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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728773 is a reply to message #728772 ]
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Oh wait I know, sometimes you have good leaders but nobody can tell because the minions refuse to be led. But you can still tell that they are good leaders because the leaders will remind you about how good they are

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10 years 8 coaches and 4 GMs. You’re next Super Chief.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728777 is a reply to message #728776 ]
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The way he talks about Kevin Lowe means that he’s scared of Kevin’s influence on his own job security. Pandering to Lowe for no reason. Disgusting.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728800 is a reply to message #728592 ]
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Rishaug telling Strudwick that it’s actually not uncommon for teams to have plenty ex players in management positions for the team they once played for.

Yeah, but did it involve 10+ years of sucking, meddling and failure with those teams? Destroying draft picks and being arrogant pricks? Not likely.

Really let down by Rishaug and some of his defences of the org the past couple days.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728805 is a reply to message #728800 ]
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g2k wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 19:06

Rishaug telling Strudwick that it’s actually not uncommon for teams to have plenty ex players in management positions for the team they once played for.

Yeah, but did it involve 10+ years of sucking, meddling and failure with those teams? Destroying draft picks and being arrogant pricks? Not likely.

Really let down by Rishaug and some of his defences of the org the past couple days.


Yes. But then they get fired when the team performs badly. Not elevated into more senior positions. It’s been over a decade of sliding down the mountain with the same goofballs.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728807 is a reply to message #728800 ]
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g2k wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 20:06

Rishaug telling Strudwick that it’s actually not uncommon for teams to have plenty ex players in management positions for the team they once played for.

Yeah, but did it involve 10+ years of sucking, meddling and failure with those teams? Destroying draft picks and being arrogant pricks? Not likely.

Really let down by Rishaug and some of his defences of the org the past couple days.


Rishaug is a lapdog for the organization. He’s a guy with no sources, no ability to analyze and diagnose play and no credibility. He is absolutely nothing without the Oilers feeding him the occasional scoop so he’s completely beholden to the team. Remember how this guy got the Hall scoop - he shovelled $&@# for the team for days after the trade as well as for days BEFORE the trade trying to tell fans how necessary it was to give a point per game player away for a stay at home dman.

No one should have any respect for Rishaug as a reporter.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728811 is a reply to message #728807 ]
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Adam wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 20:59

g2k wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 20:06

Rishaug telling Strudwick that it’s actually not uncommon for teams to have plenty ex players in management positions for the team they once played for.

Yeah, but did it involve 10+ years of sucking, meddling and failure with those teams? Destroying draft picks and being arrogant pricks? Not likely.

Really let down by Rishaug and some of his defences of the org the past couple days.


Rishaug is a lapdog for the organization. He’s a guy with no sources, no ability to analyze and diagnose play and no credibility. He is absolutely nothing without the Oilers feeding him the occasional scoop so he’s completely beholden to the team. Remember how this guy got the Hall scoop - he shovelled $&@# for the team for days after the trade as well as for days BEFORE the trade trying to tell fans how necessary it was to give a point per game player away for a stay at home dman.

No one should have any respect for Rishaug as a reporter.

That's quite the conspiracy Adam. Do you have any evidence to back that up or are you just a crazy alt--hockey fan.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728815 is a reply to message #728811 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 21:06

Adam wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 20:59

g2k wrote on Wed, 23 January 2019 20:06

Rishaug telling Strudwick that it’s actually not uncommon for teams to have plenty ex players in management positions for the team they once played for.

Yeah, but did it involve 10+ years of sucking, meddling and failure with those teams? Destroying draft picks and being arrogant pricks? Not likely.

Really let down by Rishaug and some of his defences of the org the past couple days.


Rishaug is a lapdog for the organization. He’s a guy with no sources, no ability to analyze and diagnose play and no credibility. He is absolutely nothing without the Oilers feeding him the occasional scoop so he’s completely beholden to the team. Remember how this guy got the Hall scoop - he shovelled $&@# for the team for days after the trade as well as for days BEFORE the trade trying to tell fans how necessary it was to give a point per game player away for a stay at home dman.

No one should have any respect for Rishaug as a reporter.

That's quite the conspiracy Adam. Do you have any evidence to back that up or are you just a crazy alt--hockey fan.


Hahaha...I think all the tapes exist. The weird pivot to the Oilers are going to have to overpay to get a right shot d-man. He was saying for several days, very oddly, that the Oilers might have to lose a trade to get better. At the same time, Stauffer started saying that he thought we might be able to acquire a defenceman that no one was thinking of...and again similar language about how hard it was to find a right pairing D and that the Oilers might need to really step up to get one...

