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Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #719408]	Tue, 02 October 2018 16:28

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Sekera on LTIR, Bear recalled..

Clears way for a trade/aquisition

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-place-sekera- on-injured-reserve-bear-recalled/c-300569238?tid=281885168

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #719423 is a reply to message #719408 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 18:23

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #719427 is a reply to message #719408 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 20:42

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Freakin Getzlaf and his late hit. I wonder if Sek's knee had to be repaired with some of his Achilles tendon that ended up weakening it, leading to this injury.

In any case. Fire Chia!

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #719434 is a reply to message #719427 ]	Tue, 02 October 2018 21:42

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 02 October 2018 20:42

Freakin Getzlaf and his late hit. I wonder if Sek's knee had to be repaired with some of his Achilles tendon that ended up weakening it, leading to this injury.

In any case. Fire Chia!

I might be willing to cut Chia slack if he could pull off a deal to get a good replacement for Sek. Of course, I ain't holding my breath.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723365 is a reply to message #719434 ]	Tue, 27 November 2018 12:46

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....Sekera has a great attitude...the last thing would be to rush him back, but Weber came back for Montreal earlier than expected....Sekera would even go down to Bakersfield if it would help his rehab....

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723367 is a reply to message #723365 ]	Tue, 27 November 2018 13:09

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Quite frankly, if Sekera didn't have a good attitude and wasn't open to a conditioning stint, I would be pretty disappointed as a fan. If I worked in the organization, I would be pretty disappointed and if I was a teammate, I would be pretty disappointed. He had a major knee injury, missed an entire offseason of training, all of camp plus over half the season last year and when he came back to no ones surprise, he sucked and was actually a negative on the ice to the team. He goes out, finally gets healthy, plays at the world champs where he was decent, had almost a full offseason them blows out his achilles. So the guy has barely played, practiced or trained in 2 freaking years. He better go to the minors to play a little bit.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723378 is a reply to message #723365 ]	Tue, 27 November 2018 15:43

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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 12:46

That's pretty big of him, he's an NHL vet, and doesn't have to go that distance. Glad to hear he will though. Cool guy.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723382 is a reply to message #723378 ]	Tue, 27 November 2018 17:49

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 15:43

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 12:46

That's pretty big of him, he's an NHL vet, and doesn't have to go that distance. Glad to hear he will though. Cool guy.

At the same time, the Oilers don't need a half-assed recovery for Sekera where he's clearly a liability. We've seen that. He shouldn't come back until he's completely ready.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723385 is a reply to message #723382 ]	Tue, 27 November 2018 19:23

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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 17:49

Magnum wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 15:43

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 12:46

That's pretty big of him, he's an NHL vet, and doesn't have to go that distance. Glad to hear he will though. Cool guy.

At the same time, the Oilers don't need a half-assed recovery for Sekera where he's clearly a liability. We've seen that. He shouldn't come back until he's completely ready.

And then.....just to be sure.....another month. Or two.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723481 is a reply to message #723378 ]	Wed, 28 November 2018 12:12

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Magnum wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 15:43

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 12:46

That's pretty big of him, he's an NHL vet, and doesn't have to go that distance. Glad to hear he will though. Cool guy.

Not really that big a sacrifice. Conditioning stints are an option for players coming off long absences. There’s a time limit on it - he can only be down for two weeks - and he counts as a roster player the full time he’s down so the team has to run with 22 skaters during his time in the AHL.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725660 is a reply to message #723481 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 07:49

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....Sekera seems to be making progress....my expectations for Sekera are pretty low, but it seems like no NHL team has too many D....missing a good chunk of two seasons with pretty devastating injuries doesn't bode well for a mid-season return to the NHL IMHO, especially for a 32- year-old...nevertheless, Sekera has worked hard to get back to playing...coming in at mid-season will be tough, though;maybe not helpful to the team....

https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-d-sekera-could-return-in-january-1 .1229866

...."Edmonton Oilers defenceman Andrej Sekera has shed his non-contact jersey in practice and appears to be getting closer to making his season debut after tearing his Achilles tendon last summer.

Sekera underwent surgery on the injury, which was incurred off-season training, in August and was not given a timeline for recovery."....

