| Strome for Spooner Trade [message #722354] |
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 CrusaderPi
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From twitter via TSN 1260: The Oilers traded Strome (Eberle) for Ryan Spooner. One for one. Asset management
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Soooo....Eberle for Spooner.
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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Oilertime
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Spooner is left handed.
Doesn't score as much.
Ufa after this year, Strome was under control.
Makes 4 million. Higher cap hit. EDIT: sounds like nyr retaining salary.
Another Chiarelli one for one special.
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RDOilerfan
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WOW. I had no clue this was coming. Listening to Stauffer, I am guessing the Rangers would eat a little salary to make the money match. I could careless if he is right or left handed, just play well. Had 41 pts last year, a slight up tick from Strome.
Does anyone know if he skates better than Strome?
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Magnum
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| Oilertime wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 13:38 |
Spooner is left handed.
Doesn't score as much.
Ufa after this year, Strome was under control.
Makes 4 million. Higher cap hit. EDIT: sounds like nyr retaining salary.
Another Chiarelli one for one special.
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Chia knew him from Boston... so, must be good.
Maybe making room for something bigger, please?
Ryan S for Ryan S, maybe Chia thought no one would notice. Probably won't notice the difference on the score sheet. They both have done next to nothing this year.
It's fitting that Strome would get traded for a player and cap space, we all know that cap space scores a lot of goals.
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Rishaugh tweeted the Rangers retained 900K to make the money the same. Maybe a change of scenery will help both guys. Moving around deck chairs to me.
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Kr55
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Spooner had good chemistry with Lucic when Krejci went down a few years ago. I'm assuming that is what Chia is hoping will happen here. And I'm doubting it will.
Whatever, Strome is to hockey player what McLellan is to hockey coach. Super Meh.
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Magnum
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 13:45 |
Spooner had good chemistry with Lucic when Krejci went down a few years ago. I'm assuming that is what Chia is hoping will happen here. And I'm doubting it will.
Whatever, Strome is to hockey player what McLellan is to hockey coach. Super Meh.
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Oh boy! What a treat! Chia's building the team around Lucic. Nice 
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Kr55
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| Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 13:47 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 13:45 |
Spooner had good chemistry with Lucic when Krejci went down a few years ago. I'm assuming that is what Chia is hoping will happen here. And I'm doubting it will.
Whatever, Strome is to hockey player what McLellan is to hockey coach. Super Meh.
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Oh boy! What a treat! Chia's building the team around Lucic. Nice
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I hope it works, so we can be saved from another multi-month run of Lucic on the top line while the whole team tries to get him a goal so he can feel better about himself.
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RDOilerfan
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Strome wasn't working here so why not try someone else? I don't see this as a negative. I saw a tweet from Nielsen saying "Oilers had control" of Strome and Spooner was a UFA after next season. Why should that be a concern to the Oilers or any team. The goal should be building the best possible team, worrying about losing control of a player who hasn't been very good shouldn't be an issue.
Sounds like Spooner is faster which the Oilers need more speed.
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Kr55
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 13:51 |
Strome wasn't working here so why not try someone else? I don't see this as a negative. I saw a tweet from Nielsen saying "Oilers had control" of Strome and Spooner was a UFA after next season. Why should that be a concern to the Oilers or any team. The goal should be building the best possible team, worrying about losing control of a player who hasn't been very good shouldn't be an issue.
Sounds like Spooner is faster which the Oilers need more speed.
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We didn't give up much. You can get Strome's every summer for 3.1M or less. His only value was on principle for this org, how we gave up Eberle for him.
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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CrudeRemarks
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Meh.
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RDOilerfan
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 13:53 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 13:51 |
Strome wasn't working here so why not try someone else? I don't see this as a negative. I saw a tweet from Nielsen saying "Oilers had control" of Strome and Spooner was a UFA after next season. Why should that be a concern to the Oilers or any team. The goal should be building the best possible team, worrying about losing control of a player who hasn't been very good shouldn't be an issue.
Sounds like Spooner is faster which the Oilers need more speed.
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We didn't give up much. You can get Strome's every summer for 3.1M or less.
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My feelings exactly. The Oilers aren't losing anything. Maybe they can get a useful player. Add more speed. I don't care about losing a right for a left handed guy. If the right handed guy isn't bringing you much, what value is he?
