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Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
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Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

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Clean house or bust

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

I didn't like the defensive shell the team decided to go into in the 3rd but I give them credit for battling back and winning this one. This is a game they had to have to keep their faint playoff hopes alive.

When McDavid hit that post on the empty net, I thought for sure the Sabres would tie it up.

Short stint but ever since Talbot was traded, Koskinen has looked really good except for the Leafs game. I think he is over .920 since the trade. I hope this is a trend of what is to come and make that early signing look like a good one. I would keep playing him a lot.

Leon scored another goal and made another ridiculous pass to set up the game tying goal. Second in the league in goals scored, good chance he will score 50 goals this season. Tied for 5th overall in points with some guy called Sidney Crosby and probably gets 100 points. Man that guy is "overpaid" and lazy.

[Updated on: Tue, 05 March 2019 08:21]

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:51

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:43 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 11:18 I didn't like the defensive shell the team decided to go into in the 3rd but I give them credit for battling back and winning this one. This is a game they had to have to keep their faint playoff hopes alive. When McDavid hit that post on the empty net, I thought for sure the Sabres would tie it up. Short stint but ever since Talbot was traded, Koskinen has looked really good except for the Leafs game. I think he is over .920 since the trade. I hope this is a trend of what is to come and make that early signing look like a good one. I would keep playing him a lot. Leon scored another goal and made another ridiculous pass to set up the game tying goal. Second in the league in goals scored, good chance he will score 50 goals this season. Tied for 5th overall in points with some guy called Sidney Crosby and probably gets 100 points. Man that guy is "overpaid" and lazy. Drai on pace for 50G, 50A too. When was the last time someone got 50 of each? I don't recall it happening in the last 5 years or so. Maybe Malkin 6-7 years ago? I think he had 50G 50+ A at one point...maybe 2011? Too lazy to look it up right now. I am a big fan of Leon and while I always want ALL players to make less, I never understood the crap this guy takes at times. He still does. Then I look at who's been signed since him. Eichel 10 mill who is not 1.5 mill better and won't outscore Leon. Matthews is 11.634 next year. I have a hard time believing that Matthews is over 3 mill better and I am not convinced he will outscore Leon. Tkachuk for the Flames is coming up who's a very good player. I'd have him on my team. He might not get quite as much as Leon but I bet it's in the ball park. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tkachuk making no more than 1 mill less than Leon and Leon is superior to Tkachuk.

I don't think you understand the salary criticisms - those weren't slams on Draisaitl. He needs to take care of himself, and so I believe anyone should try to maximize their earnings. His agent did a good job getting him that deal, and Draisaitl's done a good job living up to it so far.

The criticism is at Chiarelli for signing that deal when he had opportunities to do it cheaper. He could have got Draisaitl under an extension any time in the full year before he actually signed a deal. He could have done the Draisaitl deal first - before McDavid and certainly before bad overpays on Russell and Gryba. He instead waited until the summer and let the agent stoke fears of an offer sheet that wasn't ever likely to happen, and then he paid through the nose.

Yes, the guys signed after him are getting big deals - that's part of the way the system works in the NHL. They base comp on comparables, and Draisaitl getting an extra million bucks a year has an inflationary impact on the Eichel and Matthews deals among others.

I'm thrilled Leon is putting up the numbers. I've been on record many times saying that people's impressions of him as lazy have more to do with his long, efficient strides than they do with any reality. But the Oilers could have saved a million dollars a year over the life of that contract, and for a cap-strapped team, that's significant.