Naturally, Rishaug somehow learned of the trade before anyone else and got to share it with the hockey world. He then spent the next several days, while others slammed the team for such an idiotic move, defending Chia and saying this was the price and that it was better for the team and that wingers were easy to acquire and that Larsson was a true #1 defenceman...

Of course he might have just worked very diligently with his sources at the league office to come up with that info and just happened to really believe that teams get better by strategically losing trades....

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728818 is a reply to message #728815 ]
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He's definitely been pumping the Koskinen deal too. Saying things like they wanted to make sure they had a goalie for next season and that the upcoming goalie market was a factor...also was the first to break the Chiarelli firing shortly after. Hmmmmm...

Clean house or bust

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728825 is a reply to message #728592 ]
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Good riddance. He has to to go down as the worst GM in Oilers history. When he came in the team had an excess of offensive talent and questions marks over goaltending and defence. When he left, the team had no offensive depth and question marks over goaltending and defence.

This season was a bust the moment the Oilers backed him over the summer.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728832 is a reply to message #728825 ]
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I would love to argue your point about worst GM in Oilers history......Yea I really got nothing to dispute your claim. I would like to maybe extend it to worst management group in history, not just GM?

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #728847 is a reply to message #728592 ]
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The Nicholson stuff about the effort and how they need to get in the room and figure out what's not right.

Isn't that exactly the same approach MacT took when he was forced to fire Eakins? He had to get on that bench and find out what the problem was in the room. I think he settled on Perron being the root of all evil. Who's it gonna be this time?

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732083 is a reply to message #728592 ]
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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

https://i.imgur.com/u3T9u4G.gif

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732093 is a reply to message #732084 ]
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g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732094 is a reply to message #732093 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732098 is a reply to message #732094 ]
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g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”

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 Re: Chiarelli Fired [message #732106 is a reply to message #732101 ]
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g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 20:19

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.

This forum has turned into a pessimistic cesspool of bitching and whining about the same topics consistently.

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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:11

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 20:19

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 18:44

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 17:13

Christian Pagnani @chrispagnani
John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.


Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:22

PoolParty wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:11

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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.


Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...

This is the thing. I don’t think anyone here needs to apologize for being critical of something they enjoy following closely.

I get a kick out of people that take a passing interest in the game or team who relish on coming off as people so in control of their emotions and beliefs. Gimme a break. They just don’t care as much. One is no better than the other.

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Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...


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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

Baffoons. This team is run by baffoons.

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nullterm wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 15:25

John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

Baffoons. This team is run by baffoons.


Well it's gotta be someone that the other GMs like. See: Chiarelli, Peter.

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nullterm wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 12:25

John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

Baffoons. This team is run by baffoons.


They are parading the due diligence a competent organization is expected to display. No stone left un-turned. And we fans are suppose to buy it. ( and tickets for next season )


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<Man, imagine somebody was sick of losing in like 2014 and they did take a break. Like 5 years. And then came back this point...>

You meant 2004 right?


edit: quote didn's come through.

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PoolParty wrote on Fri, 01 March 2019 10:11

Adam wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 20:19

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:23

g2k wrote on Thu, 28 February 2019 19:02

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John Shannon says the Oilers are in the third phase of their GM search. Bob Nicholson will ask other managers/senior executives at the GM meetings who the most eligible candidates are. I don't get why other teams would help the Oilers?

This org is so clueless. They have no idea what they're looking for. And they expect the rest of the league to help them out? This is probably the same way Nicholson collected his team Canada management groups.

This can’t be true.

If so, MacT and Lowe are snickering and fist pumping each other on second layer of meat shield they now have in Grampa Bobby.


Guess this org is no stranger to looking for affirmation from other orgs. I remember MacT bragging back in 2013 about how other GM's told him the Oilers were on the right track and had a bright future.

So, who are other GM's gonna tell us the best guy is? Just that great guy Keith?

Well coke bottles confirmed it between periods.

Most GM’s are going to say they had the right guy in place, but fired him.


Going on about how much they like MacT and how much they enjoyed working with him would be very smart.

“Here’s Milbury contact info.”

“That’s okay. Got it a few times today already.”


Honestly, it explains an awful lot if the Oilers management actually believes the other teams are just going to help them to get better. They must feel just completely betrayed every time they make a deal and it goes horribly wrong because the other GM just took them to the woodshed mercilessly.

Maybe the generosity that Sather showed the team a few times (Nedved, Leetch bonus pick, Talbot) made the brass actually believe that this was all just this great community of really nice guys working together to make everyone better in their own turn...There's all the first overall picks - maybe they thought the league wanted them to do well? Even the Pronger trade apparently came about when the agent mentioned to Lowe that he thought St. Louis was in sell mode. These guys get a couple helping hands and suddenly they turn in to Hockey's Welfare Recipients just waiting for their next handout!

