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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728682 is a reply to message #728667 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 09:40

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:23

Not to be lost in all of this;

We all complained about the MacT blender, but this Hitch blender has been next level. I get that he feels he needs to find SOMETHING that works with this sorry group of forwards but holy crap. That has to be super frustrating for the players. How do you trust what you’re being told when the second you make a mistake or get scored on your line assignments change. How do you build confidence? How do you build chemistry? Not to mention our PP units, which weren’t any better under Todd.

Was great for 10 games. Nice to have a fresh voice, especially one that’s so eloquent and intelligent sounding. After the season is over though, I hope they part ways.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728685 is a reply to message #728682 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 09:44

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philly boy wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:40

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:23

Not to be lost in all of this;

We all complained about the MacT blender, but this Hitch blender has been next level. I get that he feels he needs to find SOMETHING that works with this sorry group of forwards but holy crap. That has to be super frustrating for the players. How do you trust what you’re being told when the second you make a mistake or get scored on your line assignments change. How do you build confidence? How do you build chemistry? Not to mention our PP units, which weren’t any better under Todd.

Was great for 10 games. Nice to have a fresh voice, especially one that’s so eloquent and intelligent sounding. After the season is over though, I hope they part ways.

Indeed, the 10 game stretch that the team seemed to find a gear was good. But they’ve reverted hard since.

Unless it remains KG, whoever the new guy is will being in a new staff prior to the draft.

Gotta feel a bit for Yawney, Manny and GG. Brought into this burning barrel.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728694 is a reply to message #728667 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:01

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but this Hitch blender has been next level

Maybe the Hitch blender was designed to screw things up badly enough to give them the excuse they were looking for to get rid of Chia. I agree there has to be some consistency and chemistry built between players and you can't do that if you're switching them around all the time. From bad to worse.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728673 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 09:29

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Another thing.. what did those draft picks we lost for Chiarelli, and McClellan's hire turn into... need to add that as part of the ledger for his time here.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 09:29

Another thing.. what did those draft picks we lost for Chiarelli, and McClellan's hire turn into... need to add that as part of the ledger for his time here.

Losing those draft picks is all on the OBC's heads. They all need to go if we're going to be certain that the disease is purged from the organization.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728679 is a reply to message #728673 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 09:35

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:29

Another thing.. what did those draft picks we lost for Chiarelli, and McClellan's hire turn into... need to add that as part of the ledger for his time here.

Holy poop... how’d I forget this? 2017 2nd for Pete and was it a 2016 3rd for Todd??

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728678 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 09:34

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It’s behind a paywall, which I’m not a patron of, but it appears Pierre LeBrun has taken a look at some possibilities of who can replace Chiarelli and the photo is of Kelly McCrimmon, Brandon Wheat Kings Owner and Governor

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728695 is a reply to message #728678 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:02

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 08:34

It’s behind a paywall, which I’m not a patron of, but it appears Pierre LeBrun has taken a look at some possibilities of who can replace Chiarelli and the photo is of Kelly McCrimmon, Brandon Wheat Kings Owner and Governor

I'll share the list.

Kelly McCrimmon - The assistant GM of the Vegas Golden Knights
Mark Hunter - The former Maple Leafs assistant GM
Doug Armstrong - Currently the GM in St. Louis
Ken Holland- Currently the GM in Detroit
Bill Zito - The Blue Jackets assistant GM and former agent
Pat Verbeek - Part of Tampa Bay management
Ron Hextall - Former Flyers GM
Scott Mellanby - The Habs assistant GM
Mike Futa - The Kings assistant GM
Bill Guerin - Assistant GM for Penguins.....nooooo
Laurence Gilman - The former Canucks assistant GM and current Maple Leafs assistant GM
Norm MacIver - The longtime Blackhawks assistant GM and former Oiler!
Sean Burke - Canada’s Olympic GM from last year was a longtime assistant GM in Arizona.

I just hope that they do an extensive search to get the right guy.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728696 is a reply to message #728695 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:06

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Rishaug gets the first question at the presser. Interesting, wouldn't you say? I don't believe TSN is a rights holder. If I'm CHED or SNET, I'm pissed.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728697 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:08

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It's all on the players Nicholson says. They have played good games, therefore they must be able to play that way every night.

