Clean house or bust

[Updated on: Thu, 24 January 2019 13:50]

Clean house or bust

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 15:03

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 13:47 I normally love his insight but I am quite disappointed with Friedman's take on the OBC in his 31 thoughts blog. Quote: I’m not buying the “old Oilers are interfering” narrative. Oh, they’ve got opinions, but how much did they really stand in the way of anything Edmonton did or didn’t do the past four seasons? I’m not convinced it happened often, if at all. And it will be important for the organization to line up in support of Nicholson during this search, rather than splintering into separate fiefdoms. I listened to the podcast today as well. He says he thinks that they just give their opinions and don't interfere, and the decisions aren't up to the old guard. He says where is the evidence that they do have decision power? My problems with that: 1) The clear cut evidence is this: MacTavish is currently Senior VP of Hockey Ops, Lowe's son is the captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey was decided to be the best hire as skills coach, and Scott Howson has rejoined the team an a player development role under Chiarelli. If it isn't interfering, the influence is still strong. Who knows what else they have had influence on, even if they don't have decision power. 2) The main problem is NOT if they have decision power or not. It's that they are in the conversations at all. Quite frankly, the group of men responsible for the 2006-2015 Oilers pre-Chiarelli should not have any say at all, and just shouldn't be employed. This is not that difficult to understand, and I think media often has a short term memory as if things get reset when a new GM takes over. No. Their failures when they were in direct control are not erased. Just heard young Willis insist that the OBC influence is overblown as well. I'm sure we'll be hearing lots of that from the mainstream guys as well. They're all still here, but you're just paranoid if you think they have any influence, get over it you overreacting fans!

Lowe is VERY important to the Oilers Entertainment Group. He’s been an integral part in acquiring and developing the real estate around Rogers. His Realty expertise is next to none, I mean look at his website!! https://www.agentklowe.com

MacT’s experience on the ice, behind the bench, and in THE chair makes him irreplaceable. He plays a dynamic role in assisting Bill Scott, giving him pointers on how to manage the cap using his EMBA. His EMBA also comes in handy in assisting Kevin Lowe in the real estate side of the OEG. With his past, he is able to provide advice throughout all levels of hockey ops and he is VERY good at only providing his opinions when asked, as he has a lot on his plate managing the Merch side of OEG.

Howson plays a role in assisting Craig as well as being the pigeon carrier between Woodcroft and Chiare... Keith. He’s the closest of the OBC to hockey ops, however as he wasn’t an Oiler player Bob deems it acceptable.

Wayne provides wine, as well as a voice on Katz shoulder. FYI, Wayne has kept Katz calm through the years. Without Wayne, and Katz own ‘prescriptions’, Katz would have snapped and fired everyone years ago.

As for Keegan, he grew up with a father who has an impressively large collection of rings and has witnessed first hand many a banner raisings, including the Lowe 4 banner hanging in his family homes foyer. From a young age, he learned a thing about winning, if that was ever a concern.

... okay back to reality.

It won’t be a quick fix. It doesn’t matter who they bring in. Chiarelli hindered us for next season with what is left on the cap. Buyouts won’t help much. It’s at the point where if you can’t move Spooner and Manning for a 7th... you have to just hold them and ride out their contracts. It sucks... but next season were in for much of the same as this year. Sigh. Big *bleeping* sigh.

Best of luck to Keith. I need a break from this team, I’ve sworn off watching them for the remainder of the month.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 14:34