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725663 is a reply to message #725660 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 09:00

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GabbyDugan wrote on Fri, 21 December 2018 08:49

I trust the coach we have now to only play him if he WILL help the team, not like the previous coach who would play him no matter what.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723379 is a reply to message #719408 ]	Tue, 27 November 2018 15:50

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It's standard operating procedure for a player returning from long term injury to go to the AHL for a rehab stint, but it has a CBA defined time limit. If they want to keep him down longer, he would have to clear waivers.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723465 is a reply to message #723379 ]	Wed, 28 November 2018 09:09

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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 27 November 2018 15:50

It's standard operating procedure for a player returning from long term injury to go to the AHL for a rehab stint, but it has a CBA defined time limit. If they want to keep him down longer, he would have to clear waivers.

Could that be a loophole to get out of his NMC? Healthy, Sekera is a top 4 guy, but he's barely played hockey the past 1.5 seasons... with his age and injuries, I would try everything in my power to cut bait asap. Maybe make a backroom deal with a team saying if the pick him up off waivers we will overpay on a trade with them?

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723466 is a reply to message #723465 ]	Wed, 28 November 2018 09:25

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The Oilers need NHL d men. If Sek can get back up to speed and fill a 3rd pair roll, that will go a long way to any potential playoff push this team might have. A lot of if's there, but man we could sure use another experienced D man. Glass half full?

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723468 is a reply to message #723466 ]	Wed, 28 November 2018 10:25

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Sekera was a good D-man, but I don't like the odds of him bouncing back, and Sekera at 75% puts him on the 3rd pairing with a 5.5MM cap hit and NMC for 2 more years when we are already up against the cap... and that does not even begin to factor in the potentially having to protect him in an expansion draft. If there's a buyer, I say sell. If we are in contention at the deadline, make a trade for a 3 pairing guy with a better contract.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723470 is a reply to message #723468 ]	Wed, 28 November 2018 11:03

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ziltoid wrote on Wed, 28 November 2018 10:25

His string of injuries is scream "Ryan Whitney" to me. I hope he proves me wrong, but I think Sek's remaining time in the NHL is limited.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #723477 is a reply to message #723470 ]	Wed, 28 November 2018 11:33

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 28 November 2018 11:03

ziltoid wrote on Wed, 28 November 2018 10:25

His string of injuries is scream "Ryan Whitney" to me. I hope he proves me wrong, but I think Sek's remaining time in the NHL is limited.

Agreed, though 2 years and a NMC means things could get ugly if he tries to play out his contract. Doubt he'd retire and walk away from 11MM; also doubt he'd go the Ference route and stay on the LTIR. Maybe Fayne 2.0, riding out his deal in the minors, hoping to get another contract at the end of it? I can't recall of any 30+ year olds that got sent down and resurrected their career afterwards.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725662 is a reply to message #719408 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 08:44

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Can someone who is SMRT explain what the Oilers would have to do with the cap to even get Sekera back in the lineup? He has a $5,500,000 salary. This is what I'm seeing on CapFriendly right now. What does current and deadline cap space mean?

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725671 is a reply to message #725662 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 09:41

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I heard yesterday that when he came back last year, his knee wasn't totally right and the brace he had to wear restricted him. It was pretty clear he wasn't close because he could do nothing. Now apparently his knee is really good, no brace, full mobility. So then we move onto the achillies. What I am LOVING is Sekera, not anyone else is saying repeatedly how he wants to go to the AHL to play first. That is music to my ears and exactly what should happen. Why more NHLers don't do a conditioning stint after having a major injury is baffling to me. You aren't there for a long time, just a couple of weeks to get the legs moving and the hands going in a lesser league instead of trying to go from zero too 100 immediately.

My expectation level for him is pretty low given how little he has played in the last 2 seasons and the fact he has had 2 major injuries but if he plays in the AHL for a bit, maybe he can at least be a serviceable 3rd pairing guy which is more than he was last year.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725672 is a reply to message #725671 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 10:17

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 December 2018 10:41

I agree with you 100%
IF he has even a semblance of his former mobility I am sure he can't be worse than Benning, Garrison, Wideman and likely Jones and Gravel.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725673 is a reply to message #725672 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 10:29

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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 21 December 2018 10:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 December 2018 10:41

I agree with you 100%
IF he has even a semblance of his former mobility I am sure he can't be worse than Benning, Garrison, Wideman and likely Jones and Gravel.

