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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713527 is a reply to message #713526 ]
Mon, 16 April 2018 11:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:32

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:25

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

Have we missed the playoffs next year yet?

Yup.

2020 doesn't look good either.


Curious how the master plan looks that gets us the Cup in 5 years as Chia told season ticket holders.

2019 - scrape in to playoffs...maybe? Get brushed aside
2020 - win one round. We're back to where we were last year.
2021 - win two rounds. Lose in the conference finals. Final 4 ain't bad, right?
2023 - win three rounds, lose in Finals.
2024 - We are the Champions!

Seems...very linear.


Wha? The 5 year plan starts now? I thought we are entering year 4 of his 5 year plan. He sold an 8 year plan to Nicholson when he was hired?


No, it's the original 5 year plan, just shifted to year 4 due to the players failing to execute. Totally not his fault and nothing he could have done to prevent it.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713530 is a reply to message #713527 ]
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Goose wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:40

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:32

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:25

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

Have we missed the playoffs next year yet?

Yup.

2020 doesn't look good either.


Curious how the master plan looks that gets us the Cup in 5 years as Chia told season ticket holders.

2019 - scrape in to playoffs...maybe? Get brushed aside
2020 - win one round. We're back to where we were last year.
2021 - win two rounds. Lose in the conference finals. Final 4 ain't bad, right?
2023 - win three rounds, lose in Finals.
2024 - We are the Champions!

Seems...very linear.


Wha? The 5 year plan starts now? I thought we are entering year 4 of his 5 year plan. He sold an 8 year plan to Nicholson when he was hired?


No, it's the original 5 year plan, just shifted to year 4 due to the players failing to execute. Totally not his fault and nothing he could have done to prevent it.


Implying there was ever a plan. The plan is lie.

Although... if it is an 8 year plan they have the perfect coach for it.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713534 is a reply to message #713530 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:59

Goose wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:40

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:32

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:25

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

Have we missed the playoffs next year yet?

Yup.

2020 doesn't look good either.


Curious how the master plan looks that gets us the Cup in 5 years as Chia told season ticket holders.

2019 - scrape in to playoffs...maybe? Get brushed aside
2020 - win one round. We're back to where we were last year.
2021 - win two rounds. Lose in the conference finals. Final 4 ain't bad, right?
2023 - win three rounds, lose in Finals.
2024 - We are the Champions!

Seems...very linear.


Wha? The 5 year plan starts now? I thought we are entering year 4 of his 5 year plan. He sold an 8 year plan to Nicholson when he was hired?


No, it's the original 5 year plan, just shifted to year 4 due to the players failing to execute. Totally not his fault and nothing he could have done to prevent it.


Implying there was ever a plan. The plan is lie.

Although... if it is an 8 year plan they have the perfect coach for it.



Wrong! The plan was/is:

Draft McDavid, win all the games!

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713536 is a reply to message #713526 ]
Mon, 16 April 2018 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:32

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 11:25

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 10:53

Have we missed the playoffs next year yet?

Yup.

2020 doesn't look good either.


Curious how the master plan looks that gets us the Cup in 5 years as Chia told season ticket holders.

2019 - scrape in to playoffs...maybe? Get brushed aside
2020 - win one round. We're back to where we were last year.
2021 - win two rounds. Lose in the conference finals. Final 4 ain't bad, right?
2023 - win three rounds, lose in Finals.
2024 - We are the Champions!

Seems...very linear.


Wha? The 5 year plan starts now? I thought we are entering year 4 of his 5 year plan. He sold an 8 year plan to Nicholson when he was hired?


Yes - that's what people were saying a couple months back. There was a season ticket holder's availability and Chiarelli told people that he saw the Oilers being Cup Champs in 5 years.

He's a patient man, that Pete. Why rush to get to the Championship? Can you imagine what expectations that would create if the team actually won a Cup? It could be crushing on all of them. Much better to take small, slow steps...and occasionally huge steps backwards.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713533 is a reply to message #697128 ]
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What is Drake Cagguila's qualifying offer? I have a bit of a problem with him at 1.5M.