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RDOilerfan
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In looking at his stats. Spooner looks to be the WAY more productive player. His last 3 seasons:
59GP - 41
78GP-39
80-49
Strome:
82-34
69-30
71-28
I hope it turns out. As I said, Spooner is definitely faster.
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smyth260
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I don't mind this deal on the face of it. Spooner is definitely the higher producing player.
Clean house or bust
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Kr55
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 14:06 |
In looking at his stats. Spooner looks to be the WAY more productive player. His last 3 seasons:
59GP - 41
78GP-39
80-49
Strome:
82-34
69-30
71-28
I hope it turns out. As I said, Spooner is definitely faster.
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Reports suggest he's a faster more skilled player than Strome. His issue has been motivation and consistency. Obviously this year he has been getting nothing done, similar to Strome. Wasn't really for lack of trying for Strome though, he's just not very good.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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GabbyDugan
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.....like most of the rest of you, I'm okay with this trade but it doesn't change things much....
...how is Spooner on PK and PP??? ...not a huge point guy, so assume his power play contributions don't exactly set the NHL on fire...hope he can do something on the PK, either on the road or at home....
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RDOilerfan
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 14:08 |
| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 14:06 |
In looking at his stats. Spooner looks to be the WAY more productive player. His last 3 seasons:
59GP - 41
78GP-39
80-49
Strome:
82-34
69-30
71-28
I hope it turns out. As I said, Spooner is definitely faster.
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Reports suggest he's a faster more skilled player than Strome. His issue has been motivation and consistency. Obviously this year he has been getting nothing done, similar to Strome. Wasn't really for lack of trying for Strome though, he's just not very good.
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I just have to wonder if it just comes down to Strome not being fast enough. I just want guys that can play and they need to get faster. Supposedly Spooner is faster.
Good old Nielson's reply to the trade was about Strome not getting time with McDavid. By Strome's own admission, he feels he is a center, not a winger and he was better as a center which isn't saying much. So why the hell would the Oilers play him at wing?
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RDOilerfan
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| GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 14:09 |
.....like most of the rest of you, I'm okay with this trade but it doesn't change things much....
...how is Spooner on PK and PP??? ...not a huge point guy, so assume his power play contributions don't exactly set the NHL on fire...hope he can do something on the PK, either on the road or at home....
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Supposedly he was pretty decent on the PP. Strome sucked on the PP.
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Xombie
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I consider myself an optimist when it comes to the Oilers.
But this deal will be another fail for Chia unless Spooner significantly outscores Strome.
When trading centres, the righty is always more valuable. It has to do with faceoffs.
Lucic likes Spooner? Well didn't Connor billet with the Stromes or play with Dylan in the OHL?
I would also love it if Chia could trade with more teams than just the three New York clubs.
Bob Marley and the (Hartford) Wailers.
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so 48 is greater than 57, or at least those are the approximate percentages. Next argument?
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CrudeRemarks
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| Xombie wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 15:05 |
I consider myself an optimist when it comes to the Oilers.
But this deal will be another fail for Chia unless Spooner significantly outscores Strome.
When trading centres, the righty is always more valuable. It has to do with faceoffs.
Lucic likes Spooner? Well didn't Connor billet with the Stromes or play with Dylan in the OHL?
I would also love it if Chia could trade with more teams than just the three New York clubs.
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And maybe outside of players he previously drafted
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Kr55
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| Xombie wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 15:05 |
I consider myself an optimist when it comes to the Oilers.
But this deal will be another fail for Chia unless Spooner significantly outscores Strome.
When trading centres, the righty is always more valuable. It has to do with faceoffs.
Lucic likes Spooner? Well didn't Connor billet with the Stromes or play with Dylan in the OHL?
I would also love it if Chia could trade with more teams than just the three New York clubs.
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I would only argue that there is a point where having a right shot doesn't mean much anymore. Like, when you can't accomplish anything offensively. Jared Smithson was a right shot :)
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
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| Xombie wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 15:05 |
I consider myself an optimist when it comes to the Oilers.
But this deal will be another fail for Chia unless Spooner significantly outscores Strome.
When trading centres, the righty is always more valuable. It has to do with faceoffs.
Lucic likes Spooner? Well didn't Connor billet with the Stromes or play with Dylan in the OHL?
I would also love it if Chia could trade with more teams than just the three New York clubs.
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So what good does a right shooting center do if they don't score any points and isn't a good skater?