Putting my doctor hat on, you have to think that this injury should be easier for him to come back from. I imagine the biggest barrier will be in his mind, having the courage to push his ankle to the limits to skate as hard as he knows he can. Come on Sek! Be at least 70% of 16/17 Sek again!

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725676 is a reply to message #725673 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 11:22

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 21 December 2018 10:29

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 21 December 2018 10:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 December 2018 10:41

I agree with you 100%
IF he has even a semblance of his former mobility I am sure he can't be worse than Benning, Garrison, Wideman and likely Jones and Gravel.

When fully healthy. If the Oilers could roll with provided Sekera is decent:
Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse - Russell
Sekera/?
That is an OK top 5.

The 6th guy is where it is an unknown to me. Just because he is right handed, I guess Benning would get the nod but he is just SOOO inconsistent. I have actually really like Gravel who has been a pleasant surprise to me. But he plays left and I definitely do not want Sekera back from an injury having to play his off side. Even with a conditioning stint, it will still be hard for him because everyone in the NHL has been playing WAY longer than him.

I wonder and I totally get it would not help the whole left-right thing. I wonder if Jones might get the nod? It's only been a few games but he's looked good. He's a left but has played the right side all year in the AHL and is doing it in the NHL and doing fine. With Sekera not being able to be full speed, having a fast guy that can move the puck could help him a lot even if he is a lefty. Benning is not fast, not quick and his puck moving is just mediocre at best.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #725687 is a reply to message #725676 ]	Fri, 21 December 2018 17:36

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You don't need to be a rightie to play RD.

Jones has looked better than Benning because he has been developed as a RD in Bako.

I don't see how anyone can argue that Benning should play over Jones. Russell is a leftie and I think you have him correctly pencilled in as the RD on the second pairing.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729138 is a reply to message #725671 ]	Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

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So any updates on Sekera's health? Haven't heard a peep since it was announced back in December that he had stopped wearing the non-contact practice jerseys and willing to go to Bakersfield for some rehab work ( of course, that would mean he needs to be put on the roster, along with his salary cap hit. Is there any way the Oilers can manage that?)

Interesting that the IIHF World Championships will be held in Sekera's homeland of Slovakia May10-26 this year. I'm sure Slovakia would love to have Sekera in the tournament, and Sekera, health permitting, would probably want to play in the tournament (pending the Oilers getting past the first playoff round, of course).

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729139 is a reply to message #729138 ]	Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

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GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

More cryptic comments from Stauffer, saying today that if it didn't work, they could LTIR the rest of his contract...but that was in response to someone asking what happens if he doesn't come back. It's not really clear what's happening there.

I think the player wants to come back...can't see why he'd be skating line rushes etc. with the team if he didn't think his recovery was on track...

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729154 is a reply to message #729139 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 08:20

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Adam wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

I think they are giving him the lupul special.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729159 is a reply to message #729154 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 11:01

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Mullet wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 08:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

I think they are giving him the lupul special.

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Would make some of the peculiar pick ups this season make a little more sense if you weren't concerned about fitting Sekera's salary back in.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729165 is a reply to message #729159 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 11:35

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 11:01

Mullet wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 08:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

I think they are giving him the lupul special.

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Would make some of the peculiar pick ups this season make a little more sense if you weren't concerned about fitting Sekera's salary back in.

This could easily be the case. I don't like to see it but at the same time, the Oilers didn't cause him to get injured. It's a pretty hard pill to swallow for the Oilers to have a dman blow out his knee 1 year, then the achilies the next year. I don't see how a lot of guys, especially a guy in his 30's comes back from that to the point he can be effective in the NHL. Yet the Oilers would be punished for something that wasn't their fault.

The Oilers have done a lot of stupid things but Sekera getting hurt 2 years in a row with MAJOR, career altering injuries isn't their fault. It's a little cold hearted but at the same time the contracts are structures so they favor the player. Guaranteed money, they are typically tough to get out of or move, most of it isn't performance based so there isn't a ton a team can do if the player fails to live up to a contract. If a players decides not to train as hard as he should have, or has an off year for any reason, the team is on the hook for that money no matter what.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729174 is a reply to message #729165 ]	Tue, 29 January 2019 21:20

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 10:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 11:01

Mullet wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 08:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

I think they are giving him the lupul special.

