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 Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729221 is a reply to message #729219 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37


I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.



Lowetide and others have a point...

If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).

I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...




I don't hate Benning, but I do think he makes a little much for a third pairing guy.

I do believe they signed him and didn't replace Sekera adequately because they believed Benning would take that Top-4 spot; that failed miserably, to the point Caleb Jones played in that role instead.

Benning is a useful player and he's young enough and good enough that the Oilers can find somewhere to move him. But if you are looking to move cap, I think this is a good place. I think either Bear or Jones is likely to being what Benning does at a cheaper rate.

FWIW, RDOilers fan has a ship list similar to mine: Kassian, Russell, Rieder, Talbot, Spooner, Petrovic, Manning, Benning, Brodziak, Lucic, Gravel, Chiasson. Varying degrees to which I want to move them, and not all are tradable (Lucic, Manning), and some more likely to be moved at the draft than the deadline, but all are expendable and I'm doing what I can to get them off the books or get an asset before the contract expires.



Ask yourself though, is Jones (or Bear) actually ahead of Benning though? Both of them made many of the same errors that Benning does, but we tend to be forgiving of those things in a rookie season. Now, they may very well mature past those things and surpass Benning, but I don’t think it’s actually happened yet. I do agree that Benning, like almost anyone else in the big leagues who got signed by PC, is overpaid, but there’s a lot worse contracts on the Oilers, and I’m not confiemdent that the team doesn’t give the same money or more to Jones or Bear after next season - whether they’re full value for it or not.

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 Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729224 is a reply to message #729221 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 19:24

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:54

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37


I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.



Lowetide and others have a point...

If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).

I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...




I don't hate Benning, but I do think he makes a little much for a third pairing guy.

I do believe they signed him and didn't replace Sekera adequately because they believed Benning would take that Top-4 spot; that failed miserably, to the point Caleb Jones played in that role instead.

Benning is a useful player and he's young enough and good enough that the Oilers can find somewhere to move him. But if you are looking to move cap, I think this is a good place. I think either Bear or Jones is likely to being what Benning does at a cheaper rate.

FWIW, RDOilers fan has a ship list similar to mine: Kassian, Russell, Rieder, Talbot, Spooner, Petrovic, Manning, Benning, Brodziak, Lucic, Gravel, Chiasson. Varying degrees to which I want to move them, and not all are tradable (Lucic, Manning), and some more likely to be moved at the draft than the deadline, but all are expendable and I'm doing what I can to get them off the books or get an asset before the contract expires.



Ask yourself though, is Jones (or Bear) actually ahead of Benning though? Both of them made many of the same errors that Benning does, but we tend to be forgiving of those things in a rookie season. Now, they may very well mature past those things and surpass Benning, but I don’t think it’s actually happened yet. I do agree that Benning, like almost anyone else in the big leagues who got signed by PC, is overpaid, but there’s a lot worse contracts on the Oilers, and I’m not confiemdent that the team doesn’t give the same money or more to Jones or Bear after next season - whether they’re full value for it or not.

For me and I mentioned it a bit in another post, what does Benning do better than say a Jones? Benning has more experience which might be an advantage but if he keep making all these dumb rookie like errors, it doesn't mean much. Even points wise. Benning in 42 games has 10 pts, Jones in 17 games has 6.

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 Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729223 is a reply to message #729216 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37


I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.



Lowetide and others have a point...

If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).

I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...




I agree with you. I don't think Benning is bad, I just don't know how much of an upgrade he is on other guys the Oilers have. If they traded Benning and say brought up Jones who in the minors played all the right side, are they downgrading anything? Honestly, I don't think they are. Jones looked pretty good, where he started to show cracks is when he was asked to play top 4 minutes and he showed he is not quite ready to take that job. But to me it is a bit telling when the coaching staff decided to put a rookie in the top 4 over Benning, a 3rd year vet who will have over 200 games at the end of this season. They have seen Benning and know he can't be more than a 3rd pairing, they look at Jones and think he's close. So if you are playing Jones over Benning in a 3rd pairing role giving him 14 mins a night, at worse its a saw off in my opinion and it might be better. Jones is way faster, moves the puck way better, passes the puck way better. The only advantage Benning has is experience and I don't know if that makes much difference given the mistakes he STILL makes.

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 Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729236 is a reply to message #729223 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 08:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37


I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.



Lowetide and others have a point...

If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).

I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...




I agree with you. I don't think Benning is bad, I just don't know how much of an upgrade he is on other guys the Oilers have. If they traded Benning and say brought up Jones who in the minors played all the right side, are they downgrading anything? Honestly, I don't think they are. Jones looked pretty good, where he started to show cracks is when he was asked to play top 4 minutes and he showed he is not quite ready to take that job. But to me it is a bit telling when the coaching staff decided to put a rookie in the top 4 over Benning, a 3rd year vet who will have over 200 games at the end of this season. They have seen Benning and know he can't be more than a 3rd pairing, they look at Jones and think he's close. So if you are playing Jones over Benning in a 3rd pairing role giving him 14 mins a night, at worse its a saw off in my opinion and it might be better. Jones is way faster, moves the puck way better, passes the puck way better. The only advantage Benning has is experience and I don't know if that makes much difference given the mistakes he STILL makes.


If Benning and Jones are basically equal, I'd prefer to keep Benning for now, and let Jones (and Bear) ripen in the minors for much of the next year. They'll develop more playing all situations there than they will playing sheltered minutes here, and it will help moderate their second contracts if you haven't put them in to the NHL full-time.

I don't necessarily agree that Jones is equal to Benning yet anyhow, and he's a left shot, so if he's the replacement you've got him on his weak side...so unless you're getting a really nice return for Benning, I'm keeping him and playing him for another year.


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 Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729239 is a reply to message #729236 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 12:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 08:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37


I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.



Lowetide and others have a point...

If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).

I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...