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 15:03 smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 13:47 I normally love his insight but I am quite disappointed with Friedman's take on the OBC in his 31 thoughts blog. Quote: I’m not buying the “old Oilers are interfering” narrative. Oh, they’ve got opinions, but how much did they really stand in the way of anything Edmonton did or didn’t do the past four seasons? I’m not convinced it happened often, if at all. And it will be important for the organization to line up in support of Nicholson during this search, rather than splintering into separate fiefdoms. I listened to the podcast today as well. He says he thinks that they just give their opinions and don't interfere, and the decisions aren't up to the old guard. He says where is the evidence that they do have decision power? My problems with that: 1) The clear cut evidence is this: MacTavish is currently Senior VP of Hockey Ops, Lowe's son is the captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey was decided to be the best hire as skills coach, and Scott Howson has rejoined the team an a player development role under Chiarelli. If it isn't interfering, the influence is still strong. Who knows what else they have had influence on, even if they don't have decision power. 2) The main problem is NOT if they have decision power or not. It's that they are in the conversations at all. Quite frankly, the group of men responsible for the 2006-2015 Oilers pre-Chiarelli should not have any say at all, and just shouldn't be employed. This is not that difficult to understand, and I think media often has a short term memory as if things get reset when a new GM takes over. No. Their failures when they were in direct control are not erased. Just heard young Willis insist that the OBC influence is overblown as well. I'm sure we'll be hearing lots of that from the mainstream guys as well. They're all still here, but you're just paranoid if you think they have any influence, get over it you overreacting fans! Lowe is VERY important to the Oilers Entertainment Group. He’s been an integral part in acquiring and developing the real estate around Rogers. His Realty expertise is next to none, I mean look at his website!! https://www.agentklowe.com MacT’s experience on the ice, behind the bench, and in THE chair makes him irreplaceable. He plays a dynamic role in assisting Bill Scott, giving him pointers on how to manage the cap using his EMBA. His EMBA also comes in handy in assisting Kevin Lowe in the real estate side of the OEG. With his past, he is able to provide advice throughout all levels of hockey ops and he is VERY good at only providing his opinions when asked, as he has a lot on his plate managing the Merch side of OEG. Howson plays a role in assisting Craig as well as being the pigeon carrier between Woodcroft and Chiare... Keith. He’s the closest of the OBC to hockey ops, however as he wasn’t an Oiler player Bob deems it acceptable. Wayne provides wine, as well as a voice on Katz shoulder. FYI, Wayne has kept Katz calm through the years. Without Wayne, and Katz own ‘prescriptions’, Katz would have snapped and fired everyone years ago. As for Keegan, he grew up with a father who has an impressively large collection of rings and has witnessed first hand many a banner raisings, including the Lowe 4 banner hanging in his family homes foyer. From a young age, he learned a thing about winning, if that was ever a concern. ... okay back to reality. It won’t be a quick fix. It doesn’t matter who they bring in. Chiarelli hindered us for next season with what is left on the cap. Buyouts won’t help much. It’s at the point where if you can’t move Spooner and Manning for a 7th... you have to just hold them and ride out their contracts. It sucks... but next season were in for much of the same as this year. Sigh. Big *bleeping* sigh. Best of luck to Keith. I need a break from this team, I’ve sworn off watching them for the remainder of the month.

This is really the question. If all of these former players are totally uninvolved in hockey ops, why are they employed? I don’t see the skill sets beyond hockey ops. Well actually I don’t even see that skill set.

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"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 11 February 2019 14:01

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 11:48 Many articles are coming out blasting the Oilers for more than just Chiarelli. Let's collect them here. 1) 'We're getting taken advantage of': Oilers season ticket holders fed up as team flounders https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-oilers-seas on-ticket-holders-1.4990685 Quote: It's time to stop disappointing Oilers fans, Allan said. "Promising and not following through — we've just had enough of it," he said. "We've been hearing this for 12 years. We sell the building out every night. We buy the merchandise. We're loud fans and we're passionate. And that's getting taken advantage of." 2) Connor McDavid deserves so much better https://www.cbc.ca/sports/the-buzzer/the-buzzer-oilers-chiar elli-mcdavid-1.4990191 Quote: Firing Chiarelli won't magically solve the Oilers' problems. With the exception of their improbable, post-lockout run to the Stanley Cup final in 2006, the Oilers have won one playoff series in this century. That's despite having the No. 1 overall draft pick four times since 2010. Billionaire Daryl Katz bought the team in the summer of '08 and is already moving onto his fourth GM. Until that guy is found, some of the job will be handled by assistant GM Keith Gretzky (you know his brother). That's a sad reminder of Edmonton's long-gone glory days. 3) Rot in the Edmonton Oilers structure goes much deeper than the GM https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oiler s/rot-in-the-edmonton-oilers-structure-goes-much-deeper-than -the-gm/wcm/3117d6df-1d7d-44b1-8b5d-d8c75079a58f Quote: After eight coaches and four general managers in the last 10 years, it’s obvious to everyone that the problems in this franchise runs much deeper than coach and GM. The rot in this structure is down to the foundation. Can firing one person for the 10th time in 10 years really fix the problem? At what point are they just painting over rust? 4) Friedman 31 Thoughts https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-whats-next-o ilers-chiarelli-firing/ Quote: For Edmonton, this is more than just a GM search. This is an audit, an investigation into every pore of the Oiler way... Nicholson made one immediate change in philosophy: more AHL time is coming for younger players. But why stop at that? The timing allows him the opportunity to talk to a wide swath of people. Information is powerful currency. Interview lots. Ask about best practices. Find what else is out there. There is plenty to discover. Hopefully more to come. https://www.tsn.ca/the-oilers-are-squandering-mcdavid-s-exce llence-1.1255904

