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Clean house or bust

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

This forum has turned into a pessimistic cesspool of bitching and whining about the same topics consistently.

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Clean house or bust

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[Updated on: Wed, 13 February 2019 13:37]

Clean house or bust

Clean house or bust

Clean house or bust

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Clean house or bust

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haggis wrote on Thu, 21 May 2020 23:40

Didn't grow up in Canada and so never watched games from the 80s. In these times of 'no sports' i've got to watch some of these classic games on TV and have come to realise how utterly crap the goalies were back then. It was like watching kids on the driveway take shots at a faulty tutor shooter. Amazed there weren't more 300 goal seasons

I just finished watching Gretzky's 5-goal game against Philly in December of 1981 where he got to 50-goals in 39-games. That was a treat to watch. Fuhr gave up a bunch of goals but somehow still played phenomenal. Currently midway through Game 1 of the 1984 Stanley Cup Final and Fuhr is putting on another show, but this time, so is Billy Smith. Wow.

On that note, this is off topic, but do any of you know a place where you can find highlights from other games in the 1980s? I'm looking for games during the 1987-88 season. My neighbor's brother played 14 games during that season for the Oilers, and I'd love find video of his two goals. Specifically, October 16, 1987 versus Calgary and April 1, 1988 versus St. Louis. He had a few assists too, but I figure the goals would be easier to find. I've struck out on Youtube, doesn't mean they're not there, just that I lack the ability to find them. Can any of you help?

And what are the chances any of you remember John Miner? LOL

ETA: specifying that he played for the Oilers.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 02 June 2012 00:29

But he (Belanger)'s as soft as room temp. margarine.

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 16 March 2021 18:49

Turris in the BOA will be like an ice cube in the Sahara.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

Mike Bossy.. until his lower back was destroyed from all the lumber he took in front of the net.
Forced to retire at AGE 30 due to the debilitating pain from his back. You can see the drop off in 1987 before he retired the next season, still managed 38 goals in 63 games.

His goals per game while healthy(1st nine years) was 0.776 gpg , and 0.762 gpg for the career.
Nine consecutive 50+ goal seasons (NHL record) starting from his draft year as a rookie.

Ovie is 0.613 career so far, with only 166 more goals, while playing an extra 7 seasons and 454 games.

Plus Bossy was a playmaker as well, had almost as many assists as goals, 0.735 assists per game. Ovie is more uni-dimensional his assists are only 0.494 per game.

So I'm picking Bossy!

1977-78	New York Islanders	NHL	73	53	38	91	
1978-79	New York Islanders	NHL	80	69	57	126	
1979-80	New York Islanders	NHL	75	51	41	92	
1980-81	New York Islanders	NHL	79	68	51	119	
1981-82	New York Islanders	NHL	80	64	83	147	
1982-83	New York Islanders	NHL	79	60	58	118	
1983-84	New York Islanders	NHL	67	51	67	118	
1984-85	New York Islanders	NHL	76	58	59	117	
1985-86	New York Islanders	NHL	80	61	62	123	
1986-87	New York Islanders	NHL	63	38	37	75	

NHL Totals		
Games 752	Goals 573	Assists 553	Pts 1126	

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 November 2021 16:18

Mike Bossy.. until his lower back was destroyed from all the lumber he took in front of the net. Forced to retire at AGE 30 due to the debilitating pain from his back. You can see the drop off in 1987 before he retired the next season, still managed 38 goals in 63 games. His goals per game while healthy(1st nine years) was 0.776 gpg , and 0.762 gpg for the career. Nine consecutive 50+ goal seasons (NHL record) starting from his draft year as a rookie. Ovie is 0.613 career so far, with only 166 more goals, while playing an extra 7 seasons and 454 games. Plus Bossy was a playmaker as well, had almost as many assists as goals, 0.735 assists per game. Ovie is more uni-dimensional his assists are only 0.494 per game. So I'm picking Bossy! 1977-78 New York Islanders NHL 73 53 38 91 1978-79 New York Islanders NHL 80 69 57 126 1979-80 New York Islanders NHL 75 51 41 92 1980-81 New York Islanders NHL 79 68 51 119 1981-82 New York Islanders NHL 80 64 83 147 1982-83 New York Islanders NHL 79 60 58 118 1983-84 New York Islanders NHL 67 51 67 118 1984-85 New York Islanders NHL 76 58 59 117 1985-86 New York Islanders NHL 80 61 62 123 1986-87 New York Islanders NHL 63 38 37 75 NHL Totals Games 752 Goals 573 Assists 553 Pts 1126