I agree with you. I don't think Benning is bad, I just don't know how much of an upgrade he is on other guys the Oilers have. If they traded Benning and say brought up Jones who in the minors played all the right side, are they downgrading anything? Honestly, I don't think they are. Jones looked pretty good, where he started to show cracks is when he was asked to play top 4 minutes and he showed he is not quite ready to take that job. But to me it is a bit telling when the coaching staff decided to put a rookie in the top 4 over Benning, a 3rd year vet who will have over 200 games at the end of this season. They have seen Benning and know he can't be more than a 3rd pairing, they look at Jones and think he's close. So if you are playing Jones over Benning in a 3rd pairing role giving him 14 mins a night, at worse its a saw off in my opinion and it might be better. Jones is way faster, moves the puck way better, passes the puck way better. The only advantage Benning has is experience and I don't know if that makes much difference given the mistakes he STILL makes.


If Benning and Jones are basically equal, I'd prefer to keep Benning for now, and let Jones (and Bear) ripen in the minors for much of the next year. They'll develop more playing all situations there than they will playing sheltered minutes here, and it will help moderate their second contracts if you haven't put them in to the NHL full-time.

I don't necessarily agree that Jones is equal to Benning yet anyhow, and he's a left shot, so if he's the replacement you've got him on his weak side...so unless you're getting a really nice return for Benning, I'm keeping him and playing him for another year.


From my perspective, I don't think they are equal. Jones is faster and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Jones is a much better passer and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Offensively, Benning has 10 pts in 42 games, Jones has 6 points in 17 games. Jones has more offense in him. Defensively, I don't think Benning is that much better. Maybe he gets a slight edge but for a guy with over 2 more seasons worth of experience, he sure doesn't stand out much in that department compared to Jones.

I don't mind if Jones spends the rest of the year in the minors developing while Benning is up but after this season, I sure wouldn't be having Benning over Jones on the roster. We all thing the Oilers team needs to improve. ON defense they need more speed, more puck moving and more offense. SO how do they do that? The notion of miraculously getting this top end dman while giving up nothing isn't realistic. It won't happen. I said it before but in my opinion, the Oilers have too many guys who are just good enough to play in the NHL. Benning is good enough to be in teams 3rd pair but there isn't one thing that he does overly well. And in my opinion, if he wasn't right handed, no one would care if he's gone.

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 Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729240 is a reply to message #729239 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 13:02

Adam wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 12:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 08:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37


I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.



Lowetide and others have a point...

If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).

I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...




I agree with you. I don't think Benning is bad, I just don't know how much of an upgrade he is on other guys the Oilers have. If they traded Benning and say brought up Jones who in the minors played all the right side, are they downgrading anything? Honestly, I don't think they are. Jones looked pretty good, where he started to show cracks is when he was asked to play top 4 minutes and he showed he is not quite ready to take that job. But to me it is a bit telling when the coaching staff decided to put a rookie in the top 4 over Benning, a 3rd year vet who will have over 200 games at the end of this season. They have seen Benning and know he can't be more than a 3rd pairing, they look at Jones and think he's close. So if you are playing Jones over Benning in a 3rd pairing role giving him 14 mins a night, at worse its a saw off in my opinion and it might be better. Jones is way faster, moves the puck way better, passes the puck way better. The only advantage Benning has is experience and I don't know if that makes much difference given the mistakes he STILL makes.


If Benning and Jones are basically equal, I'd prefer to keep Benning for now, and let Jones (and Bear) ripen in the minors for much of the next year. They'll develop more playing all situations there than they will playing sheltered minutes here, and it will help moderate their second contracts if you haven't put them in to the NHL full-time.

I don't necessarily agree that Jones is equal to Benning yet anyhow, and he's a left shot, so if he's the replacement you've got him on his weak side...so unless you're getting a really nice return for Benning, I'm keeping him and playing him for another year.


From my perspective, I don't think they are equal. Jones is faster and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Jones is a much better passer and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Offensively, Benning has 10 pts in 42 games, Jones has 6 points in 17 games. Jones has more offense in him. Defensively, I don't think Benning is that much better. Maybe he gets a slight edge but for a guy with over 2 more seasons worth of experience, he sure doesn't stand out much in that department compared to Jones.

I don't mind if Jones spends the rest of the year in the minors developing while Benning is up but after this season, I sure wouldn't be having Benning over Jones on the roster.


I dont mind if Jones / Bear ripen in the AHL either. It would curb their second contracts, and frankly, likely make them less attractive for Seattle. If Benning is the claim to Seattle and you have Bear, Bouchard, and Jones waiting to step in and play in 2020-2021, that seems like good cost control.

My question is if the Oilers truly have that luxury. They've really painted themselves into a corner with contracts they absolutely cannot move. I'd rather them move Benning with a suitable replacement available than start panicking and moving Klefbom or RNH, or start packaging up picks and prospects like Benson and Bear to dump contracts like Manning and Lucic.

I wouldn't hate Benning here next year and the prospects in the AHL, but I do think Benning is a slightly overpaid player who is still quite moveable and wouldn't create a massive hole if you were to do so.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 13:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 13:02

Adam wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 12:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 08:39

Adam wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 17:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 16:37


I would look at Benning. Lowtide keeps beating the Benning drum like he is this awesome dman. Where? What am I missing here? I heard Lowtide and McCurdy talking about Benning and his "Numbers" today. How his numbers are good. What numbers? When he started, lots got all excited and thought this guy had an outside chance of being an all around top 4 guy. Sure, he made some mistakes, but he was young. Well apparently, he's peaked. The same mistakes he made his first year, he still makes. His skating is mediocre at best, even a bit slow. His passing isn't very good, he doesn't move the puck that well, defensively he's very inconsistent and offensively, he's got 10 pts in 42 games so he might get you high teens in points. The one plus is he's right handed. Other than that, he is a 3rd pairing guy who can do lots of things at times at a passable level but nothing very good. According to McCurdy apparently Benning doesn't get absolutely crushed and his "numbers " somehow come out even. Every time I watch him, he's doing some 10 bell dumb play but sure.
But if the criterial for your 3rd pairing is just to survive, you can find guys like Gravel making under 1 mill to do that. I would much rather give his spot to a guy who has a dimension. Like a right shooting PP specialist. So maybe you have to shelter his 5 on 5 mins but he is dynamite on your PP.



