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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676411 is a reply to message #676409 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:17

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 01:09

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 12:43

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 10:17

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Now if only the City of Edmonton would create some parking garages at Century Park and Clareview and Belvedere to encourage Park and Ride, that would be awesome. I have no idea why they don't do this, and why they think it's a good idea to start charging for these spots too. Ideally, you want as many people taking the train as possible, and for that to happen you need to make that a more attractive option than driving (hopefully by making the train better rather than making driving worse).

Ha! You think it's a good idea to build parking at the terminus for the city's light rail system? Good luck. How exactly would that fit in with the city's goal of making driving so difficult its not even worth the effort? Take the bus, pleb. Even considering the possibility will cause two brand new stop lights (for safety) to be put up on your drive to work.


The parking price will go up quickly because the city is, once again, grossly overestimating how much their social engineering will actually work. Upwards of 1/3 of people attend from outside of Edmonton, and a lot of people won't take transit because of security (real and imagined) issues.


http://globalnews.ca/news/2910981/big-jump-in-paid-park-and- ride-stalls-at-edmonton-lrt-stations-starts-sept-1/?sf346756 15=1

I love it. I love it love it love it. This is so brilliant it's almost impossible to believe that Edmonton did it by accident. They've created an artificial supply and demand problem for space in a sprawled out "C" level prairie city. The city administration is finally removing all doubt and confirming that they do not care in the slightest about you or your commute to work. You know, work, that place where a large percentage of voters absolutely need to travel to 200 days a year? That place? Well, the city doesn't care if you get there. The city doesn't care if you drive, they don't care if you cycle, they don't care if you walk, they don't care if you take transit. Hell, the don't care if you work. You, my fellow citizen, are nothing more than a little mobile piggy bank for them to extract money from.


No worries. Just need to make sure you're up around 4:30am so you can get one of the remaining free parking spots (at Century Park in my case if I wanted to attempt it, which I never would).




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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676412 is a reply to message #676411 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:36

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:17

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 01:09

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 12:43

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 10:17

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 10:04



Now if only the City of Edmonton would create some parking garages at Century Park and Clareview and Belvedere to encourage Park and Ride, that would be awesome. I have no idea why they don't do this, and why they think it's a good idea to start charging for these spots too. Ideally, you want as many people taking the train as possible, and for that to happen you need to make that a more attractive option than driving (hopefully by making the train better rather than making driving worse).

Ha! You think it's a good idea to build parking at the terminus for the city's light rail system? Good luck. How exactly would that fit in with the city's goal of making driving so difficult its not even worth the effort? Take the bus, pleb. Even considering the possibility will cause two brand new stop lights (for safety) to be put up on your drive to work.


The parking price will go up quickly because the city is, once again, grossly overestimating how much their social engineering will actually work. Upwards of 1/3 of people attend from outside of Edmonton, and a lot of people won't take transit because of security (real and imagined) issues.


http://globalnews.ca/news/2910981/big-jump-in-paid-park-and- ride-stalls-at-edmonton-lrt-stations-starts-sept-1/?sf346756 15=1

I love it. I love it love it love it. This is so brilliant it's almost impossible to believe that Edmonton did it by accident. They've created an artificial supply and demand problem for space in a sprawled out "C" level prairie city. The city administration is finally removing all doubt and confirming that they do not care in the slightest about you or your commute to work. You know, work, that place where a large percentage of voters absolutely need to travel to 200 days a year? That place? Well, the city doesn't care if you get there. The city doesn't care if you drive, they don't care if you cycle, they don't care if you walk, they don't care if you take transit. Hell, the don't care if you work. You, my fellow citizen, are nothing more than a little mobile piggy bank for them to extract money from.


No worries. Just need to make sure you're up around 4:30am so you can get one of the remaining free parking spots (at Century Park in my case if I wanted to attempt it, which I never would).



Oh right, the free spots. "We have a clear profit motive here, but need to appear like we don't... I know! A few hundred free spots that will be of no benefit to average people and a super expensive park and ride lot that is inconvenient for everyone!"