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Would make some of the peculiar pick ups this season make a little more sense if you weren't concerned about fitting Sekera's salary back in.

Not their fault he got hurt. But it is their fault for not replacing him for two whole summer plus two half seasons.

We’re in this hole because they moved out Eberle, Pouliot without replacing those points. And because Sekera left a huge backend gap when he was hurt, both for points and also defending our own end.

It’s not easy replacing someone like Sekera, but that’s the GM’s job.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729175 is a reply to message #729174 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 08:21

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 21:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 10:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 11:01

Mullet wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 08:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

I think they are giving him the lupul special.

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Would make some of the peculiar pick ups this season make a little more sense if you weren't concerned about fitting Sekera's salary back in.

I am talking about what to do with a guy who has had 2 major injuries in a row and if he can even play in the NHL again and you bring up not replacing him 2 seasons ago and getting rid of Eberle and Pouliot? Explain to me how these topics are related?

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729179 is a reply to message #729175 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 08:43

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 09:21

nullterm wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 21:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 10:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 11:01

Mullet wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 08:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

I think they are giving him the lupul special.

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Would make some of the peculiar pick ups this season make a little more sense if you weren't concerned about fitting Sekera's salary back in.

Relation being they both were contributing factors in a man losing his job.

Stauffer talked about Sekera on his show again yesterday, with Spector, and they aren’t even sure what’s going on. The guy is participating in practice to an extent, and hanging around the team, but the team doesn’t have cap space to activate him just to send him to Bakersfield for conditioning. They have to move out money just to allow Sek to progress in his rehab which is a PR nightmare created by Chiarelli that KG inherited.

I can’t see it happening this season, which is a shame. Even an 80% Sek is better than some of the dead weight our past GM acquired of late, the same dead weight that makes activating Sek for conditioning near impossible.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729180 is a reply to message #729179 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 09:12

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 08:43

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 09:21

nullterm wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 21:20

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 10:35

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 11:01

Mullet wrote on Tue, 29 January 2019 08:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 15:25

GabbyDugan wrote on Mon, 28 January 2019 14:46

I think they are giving him the lupul special.

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Would make some of the peculiar pick ups this season make a little more sense if you weren't concerned about fitting Sekera's salary back in.

I disagree completely. Getzlaf kneeing Sekera in the playoffs and destroying his knee was why he lost his job. Chia not replacing Sekera that first injury year was 100% stupid. Chia trading away Eberle for nothing was 100% stupid. But that has nothing to do with Sekera losing his job. If Chia covered off Sekera that first year, there wouldn't be a job to come back too. Eberle and Pouliot are forwards, they don't impact the defense.

When it comes to Sekera, he needs to stay away. Let's pretend he is 100% healthy, I do not see how he could be even 80%. He's missed ALL of camp, ALL of preseason, ALL of the regular season. Practicing and doing a conditioning stint for 2 weeks doesn't catch you up to everyone. You can't. Maybe, if he was as good as a Karlsson then MAYBE he could get to that 80% you mention just because when he is at his best, he's just SO much better than most dmen. If Sekera was 100% healthy and didn't miss anytime, at 32, he might be a good 3-4 dman. But given he missed all of the offseason, all of camp, all of preseason and then almost half of last year plus he again missed more than a month of his offseason, all of camp, all of preseason, and so far ALL of this season, you'd be lucky if he was capable of being a #6 dman. No player can miss that much hockey in 2 years at this level and come back to be effective, especially when he will be 33. I feel bad for the guy, he was a good player and a good guy but he's done.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729181 is a reply to message #729180 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 10:01

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019

When it comes to Sekera, he needs to stay away. Let's pretend he is 100% healthy, I do not see how he could be even 80%. He's missed ALL of camp, ALL of preseason, ALL of the regular season. Practicing and doing a conditioning stint for 2 weeks doesn't catch you up to everyone. You can't. Maybe, if he was as good as a Karlsson then MAYBE he could get to that 80% you mention just because when he is at his best, he's just SO much better than most dmen. If Sekera was 100% healthy and didn't miss anytime, at 32, he might be a good 3-4 dman. But given he missed all of the offseason, all of camp, all of preseason and then almost half of last year plus he again missed more than a month of his offseason, all of camp, all of preseason, and so far ALL of this season, you'd be lucky if he was capable of being a #6 dman. No player can miss that much hockey in 2 years at this level and come back to be effective, especially when he will be 33. I feel bad for the guy, he was a good player and a good guy but he's done.