Lowetide and others have a point...

If you look at old school +/-, Matt Benning has been a positive player in every year he's played, including +4 this year. He's got 10 points, behind only Nurse, Larsson and Klefbom (all who play much more than him).

I think there's evidence he's not a bad third pairing defenceman, and that where he has trouble is when he's asked to play far up the lineup. I don't think it's clear that Manning is a third pairing d-man, and Gravel doesn't have the offence to his game. Add to that that Benning is a right shot...




I agree with you. I don't think Benning is bad, I just don't know how much of an upgrade he is on other guys the Oilers have. If they traded Benning and say brought up Jones who in the minors played all the right side, are they downgrading anything? Honestly, I don't think they are. Jones looked pretty good, where he started to show cracks is when he was asked to play top 4 minutes and he showed he is not quite ready to take that job. But to me it is a bit telling when the coaching staff decided to put a rookie in the top 4 over Benning, a 3rd year vet who will have over 200 games at the end of this season. They have seen Benning and know he can't be more than a 3rd pairing, they look at Jones and think he's close. So if you are playing Jones over Benning in a 3rd pairing role giving him 14 mins a night, at worse its a saw off in my opinion and it might be better. Jones is way faster, moves the puck way better, passes the puck way better. The only advantage Benning has is experience and I don't know if that makes much difference given the mistakes he STILL makes.


If Benning and Jones are basically equal, I'd prefer to keep Benning for now, and let Jones (and Bear) ripen in the minors for much of the next year. They'll develop more playing all situations there than they will playing sheltered minutes here, and it will help moderate their second contracts if you haven't put them in to the NHL full-time.

I don't necessarily agree that Jones is equal to Benning yet anyhow, and he's a left shot, so if he's the replacement you've got him on his weak side...so unless you're getting a really nice return for Benning, I'm keeping him and playing him for another year.


From my perspective, I don't think they are equal. Jones is faster and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Jones is a much better passer and in the NHL and especially for the Oilers, that's important. Offensively, Benning has 10 pts in 42 games, Jones has 6 points in 17 games. Jones has more offense in him. Defensively, I don't think Benning is that much better. Maybe he gets a slight edge but for a guy with over 2 more seasons worth of experience, he sure doesn't stand out much in that department compared to Jones.

I don't mind if Jones spends the rest of the year in the minors developing while Benning is up but after this season, I sure wouldn't be having Benning over Jones on the roster.


I dont mind if Jones / Bear ripen in the AHL either. It would curb their second contracts, and frankly, likely make them less attractive for Seattle. If Benning is the claim to Seattle and you have Bear, Bouchard, and Jones waiting to step in and play in 2020-2021, that seems like good cost control.

My question is if the Oilers truly have that luxury. They've really painted themselves into a corner with contracts they absolutely cannot move. I'd rather them move Benning with a suitable replacement available than start panicking and moving Klefbom or RNH, or start packaging up picks and prospects like Benson and Bear to dump contracts like Manning and Lucic.

I wouldn't hate Benning here next year and the prospects in the AHL, but I do think Benning is a slightly overpaid player who is still quite moveable and wouldn't create a massive hole if you were to do so.

I agree with you. I don't think they would lose out much if they moved Benning and replaced him with a Jones or Bear. I think Bear might be slightly behind Jones now but he's a righty. But at the same time, Jones has played on the right side his entire time in the AHL. So maybe he prefers is. Regardless, if you are able to put in one of them and save 1.2 mill with little to no drop off in play, you have to look at it. Plus a guy like Jones or Bear can hit a streaking McDavid with a pass, Benning can't. That's worth something.

I personally don't think Benning's contract is that bad. Oilers have a tiny bit of defensive depth. Maybe they could use a Benning and something to get a useable bottom 6 forward. They are going to have to make moves like that to improve.

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I agree with you. I don't think they would lose out much if they moved Benning and replaced him with a Jones or Bear. I think Bear might be slightly behind Jones now but he's a righty. But at the same time, Jones has played on the right side his entire time in the AHL. So maybe he prefers is. Regardless, if you are able to put in one of them and save 1.2 mill with little to no drop off in play, you have to look at it. Plus a guy like Jones or Bear can hit a streaking McDavid with a pass, Benning can't. That's worth something.

I personally don't think Benning's contract is that bad. Oilers have a tiny bit of defensive depth. Maybe they could use a Benning and something to get a useable bottom 6 forward. They are going to have to make moves like that to improve.


I don't agree that puck-moving is one of the real weaknesses for Benning. He's made some mistakes for sure, and has been on the wrong side of highlight reels a few times, but he's a better puck-mover than most of our regular defencemen. On that attribute, I'd rank him ahead of Larsson, Russell, Nurse, Petrovic...

I think Goose's points about Seattle are good ones. If they aren't on the NHL roster, Bear and Jones are less likely to be targets in the expansion draft. They're also less likely to command Benning's salary or more with their next contract.

We LOVE rushing d-men in to the league, and Oilers fans are overly quick to forgive first year foibles, but extremely quick to turn on second year d-men who make those same mistakes. This is a very tough place to play as a young puck-moving defenceman, so giving them an extra year of Oilers fans' forgiveness for their mistakes also has some value.

I'm not deadset against moving Benning, but if I'm trying to figure out how to clear cap space without hurting the team, there's a lot better options. Remember, this team still says they plan to make the playoffs. It gets harder to do that if you trade off players who actually have positive contributions like Talbot, Rieder and Benning.

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Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.

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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Outhouse to the penthouse for Rattie - waived and then right on to a line with McD. Poor Connor though...he's got a boat anchor on his left wing...

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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


It's amazing how we are going full circle with Hitch from McLellan. Lucic back on the 1st line, woo! 3 C's deep, all with wingers rarely do anything, woo!