This guy doesn't get the NHL. He is obviously going by a tournament mindset.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728701 is a reply to message #728697 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:18

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:08

It's all on the players Nicholson says. They have played good games, therefore they must be able to play that way every night.

This guy doesn't get the NHL. He is obviously going by a tournament mindset.

My level of hatred for Bobby Nick is reaching K-Lowe levels.

I'm at work in a meeting, so any kind of updates would be great.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728702 is a reply to message #728697 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:18

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I am hoping for Mark Hunter!

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728704 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:20

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Nicholson conference summary:

- No deadline to find a new GM...no rush. Uh oh.
- Nicholson oversees hockey ops, Gretzky oversees GM duties.
- Believes they can make the playoffs, won't give away future unless it's a good fit.
- It was decided before the game to fire Chiarelli. Officially fired in 2nd period? Didn't catch that.
- Says Chia did not make the Koskinen deal by himself.
- Onus is on the players to get consistent and play like they can to make the playoffs.
- Too early to say if more changes in hockey ops are coming.
- Praises Keith Gretzky's work in the draft.
- When asked about problems running deeper than GM and coach, he says constant change wasn't good.
- When asked about OBC involvement, says it's not true at all. Says Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops decisions.
- Says he thinks we bring up young players too early.
- Says we aren't in a rebuild. Solution is in the dressing room.
- Reaffirms that Hitchcock is just head coach for rest of year.

I'm so insulted that he flat out says the OBC is not involved. Meanwhile Keegan Lowe is captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey got hired as skills coach, and MacTavish is literally listed in management on their website.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728706 is a reply to message #728704 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:24

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:20

I'm so insulted that he flat out says the OBC is not involved. Meanwhile Keegan Lowe is captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey got hired as skills coach, and MacTavish is literally listed in management on their website.

To be fair, there are dozens of former players who aren't involved, so maybe he meant by percentage. icon_rolleyes

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728711 is a reply to message #728704 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:27

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:20

- Says Chia did not make the Koskinen deal by himself.

Thanks for confirming what we all pretty much knew, Bobby boy. I mean, why the @@$@ else would they have allowed the Koskinen deal to be made right before firing this guy if they weren't looking for a patsy to take yet another hit to cover up their own incompetence?

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728714 is a reply to message #728704 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:33

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:20

Nicholson conference summary:

- No deadline to find a new GM...no rush. Uh oh.
- Nicholson oversees hockey ops, Gretzky oversees GM duties.
- Believes they can make the playoffs, won't give away future unless it's a good fit.
- It was decided before the game to fire Chiarelli. Officially fired in 2nd period? Didn't catch that.
- Says Chia did not make the Koskinen deal by himself.
- Onus is on the players to get consistent and play like they can to make the playoffs.
- Too early to say if more changes in hockey ops are coming.
- Praises Keith Gretzky's work in the draft.
- When asked about problems running deeper than GM and coach, he says constant change wasn't good.
- When asked about OBC involvement, says it's not true at all. Says Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops decisions.
- Says he thinks we bring up young players too early.
- Says we aren't in a rebuild. Solution is in the dressing room.
- Reaffirms that Hitchcock is just head coach for rest of year.

I'm so insulted that he flat out says the OBC is not involved. Meanwhile Keegan Lowe is captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey got hired as skills coach, and MacTavish is literally listed in management on their website.

I love the contradictions from one response to the next. If the OBC isn’t involved, who worked out the Koskinen signing that wasn’t Peter? Who decided that the GM was getting fired? I believe he said “leadership group” but let’s be clear, that isn’t the former Oilers in various management positions.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728778 is a reply to message #728714 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 15:51

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 13:33

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:20

Nicholson conference summary:

- No deadline to find a new GM...no rush. Uh oh.
- Nicholson oversees hockey ops, Gretzky oversees GM duties.
- Believes they can make the playoffs, won't give away future unless it's a good fit.
- It was decided before the game to fire Chiarelli. Officially fired in 2nd period? Didn't catch that.
- Says Chia did not make the Koskinen deal by himself.
- Onus is on the players to get consistent and play like they can to make the playoffs.
- Too early to say if more changes in hockey ops are coming.
- Praises Keith Gretzky's work in the draft.
- When asked about problems running deeper than GM and coach, he says constant change wasn't good.
- When asked about OBC involvement, says it's not true at all. Says Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops decisions.
- Says he thinks we bring up young players too early.
- Says we aren't in a rebuild. Solution is in the dressing room.
- Reaffirms that Hitchcock is just head coach for rest of year.

