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Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722556]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:00

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722570 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:29

nullterm
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Location: Port Moody, BC

1 Cup

Time to find better uses of your entertainment time than this supposed professional hockey organization. They need a fan time out and we can meet again after they have sorted out how to be a team.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722573 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:36

Kr55
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6 Cups

Just to cheer people up

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722575 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:37

Skookum Jim
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What a stink fest.
Never watching these bozos live again.

PVR
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Else
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McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
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Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722577 is a reply to message #722573 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:38

Skookum Jim
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4 Cups

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 19:36

Just to cheer people up

Awesome.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722580 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:43

Mike
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick

1 Cup

Hawks fire 3 time Cup winner after 1 missed playoffs and a 6-6-3 start. Somehow we are still hanging on to no time Cup winner, under .500 20 games into the season hack.

After tonight, punt him and everyone else to the curb. Bring in Q. No guarantees it will work, but what’s the worst that happens? We miss the playoffs?

Not sure if this has been posted

https://thehockeywriters.com/edmonton-oilers-todd-mclellan-s hould-be-fired/

[Updated on: Sun, 18 November 2018 20:45]

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722582 is a reply to message #722580 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:47

Magnum
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No Cups

Wolverine anyone?

https://www.marvel.com/help/category/8

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722583 is a reply to message #722575 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:50

oilersfan2
Messages: 8
Registered: May 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta

No Cups

Have a feeling you’ll have a lot of free time on your hands. I’m looking for a new hobby as well, any suggestions? Lol

Shoot the puck!!

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722584 is a reply to message #722580 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:54

Oscargasm
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Mike wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:43

Thanks for posting this.

Question would be, if (IF) TMac is canned, does JQ even want to touch this hodge podge roster? Yes, the McDavid effect could play a part but I’m sure he’d get an offer to join a more attractive situation later in the year or in the spring.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722586 is a reply to message #722584 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:57

Kr55
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OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 20:54

Mike wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:43

Probably needs to be an understanding between JQ and Nicholson that Chia is on notice. If that's not good enough, Chia is out right away.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722587 is a reply to message #722584 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:57

Magnum
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No Cups

Something more attractive, like coaching an AHL team?

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722588 is a reply to message #722587 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 20:59

Oscargasm
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Magnum wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:57

Something more attractive, like coaching an AHL team?

I was thinking more like Pittsburgh if things remain ugly there.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722589 is a reply to message #722584 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 21:00

scotiaoiler
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Registered: April 2006

No Cups

This is a bad hockey team that needs lots of pieces to be competitive. WE have 3 good centers. That is it. We are week in Goaltending, top 6 wingers, bottom six players and defence can't move the puck out of there own end. They said this season would show which team the Oilers really are. The team that almost made the conference finals 2 years ago or the disaster that was last season. It's looking a lot like last year. Groundhog day with one exception for over a decade. Oh yea we have no coach or GM either.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722590 is a reply to message #722589 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 21:06

scotiaoiler
Messages: 15
Registered: April 2006

No Cups

Vegas coach said they were not happy with the first period but they made some really good adjustments. Over to you Todd. It only seams like the opposing coach only has to make a few adjustments and Todd has no answer. He is one of the most overrated coaches in this league

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722591 is a reply to message #722590 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 21:10

Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:06

He's not that bad.

If we were to get Pavelski, Couture, Burns and Vlasic for nothing right now, I'm sure we could make the playoffs and then go out in the 1st round.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722592 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 21:19

K.McC#24
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Registered: March 2004
Location: ALBERTA

2 Cups

0-2 in the Pacific. 1 win in the last 7 games. Pathetic.

I thought Talbot was going to lock it down after 4 goals on 11 shots at one point, but didn't happen:icon_lol: . I don't know what the circumstances are at this point where you'd give Talbot a start unless it's one of back to backs.

Sloppy effort otherwise, a ton of turnovers.

Here they sit, trending downward through mediocrity into obscurity again. There are personnel issues, many of the GM's creation, and he's painted the franchise into a salary cap corner. Can't be trusted with a big deal because he hasn't made a good one for this franchise.

Coach lost BOA game last night with disgustingly stupid personnel decisions on the 1st line in particular, and personnel in general in the 3rd period. Can't leave a line intact aside from the 4th.....just has to frigging meddle. How much time does TM get? What's the message, and are any of the players buying it? I can't see the GM letting this go much farther with his own ass on the line as the season begins to evaporate.