Only thing neither coach really tried is Drai+Nuge on a line.

Starting to feel like I owe Todd a bit of an apology. Guy was still a major bummer when stuff was going bad though. This team would be far into the dumps right now with him.

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Starting to feel like I owe Todd a bit of an apology.


He'll be coaching the Blues next season, don't feel too sorry for him.

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Tom Gazzola
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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Here's the sad thing. People are freaking out about that lineup, and you make three flips, and it's probably the best lineup they can ice:

Flip Lucic and Cave.
Flip Cave and RNH.
Flip Puljujarvi and Kassian.

That's the best this group can do, IMO.

And flip Sekera and Manning when the time is right.

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 16:58


Tom Gazzola
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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


Tom Gazzola
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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Here's the sad thing. People are freaking out about that lineup, and you make three flips, and it's probably the best lineup they can ice:

Flip Lucic and Cave.
Flip Cave and RNH.
Flip Puljujarvi and Kassian.

That's the best this group can do, IMO.

And flip Sekera and Manning when the time is right.


This^^^^

At the moment, and really Cave/Malone likely interchangeable.

Though recency has taught us that these lines will only last 5 minutes.

*Though about the lines in practice... *showcasing* Lucic??

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 19:24

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 20:07

nullterm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 16:58


Tom Gazzola
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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


Tom Gazzola
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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Here's the sad thing. People are freaking out about that lineup, and you make three flips, and it's probably the best lineup they can ice:

Flip Lucic and Cave.
Flip Cave and RNH.
Flip Puljujarvi and Kassian.

That's the best this group can do, IMO.

And flip Sekera and Manning when the time is right.


This^^^^

At the moment, and really Cave/Malone likely interchangeable.

Though recency has taught us that these lines will only last 5 minutes.

*Though about the lines in practice... *showcasing* Lucic??

We’re going to look back at this season in a few years and have a really hard time remember a lot of these players.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 23:15

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 19:24

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 20:07

nullterm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 16:58


Tom Gazzola
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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


Tom Gazzola
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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Here's the sad thing. People are freaking out about that lineup, and you make three flips, and it's probably the best lineup they can ice:

Flip Lucic and Cave.
Flip Cave and RNH.
Flip Puljujarvi and Kassian.

That's the best this group can do, IMO.

And flip Sekera and Manning when the time is right.


This^^^^

At the moment, and really Cave/Malone likely interchangeable.

Though recency has taught us that these lines will only last 5 minutes.

*Though about the lines in practice... *showcasing* Lucic??

We’re going to look back at this season in a few years and have a really hard time remember a lot of these players.


You sure? They're all pretty memorable...

Guy MGMT SWOONED over for years - Connor - Preseason Art Ross Boy
Guy we drafted who scored on us, never for us - Leon - Secondary Scoring
The big brown guy Hitchcock loved - Nuge - Kass
The Chia Killer - Twice Oiler Brodz - Prospect 198 that didn't pan out

Oscargasm's mascot - The guy we traded Taylor Hall for (aka: one for one)
Kia's Brother (aka: Donovan McNabb's Nephew) - Shot blocking analytic nightmare
Guy who cost Connor the Calder (aka: Collarbone assassin) - Jim's Nephew
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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 04:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 23:15

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 19:24

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 20:07

nullterm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 16:58


Tom Gazzola
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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


Tom Gazzola
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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Here's the sad thing. People are freaking out about that lineup, and you make three flips, and it's probably the best lineup they can ice:

Flip Lucic and Cave.
Flip Cave and RNH.
Flip Puljujarvi and Kassian.

That's the best this group can do, IMO.

And flip Sekera and Manning when the time is right.


This^^^^

At the moment, and really Cave/Malone likely interchangeable.

Though recency has taught us that these lines will only last 5 minutes.

*Though about the lines in practice... *showcasing* Lucic??

We’re going to look back at this season in a few years and have a really hard time remember a lot of these players.


You sure? They're all pretty memorable...

Guy MGMT SWOONED over for years - Connor - Preseason Art Ross Boy
Guy we drafted who scored on us, never for us - Leon - Secondary Scoring
The big brown guy Hitchcock loved - Nuge - Kass
The Chia Killer - Twice Oiler Brodz - Prospect 198 that didn't pan out

Oscargasm's mascot - The guy we traded Taylor Hall for (aka: one for one)
Kia's Brother (aka: Donovan McNabb's Nephew) - Shot blocking analytic nightmare
Guy who cost Connor the Calder (aka: Collarbone assassin) - Jim's Nephew
Reggie, our latest Lubo experiment - YEG native who's fav team was the Dallas Stars


Now you won't forget any of them icon_wink


Nice.

Although, I think "The big brown guy Hitchcock loved" might be too vague.

Was thinking of hitch's view of his Lines.

Guy that shows up once a year - McDavid - Guy with excessively long sideburns
Guy who has yet to show up - Draisaitl - guy that was really good for a month over a month ago
Guy that shows up once every 3 weeks - RNH - Guy that shows up once every month
Guy - Brodziak - Guy that's making me look bad
My only hope - Broken back guy
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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 10:51

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 04:02

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 23:15

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 19:24

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 20:07

nullterm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 16:58


Tom Gazzola
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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


Tom Gazzola
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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Here's the sad thing. People are freaking out about that lineup, and you make three flips, and it's probably the best lineup they can ice:

Flip Lucic and Cave.
Flip Cave and RNH.
Flip Puljujarvi and Kassian.

That's the best this group can do, IMO.

And flip Sekera and Manning when the time is right.


This^^^^

At the moment, and really Cave/Malone likely interchangeable.

Though recency has taught us that these lines will only last 5 minutes.

*Though about the lines in practice... *showcasing* Lucic??

We’re going to look back at this season in a few years and have a really hard time remember a lot of these players.


You sure? They're all pretty memorable...

