything to do with the Russian. Russian players are always a gamble. The Oilers need to draft a guy who will forsure be a good player and who will compete. When JP fell to them at #4, on paper he was the bigger, faster, more skilled guy than say Tkachuk but Tkachuk flat out plays his bag off most nights and does what it takes to succeed. The Oilers did not do right by JP development wise so they have to wear much of the blame. I am hopeful there is still a decent player in JP but on a lot of nights he didn't compete. He was too much of a perimeter guy. I know he was in over his head but that shouldn't stop you from competing.

So they need to be careful. Assuming they aren't in the top 2, I'd be all over Byram if they could get him.

I mean, I could name a lot of Canadian players that didnt make it because of compete level.

I also am pretty sure Tampa Bay is glad they didn't take this approach with Kucherov and Vasilevsky.

I'm more along the lines of evaluating players based on their own merit. I don't know enough about this year's draft class to make an informed choice, but I'm not eliminating any based on nationality alone.

Yeah, I'd rather not take a Russian, no thanks, and I'm good with that. Any good Russians in the western conference? They like the eastern US I suppose. Can't count on em in Edmonton that's for sure.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735425 is a reply to message #735424 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:40

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I CALLED IT! I said that last win would cost us a top pick.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735426 is a reply to message #735424 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:41

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Fix! Fix!

The top three are from the top two major American markets. Fix!

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735427 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:41

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So that win in Calgary cost a top 3 pick? icon_lol

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735428 is a reply to message #735424 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:42

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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 18:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 11:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 10:38

I don't want anything to do with the Russian. Russian players are always a gamble. The Oilers need to draft a guy who will forsure be a good player and who will compete. When JP fell to them at #4, on paper he was the bigger, faster, more skilled guy than say Tkachuk but Tkachuk flat out plays his bag off most nights and does what it takes to succeed. The Oilers did not do right by JP development wise so they have to wear much of the blame. I am hopeful there is still a decent player in JP but on a lot of nights he didn't compete. He was too much of a perimeter guy. I know he was in over his head but that shouldn't stop you from competing.

So they need to be careful. Assuming they aren't in the top 2, I'd be all over Byram if they could get him.

I mean, I could name a lot of Canadian players that didnt make it because of compete level.

I also am pretty sure Tampa Bay is glad they didn't take this approach with Kucherov and Vasilevsky.

I'm more along the lines of evaluating players based on their own merit. I don't know enough about this year's draft class to make an informed choice, but I'm not eliminating any based on nationality alone.

Yeah, I'd rather not take a Russian, no thanks, and I'm good with that. Any good Russians in the western conference? They like the eastern US I suppose. Can't count on em in Edmonton that's for sure.

I think Russians need to steer clear of the Oilers more than the Oilers stay away from the Russians. Too bad. There have been some fun ones over the years (Mironov, Kovalenko, Yakupov).

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735429 is a reply to message #735427 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:43

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Suomalainen wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 18:41

So that win in Calgary cost a top 3 pick? icon_lol

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That happened the year we got Gagner and 13 years later he's still playing for the Oilers. Water under the bridge

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735430 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:43

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Of course the Rangers win a top 3 pick.

Glad the Avs got booted to 4th at least.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735431 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:47

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Taylor Hall is a lucky charm

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735432 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:47

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lol, Hall is there for a 5th 1st OA win for his team.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735433 is a reply to message #735431 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:48

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Suomalainen wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 21:47

Taylor Hall is a lucky charm

That has to be some sort of record - 6 1st overall selections including himself for teams he was on.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735434 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:51

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Welp, no more gifts coming our way. Guess we'll have to try to win by actually properly managing the team. Bummer man!

Since we didn't win, nice to see the western conference kicked out of the top 2 picks in general still.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735435 is a reply to message #735434 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 18:55

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 18:51

Welp, no more gifts coming our way. Guess we'll have to try to win by actually properly managing the team. Bummer man!

Since we didn't win, nice to see the western conference kicked out of the top 2 picks in general still.

If the Oilers were capable of being competitive, it would have been really troubling for the Oilers if an already decent Avs team got the top pick. Fortunately, the Oilers will be awful for the foreseeable future and it doesn't matter how good the Avs get.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735436 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 19:02

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Devils have won as many draft lotteries (3) as the Oilers have in the last 10 years. I wonder if we'll hear the same crying and whining from the eastern writers about how poorly managed they are and how sick they are of seeing a bad team being propped up by a bogus lottery system.

Of course you won't, you'll just have Wyshynski (a noted Devils fan and professional Oiler hater) putting out garbage like this:

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/26449511/does-connor-mcda vid-really-want-edmonton

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735437 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 19:20

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Some of us used to proudly rationalize the Hall trade as

Hall
for
Larsson, Lucic, Puljujarvi

Now this has to be updated though

Hall + 2 first OA picks
for
Larsson, Lucic, Puljujarvi

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735441 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 20:46

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Chicago has a ton of great young talent... at least they won’t get Hughes or Kakko, I’d hope anyway.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735442 is a reply to message #735366 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 21:11

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735443 is a reply to message #735442 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 21:26

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Hahahaha... he almost has as many lottery wins as Lowe has rings.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735445 is a reply to message #735443 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 21:42

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So do we trade the pick for help now or wait 2 or 3 years for the player to be ready

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735446 is a reply to message #735445 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 21:44

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steve.kreys wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 21:42

So do we trade the pick for help now or wait 2 or 3 years for the player to be ready

No cap space to add a quality player. Only help now we can do with may be attaching it to Lucic to get rid of his terrible contract. Think I would rather get the new youngin.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735447 is a reply to message #735446 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 21:56

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 21:44

steve.kreys wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 21:42

So do we trade the pick for help now or wait 2 or 3 years for the player to be ready

No cap space to add a quality player. Only help now we can do with may be attaching it to Lucic to get rid of his terrible contract. Think I would rather get the new youngin.

Kirby Dach, please.

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Re: NHL Draft Lottery 2019 [message #735448 is a reply to message #735445 ]	Tue, 09 April 2019 21:56

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steve.kreys wrote on Tue, 09 April 2019 21:42

So do we trade the pick for help now or wait 2 or 3 years for the player to be ready

We should at least try to destroy his value before we deal him...

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