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overdue
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Another wait and see. Not sure he can be that much worse than Strome although besides not being able to score much, Strome was an Ok third line center and a bit younger. A kissing you're sister kind of move. Not expecting much.
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Liked Spooner in Boston. Was never a Strome fan. Wanted to like him, but he never did anything exceptional and was average at best most nights.
It’d be nice if Spooner was RH for the powerplay, but he’s a good option for added offence. Hope his reputation of being a lackadaisical player disappears in Edmonton. The city will rip him.
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K.McC#24
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 15:32 |
| Xombie wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 15:05 |
I consider myself an optimist when it comes to the Oilers.
But this deal will be another fail for Chia unless Spooner significantly outscores Strome.
When trading centres, the righty is always more valuable. It has to do with faceoffs.
Lucic likes Spooner? Well didn't Connor billet with the Stromes or play with Dylan in the OHL?
I would also love it if Chia could trade with more teams than just the three New York clubs.
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So what good does a right shooting center do if they don't score any points and isn't a good skater?
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I don't think either the Oilers or Strome used his right-handedness to effect. You have to look at results.
Strome was kind of my underdog on the team, wanted him to do well, wasn't really getting any results.....not for lack of try. He had the try....Lord knows we've seen guys come through here blessed with way more foot speed and skill that the GAF meter didn't move far off zero.
Hope this kick starts the 3rd line a bit. He's under contract for this year and next.
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HamBlaster
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Nah, Strome is just terrible. Spooner has had some decent seasons.
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We'll see on this one. Far from certain who's getting the best of this. Both players struggling offensively this year. Historically, Strome's better defensively, and Spooner provides a little more offensively. Spooner's slightly older, but not ancient, and he's a UFA at the end of his deal, while Strome is RFA still when his expires. Of course, when the deals end, there's an excellent chance that the Oilers are left with nothing from this...
Spooner doesn't carry the stigma of having been traded one-for-one for Jordan Eberle at least...It will be easier to carry the comparison to Ryan Strome. That's probably part of the appeal for Chiarelli too, as I'm sure he'd love that comparison to end too.
I was listening to the latest 31 Thoughts podcast this morning on the way to work and they were discussing John Stevens and the Hagelin/Pearson trade. Marek mentioned that old-school thinking was that you should give your head coach a trade to see if that changes things for the team before you fire the head coach...the Oilers are pretty stuck in old school thinking, so maybe this is one step closer to the end of McLellan's reign of error over the bench?
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Adam
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| HamBlaster wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 16:50 |
Nah, Strome is just terrible. Spooner has had some decent seasons.
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Their peak season isn't much different. Strome had 50 points in 2014-15, Spooner 49 points in 2015-16.
Strome is 0.45 points per game though over his career, to 0.55 for Spooner. Neither is going to light the world on fire.
I don't think that Strome is junk. I think that expectations on Strome were unreasonable. He's a third line player - and a pretty decent one. He is going to score 30-35 points most seasons, and he can step up and play in the top six in a pinch. The problem for him is that the Oilers traded a first line right winger for a third liner straight up, on the hopes that his peak season wasn't a fluke and that he'd suddenly land in Edmonton as a 50+ point player who was slightly bigger and better defensively than Eberle. Management, of course, should have known better.
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Gene has to make an emergency trip to the dollar store for a big wooden spoon in prep for tomorrow nights game.
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Had missed a game for an LBI then was healthy scratched last night, but recently played on NYRs 4th line with Cody McLeod and Filip Chytil.
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It was time to move Strome. He was not a good fit at all. A fourth line player at best.
I hope the new Ryan brings something, anything to the team.
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| NetBOG wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 17:40 |
Gene has to make an emergency trip to the dollar store for a big wooden spoon in prep for tomorrow nights game.
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I'm triggered. If there was a way to throw Principe in on the deal, I would have been ecstatic. I know some like him and his whole deal, but I could do without the pregame schtick, the dumb puns, and the questions so soft they defy physics in their ability to remain intact from Gene's lips to whatever player's ears. If I never hear a question beginning with 'what's it like' or 'how good was it' or 'how did it feel' EVER again, color me happy. People in my house wonder why I'm in front of the game in the intermission and exclaiming "STFU Gene, you %*&^$$$@#!!!"
While I'm at it being triggered, if I never hear another comment from Kevin Quinn similar to "the Flames have the TENTH BEST power play at home when there's a full moon" and similar trivia, I'm smiling. Would end more profanity in my house.