I'm pretty sure they were referring to Chia losing his job, not Sekera.

As for Sekera needing to stay away, why? He doesn't owe the Oilers anything. I dont understand why we treat athletes and sports teams like some sort of special class. Sekera is an employee and the Oilers are his employer. If he feels like he's ready to play, the doctors have cleared him and the Oilers are keeping him from playing because they messed up the cap situation, then that's on the Oilers not Sekera. It's not his responsibility to bail out the Oilers. You wouldn't accept this from your employer, I'm not sure why you expect a hockey player to do the same.

As for Sekera being done, again, that's not your decision to make and it's not the Oilers' decision, Sekera gets to decide when he's done. He has a guaranteed contract and a no movement clause that were negotiated in good faith. The Oilers don't have to play him, they can sit him in the press box if they want. But it sure looks like they're making decisions on whether to activate Sekera or not based on the cap and not on readiness. And that's a pretty bad look for the Oilers imo.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729182 is a reply to message #729181 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 10:26

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Goose wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019

I agree with this one. The employee is under no obligation to fix problems the employer caused by breaking his contract. The union should have hammered the Leafs over this and they should fight tooth and nail to protect Sekera from the Oilers. If this were my union I'd be fighting on the grounds that they are limiting Sekera in the present and the future, in terms of earning potential, by playing these games.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729184 is a reply to message #729182 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 10:42

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:26

Goose wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:01

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019

It's not like they would be tearing up his contract and not paying him. He could go on LTIR and get all his money. Maybe I am wrong and he's a freak of nature but I don't see how someone can miss just about 2 years of hockey and just jump back in and be fine and up to speed. If it was an arm injury then sure, I could see it. But 2 major leg injuries in a row?

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729186 is a reply to message #729184 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 10:57

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:42

Considering he couldn't even turn to the left properly after he came back from his first injury, this is a very valid point. Watching him on his return it was obvious that he was playing far below his abilities and unable to perform competitively. In the NHL that is a simple recipe for disaster - Hemsky and Souray come to mind. Another player "developed" by the Oilers into a worthless asset.

As for the original injury, I recall watching Sekera going up the ice holding the puck, delaying for the Oilers to line change, and saw the target rings growing on him. I hollered "Dump it in, dump it in" and then he got annihilated. No one to blame but Sekera and I hate hate hate Getzlaf. Career ended possibly because he wasn't prepared for playoff intensity?

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729188 is a reply to message #729184 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 11:09

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:42

You're arguing two different points here. The former, "he can just go on LTIR" is wrong and should be a contract violation (although I can't be bothered to read the CBA or the standard player contract and I certainly don't know any clauses unique to Sekera). LTIR is not the same as coming back to play, even at lesser quality, except in terms of pay. Sekera is under no obligation to do this, and shouldn't allow this.

The second point is correct, but completely irrelevant to contract. It doesn't matter if he's is as good as he once was OR isn't good enough to be a player in the NHL now, he has a contract that was signed in good faith backed by a CBA, also signed in good faith. Now, the Oilers do have options if Sekera isn't good enough, but it's limited to a buy out now.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729189 is a reply to message #729188 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 11:16

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 11:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:42

Fate has a funny way of giving declining players soft tissue injuries or rashes that are difficult to see but make it nearly impossible to play hockey though.

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Re: Sekera (Officially) put on LTIR [message #729191 is a reply to message #729189 ]	Wed, 30 January 2019 11:25

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 11:16

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 11:09

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 30 January 2019 10:42

Fate has a funny way of giving declining players soft tissue injuries or rashes that are difficult to see but make it nearly impossible to play hockey though.

It sure does, but only if those soft tissue issues or rashes are noticeable by the player.

I should mention that my opinion is based on Sekera wanting to continue to play. If he's happy to "retire" more power to him. But if he wants to keep playing, the Oilers should be held to their obligations.

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