ugh



Like we need Yost to tell us what we already know :)

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

Clean house or bust

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Wed, 13 February 2019 14:08]

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Restored: "We're sucking hind banana here." - Pat Quinn, Jan 18, 2010

"...the Oilers have been rebuilding for so long that it’s hard not to be cynical." - NBC's Ryan Dadoun Jan 2, 2015

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireBobbyNicks

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OG's #MUSTWIN Scale
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Category 2 - Moderately Musty
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Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Tue, 19 February 2019 18:50]

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 19 February 2019 16:05

Goose wrote on Tue, 19 February 2019 16:23 Pretty solid interview here by CBC's Mark Connolly with Bobby Nicks. https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/edmonton-am/segment/15671238 Some highlights: - Nicholson went back to the idea that the expectations after the playoff run were just too high. Man, that's such a dumb excuse. - Said Koskinen has played well the past few games. News to me. -Nicholson said that Chia decided to use analytics, "some, but not as much". That makes sense, you don't build a tough, hard to play against team that can't score or defend using spreadsheets. - Connolly called him out on the Chia hire and basically forced him to say it was a mistake and that their hiring process was garbage. - Connolly asked him about empty seats and if that was a concern, and if his job was on the line. I feel like we won't hear Nicholson doing a ton of interviews going forward here. A couple of other points that concerned me: 1. When listing the good players the Oilers have he mentioned McDavid, Drai, and "a couple of defencemen." Poor Nuge just gets no love. REALLY hope management doesn't see him as expendable. 2. Said the grand total number of people interviewed for the GM position since Sather left was one. ONE!!!

1- Oh dear. Cap space here we come.......

2- Tambellini? So they didn’t interview Lowe, MacT, or Chia? Holy cow.

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Category 3 - Considerably Musty
Category 4 - Severely Musty
Category 5 - Incredibly Musty

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 19 February 2019 14:30

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 19 February 2019 16:05 Goose wrote on Tue, 19 February 2019 16:23 Pretty solid interview here by CBC's Mark Connolly with Bobby Nicks. https://www.cbc.ca/listen/shows/edmonton-am/segment/15671238 Some highlights: - Nicholson went back to the idea that the expectations after the playoff run were just too high. Man, that's such a dumb excuse. - Said Koskinen has played well the past few games. News to me. -Nicholson said that Chia decided to use analytics, "some, but not as much". That makes sense, you don't build a tough, hard to play against team that can't score or defend using spreadsheets. - Connolly called him out on the Chia hire and basically forced him to say it was a mistake and that their hiring process was garbage. - Connolly asked him about empty seats and if that was a concern, and if his job was on the line. I feel like we won't hear Nicholson doing a ton of interviews going forward here. A couple of other points that concerned me: 1. When listing the good players the Oilers have he mentioned McDavid, Drai, and "a couple of defencemen." Poor Nuge just gets no love. REALLY hope management doesn't see him as expendable. 2. Said the grand total number of people interviewed for the GM position since Sather left was one. ONE!!! 1- Oh dear. Cap space here we come....... 2- Tambellini? So they didn’t interview Lowe, MacT, or Chia? Holy cow.

1 - I'm scared. : (

2 - Does it really matter if they interview people if the people running the process have no idea what to look for (and what to avoid)?

Illegitimi non carborundum.