Oilers are already (reportedly) losing Slepyshev, so losing both chips away at some already shaky depth. But that said, Cagguila at 1.5 and Kassian at 2 is far too much for fourth line wingers... and that's all they are.

I take a little bit of an issue with the fancy stats crowd that says the Cagguila isn't an NHLer, but Slepyshev is a top-6 winger. I see them both similarly, although it could be argued Cagguila has gotten greater opportunity (and took more advantage of his opportunity).

Cagguila is an NHLer, but a fourth liner, and while he is great at under a million, I don't love the thought of him at 1.5 and that much money going to him. I might not budge much off the QO if I'm Chiarelli.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713535 is a reply to message #713533 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 12:55

What is Drake Cagguila's qualifying offer? I have a bit of a problem with him at 1.5M.

Oilers are already (reportedly) losing Slepyshev, so losing both chips away at some already shaky depth. But that said, Cagguila at 1.5 and Kassian at 2 is far too much for fourth line wingers... and that's all they are.

I take a little bit of an issue with the fancy stats crowd that says the Cagguila isn't an NHLer, but Slepyshev is a top-6 winger. I see them both similarly, although it could be argued Cagguila has gotten greater opportunity (and took more advantage of his opportunity).

Cagguila is an NHLer, but a fourth liner, and while he is great at under a million, I don't love the thought of him at 1.5 and that much money going to him. I might not budge much off the QO if I'm Chiarelli.


Want to bet another drink on the over/under for this contract?

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713539 is a reply to message #713535 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 13:42

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 12:55

What is Drake Cagguila's qualifying offer? I have a bit of a problem with him at 1.5M.

Oilers are already (reportedly) losing Slepyshev, so losing both chips away at some already shaky depth. But that said, Cagguila at 1.5 and Kassian at 2 is far too much for fourth line wingers... and that's all they are.

I take a little bit of an issue with the fancy stats crowd that says the Cagguila isn't an NHLer, but Slepyshev is a top-6 winger. I see them both similarly, although it could be argued Cagguila has gotten greater opportunity (and took more advantage of his opportunity).

Cagguila is an NHLer, but a fourth liner, and while he is great at under a million, I don't love the thought of him at 1.5 and that much money going to him. I might not budge much off the QO if I'm Chiarelli.


Want to bet another drink on the over/under for this contract?


I think he's over, for what it's worth. Which doesn't interest me.

Things Cagguila has going for him with Chia;

Is a Chia signing and came from the College ranks. Scored 13 goals last season, not bad for a 3rd/4th liner. Plays bigger than he is.

Things that work against him;
Isn't an option for special teams. Not overly quick. *SPECULATION* Perhaps not the best team guy, based on his twitter like of a negative Puljujarvi post.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713542 is a reply to message #713539 ]
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OilMJMOil wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 14:00

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 13:42

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 12:55

What is Drake Cagguila's qualifying offer? I have a bit of a problem with him at 1.5M.

Oilers are already (reportedly) losing Slepyshev, so losing both chips away at some already shaky depth. But that said, Cagguila at 1.5 and Kassian at 2 is far too much for fourth line wingers... and that's all they are.

I take a little bit of an issue with the fancy stats crowd that says the Cagguila isn't an NHLer, but Slepyshev is a top-6 winger. I see them both similarly, although it could be argued Cagguila has gotten greater opportunity (and took more advantage of his opportunity).

Cagguila is an NHLer, but a fourth liner, and while he is great at under a million, I don't love the thought of him at 1.5 and that much money going to him. I might not budge much off the QO if I'm Chiarelli.


Want to bet another drink on the over/under for this contract?


I think he's over, for what it's worth. Which doesn't interest me.

Things Cagguila has going for him with Chia;

Is a Chia signing and came from the College ranks. Scored 13 goals last season, not bad for a 3rd/4th liner. Plays bigger than he is.

Things that work against him;
Isn't an option for special teams. Not overly quick. *SPECULATION* Perhaps not the best team guy, based on his twitter like of a negative Puljujarvi post.