And now, through this lens, picture some of those moments in Oilers history:

- "I'm so sorry MacT, I'd love to help you out here but it's just the cyclical nature of the game. It's your turn to give right now, but we'll help you out down the road. So where were we - a 3rd and a 5th for Hemsky sound about right?"

- "Tambo! Great to hear from you...your guys ARE doing great this year. But it's not really your time yet so I can't really help you out. Unless that is, you want Smithson..."

- "Oh Pete, you already got McDavid in the draft. You don't really think we're allowed to give you MORE than just Larsson for Hall, do you?"

It's mind-bogglingly stupid to go asking your competitors what is the best thing for your organization. They aren't going to be helpful, and you're just making yourself a laughingstock. If you were going to make those inquiries, if for example, there was a Sather out there who you saw as a mentor and who may still be willing to give you a little guidance - why would you let it publicly be known, more than once, that you're asking other teams for help.

FFS...do you think this is what they do when they need an offensive defenceman too? "Hey, Lombardi, Bowman - you guys have been pretty successful lately...who do you think we should go get for a right shot d-man? Rishaug keeps telling me we really need one. And do you think we should overpay for that?"

Man, this team just makes me angry.


You need to take a break from the team and probably hockey in general, you seem to get way to worked up over a game.



It's so refreshing to hear from someone who's completely okay with constant failure. It gets so wearying always dealing with people who want to see progress and victory. Why bother when you can just embrace the suck and gladly ask for more.

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I’m guessing that Gretzky is hoping to duck the GM position and do straight into the untouchable, entrenched, management role, with his friends. That’s were I’d rather be. That’s where the job security and booze is!

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I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 10:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Perhaps, though perhaps Chia would still have made them. I can’t look it up right now, but I believe the dual role (GM and PoHo) seems to be a common thing in the NHL and Bobby may not have much of a choice but to include both roles to attract the ‘right’ candidate which I would understand as it would give them full autonomy over the team/moves/hires below. But that’s just my thinking.

Not sure why Dave Nonis has been mentioned. I think he’d be a terrible hire here.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:11

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 10:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Perhaps, though perhaps Chia would still have made them. I can’t look it up right now, but I believe the dual role (GM and PoHo) seems to be a common thing in the NHL and Bobby may not have much of a choice but to include both roles to attract the ‘right’ candidate which I would understand as it would give them full autonomy over the team/moves/hires below. But that’s just my thinking.

Not sure why Dave Nonis has been mentioned. I think he’d be a terrible hire here.


Someone pointed out that Dreger is related to Nonis, and mentions him whenever there's an opening...possibly just to get him consideration...

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?

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Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?

I mean, it's possible, but what are the odds that the Oilers once had a best player named Gretzky AND a best GM candidate named Gretzky. They must be long. Quite the coincidence.

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Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:19

Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:19

Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?


Naw man, Billy Guerin!

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:19

Adam wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:45

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 09:05

I just want the absolute best possible guy for the GM's job you can get. I don't care what his last name is.

I also think they need to have a guy in the Pres of Hockey Ops job and another guy in the GM's chair. I do not want the jobs combined like Chia had. It sure sounds like Chia made a lot of decisions on his own. He probably got input from others but if he wanted the move, it happened no matter what. Example is the Strome trade. It doesn't sound like many wanted it to happen. Apparently McLellan and his staff definitely didn't want it to happen but he made the move anyway. Maybe if they have a sober second thought guy rather than one guy with all the power, some of the stupid moves might not have happened.


Do you think there's any chance that the best guy has the last name "Gretzky"?