#1 goaltender can't stop anything in a contract year. So thin at top 6 wing that you have to use 2 of your top 3 centers on the 1st line. Chronic incompetence on D, specifically on the breakout.

They end October in not a bad spot, but November is an unmitigated disaster. Good grief, what the hell goes on and where does it go from here?

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722594 is a reply to message #722592 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 21:33

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Location: The Hood

2 Cups

K.McC#24 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:19

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#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722599 is a reply to message #722570 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 21:53

Ramone
Messages: 1
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Location: Here & there

No Cups

82 games (no playoffs, obviously) X ~3 hours/each = 246 hours. Double that with time spent on message boards, Twitter, arguing about hockey with friends, reading newspaper articles, listening to sports radio, etc - that's 492 hours/year on the Oilers.

There are 168 hours per week, minus ~40 for work and ~56 for sleeping. Leaves 72. Take away all the commute time, showers, buying groceries, cleaning the house, doing taxes, additional work nonsense, walking the dog, whatever. If you've got kids take away almost everything else.

A VERY lucky person has maybe 35 hours of truly free time a week. X52 that's 1820. 492 divided by 1820 is .027. Who wants to spend minimum 27% of their free time on watching a terrible team run by a truly terrible organization, owned by a creep? These clowns would all be fired if they did your job (whatever that might be) and came out with results like they have.

At least one quarter of your free and very finite life devoted to this gong show? No way! Go play with your kids in the snow. Try to pick up that girl you like. Rebuild a Camaro. Read Dostoyevsky. Get in shape. Do a jigsaw puzzle. Take a nap. Life is finite. These goofs will still be tripping over themselves if/when you want to come back.

Vote with your wallet, and with your time.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722602 is a reply to message #722599 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 22:28

nullterm
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1 Cup

Ramone wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 20:53

This. I’ve been giving the Oilers a semi vacation for the last few years. Play good, I’ll watch. Play bad, I’ve got better things to do than be negative.

Leave the pressure on Katz to fix the team. He should be doing everything possible to ensure we want to watch. He’s not because win or lose he still gets good numbers watching live and on TV. Our only real power as fans is the decision to watch or not watch. Happy or angry is the same amount of revenue.

Be happy and stop giving this apathetic billionaire your time and money.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722603 is a reply to message #722588 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 22:45

philly boy
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Location: E-Town

No Cups

OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 20:59

Magnum wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:57

Something more attractive, like coaching an AHL team?

I was thinking more like Pittsburgh if things remain ugly there.

Remain ugly? The Pens have won 2 Cups in 3 years.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722604 is a reply to message #722603 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 22:48

CrusaderPi
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philly boy wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 22:45

OilMJMOil wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 20:59

Magnum wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:57

Something more attractive, like coaching an AHL team?

I was thinking more like Pittsburgh if things remain ugly there.

Remain ugly? The Pens have won 2 Cups in 3 years.

Different scales for different teams. If the Pens are below average for 20 games it's something of an outlier. If the Oilers are bad for 19 years, well, keep buying tickets.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722608 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 23:21

Adam
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6 Cups

Six of seven lost, and the Oilers are now 9-10-1 after 20 games and three points out of the playoffs in the weakest division in hockey.

If you don't fire the coach now, you're walking away from this season. And by all rights the GM should accompany him out the door.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722610 is a reply to message #722608 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 23:42

Kr55
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Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Adam wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 23:21

But the plan, it's going so accordingly still.

People say firing the coach won't matter. I'm not sure firing Chia will either. MacT wanted Lucic long ago, and threw money at David Clarkson. The org was leaking how Hall wasn't who they thought he would be before Chia even got here. All these losers in the head office are in on this together and Chia may just be another scapegoat and will be replaced with another OBC friendly.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722611 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Sun, 18 November 2018 23:59

Skookum Jim
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Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC

4 Cups

I'm thinking that if this Spooner trade turns out to be a minus, that'll be Chiarelli's final nail.
Losing a capable, stay out of trouble, 3rd line NHL center, and you replace him with an AHL rookie (Marody), so your new acquisition can play top 6 wing, the theory being he'll be better than what you already had, so far the theory (aka hope) isn't looking good, and all you've done is swap Marody for Strome, which is a downgrade.

Quennville will come in, lots of flash, media chit chat, the result will remain the same. Best player in the world leading half an AHL squad.