I'm so insulted that he flat out says the OBC is not involved. Meanwhile Keegan Lowe is captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey got hired as skills coach, and MacTavish is literally listed in management on their website.

I love the contradictions from one response to the next. If the OBC isn’t involved, who worked out the Koskinen signing that wasn’t Peter? Who decided that the GM was getting fired? I believe he said “leadership group” but let’s be clear, that isn’t the former Oilers in various management positions.

From the Oilers management team page on nhl.com:

Quote:

KEVIN LOWEVice Chair, OEG & Alternate Governor

Kevin Lowe, 59, has just completed his fourth season as Vice Chair and Alternate Governor of Oilers Entertainment Group (OEG). Previously, Lowe served as the Oilers President of Hockey Operations for seven seasons and prior to that he spent eight seasons as the Oilers General Manager.

Lowe has been instrumental in the renewed success of the team, both on and off the ice. In his role he continues to work towards and promote the growth and development of Oilers Entertainment Group in its many new business initiatives, as well as continue to work closely with OEG Chief Executive Officer and Vice Chair Bob Nicholson, on the growth of Oilers Entertainment Group.

Nope, nothing at all to do with hockey ops on ice stuff. Maybe only if we're winning?

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728819 is a reply to message #728704 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 23:50

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:20

Nicholson conference summary:

- No deadline to find a new GM...no rush. Uh oh.
- Nicholson oversees hockey ops, Gretzky oversees GM duties.
- Believes they can make the playoffs, won't give away future unless it's a good fit.
- It was decided before the game to fire Chiarelli. Officially fired in 2nd period? Didn't catch that.
- Says Chia did not make the Koskinen deal by himself.
- Onus is on the players to get consistent and play like they can to make the playoffs.
- Too early to say if more changes in hockey ops are coming.
- Praises Keith Gretzky's work in the draft.
- When asked about problems running deeper than GM and coach, he says constant change wasn't good.
- When asked about OBC involvement, says it's not true at all. Says Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops decisions.
- Says he thinks we bring up young players too early.
- Says we aren't in a rebuild. Solution is in the dressing room.
- Reaffirms that Hitchcock is just head coach for rest of year.

I'm so insulted that he flat out says the OBC is not involved. Meanwhile Keegan Lowe is captain of the Condors, Paul Coffey got hired as skills coach, and MacTavish is literally listed in management on their website.

Calm enough to actually post about this now...

- did they seriously fire Chiarelli mid-game? Why? You have all day to do it, why the hell would you wait until the middle of the game? Why can’t this team even fire people properly? They’re always making them write essays or firing them over Skype or axing them in the owners box at a commercial break...

- you’ll note that Kevin Lowe is not in hockey ops DECISIONS. He is in all the meetings, he provides plenty of guidance as to what he would do, sometimes he even threatens to tell Daryl if we don’t do what he suggests, but he is not making the hockey Ops decisions.

- something in the water, eh? Any chance that Lowe, MacT and the Gretzky boys were frolicking in the fountains over at Kingsway today?

- As always, the team passes the blame. Mostly to players. It’s amazing to me that the organization can once again simultaneously fire a guy, while criticizing only results, not the decisions that got them there. We’ve seen that again and again with the Oilers. It’s probably necessary to shield themselves because they’ve been so open for a while now that Chia wasn’t making decisions on his own, but it shows a fundamentally flawed approach if they don’t realize that those decisions are what leads us to the disastrous results. It’s not like it’s hard to read the tea leaves either. I’ve been pretty accurately predicting Oilers results for years now because you watch them blunder through everything, blowing trades and signings, failing to provide any support to players past and present, squandering assets by having a development program that consists simply of putting youngsters in the lineup and expecting them to succeed, acting as if they know better than everyone else while acting contrary to how successful teams are and then being completely shocked when they fail again and again, talking about culture without ever understanding what it is or how it comes to be...and it’s not like I’m unique as an Oilers Nostradamus. There are so many people who see it constantly and say it. I suspect many that don’t simply are in constant state of denial because they want this team to be worthy of their fan support and it always, always leaves them wanting.