That’s always the debate. Health is part of the equation. Maybe Lemieux beats some of Gretzky’s totals if he’s healthy, maybe Ovi would be closer if not for lockouts and shortened seasons. Ultimately if he breaks the record he’s the greatest goal scorer of all time, if he doesn’t, it’s still Gretzky.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

2007–08	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	65	82	1
2008–09	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	56	79	2
2009–10	Sidney Crosby....	Pittsburgh Penguins	51	81	1
2009-10    Steven Stamkos     Tampa Bay Lightning	51	82	1
2010–11	Corey Perry.......	Anaheim Ducks...	50	82	1
2011–12	Steven Stamkos	.....   Tampa Bay Lightning	60	82	2
2012–13	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	32	48	3
2013–14	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	51	78	4
2014–15	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	53	81	5
2015–16	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	50	79	6
2016–17	Sidney Crosby....	Pittsburgh Penguins	44	75	2
2017–18	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	49	82	7
2018–19	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	51	81	8
2019–20	Alexander Ovechkin	Washington Capitals	48	68	9
2019-20    David Pastrnak...	Boston Bruins.....	48	70	1
2020–21	Auston Matthews....	Toronto Maple Leafs	41	52	1

[Updated on: Tue, 02 November 2021 16:43]

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

[Updated on: Tue, 02 November 2021 21:14]

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 02 November 2021 15:22

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 02 November 2021 16:18 Mike Bossy.. until his lower back was destroyed from all the lumber he took in front of the net. Forced to retire at AGE 30 due to the debilitating pain from his back. You can see the drop off in 1987 before he retired the next season, still managed 38 goals in 63 games. His goals per game while healthy(1st nine years) was 0.776 gpg , and 0.762 gpg for the career. Nine consecutive 50+ goal seasons (NHL record) starting from his draft year as a rookie. Ovie is 0.613 career so far, with only 166 more goals, while playing an extra 7 seasons and 454 games. Plus Bossy was a playmaker as well, had almost as many assists as goals, 0.735 assists per game. Ovie is more uni-dimensional his assists are only 0.494 per game. So I'm picking Bossy! 1977-78 New York Islanders NHL 73 53 38 91 1978-79 New York Islanders NHL 80 69 57 126 1979-80 New York Islanders NHL 75 51 41 92 1980-81 New York Islanders NHL 79 68 51 119 1981-82 New York Islanders NHL 80 64 83 147 1982-83 New York Islanders NHL 79 60 58 118 1983-84 New York Islanders NHL 67 51 67 118 1984-85 New York Islanders NHL 76 58 59 117 1985-86 New York Islanders NHL 80 61 62 123 1986-87 New York Islanders NHL 63 38 37 75 NHL Totals Games 752 Goals 573 Assists 553 Pts 1126 That’s always the debate. Health is part of the equation. Maybe Lemieux beats some of Gretzky’s totals if he’s healthy, maybe Ovi would be closer if not for lockouts and shortened seasons. Ultimately if he breaks the record he’s the greatest goal scorer of all time, if he doesn’t, it’s still Gretzky.

Ya, I think Gretzky is penalized sometimes in these debates because he wasn't just overpowering goalies with his shot or anything, but the numbers for Gretzky are mind-boggling.

To try and compare somewhat apples to apples, Gretzky's gpg in the first 9 years of his career was 0.838. If you take each player's best 5 year stretch, Bossy's is from 1979-80 to 1982-83, and he scored 312 goals. Gretzky's best 5 year stretch is from 1980-81 to 1984-85 and he scored 378 goals (basically a full season's worth of goals more than Bossy).

In the 8 years where they were both in the NHL, Bossy only topped Gretzky in goals twice (in 80/81 and 85/86), they tied once (79/80) and Gretzky scored more 5 times.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

Clean house or bust

Clean house or bust

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

NCREDiBLE wrote on Thu, 21 April 2022 14:28

On NHL 14 I once scored 76 goals with Shawn Horcoff on be a gm mode Seriously tho, can Ovechkin hit 50 again next year and hold the record to himself? Kind of shocked with how Bossy & Gretzky owned the league that they didn't get 50 over 10 times. Imagine if Lemieux was healthy too I'm sure he would have had some hard numbers to break.