[Updated on: Mon, 19 November 2018 00:01]

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722612 is a reply to message #722611 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 00:09

Kr55
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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 23:59

What was McLellan really thinking here with Spooner? Guy who has been struggling all year flies across the continent, lands, and is immediately tossed into the top 6. Gets exposed, then tossed out for more the next day. McLellan trying to make Chia look like an arse? It worked. But McLellan looks like one too.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722613 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 00:32

Skookum Jim
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4 Cups

Oh yeah ..forgot... Benning. doh

Pure Awful

That 2-2, short handed goal against was all on him.. lazy, weak-assed, dopey, skate around his own net, guy chasing him, realizes he's going too slow, tries to accelerate for a break out, trips over his own feet, wipes out, coughs up the puck, Oilers recover it, Benning gets it again, then promptly serves up a nice fat pepperoni pizza to Eakins for the snipe, thanks bud. Just a complete cycle of dopey, weak-assed play.

https://img.clipd.com/filter:scale/quill/9/4/b/4/6/6/94b466deaa7c41f7574c5eb275e99cf29a69dd58.gif?mw=650

That killed the team right there

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722617 is a reply to message #722583 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 06:15

oilerfan79
Messages: 11
Registered: August 2006
Location: Windsor Ontario

No Cups

Hitting your thumb with a hammer. It'll be more enjoyable.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722618 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 07:25

CrudeRemarks
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Registered: November 2010
Location: Edmonton

1 Cup

Okay that has to be enough eh? At least fire one of them. My preference is Chia but I will take a Todd pink slip.

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722621 is a reply to message #722618 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 07:40

McDavid97
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Registered: July 2007

No Cups

Don't let our winning streak fool you, this team stinks. They need changes, it should happen but probably won't as sucking is the norm and it's okay to lose.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722622 is a reply to message #722621 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 08:24

RDOilerfan
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3 Cups

Another disappointing weekend in the books. They had a chance to do some damage against Pacific Division opponents and pissed it away. The game was lost in a 5 min span when they gave up 3. Plenty of blame to go around as I don't think a lot of players were that good. But it came down to goaltending once again. Fleury was good making several really good saves when his team needed them, Talbot sucked AGAIN. When you give up 6 goals and have a .806 save percentage, that isn't NHL goaltending. Oilers make a mistake on the PP, Eakins comes down the just flat out beats Talbot with a wrister to the far side. Was it a decent shot? Sure I guess so but he's a freaking 3rd line center. This isn't Ovie for F- sake. Make a freaking save!! Then Marchessault comes down 1.5 mins later and does the exact same thing. Same side of the ice, from the same spot, goes in the same place. How does an NHL goalie let in the same goal not even 2 mins later? Is Marchessault a real good player? Yes he is but you just saw that same f-ing play not 2 mins earlier. How does that happen?

I am not excusing the GM for the roster, it clearly isn't good enough. I am not excusing the coach because something is not working, it's obvious. BUT as a team, how do you do ANYTHING with goaltending like that? I am not an NHL coach but I would think that as a team defensively, the goal would be to not give up the middle and keep the shots to the side just like they did on those goals. There wasn't much to shoot at YET they still went in. The defense isn't great I know that but my god, if the expectation of the defense has to be that you basically give up no shots from ANYWHERE in your own zone, I don't care who's on defense. That just isn't realistic. If you had a picture of the Oilers end of the ice, is there any spot that you can circle that you can say with confidence you are safe to give up a shot from with Talbot in the net? I would say no.

They have to roll with Koskinen for a bit. This shouldn't be about hurting a guys feelings or getting you previous "guy" going. This is about playing the guys that give you a chance to win. The Oilers basically have zero margin for error on most nights, they can't afford to play a guy in net that isn't up to NHL standards right now.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722630 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 09:31

PlusOne
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Location: Regina, Sask

1 Cup

PlusOne wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 16:17

scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 15:30

This will show the character of this team.

Or lack there of
This last two weeks is soul crushing for most players. Last night is likely the jewel in that crap crown

If this was a franchise with a decade of good management and a winning culture it is easier to expect them to power through.
I fully expect a "here we go again" attitude for most of the team.

I am mentally prepared for the worst showing of the year and will be pleasantly surprised with anything better

I posted this in the pre game thread. I am sad at just how accurate it was.
You could see the looks and performance on most players faces. No drive, no push back, just got walked on over and over again.