Chiarelli got fired because he made terrible trades and signings that have cost us the playoffs in two of the last three years and probably this one too. He’s done tremendous damage to the team and he probably even hurt the in chance the Oilers had to make a push back in 2016-17. That should have been the easiest thing for Nicholson to say today, but he very notably did not say it. He said that we’d had injuries and players had under-performed instead. Anyone left wondering why you’d fire a GM for players getting hurt? It’s of course likely that they’re afraid of what Chiarelli says if they bluntly say he screwed up - especially since they’ve been in the room for all those discussions and decisions.

- lots of talk about culture and character - as usual - from Nicholson. It’s a familiar refrain we’ve heard for years from Lowe, Tambellini, MacTavish, Eakins, Chiarelli and now Nicholson. They lack the understanding that you can’t just acquire leadership or character or culture. People can’t be leaders unless others are willing to follow them. This was the Ference mistake. The team acquired him and told him they wanted him to indtill a winning culture like they had in Boston, but you can’t simply see a letter on a guy and expect people to buy into what he’s saying, especially when A) he’s a complete outsider who’s done nothing to win the confidence of the room; and B) when he’s clearly been instilled by a leadership group that’s a total joke and who everyone knows is completely free of accountability themselves.

Read any book about corporate culture. It comes from the top. If the guys at the top are immune from accountability then no one buys in if they’re preaching it for their subordinates. The dressing room is going to mirror the rest of the organization. If the guys at the top are only ever concerned with preserving their jobs and making sure their own hindquarters are covered then that’s going to flow down. If the team won’t protect its players from fan and media criticism and will in fact freely fuel that at times in order to pass the buck, then they shouldn’t be surprised at all when the team is not a cohesive unit. And when the team does things to separate players - like talking about core and non-core players or making the entire marketing focus of the team revolve around a single player (something that Gretzky and Sather went out of their way to work against in the 1980s) they are actively sabotaging their own attempts to build a strong cohesive culture. It’s telling that the only times this team ever has defended any of their players is when there’s been criticism on the acquisition of them (like Lucic and Russell). The team is even right to have defended those players - they are Oilers after all - but when they’re inconsistent and don’t defend anyone else it’s glaring.

The culture of this team sucks because guys like Nicholson and Lowe run it. It won’t get better until they’re gone.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728822 is a reply to message #728819 ]	Thu, 24 January 2019 01:35

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Great post Adam. It’s true. If there is no accountability at the top, don’t expect it anywhere below either. Nicholson gave me a pretty good scare during his previous presser. Today confirmed how out of touch he is. He is a major part of the problem now.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728836 is a reply to message #728822 ]	Thu, 24 January 2019 09:13

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g2k wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 04:35

Great post Adam. It’s true. If there is no accountability at the top, don’t expect it anywhere below either. Nicholson gave me a pretty good scare during his previous presser. Today confirmed how out of touch he is. He is a major part of the problem now.

I didn't really have a problem with Nicholson before yesterday. I saw yesterday that he most definitely is part of the problem and not part of the solution. My level of disdain for him is almost at the same level as it is for Lowe.

"Kevin Lowe is VERY important to this organization" was enough for me. F all these clowns. Wake up Katz - you have the best player in the world, possibly one of the all time greats once it's all said and done, and you've wasted the first 4 years of his career. Clean house and do it now. Or at the latest end of the season.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728851 is a reply to message #728822 ]	Thu, 24 January 2019 10:46

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I thought this was a pretty good assessment of the situation with this team, very much in line with what is being discussed here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHl-mBcQ84 How can Nicholson have any confidence that this team is a playoff team after firing both the coach and general manager is the gist of it.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728853 is a reply to message #728851 ]	Thu, 24 January 2019 11:09

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overdue wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 10:46

I thought this was a pretty good assessment of the situation with this team, very much in line with what is being discussed here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmHl-mBcQ84 How can Nicholson have any confidence that this team is a playoff team after firing both the coach and general manager is the gist of it.

I would counter by saying what's he honestly supposed to say? McDavid last week actually said something to the media, got pissed off and told the media "we believe, if you don't get the hell out." Maybe deep down inside, Nicholson thinks playoffs are a long shot but he can't go up there, carve the players up, tell everyone he's dumping everyone and tell them there is no hope. Maybe deep down he thinks the playoffs are a long shot but at the same time he has McDavid and Leon. The Avs were basically a one line team that rode a hot goalie and a hot line and made the playoffs. While unlikely, could the Oilers do that? They went 9-2 with basically the same thing. Koskinen got hot and McDavid and Leon were carrying the load.