I don't have a clue. I don't know enough about him. The majority of his experience comes from outside the Oilers and his body of work with the Oilers is pretty limited. I also do not know what his actual involvement has actually been when Chia was here. According to Stauffer, he is making it sound like Chia was the guy making all the calls and basically made all the decisions on his own even if others disagreed. Whether that is completely true or not, I am not 100% sure. If Gretzky was side by side with Chia, slapping him on the back saying what a great idea all his screw ups were, then absolutely he can't be it. IF it was like what Stauffer is saying and he would give Chia his 2 cents, going against what Chia said and all that happened is Chia thanked him for his opinion, then just did the opposite, that's a different story. I just look at the moves that Gretzky has made right after Chia was let go and every one of them was directly against a CHia move.
- Spooner, Chia's guy, a guy that supposedly not a lot on the team wanted, got waived immediately and then traded shortly after. I don't think that move gets made if Chia is here. If GRetzky was right there with CHia on that move, I have my doubts me makes it either because it would make him look bad.
- Manning, another CHia move gets waived pretty quickly after Chia is gone. I am not sure it happens if Chia is here and I don't know it happens if Gretzky was a guy that wanted him.
- Talbot trade. I think Talbot gets traded if Chia was here. You had to make the move to get something for a guy that was leaving. I didn't mind the trade. I didn't think Talbot was worth much. But if you are trading a goalie, you needed another one coming back to be the back up. If Chia was here, I thought they would either get some crap pick which in turn they would have to flip to another team to get a back up. Or they would have to retain salary or they are bringing back a guy like Elliott. All dumb moves in my books. Instead they got Stolarz straight up. I have no clue if Stolarz is anything worth keeping but I like the fact he is a young, big goalie with some experience though limited that you can have a look at and make a decision on. I like that better than getting an Elliott that you know it lousy and have no future with you or getting some low end draft pick that is 6+ yrs away from maybe being anything.
So with all the moves that Gretzky has made, to me they are the opposite of what I think Chia would have done which makes me wonder just how much involvement Gretzky had.

At the end of the day, like I said, I really do not care what the guys last name is. All I want is the best, most capable guy no matter who that is. I want to them to talk to every guy they can, get all kinds of opinions they can from others on candidates, leave no stone unturned. They HAVE TOO get this right. I just do not want the guys last night no matter who that is to be a reason they don't hire a guy because they are so worried about optics. Get the right guy!!

I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?


Naw man, Billy Guerin!

The problem with this site is I have no clue anymore if what people say is legit or not.

Guerin has been the Assistant GM for one of the best teams in the league the Pens since June 2014. So I'd think he would have a lot of qualities to be able to do the job. BUt he played with the Oilers for a few seasons so doesn't that disqualify him in the eyes of the fans?

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:59

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:26


I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?


Naw man, Billy Guerin!

The problem with this site is I have no clue anymore if what people say is legit or not.

Guerin has been the Assistant GM for one of the best teams in the league the Pens since June 2014. So I'd think he would have a lot of qualities to be able to do the job. BUt he played with the Oilers for a few seasons so doesn't that disqualify him in the eyes of the fans?


That's why I brought him up. I actually heard Stauffer talk about Guerin yesterday (I think it was yesterday), so I mean perhaps it has legs.

All in all, he, much like Keith Gretzky, has worked his way through the ranks and both have shown competency at the assistant level.

I don't anticipate a WOW hiring to be honest. My hope is it's just someone competent and with strong negotation skills.

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:59

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:26


I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?


Naw man, Billy Guerin!

The problem with this site is I have no clue anymore if what people say is legit or not.

Guerin has been the Assistant GM for one of the best teams in the league the Pens since June 2014. So I'd think he would have a lot of qualities to be able to do the job. BUt he played with the Oilers for a few seasons so doesn't that disqualify him in the eyes of the fans?


That's why I brought him up. I actually heard Stauffer talk about Guerin yesterday (I think it was yesterday), so I mean perhaps it has legs.

All in all, he, much like Keith Gretzky, has worked his way through the ranks and both have shown competency at the assistant level.

I don't anticipate a WOW hiring to be honest. My hope is it's just someone competent and with strong negotation skills.


My one worry about Guerin is now how the Pens have picked up Jack JOhnson and Gudbranson. THese guys are analytics horror shows, and Guerin is the head of the Pens analytics department. How did that happen? hehe

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 13:46

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:22

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:59

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 11:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 06 March 2019 12:26


I think the right guy is Gretzky. I mean, unless Messier wants it. Or Coffey. Actually what's Fuhr doing these days?


Naw man, Billy Guerin!

The problem with this site is I have no clue anymore if what people say is legit or not.

Guerin has been the Assistant GM for one of the best teams in the league the Pens since June 2014. So I'd think he would have a lot of qualities to be able to do the job. BUt he played with the Oilers for a few seasons so doesn't that disqualify him in the eyes of the fans?


That's why I brought him up. I actually heard Stauffer talk about Guerin yesterday (I think it was yesterday), so I mean perhaps it has legs.

All in all, he, much like Keith Gretzky, has worked his way through the ranks and both have shown competency at the assistant level.

I don't anticipate a WOW hiring to be honest. My hope is it's just someone competent and with strong negotation skills.


My one worry about Guerin is now how the Pens have picked up Jack JOhnson and Gudbranson. THese guys are analytics horror shows, and Guerin is the head of the Pens analytics department. How did that happen? hehe


Eh, I couldn't imagine BG coming up here anyway. He'll get 3 more years under Rutherford and then the Penguins will be his... unfortunately for him Crosby may not have much left after those 3 years.

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