I'm not giving him back, I'm not trading him away. Unlike many Chia-blunders, the Draisaitl deal is one you can live with. But it doesn't mean that Chiarelli didn't blow it, even so.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
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Adam wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:51 NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:43 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 11:18 I didn't like the defensive shell the team decided to go into in the 3rd but I give them credit for battling back and winning this one. This is a game they had to have to keep their faint playoff hopes alive. When McDavid hit that post on the empty net, I thought for sure the Sabres would tie it up. Short stint but ever since Talbot was traded, Koskinen has looked really good except for the Leafs game. I think he is over .920 since the trade. I hope this is a trend of what is to come and make that early signing look like a good one. I would keep playing him a lot. Leon scored another goal and made another ridiculous pass to set up the game tying goal. Second in the league in goals scored, good chance he will score 50 goals this season. Tied for 5th overall in points with some guy called Sidney Crosby and probably gets 100 points. Man that guy is "overpaid" and lazy. Drai on pace for 50G, 50A too. When was the last time someone got 50 of each? I don't recall it happening in the last 5 years or so. Maybe Malkin 6-7 years ago? I think he had 50G 50+ A at one point...maybe 2011? Too lazy to look it up right now. I am a big fan of Leon and while I always want ALL players to make less, I never understood the crap this guy takes at times. He still does. Then I look at who's been signed since him. Eichel 10 mill who is not 1.5 mill better and won't outscore Leon. Matthews is 11.634 next year. I have a hard time believing that Matthews is over 3 mill better and I am not convinced he will outscore Leon. Tkachuk for the Flames is coming up who's a very good player. I'd have him on my team. He might not get quite as much as Leon but I bet it's in the ball park. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tkachuk making no more than 1 mill less than Leon and Leon is superior to Tkachuk. I don't think you understand the salary criticisms - those weren't slams on Draisaitl. He needs to take care of himself, and so I believe anyone should try to maximize their earnings. His agent did a good job getting him that deal, and Draisaitl's done a good job living up to it so far. The criticism is at Chiarelli for signing that deal when he had opportunities to do it cheaper. He could have got Draisaitl under an extension any time in the full year before he actually signed a deal. He could have done the Draisaitl deal first - before McDavid and certainly before bad overpays on Russell and Gryba. He instead waited until the summer and let the agent stoke fears of an offer sheet that wasn't ever likely to happen, and then he paid through the nose. Yes, the guys signed after him are getting big deals - that's part of the way the system works in the NHL. They base comp on comparables, and Draisaitl getting an extra million bucks a year has an inflationary impact on the Eichel and Matthews deals among others. I'm thrilled Leon is putting up the numbers. I've been on record many times saying that people's impressions of him as lazy have more to do with his long, efficient strides than they do with any reality. But the Oilers could have saved a million dollars a year over the life of that contract, and for a cap-strapped team, that's significant. I'm not giving him back, I'm not trading him away. Unlike many Chia-blunders, the Draisaitl deal is one you can live with. But it doesn't mean that Chiarelli didn't blow it, even so.

Completely agree with you on this Adam. I imagine had his deal been done BEFORE Conner’s, his high end would have been mid-high 7.

Either way, the way he’s producing this year he’s a bargain at even 8.5. But imagine if we had an extra Million to work with? That’s a lot of excess with a team up to the cap like us.

Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
Category 1 - Lightly Musty
Category 2 - Moderately Musty
Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 11:17

Adam wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 10:03 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:51 NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:43 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 11:18 I didn't like the defensive shell the team decided to go into in the 3rd but I give them credit for battling back and winning this one. This is a game they had to have to keep their faint playoff hopes alive. When McDavid hit that post on the empty net, I thought for sure the Sabres would tie it up. Short stint but ever since Talbot was traded, Koskinen has looked really good except for the Leafs game. I think he is over .920 since the trade. I hope this is a trend of what is to come and make that early signing look like a good one. I would keep playing him a lot. Leon scored another goal and made another ridiculous pass to set up the game tying goal. Second in the league in goals scored, good chance he will score 50 goals this season. Tied for 5th overall in points with some guy called Sidney Crosby and probably gets 100 points. Man that guy is "overpaid" and lazy. Drai on pace for 50G, 50A too. When was the last time someone got 50 of each? I don't recall it happening in the last 5 years or so. Maybe Malkin 6-7 years ago? I think he had 50G 50+ A at one point...maybe 2011? Too lazy to look it up right now. I am a big fan of Leon and while I always want ALL players to make less, I never understood the crap this guy takes at times. He still does. Then I look at who's been signed since him. Eichel 10 mill who is not 1.5 mill better and won't outscore Leon. Matthews is 11.634 next year. I have a hard time believing that Matthews is over 3 mill better and I am not convinced he will outscore Leon. Tkachuk for the Flames is coming up who's a very good player. I'd have him on my team. He might not get quite as much as Leon but I bet it's in the ball park. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tkachuk making no more than 1 mill less than Leon and Leon is superior to Tkachuk. I don't think you understand the salary criticisms - those weren't slams on Draisaitl. He needs to take care of himself, and so I believe anyone should try to maximize their earnings. His agent did a good job getting him that deal, and Draisaitl's done a good job living up to it so far. The criticism is at Chiarelli for signing that deal when he had opportunities to do it cheaper. He could have got Draisaitl under an extension any time in the full year before he actually signed a deal. He could have done the Draisaitl deal first - before McDavid and certainly before bad overpays on Russell and Gryba. He instead waited until the summer and let the agent stoke fears of an offer sheet that wasn't ever likely to happen, and then he paid through the nose. Yes, the guys signed after him are getting big deals - that's part of the way the system works in the NHL. They base comp on comparables, and Draisaitl getting an extra million bucks a year has an inflationary impact on the Eichel and Matthews deals among others. I'm thrilled Leon is putting up the numbers. I've been on record many times saying that people's impressions of him as lazy have more to do with his long, efficient strides than they do with any reality. But the Oilers could have saved a million dollars a year over the life of that contract, and for a cap-strapped team, that's significant. I'm not giving him back, I'm not trading him away. Unlike many Chia-blunders, the Draisaitl deal is one you can live with. But it doesn't mean that Chiarelli didn't blow it, even so. Completely agree with you on this Adam. I imagine had his deal been done BEFORE Conner’s, his high end would have been mid-high 7. Either way, the way he’s producing this year he’s a bargain at even 8.5. But imagine if we had an extra Million to work with? That’s a lot of excess with a team up to the cap like us.