I am not saying it will happen but I don't get why fans are mad because they expected the boss of the team to go up there and tell everyone they are a pile of crap. Then head to the dressing room and after calling most of them crappy and say "Hey guys, we need you to be better." It doesn't work that way.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728857 is a reply to message #728853 ]	Thu, 24 January 2019 12:11

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but he can't go up there, carve the players up, tell everyone he's dumping everyone and tell them there is no hope.

It's Nicholson's job to show confidence and sell hope and I agree, anyone in that position is going to do the same thing. I don't think badly of him for doing that at all because he has to but at the same time it's a long shot and everyone knows it. The fans need something to keep coming back for. The players do need a kick in the ass the way they come out flat and under preform so often but after awhile you wonder if they even have it in them.( other than a handful of players ) That Av's team was a lot deeper than you might think. ( ie well put together ) They had a good team for a lot of years after being gifted all those high picks much like the Oilers of more recent times. Klefbom getting hurt and the wheels coming off shows how weak and fragile the team is. There is no doubt as to the mismanagement of the Oilers for a long a period of time now, but when you see coach after coach and manger after manager shown the door, it begins to become more and more obvious( like so many on this site have been trying to point out )that the issues really lie elsewhere. And if it doesn't lie with the OBC like some claim then it's time for a real mangement team for a change. Chiarelli lost his job in Boston for a reason. You would think 'they" would learn from some of the mistakes they've made but they never seem to. I hope the team can sneak into the playoffs but only if they keep reactive moves to a minimum. No cup contender here anyway although stranger things have happened I guess.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728837 is a reply to message #728819 ]	Thu, 24 January 2019 09:24

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I agree with Adam and also this article (for the most part) seems to also agree.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oiler s/rot-in-the-edmonton-oilers-structure-goes-much-deeper-than -the-gm/wcm/3117d6df-1d7d-44b1-8b5d-d8c75079a58f

About time something like this gets printed.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728850 is a reply to message #728837 ]	Thu, 24 January 2019 10:22

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b_1_b wrote on Thu, 24 January 2019 12:24

I agree with Adam and also this article (for the most part) seems to also agree.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/hockey/nhl/edmonton-oiler s/rot-in-the-edmonton-oilers-structure-goes-much-deeper-than -the-gm/wcm/3117d6df-1d7d-44b1-8b5d-d8c75079a58f

About time something like this gets printed.

Awesome! Hope this keeps getting repeated everywhere. Might be the beginning of the end for the Untouchables! We can only hope.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728705 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:23

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From @OilersNation twitter:

Quote:

"That's why were in no rush to find a general manager. We're going to look at every aspect of this organization. There's something in the water here that is not right." -Nicholson on why organization can't get it right #Oilers

God, Nicholson is so close, just can't quite get there.

https://twitter.com/OilersNation/status/1088122182297767936

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728770 is a reply to message #728705 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 15:13

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Goose wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:23

From @OilersNation twitter:

Quote:

"That's why were in no rush to find a general manager. We're going to look at every aspect of this organization. There's something in the water here that is not right." -Nicholson on why organization can't get it right #Oilers

God, Nicholson is so close, just can't quite get there.

https://twitter.com/OilersNation/status/1088122182297767936

Come on Bobby... blaming fluoride...

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728708 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:25

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I like how Nicholson confirmed this management team is just a bunch of trend chasers.

Says the league changed 3 years ago, in sync with us trashing our team to suit it for the previous state of the league. Now we need a GM that suits the change the league made 3 years ago. This is gonna go well, no doubt about it! We can trust Nicholson and the gang to make this team into the trend setters instead of the chasers.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728712 is a reply to message #728708 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:28

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I got no problem with what Keith Gretzky has done recently draft wise. Change his last name and no one has a problem with it.