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I wonder how much of this trade was PC wanting to get out from under Strome's RFA status. He's slightly overpaid at 3.1MM, so any bump to that would be a tough pill to swallow given his production and history. Spooner vs Strome is probably a wash, all things considered, but he goes UFA in 2020-21 so the Oilers can flip him at the deadline (playoffs... bahaha!) or let him walk.
Also curious if we can infer that TMac has support from the Org still. If the shiny new toy from last year is having a bad season, and gets traded instead of the coach getting fired... sure makes you wonder, especially considering some of the anti-TMac grumbling that have been floating around.
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This is the most "meh" of trades. It really does feel like the shuffling of deck chairs
Both are similar age, similar position, the salary exchanged is similar, both have similar numbers this year, both are struggling. Strome was a right hand shot, and the Oilers have very few of those in their Top-9 (only Chiasson and Rattie). Strome was better defensively, probably has less offensive upside, the PK took a hit, but the PP may have gotten a boost.
What this really feels like to me? Trying to get Milan Lucic going. Which is a whole different discussion, but they just went out and got a centre Lucic has had success with in the past. I would have to imagine Spooner will be the 3C, because who else are the Oilers going to play there?
In any case, I don't think the Oilers are likely to get much worse out of this trade, but I don't know if they'll get much better either. I can't really remember a memorable moment from Strome's time here, so I won't miss him, but time will tell how memorable Spooner will be here.
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| RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 14:32 |
| Xombie wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 15:05 |
I consider myself an optimist when it comes to the Oilers.
But this deal will be another fail for Chia unless Spooner significantly outscores Strome.
When trading centres, the righty is always more valuable. It has to do with faceoffs.
Lucic likes Spooner? Well didn't Connor billet with the Stromes or play with Dylan in the OHL?
I would also love it if Chia could trade with more teams than just the three New York clubs.
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So what good does a right shooting center do if they don't score any points and isn't a good skater?
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Well it's a face off thing. Like a south paw pitcher in baseball. Strome was a serviceable penalty killer. Faceoffs are important on the pk. Especially on a certain side of the ice. I seem to remember you got in an epic face off debate on here. Can't recall if you were pro or con reguarding the importance of faceoffs.
I can't argue with any of you guys, Strome was doing very very very little. If Spooner scores more (at all) this trade's a win. I remember in the old days a trade would sometimes shake up a team. I hope it lights a fire under the Oil!
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I think this move is also made possible because they think that right shot center Marody can do the job Strome is doing with more potential. Spooner was on the outs with his coach for not commiting fully to defence on a consistent basis. Let's hope he's not a liability on the ice. Worth the gamble if he is fast and can find open ice with our top six. I am optimistic about Marody playing solid in that role, but don't see Spooner renewing a contract here. Hope they both step up and grab the opportunity.
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I like the trade. Don't know a tonne about Spooner, but Strome was so snakebit here it was insane to watch. He did have an awesome wrist shot I wish he'd use more. This team is so full of holes, that guys like Strome get exposed way to often, just like Eberle did. (too soft, playoffs...so on). Need to make a few more moves yet....Like on D.
Glad Koskinen is getting the nod against the F-Lames.
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 18:16 |
| NetBOG wrote on Fri, 16 November 2018 17:40 |
Gene has to make an emergency trip to the dollar store for a big wooden spoon in prep for tomorrow nights game.
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I'm triggered. If there was a way to throw Principe in on the deal, I would have been ecstatic. I know some like him and his whole deal, but I could do without the pregame schtick, the dumb puns, and the questions so soft they defy physics in their ability to remain intact from Gene's lips to whatever player's ears. If I never hear a question beginning with 'what's it like' or 'how good was it' or 'how did it feel' EVER again, color me happy. People in my house wonder why I'm in front of the game in the intermission and exclaiming "STFU Gene, you %*&^$$$@#!!!"
While I'm at it being triggered, if I never hear another comment from Kevin Quinn similar to "the Flames have the TENTH BEST power play at home when there's a full moon" and similar trivia, I'm smiling. Would end more profanity in my house.
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He’s an embarrassment. I often wonder if he watches the clips of himself afterwards. Especially the side shot. It’s like he gels his hair for that wet curly look, then falls asleep on a pillow, then goes on TV.
He tries to be relevant through his puns, but the douchebaggery always outweighs the content. Every time.
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