The good news is my "negativity" has me climbing the ranks in the score prediction contest. 70% had Edmonton to win!

Survivor LX(I) and 67 Champ(i)on

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722631 is a reply to message #722556 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 09:48

Rocksteady
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Registered: March 2007

No Cups

This all begins and ends with Chia. He's responsible for this mess and the brain trust. You have all these hockey brainiacs in management positions most from the glory days and the team is rife with incompetence.

You have an owner who is next level of creep who's toy is now tattered and played with.

We have a coach that is throwing everything into a blender and seeing what kind of crap it can do on the ice, but it's all he has. I'm not in line to fire the coach, because it's the roster that's the problem. After the roster issues we can talk about coaching prowess because he's showing the same patterns he showed in SJ where he is stubborn in his method and cannot adapt to the opposing coach. Todd is the problem when the team can't hit the next level. The roster is making the team trend down. Who takes his place, Yawney or Gulutzan? Neither in my opinion. Q? He wouldn't want to touch this organization!

You have Lucic who should actually sit a night or 5 to relax and eat some popcorn (you don't do that to veterans? Be productive and then let's talk about what you do with veterans) You have Benning who I'm not sure is NHL calibre anymore. Klefbom is doing what exactly? Not sure, eating ice time I guess. Nurse? Trending down and no doctor can fix his ability to defend but his partner is Benning so maybe a pass? Russell can block shots, but puck GET RID OF IT! No play just dump it away and hope his team gets it. Gravel? Thank you NEXT! Larsson is the only capable defensive player

Offensive break ins are a joke.

Defense? What's that? Get in the prime spots and take your shot!

Talbot, weak on his angles. This organization is where good goalies die.

Koskinen? He's new and hasn't been affected by the stink of this organization, should he be resigned, he'll be bad.. equal to that of his play in preseason.

[Updated on: Mon, 19 November 2018 09:53]

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

Generally Disappointed.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722632 is a reply to message #722631 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 09:53

Kr55
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Registered: May 2002
Location: Edmonton

6 Cups

Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 19 November 2018 09:48

This all begins and ends with Chia. He's responsible for this mess and the brain trust. You have all these hockey brainiacs in management positions most from the glory days and the team is rife with incompetence.

You have an owner who is next level of creep who's toy is now tattered and played with.

We have a coach that is throwing everything into a blender and seeing what kind of crap it can do on the ice, but it's all he has. I'm not in line to fire the coach, because it's the roster that's the problem. After the roster issues we can talk about coaching prowess because he's showing the same patterns he showed in SJ where he is stubborn in his method and cannot adapt to the opposing coach. Todd is the problem when the team can't hit the next level. The roster is making the team trend down. Who takes his place, Yawney or Gulutzan? Neither in my opinion. Q?

You have Lucic who should actually sit a night or 5 to relax and eat some popcorn (you don't do that to veterans? Be productive and then let's talk about what you do with veterans) You have Benning who I'm not sure is NHL calibre anymore. Klefbom is doing what exactly? Not sure, eating ice time I guess. Nurse? Trending down and no doctor can fix his ability to defend but his partner is Benning so maybe a pass? Russell can block shots, but puck GET RID OF IT! No play just dump it away and hope his team gets it. Gravel? Thank you NEXT! Larsson is the only capable defensive player

Offensive break in are a joke.

Defense? What's that? Get in the prime spots and take your shot!

Talbot, weak on his angles. This organization is where good goalies die.

Koskinen? He's new and hasn't been affected by the stink of this organization, should he be resigned, he'll be bad.. equal to that of his play in preseason.

It still begins and ends with Lowe doesn't it?

He pushed to hire Nicholson. He was without a doubt in pushing for Chia. He kept MacT and Howson on board so he had friendlies around Chia.

The disaster always roots back to Lowe, and removing Chia only gets you another guy that will appease the red wine summiters who are all old school hockey minds without a clue of how to build a team in today's NHL.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722636 is a reply to message #722632 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 10:21

CrusaderPi
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6 Cups

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 November 2018 09:53

The disaster always roots back to Lowe, and removing Chia only gets you another guy that will appease the red wine summiters who are all old school hockey minds without a clue of how to build a team in today's NHL.

I'd argue they wouldn't know how to build teams in yesterday's NHL either.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722643 is a reply to message #722591 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 11:21

Jay
Messages: 561
Registered: January 2007
Location: Edmonton

No Cups

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:10

scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:06

He's not that bad.