I thought that post was more negative on the coaching decisions than it was on Puljujarvi...although he did benefit from those decisions, getting WAAAAY more first PP unit time than #98, and 17 more PP minutes (65-48) overall.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713544 is a reply to message #713542 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 14:26

OilMJMOil wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 14:00

Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 13:42

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 12:55

What is Drake Cagguila's qualifying offer? I have a bit of a problem with him at 1.5M.

Oilers are already (reportedly) losing Slepyshev, so losing both chips away at some already shaky depth. But that said, Cagguila at 1.5 and Kassian at 2 is far too much for fourth line wingers... and that's all they are.

I take a little bit of an issue with the fancy stats crowd that says the Cagguila isn't an NHLer, but Slepyshev is a top-6 winger. I see them both similarly, although it could be argued Cagguila has gotten greater opportunity (and took more advantage of his opportunity).

Cagguila is an NHLer, but a fourth liner, and while he is great at under a million, I don't love the thought of him at 1.5 and that much money going to him. I might not budge much off the QO if I'm Chiarelli.


Want to bet another drink on the over/under for this contract?


I think he's over, for what it's worth. Which doesn't interest me.

Things Cagguila has going for him with Chia;

Is a Chia signing and came from the College ranks. Scored 13 goals last season, not bad for a 3rd/4th liner. Plays bigger than he is.

Things that work against him;
Isn't an option for special teams. Not overly quick. *SPECULATION* Perhaps not the best team guy, based on his twitter like of a negative Puljujarvi post.


I thought that post was more negative on the coaching decisions than it was on Puljujarvi...although he did benefit from those decisions, getting WAAAAY more first PP unit time than #98, and 17 more PP minutes (65-48) overall.


That could be, I took it as Puljujarvi dislike. Either way, I think Drake is what he is and anything over 1.5M is an overpayment.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713546 is a reply to message #713535 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 13:42

mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 12:55

What is Drake Cagguila's qualifying offer? I have a bit of a problem with him at 1.5M.

Oilers are already (reportedly) losing Slepyshev, so losing both chips away at some already shaky depth. But that said, Cagguila at 1.5 and Kassian at 2 is far too much for fourth line wingers... and that's all they are.

I take a little bit of an issue with the fancy stats crowd that says the Cagguila isn't an NHLer, but Slepyshev is a top-6 winger. I see them both similarly, although it could be argued Cagguila has gotten greater opportunity (and took more advantage of his opportunity).

Cagguila is an NHLer, but a fourth liner, and while he is great at under a million, I don't love the thought of him at 1.5 and that much money going to him. I might not budge much off the QO if I'm Chiarelli.


Want to bet another drink on the over/under for this contract?


To be honest, I would bet the over, but If I'm managing the team, I wouldn't pay him that.

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 Re: Oilers Sign Ty Rattie [message #713537 is a reply to message #713533 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 16 April 2018 12:55

What is Drake Cagguila's qualifying offer? I have a bit of a problem with him at 1.5M.

Oilers are already (reportedly) losing Slepyshev, so losing both chips away at some already shaky depth. But that said, Cagguila at 1.5 and Kassian at 2 is far too much for fourth line wingers... and that's all they are.

I take a little bit of an issue with the fancy stats crowd that says the Cagguila isn't an NHLer, but Slepyshev is a top-6 winger. I see them both similarly, although it could be argued Cagguila has gotten greater opportunity (and took more advantage of his opportunity).

Cagguila is an NHLer, but a fourth liner, and while he is great at under a million, I don't love the thought of him at 1.5 and that much money going to him. I might not budge much off the QO if I'm Chiarelli.


$874,125 per CapFriendly
https://www.capfriendly.com/qualifying-offer-calculator/drak e-caggiula

Caggiula at his QO, good for depth.

To qualify Strome, we're looking at 3mil. Perhaps Chia could do what he did with Kassian last year, and negotiate a lower salary for maybe a shorter contract.

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