It hurt our chances to contend in years 1 and 2 of his deal for sure. But, we just wasted those years anyways with far far worse contracts than Drai's. And now, we enter a time period where his cap hit is perfectly in line. All focus is on some poor GM to get rid of like 20M of dead weight from the lineup to create the proper cap space that we should have had right now.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 12:39

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 11:17 Adam wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 10:03 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:51 NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 08:43 RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 March 2019 11:18 I didn't like the defensive shell the team decided to go into in the 3rd but I give them credit for battling back and winning this one. This is a game they had to have to keep their faint playoff hopes alive. When McDavid hit that post on the empty net, I thought for sure the Sabres would tie it up. Short stint but ever since Talbot was traded, Koskinen has looked really good except for the Leafs game. I think he is over .920 since the trade. I hope this is a trend of what is to come and make that early signing look like a good one. I would keep playing him a lot. Leon scored another goal and made another ridiculous pass to set up the game tying goal. Second in the league in goals scored, good chance he will score 50 goals this season. Tied for 5th overall in points with some guy called Sidney Crosby and probably gets 100 points. Man that guy is "overpaid" and lazy. Drai on pace for 50G, 50A too. When was the last time someone got 50 of each? I don't recall it happening in the last 5 years or so. Maybe Malkin 6-7 years ago? I think he had 50G 50+ A at one point...maybe 2011? Too lazy to look it up right now. I am a big fan of Leon and while I always want ALL players to make less, I never understood the crap this guy takes at times. He still does. Then I look at who's been signed since him. Eichel 10 mill who is not 1.5 mill better and won't outscore Leon. Matthews is 11.634 next year. I have a hard time believing that Matthews is over 3 mill better and I am not convinced he will outscore Leon. Tkachuk for the Flames is coming up who's a very good player. I'd have him on my team. He might not get quite as much as Leon but I bet it's in the ball park. I wouldn't be surprised to see Tkachuk making no more than 1 mill less than Leon and Leon is superior to Tkachuk. I don't think you understand the salary criticisms - those weren't slams on Draisaitl. He needs to take care of himself, and so I believe anyone should try to maximize their earnings. His agent did a good job getting him that deal, and Draisaitl's done a good job living up to it so far. The criticism is at Chiarelli for signing that deal when he had opportunities to do it cheaper. He could have got Draisaitl under an extension any time in the full year before he actually signed a deal. He could have done the Draisaitl deal first - before McDavid and certainly before bad overpays on Russell and Gryba. He instead waited until the summer and let the agent stoke fears of an offer sheet that wasn't ever likely to happen, and then he paid through the nose. Yes, the guys signed after him are getting big deals - that's part of the way the system works in the NHL. They base comp on comparables, and Draisaitl getting an extra million bucks a year has an inflationary impact on the Eichel and Matthews deals among others. I'm thrilled Leon is putting up the numbers. I've been on record many times saying that people's impressions of him as lazy have more to do with his long, efficient strides than they do with any reality. But the Oilers could have saved a million dollars a year over the life of that contract, and for a cap-strapped team, that's significant. I'm not giving him back, I'm not trading him away. Unlike many Chia-blunders, the Draisaitl deal is one you can live with. But it doesn't mean that Chiarelli didn't blow it, even so. Completely agree with you on this Adam. I imagine had his deal been done BEFORE Conner’s, his high end would have been mid-high 7. Either way, the way he’s producing this year he’s a bargain at even 8.5. But imagine if we had an extra Million to work with? That’s a lot of excess with a team up to the cap like us. You don't think that McDavid's agent and Leon's agent and even the players themselves didn't talk at all prior to the contracts getting signed? Come on, get real. All these players and agents talk all the time. If you wanted to get Leon for 7, you had to do it either mid season or at the start of the year and roll the dice. Don't think for a second that how Leon was in the playoffs didn't raise his ask because it sure did. Doesn't make it right but that's what happens. Go to any team over how ever many years you want to look and as soon as the team and especially the player has playoff success in a contract year, the price goes up.

We looked at comparable wingers and centres re: their point totals and salaries in a different thread. You think if the Oilers had a competent GM and not blank-cheque Chia that Draisaitl would have got what he got? Cmon. Get real.

Survivor CHAMP S52 | S66
OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
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Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

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Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
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Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

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