Guy MGMT SWOONED over for years - Connor - Preseason Art Ross Boy
Guy we drafted who scored on us, never for us - Leon - Secondary Scoring
The big brown guy Hitchcock loved - Nuge - Kass
The Chia Killer - Twice Oiler Brodz - Prospect 198 that didn't pan out

Oscargasm's mascot - The guy we traded Taylor Hall for (aka: one for one)
Kia's Brother (aka: Donovan McNabb's Nephew) - Shot blocking analytic nightmare
Guy who cost Connor the Calder (aka: Collarbone assassin) - Jim's Nephew
Reggie, our latest Lubo experiment - YEG native who's fav team was the Dallas Stars


Now you won't forget any of them icon_wink


Nice.

Although, I think "The big brown guy Hitchcock loved" might be too vague.

Was thinking of hitch's view of his Lines.

Guy that shows up once a year - McDavid - Guy with excessively long sideburns
Guy who has yet to show up - Draisaitl - guy that was really good for a month over a month ago
Guy that shows up once every 3 weeks - RNH - Guy that shows up once every month
Guy - Brodziak - Guy that's making me look bad
My only hope - Broken back guy
God among men - demigod among men
ugh - brainfarter
handsom fella - mediocre cycle stopper



Okay okay, Jujhar Hockey. Better??

Sure would be nice to have Cap Space back for that 3C role...

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Man, it's been a long time since this team has played a game...Amazing that as of today, we still haven't lost any ground on the turtle race. Still just 3 points out (but with four teams between us and that final spot).

It does seem exceptionally odd that we'd have our mandated 5-day break attached to the all-star break...

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Adam wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 15:48

Man, it's been a long time since this team has played a game...Amazing that as of today, we still haven't lost any ground on the turtle race. Still just 3 points out (but with four teams between us and that final spot).

It does seem exceptionally odd that we'd have our mandated 5-day break attached to the all-star break...

Every team had their week off attached to the all star break. Smart planning. It was interesting that the only western teams that played this week was Dallas (1 game) and Winnipeg (3). Winnipeg, by the way, got to play 4 games in 6 nights coming out of the all star break.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 16:00

Adam wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 15:48

Man, it's been a long time since this team has played a game...Amazing that as of today, we still haven't lost any ground on the turtle race. Still just 3 points out (but with four teams between us and that final spot).

It does seem exceptionally odd that we'd have our mandated 5-day break attached to the all-star break...

Every team had their week off attached to the all star break. Smart planning. It was interesting that the only western teams that played this week was Dallas (1 game) and Winnipeg (3). Winnipeg, by the way, got to play 4 games in 6 nights coming out of the all star break.


I didn't realize that. That does seem to make sense. Probably better from a player's perspective too...I imagine many of them went to somewhere tropical.

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Okay okay, Jujhar Hockey. Better??

Sure would be nice to have Cap Space back for that 3C role...


Side note, but Jujhar Hockey is by far the best nickname on the Oilers. Most are pretty lame (yeah, I'm calling you out, McJesus), but Jujhar Hockey is actually funny, and throws a little shade at Calgary and their co-opting Johnny Football.


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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 17:51

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 February 2019 10:14



Okay okay, Jujhar Hockey. Better??

Sure would be nice to have Cap Space back for that 3C role...


Side note, but Jujhar Hockey is by far the best nickname on the Oilers. Most are pretty lame (yeah, I'm calling you out, McJesus), but Jujhar Hockey is actually funny, and throws a little shade at Calgary and their co-opting Johnny Football.



It is a solid one, totally agree.

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.


Brandon Manning to the minors in an inevitable move and it’ll get the team 85% of the way there. Then demote Brodziak and bring up a cheaper farmhand. You only need a couple hundred grand in savings so it can be almost anyone. Massive repudiation of the last several months of Peter Chiarelli’s leadership but that can’t stop the team.

Otherwise, they’re trading Benning, Petrovic or Kassian for a draft pick. Those are the only ones I see who make enough and who have a bit of a market for them who can be dealt without blowing a massive hole in the roster. Challenge now is that it’s a position of weakness they’re dealing from. They won’t get a lot back...

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nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:15

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.


Brandon Manning to the minors in an inevitable move and it’ll get the team 85% of the way there. Then demote Brodziak and bring up a cheaper farmhand. You only need a couple hundred grand in savings so it can be almost anyone. Massive repudiation of the last several months of Peter Chiarelli’s leadership but that can’t stop the team.

Otherwise, they’re trading Benning, Petrovic or Kassian for a draft pick. Those are the only ones I see who make enough and who have a bit of a market for them who can be dealt without blowing a massive hole in the roster. Challenge now is that it’s a position of weakness they’re dealing from. They won’t get a lot back...





If anyone claims the player then the Oilers still get half their cap hit right? Can't wait to see how vindictive GMs can be when the Oilers are vulnerable.

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Why are the Oilers making this move today? The Condors next game is Friday. Things can happen between now and Friday. The Oilers play twice before Friday.

I see the demotion of Brodziak and Manning as the likely scenario. Maybe trade Talbot and bring up Starrett?


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nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:15

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.


Brandon Manning to the minors in an inevitable move and it’ll get the team 85% of the way there. Then demote Brodziak and bring up a cheaper farmhand. You only need a couple hundred grand in savings so it can be almost anyone. Massive repudiation of the last several months of Peter Chiarelli’s leadership but that can’t stop the team.

Otherwise, they’re trading Benning, Petrovic or Kassian for a draft pick. Those are the only ones I see who make enough and who have a bit of a market for them who can be dealt without blowing a massive hole in the roster. Challenge now is that it’s a position of weakness they’re dealing from. They won’t get a lot back...





How much do you remove by sending Toby down? Or trade him for a 4th. IMO that guy would not be missed.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:53

Adam wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 15:35

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:15

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.


Brandon Manning to the minors in an inevitable move and it’ll get the team 85% of the way there. Then demote Brodziak and bring up a cheaper farmhand. You only need a couple hundred grand in savings so it can be almost anyone. Massive repudiation of the last several months of Peter Chiarelli’s leadership but that can’t stop the team.