If we were to get Pavelski, Couture, Burns and Vlasic for nothing right now, I'm sure we could make the playoffs and then go out in the 1st round.

Throw in a prime Joe Thornton and we might even be ready to blow a 3-0 series lead in the second round!

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722645 is a reply to message #722610 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 11:32

Jay
Messages: 561
Registered: January 2007
Location: Edmonton

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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 23:42

Adam wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 23:21

Exactly. Chia has made a lot of dumb moves. I don't believe for a second that he made those moves entirely of his own volition. I mean he will take the blame and the pink slip eventually but if anyone thinks that things will be different they haven't been paying attention for the last decade and a half.

Speaking of The Plan - any update? what about the Forensic Audit? Rebuilds 1 through 5?

Its probably to soon to expect another letter of apology from the owner but hopefully after 97 requests a trade we will get one. Remember the last one? Where they talked about the future of the Oilers young nucleus...I think it included Stortini and Brodziak...Maybe Nillson...they are all blending together.

"Initiative comes to thems that wait"

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722646 is a reply to message #722645 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 11:47

jerekybeef
Messages: 53
Registered: July 2006
Location: Kamloops

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Holy crap on a cracker. The inability to adjust after a setback or on the fly during a game is completely unacceptable and foul. The coach should be hung with these results because no matter how bad his roster is, it's his job to make the best of what he's been given. That's his job. Building a halfway decent roster is the GM's job. Top down, this franchise is a complete disaster and a joke. The fact that there is anyone that even cares anymore is a testament to rampant mental health issues. Sheesh.

"Make the Oilers great again" - Donny Tramp

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722654 is a reply to message #722599 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 13:40

overdue
Messages: 493
Registered: October 2014

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Ramone wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:53

Thanks for being the voice of reason, It is after all just a game that we get so wired into we forget how trivial it really is. Fun bashing the Oilers organization though. Some of these posts are pretty funny! IF the Oilers started winning again ( a miracle took place in other words) Katz would quickly go from being a creep to an owner who really loves this franchise and this city.So glad I didn't have time to watch the Vegas game.

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722660 is a reply to message #722643 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 14:40

philly boy
Messages: 135
Registered: July 2007
Location: E-Town

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Jay wrote on Mon, 19 November 2018 11:21

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:10

scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 18 November 2018 21:06

He's not that bad.

If we were to get Pavelski, Couture, Burns and Vlasic for nothing right now, I'm sure we could make the playoffs and then go out in the 1st round.

Throw in a prime Joe Thornton and we might even be ready to blow a 3-0 series lead in the second round!

Todd deserves some of the blame during those years, in several of those series I'm sure. But Joe Thornton has never been an inspired playoff performer, when considering the level he was at in his prime (consistently top 10, top 5 in the world at his apex); neither has Marleau. Those were their two superstars that they built around, and both of them were consistently underwhelming. Guys who played at high levels, but remained on that plateau come playoffs. Maybe some of that is on coaching, maybe some of it isn't. I just don't think Sharks got over their hump soon enough, and when they fired Todd it had already been too late. Sounds like I'm making excuses for McLellan, I'm not, and I hope he gets kicked to the curb ASAP, but just some added stuff to consider.

[Updated on: Mon, 19 November 2018 14:43]

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Re: Review: Vegas @ Edmonton (Game #20) [message #722663 is a reply to message #722636 ]	Mon, 19 November 2018 15:50

RDOilerfan
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Registered: January 2016

3 Cups

I am listening to Strudwick talk about last game and him protecting Talbot. He breaks down each goal and lists off a play where a mistake happens then goes on to say " should Talbot of stopped that, well probably BUT.......... the chance shouldn't happen". Then Gregor says well Koskinen plays in behind the same defense and the Oilers supposed give up the 4th least dangerous scoring chances in the league.

Do I agree that in a perfect world mistakes should NEVER happen? You bet. In a perfect world no Oilers player EVER makes a mistake and because they have the best player in the world on their team they should win the game eventually. But I live in the real world and that isn't possible. Some mistakes are going to happen. The goalie is part of the team, it's his job to make a bloody save and to bail the team out at times when a mistakes happen. If the only way Talbot can do his job is for the team to play perfect every single game, then the Oilers have a BIG problem because playing a perfect game no matter what team it is, is physically impossible. Make a save Talbot.

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