Stauffer saying on Ched, he doesn't expect an internal hire.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728710 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:26

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- 1st rounder will NOT be moved
- Sounds like they've sent Yamamoto to Bakersfield
- Wants players to develop in the AHL, says we've brought them up too soon with HOPE before, wants them to almost overripe in the A before they come up
- Keith will assume GM duties
- Bob to assume POHO duties, including search for new GM
- IF youth (JP for example) is moved it will not be for a rental
- Kevin Lowe is VERY important to the organization
- Faith in the players, have seen them play well and expects them to play well
- If a player doesn't want to play for his teammates, they can leave

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728717 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 10:53

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Jan 22, Canada releases new food guide telling people to drink more water
Jan 23, Nicholson says there is something wrong with Edmonton's water

We're screwed.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728771 is a reply to message #728717 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 15:16

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:53

Jan 22, Canada releases new food guide telling people to drink more water
Jan 23, Nicholson says there is something wrong with Edmonton's water

We're screwed.

I literally lol’d, and mentioned this just before I read your comment... yer a boss!

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728723 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 11:13

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Bob eluded to it in his presser;

Sounds like Yamamoto is being assigned to Bakersfield along with... Ryan Spooner.

#MakeTheWaterGreatAgain

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728725 is a reply to message #728723 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 11:14

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 11:13

Bob eluded to it in his presser;

Sounds like Yamamoto is being assigned to Bakersfield along with... Ryan Spooner.

#MakeEdmontonWaterGreatAgain

#MEWGA!!!

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728729 is a reply to message #728723 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 11:20

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 11:13

Bob eluded to it in his presser;

Sounds like Yamamoto is being assigned to Bakersfield along with... Ryan Spooner.

#MakeTheWaterGreatAgain

confirmed

https://theahl.com/stats/transactions/402/61?page=1

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728734 is a reply to message #728729 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 11:36

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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 11:20

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 11:13

Bob eluded to it in his presser;

Sounds like Yamamoto is being assigned to Bakersfield along with... Ryan Spooner.

#MakeTheWaterGreatAgain

confirmed

https://theahl.com/stats/transactions/402/61?page=1

So all had who had their hands in this transaction? Keith Gretzky made the initial decision, went to Bobby Nicholson, he then goes and tells Kevin Lowe. Lowe said sending them to Bakersfield is approved pending Garth Brooks decision (who has more banners than Lowe). Garth Brooks is waiting on Daryl Katz if it's good to go.

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728741 is a reply to message #728734 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 11:58

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:36

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 11:20

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 11:13

Bob eluded to it in his presser;

Sounds like Yamamoto is being assigned to Bakersfield along with... Ryan Spooner.

#MakeTheWaterGreatAgain

confirmed

https://theahl.com/stats/transactions/402/61?page=1

So all had who had their hands in this transaction? Keith Gretzky made the initial decision, went to Bobby Nicholson, he then goes and tells Kevin Lowe. Lowe said sending them to Bakersfield is approved pending Garth Brooks decision (who has more banners than Lowe). Garth Brooks is waiting on Daryl Katz if it's good to go.

Bob Nicholson announces Garth Brooks is new Oiler GM.. at the presser..

Ryan Rishaug: "So Garth do your really think you're qualified to manage the Oilers?"
Garth: <pauses> "I think I know a little a bit about how to fill an arena.. in case that's a concern.."

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728739 is a reply to message #728723 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 11:54

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 10:13

Bob eluded to it in his presser;

Sounds like Yamamoto is being assigned to Bakersfield along with... Ryan Spooner.

#MakeTheWaterGreatAgain

Never understood why Spooner was waived, then put in the line up the next day, he's a waste of good Gatorade.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728761 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 12:51

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Chiarelli's message, via the Oilers
“I would like to thank the Edmonton Oilers organization, owner Daryl Katz and his family, Bob Nicholson and the OEG executive group for the opportunity to be GM for the Edmonton Oilers. I wish the Oilers and the players good luck for the remainder of the season and in the future.

Courtesy of Rishaug, who, I assume is Nicholson's fav media man?

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728772 is a reply to message #728592 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 15:33

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OMG hearing Nicholson say, “because we have good leaders, and we have good players, on this team” says it all. Guess what Bob, other teams don’t have an extra layer of “leaders” hanging around, and if they did and the team was a joke like the Oilers, the “leaders” by definition are not doing a good job, right? What other measurement of “leader”ship performance is there?

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Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728773 is a reply to message #728772 ]	Wed, 23 January 2019 15:35

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Oh wait I know, sometimes you have good leaders but nobody can tell because the minions refuse to be led. But you can still tell that they are good leaders because the leaders will remind you about how good they are

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