Otherwise, they’re trading Benning, Petrovic or Kassian for a draft pick. Those are the only ones I see who make enough and who have a bit of a market for them who can be dealt without blowing a massive hole in the roster. Challenge now is that it’s a position of weakness they’re dealing from. They won’t get a lot back...





How much do you remove by sending Toby down? Or trade him for a 4th. IMO that guy would not be missed.



I guess there probably are enough overinflated contracts that you could send down to the AHL to save some cap hit (and then reasonably replace with someone from the AHL).

Two of Manning, Rieder, Petrovic, Brodziak get you there it would seem. Certainly you could replace Manning and Petrovic with Bear or Jones. Marody, Benson, Gambardella, or Russell could likely replace Rieder or Brodziak.

Honestly, if they even send Puljujarvi down (and they should) and call up Gambardella for the fourth line, that's a savings of $200,000.

None of this is ideal, but I sure hope the Oilers don't pull a panic move. They can get through this and then once they make same deals at the deadline and clear some in the summer, they can reset.

But what a mess this organization is.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 21:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:53

Adam wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 15:35

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:15

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.


Brandon Manning to the minors in an inevitable move and it’ll get the team 85% of the way there. Then demote Brodziak and bring up a cheaper farmhand. You only need a couple hundred grand in savings so it can be almost anyone. Massive repudiation of the last several months of Peter Chiarelli’s leadership but that can’t stop the team.

Otherwise, they’re trading Benning, Petrovic or Kassian for a draft pick. Those are the only ones I see who make enough and who have a bit of a market for them who can be dealt without blowing a massive hole in the roster. Challenge now is that it’s a position of weakness they’re dealing from. They won’t get a lot back...





How much do you remove by sending Toby down? Or trade him for a 4th. IMO that guy would not be missed.



I guess there probably are enough overinflated contracts that you could send down to the AHL to save some cap hit (and then reasonably replace with someone from the AHL).

Two of Manning, Rieder, Petrovic, Brodziak get you there it would seem. Certainly you could replace Manning and Petrovic with Bear or Jones. Marody, Benson, Gambardella, or Russell could likely replace Rieder or Brodziak.

Honestly, if they even send Puljujarvi down (and they should) and call up Gambardella for the fourth line, that's a savings of $200,000.

None of this is ideal, but I sure hope the Oilers don't pull a panic move. They can get through this and then once they make same deals at the deadline and clear some in the summer, they can reset.

But what a mess this organization is.


pretty hilarious that if we just put gryba in the minors (like jersey did anyways) and didn't buy him out, all we would need to do is demote Manning to make the room for sek. And of course, we probably wouldn't have needed to get Manning in the first place if we had Gryba available to call up while we were desperate for a "cycle stopper".

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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 21:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:53

Adam wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 15:35

nullterm wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 16:15

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.


Brandon Manning to the minors in an inevitable move and it’ll get the team 85% of the way there. Then demote Brodziak and bring up a cheaper farmhand. You only need a couple hundred grand in savings so it can be almost anyone. Massive repudiation of the last several months of Peter Chiarelli’s leadership but that can’t stop the team.

Otherwise, they’re trading Benning, Petrovic or Kassian for a draft pick. Those are the only ones I see who make enough and who have a bit of a market for them who can be dealt without blowing a massive hole in the roster. Challenge now is that it’s a position of weakness they’re dealing from. They won’t get a lot back...





How much do you remove by sending Toby down? Or trade him for a 4th. IMO that guy would not be missed.



I guess there probably are enough overinflated contracts that you could send down to the AHL to save some cap hit (and then reasonably replace with someone from the AHL).

Two of Manning, Rieder, Petrovic, Brodziak get you there it would seem. Certainly you could replace Manning and Petrovic with Bear or Jones. Marody, Benson, Gambardella, or Russell could likely replace Rieder or Brodziak.

Honestly, if they even send Puljujarvi down (and they should) and call up Gambardella for the fourth line, that's a savings of $200,000.

None of this is ideal, but I sure hope the Oilers don't pull a panic move. They can get through this and then once they make same deals at the deadline and clear some in the summer, they can reset.

But what a mess this organization is.

Edit: league minimum is 650K not 550K like I thought, so it's 1.025MM not 925K for buried contracts.... that changes things:

Manning --> Lowe (350K)
Gravel --> picks/Sekera (700K)
Brodziak --> Gabardella (300K)

puts us under.


I believe one-way deals shave league minimum + 375K off the cap, so swapping two of Manning, Rieder, Petrovic, Brodziak can, at most, get you 750K in savings as I believe they are all on one-way deals (and assuming they are replaced with dudes on league minimum deals-- 550k). Manning for Lowe gets you the most savings at 250k. Dealing Gravel for picks gets you another 700K (950K total) with Sekera taking up the roster spot. Still 280k short. Can't move (demote or for picks) any of [Cave, Kharia, Chiasson] and call someone up as all the call-ups make more than them. With a max of 925K savings we need to call up no more than 645K in salary to fit under the cap (280k in space needed). With Lowe up, the next cheapest call-up is Curry at 687.5K, so two contracts would need to go down (and up), or one down with none up. Petrovic for Bear gets you another 205K, leaving 75K. So one of Puljujarvi or Brodziak for anyone making 850K or less (Benson / Gabardella are the best options) or Rattie for Gabardella (or anyone making 725k or less). Another route is Puljujarvi + Rattie instead of Petrovic + a FW. The call up would likely be Benson + Gabardella, then.

Manning --> Lowe (250K)
Gravel --> picks/Sekera (700K)
Petrovic --> Bear (205K)
Rattie --> Gabardella (75k)

Not sure if that makes the team worse or better, but it's a lot of movement and BARELY makes us cap compliant. Other option is to move a larger contract for picks, which most likely means Benning.

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#Oilers have assigned Andrej Sekera to the minors on an LTI Conditioning loan.

The purpose of such a loan is to determine if a player returning from long term injury is fit to play. The loan may not exceed 6 days & 3 games, but can be extended an additional 2 games if required.