I think the biggest thing is health for all those players.

Bossy only played 10 seasons and only missed scoring 50 in the last one - even there, he had 38 in 63 games so pretty solid pace, even with his body breaking down.

Gretzky, despite being a pass-first player, scored over 50 his first eight seasons, and he too missed finally because of injury. He had 40 goals in 64 games in Season Nine (his last with Edmonton). Up until that point he's extremely durable and misses virtually no time - just 8 games in 8 seasons. After that, he never played a full season again until 1996-97. He was always a great player in his career, but Gary Suter did him significant damage with the dirty hit in the 1991 Canada Cup and he wasn't really the same after that. Still a brilliant playmaker, but the scoring numbers drop and don't recover. Gary Suter was the worst.

Mario, well, obviously, he had cancer and back issues. Just six 50 goal campaigns and missed 50 in his first two seasons which I'm definitely pointing out to my "Mario-is-the-best-scorer-ever" friends next time this comes up...

Also, completely unrelated sidenote from looking this stuff up on hockeydb. Saw this on the side of the screen and it made me laugh:

Quote:

Similar Players Not the Wayne Gretzky you're looking for? We have one other player with a similar name. Wayne Grotski (AJHL) [1974-1978]

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Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Thu, 21 April 2022 16:36

NCREDiBLE wrote on Thu, 21 April 2022 14:28 CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 17 March 2022 22:00 oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 16 March 2022 13:05 Goose wrote on Wed, 16 March 2022 14:04 oilfan94 wrote on Wed, 16 March 2022 10:46 smyth260 wrote on Wed, 16 March 2022 13:32 Ovechkin officially 3rd all time in goals scored, passing Jagr with 767. Next is Gordie Howe at 801. Ever since Adam mentioned PEDs its hard not to wonder at this age. There are a handful of players I have noticed who somehow have a career renaissance in an older age the past few seasons. I would have no way of knowing if any of them are actually guilty of any PEDs, but I have been more and more suspicious that it is a growing problem that the NHL is turning a blind eye to. IF (big if) Ovechkin is doing it and the NHL suspects it, then I think 100% he would be the reason they don't want to start looking into it more now. This is one of those things that I wonder if it will get more attention when Bettman is no longer commissioner. There are some things that I do like about Bettman, which I never thought I would say, but at this point I think the NHL really needs someone new in that position. Rod "the Bod" Brind'amour is definitely one guy I'm suspicious of and it bothers me every time I think about 2006. The guy looks to be on a pretty steep decline having scored 12G/38pts in 03/04, hadn't score 30 goals in almost a decade, and then scores 31G/70 pts in 05/06 at the age of 36. And then went on to score 26G/82 pts the next year at the age of 37. Almost 30 points higher than he had been scoring 5 years earlier. The league scoring more coming out of the lockout might have had something to do with it, but I don't think a lot of guys on the wrong side of 35 were scoring 30 more points than they were pre-lockout. I never thought about Brind'Amour much there because, like you said, there was that big scoring bump in 2006 and 2007. The other player I always think about is Dustin Brown. Huge drop off in 2013-14 and was under 30 points 3 years in a row, then a little bump up to 36 and suddenly 61 points for a career high at age 34. He has slowly declined again, but still not as low as he was from ages 28-32. I suppose you could make the argument that he was used differently under Sutter, but that is a big decline and a big jump to blame on the coach. Let's not forget Shawn Horcoff as well. On NHL 14 I once scored 76 goals with Shawn Horcoff on be a gm mode Seriously tho, can Ovechkin hit 50 again next year and hold the record to himself? Kind of shocked with how Bossy & Gretzky owned the league that they didn't get 50 over 10 times. Imagine if Lemieux was healthy too I'm sure he would have had some hard numbers to break. I once accomplished a similar feat where I broke all NHL single season scoring records with Tony Salmelainen. Was NHL 03 or 04.

Guy was stupid fast in that game.

Clean house or bust