...

#Oilers remain $1,230,834 in full cap hit value above the ceiling, & are required to shed that amount from their salary cap prior to being able to activate Sekera off LTIR

EDM placed Sekera on off season LTIR for the purpose of exceeding the cap on the last day of training camp.

Chiarelli's ghost says, "Hi! Remember me?"

The team has to cut $1.23 million in cap. Cue up 30 other GMs licking their lips at getting a useful piece for pittance.


Remember when Chia had to lose the Eberle trade because he wanted like 18M of cap space in case of a Drai offer sheet? Wish he was here now to see how badly he would get owned when he is actually up against a wall. Just for entertainment value, not because I want to see this team get kicked in the balls more.

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 31 January 2019 16:58


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The break is over. Oilers back to work at the community rink while @arkellsmusic takes over the big one. McDavid between Lucic & Rattie. Draisaitl with Rieder & Chiasson.


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Lucic - McDavid - Rattie.
Rieder - Draisaitl - Chiasson.
Khaira - RNH - Kassian.
Cave - Brodziak - Puljujarvi.
Klefbom - Larsson.
Nurse - Russell.
Manning - Benning.
Sekera - Petrovic.


Practicing now on the 4th pair, Klefbom also back.


Here's the sad thing. People are freaking out about that lineup, and you make three flips, and it's probably the best lineup they can ice:

Flip Lucic and Cave.
Flip Cave and RNH.
Flip Puljujarvi and Kassian.

That's the best this group can do, IMO.

And flip Sekera and Manning when the time is right.


I agree with you. I am not jumping for joy about the lines either and I this isn't me sticking up for the management because thanks to their stupidity, they put the Oilers in this mess but when I look at the roster, what else is Hitch supposed to do? The previous GM screwed up the wings.

I don't want Yamo, Benson or Marody, 3 guys on the farm who I think have a shot at being some kind of decent NHLers in the near future, 3 guys who skill wise might be better than a few guys in the NHL but I don't want them here. They need to play and play A LOT. They need to be in the minors and have the crap played out of them. So maybe next year, at least one can actually be in the NHL and do something because they are ready.

Next, I look at what the Oilers were doing before. They loaded up the McDavid line. His line would get you 2 goals a night which is really good. Then they had Nuge and who ever. Maybe the odd time Nuge's line would score you a goal but overall, if his line didn't get crushed, then you come away happy. Then the 3rd and 4th lines got destroyed most nights. So guess what, they lost.

Moving forward, they have to play more defensive hockey. They need their PP to get them some goals and they have a nuclear weapon in McDavid. They need to grind it out and keep the puck in the other zone rather than play up and down hockey. They don't have enough wingers to do that. Lucic has been a lot better in 2019. Other than McDavid and Leon, he might have the most goals by an Oiler in 2019. The contract is a failure, he shouldn't be on the team but he's here. If anyone can bounce some pucks off Lucic's leg or physically hit Lucic in the stick and it deflects in, it's McDavid. Regardless, Lucic is good in the corners and down low and maybe they can get some zone time. Plus I also think that right now center wise thanks to the stupid Strome trade, they don't have a 3rd line center unless Nuge is there. I think Cave could be a 4th line center and maybe is a replacement for Brodziak if he were to be moved but I don't think you can elevate him to a 3rd line role and Brodziak at his age and with his lack of speed can't be elevated to a 3rd line center full time. So you can't keep having your 3rd line getting crushed every night because your center sucks.

So I see it as I don't see another option. I don't expect HUGE goal production but they need at least 3 lines who every night are not getting destroyed defensively.

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Chiarelli just crapped the sheets before he left, one big pile of steaming #### cap hell. The last few guys really did it. Two trades for two untradeables with term (Cagguila for Manning, Strome for Spooner), and then a waiver pick up thats untradeable, with term, in Cave. Those 3 useless moves alone will cause a lot of pain to undo. The worst thing is K. Gretzky and company (pro-scouts, upper management) were in on it, and they are still here.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 04 February 2019 17:59

Chiarelli just crapped the sheets before he left, one big pile of steaming #### cap hell. The last few guys really did it. Two trades for two untradeables with term (Cagguila for Manning, Strome for Spooner), and then a waiver pick up thats untradeable, with term, in Cave. Those 3 useless moves alone will cause a lot of pain to undo. The worst thing is K. Gretzky and company (pro-scouts, upper management) were in on it, and they are still here.

Eh, Cave doesn’t really hurt. I mean he’s a pretty empty cave of talent but he’s not breaking the bank and they can rather easily waive him. Besides, Cave is literally the Chia killer. He was Chiarelli’s last signing in Boston and he was his last acquisition in Edmonton. We should all thank the Cave man. Albeit, as you said, the rest of the SS is still here to run the show in Chia’s absense.

Manning and Spooner are the (recent) ones that hurt, cannot argue that. But you can look up and down this lineup and find it hard to see anyone that ‘helps’ the team with their cap hit aside from Chiasson really and the obvious McDavid because no matter what he’s paid he’s still underpaid.

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Well it happened. Sekera is going to do his conditioning stint.

I had hoped that Sekera would spend the whole season on the LTIR. Not because I dislike the player, I just don’t see how he can possibly be any good this season. He got hurt in the playoffs with a MAJOR knee injury. He missed all of the offseason, camp, preseason and over half of last season. He gets most of this offseason then gets hurt again with a MAJOR injury. Missed the last and probably most critical month of the offseason, all of camp, all of the preseason and will have missed 3/4 of the season. I just don’t see how 2 weeks in the minors can make up for all that missed time. He could spend a month in the minors and I don’t think it would be enough to catch up.

If the Oilers are lucky, he will be a mediocre 3rd pairing dman but I have my doubts.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:34

Well it happened. Sekera is going to do his conditioning stint.

I had hoped that Sekera would spend the whole season on the LTIR. Not because I dislike the player, I just don’t see how he can possibly be any good this season. He got hurt in the playoffs with a MAJOR knee injury. He missed all of the offseason, camp, preseason and over half of last season. He gets most of this offseason then gets hurt again with a MAJOR injury. Missed the last and probably most critical month of the offseason, all of camp, all of the preseason and will have missed 3/4 of the season. I just don’t see how 2 weeks in the minors can make up for all that missed time. He could spend a month in the minors and I don’t think it would be enough to catch up.

If the Oilers are lucky, he will be a mediocre 3rd pairing dman but I have my doubts.

Getting Sekera up to game speed could actually cost this team some GA in my opinion.

This feels nothing like an add to the roster. More like a burden....in more ways than one.

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g2k wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:37

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:34

Well it happened. Sekera is going to do his conditioning stint.

I had hoped that Sekera would spend the whole season on the LTIR. Not because I dislike the player, I just don’t see how he can possibly be any good this season. He got hurt in the playoffs with a MAJOR knee injury. He missed all of the offseason, camp, preseason and over half of last season. He gets most of this offseason then gets hurt again with a MAJOR injury. Missed the last and probably most critical month of the offseason, all of camp, all of the preseason and will have missed 3/4 of the season. I just don’t see how 2 weeks in the minors can make up for all that missed time. He could spend a month in the minors and I don’t think it would be enough to catch up.

If the Oilers are lucky, he will be a mediocre 3rd pairing dman but I have my doubts.

Getting Sekera up to game speed could actually cost this team some GA in my opinion.

This feels nothing like an add to the roster. More like a burden....in more ways than one.


Is that actually a problem. Aren't we tanking yet? :)

Sek is gonna be sticking around for a while still. If we're already looking to next season, I guess there is a benefit to getting back into game shape with some real action to prepare for it. Repeat of last year, only, hopefully he doesn't find another way to destroy himself in the summer.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:40

g2k wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:37

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:34

Well it happened. Sekera is going to do his conditioning stint.

I had hoped that Sekera would spend the whole season on the LTIR. Not because I dislike the player, I just don’t see how he can possibly be any good this season. He got hurt in the playoffs with a MAJOR knee injury. He missed all of the offseason, camp, preseason and over half of last season. He gets most of this offseason then gets hurt again with a MAJOR injury. Missed the last and probably most critical month of the offseason, all of camp, all of the preseason and will have missed 3/4 of the season. I just don’t see how 2 weeks in the minors can make up for all that missed time. He could spend a month in the minors and I don’t think it would be enough to catch up.

If the Oilers are lucky, he will be a mediocre 3rd pairing dman but I have my doubts.

Getting Sekera up to game speed could actually cost this team some GA in my opinion.

This feels nothing like an add to the roster. More like a burden....in more ways than one.


Is that actually a problem. Aren't we tanking yet? :)

Sek is gonna be sticking around for a while still. If we're already looking to next season, I guess there is a benefit to getting back into game shape with some real action to prepare for it. Repeat of last year, only, hopefully he doesn't find another way to destroy himself in the summer.


We can only hope Kr55... we can only.... hope.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:34

Well it happened. Sekera is going to do his conditioning stint.

I had hoped that Sekera would spend the whole season on the LTIR. Not because I dislike the player, I just don’t see how he can possibly be any good this season. He got hurt in the playoffs with a MAJOR knee injury. He missed all of the offseason, camp, preseason and over half of last season. He gets most of this offseason then gets hurt again with a MAJOR injury. Missed the last and probably most critical month of the offseason, all of camp, all of the preseason and will have missed 3/4 of the season. I just don’t see how 2 weeks in the minors can make up for all that missed time. He could spend a month in the minors and I don’t think it would be enough to catch up.

If the Oilers are lucky, he will be a mediocre 3rd pairing dman but I have my doubts.


You aren't wrong to voice concern. if the latter happens and he becomes a mediocre 3rd pairing D on a team full of them, we will have 2 more years of him, barring the fact he doesn't get injured again.

I don't know what to make of Sekera coming back, my hope is that he knocks our socks off with some decent defensive work, but reality and history of athlete's coming back from serious injury isn't too kind to them and they hang it up soon after.

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Rocksteady wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:39

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 05 February 2019 08:34

Well it happened. Sekera is going to do his conditioning stint.

I had hoped that Sekera would spend the whole season on the LTIR. Not because I dislike the player, I just don’t see how he can possibly be any good this season. He got hurt in the playoffs with a MAJOR knee injury. He missed all of the offseason, camp, preseason and over half of last season. He gets most of this offseason then gets hurt again with a MAJOR injury. Missed the last and probably most critical month of the offseason, all of camp, all of the preseason and will have missed 3/4 of the season. I just don’t see how 2 weeks in the minors can make up for all that missed time. He could spend a month in the minors and I don’t think it would be enough to catch up.

If the Oilers are lucky, he will be a mediocre 3rd pairing dman but I have my doubts.


You aren't wrong to voice concern. if the latter happens and he becomes a mediocre 3rd pairing D on a team full of them, we will have 2 more years of him, barring the fact he doesn't get injured again.

I don't know what to make of Sekera coming back, my hope is that he knocks our socks off with some decent defensive work, but reality and history of athlete's coming back from serious injury isn't too kind to them and they hang it up soon after.

Sekera was a real good dman when he was healthy. I think he was easily a real good #3 dman on a lot of teams but he hasn't been healthy for 2 years. Last year after coming back from a major knee injury, he wasn't even a passable 3rd pairing guy. If Sekera was elite like a Karlsson so even when he is at 75%, that's better than most dmen in the league then I wouldn't be worried but he's not elite. When he finishes his conditioning stint, the Oilers will have to make moves to clear some cap space and they could easily be forced to do that just to make room for a guy who there is a good chance won't even be able to give you mediocre 3rd pairing minutes just because he's missed so much time AGAIN. I know they put themselves into this position but man that is a tough pill to swallow.

It's too bad you aren't allowed to keep a guy on a conditioning stint longer than 2 weeks.

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