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676413 is a reply to message #676409 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:17

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 01:09

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 12:43

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 10:17

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 10:04



Now if only the City of Edmonton would create some parking garages at Century Park and Clareview and Belvedere to encourage Park and Ride, that would be awesome. I have no idea why they don't do this, and why they think it's a good idea to start charging for these spots too. Ideally, you want as many people taking the train as possible, and for that to happen you need to make that a more attractive option than driving (hopefully by making the train better rather than making driving worse).

Ha! You think it's a good idea to build parking at the terminus for the city's light rail system? Good luck. How exactly would that fit in with the city's goal of making driving so difficult its not even worth the effort? Take the bus, pleb. Even considering the possibility will cause two brand new stop lights (for safety) to be put up on your drive to work.


The parking price will go up quickly because the city is, once again, grossly overestimating how much their social engineering will actually work. Upwards of 1/3 of people attend from outside of Edmonton, and a lot of people won't take transit because of security (real and imagined) issues.


http://globalnews.ca/news/2910981/big-jump-in-paid-park-and- ride-stalls-at-edmonton-lrt-stations-starts-sept-1/?sf346756 15=1

I love it. I love it love it love it. This is so brilliant it's almost impossible to believe that Edmonton did it by accident. They've created an artificial supply and demand problem for space in a sprawled out "C" level prairie city. The city administration is finally removing all doubt and confirming that they do not care in the slightest about you or your commute to work. You know, work, that place where a large percentage of voters absolutely need to travel to 200 days a year? That place? Well, the city doesn't care if you get there. The city doesn't care if you drive, they don't care if you cycle, they don't care if you walk, they don't care if you take transit. Hell, the don't care if you work. You, my fellow citizen, are nothing more than a little mobile piggy bank for them to extract money from.


So, in order to promote use of the public transit in Edmonton, ETS/City of Edmonton has made the cost of a monthly bus pass plus a parking pass the cost of what it would be for most people to just pay to park at work. Is that right?

Bus pass is $92, parking $50, total $142. Parking at the UofA for a month is $140. So I save $2? Where is the incentive here to take mass transit? One of the benefits was/is a park and ride location. Free parking, get a bus pass, save the environment, keep ETS employees working or increase employment. Yet the YEG Council wants to gouge people just trying to do the right and cost effective thing. Yeesh.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676414 is a reply to message #676413 ]
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bigred75 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:45

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:17

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 01:09

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 12:43

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 10:17

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 18 August 2016 10:04



Now if only the City of Edmonton would create some parking garages at Century Park and Clareview and Belvedere to encourage Park and Ride, that would be awesome. I have no idea why they don't do this, and why they think it's a good idea to start charging for these spots too. Ideally, you want as many people taking the train as possible, and for that to happen you need to make that a more attractive option than driving (hopefully by making the train better rather than making driving worse).

Ha! You think it's a good idea to build parking at the terminus for the city's light rail system? Good luck. How exactly would that fit in with the city's goal of making driving so difficult its not even worth the effort? Take the bus, pleb. Even considering the possibility will cause two brand new stop lights (for safety) to be put up on your drive to work.


The parking price will go up quickly because the city is, once again, grossly overestimating how much their social engineering will actually work. Upwards of 1/3 of people attend from outside of Edmonton, and a lot of people won't take transit because of security (real and imagined) issues.


http://globalnews.ca/news/2910981/big-jump-in-paid-park-and- ride-stalls-at-edmonton-lrt-stations-starts-sept-1/?sf346756 15=1

I love it. I love it love it love it. This is so brilliant it's almost impossible to believe that Edmonton did it by accident. They've created an artificial supply and demand problem for space in a sprawled out "C" level prairie city. The city administration is finally removing all doubt and confirming that they do not care in the slightest about you or your commute to work. You know, work, that place where a large percentage of voters absolutely need to travel to 200 days a year? That place? Well, the city doesn't care if you get there. The city doesn't care if you drive, they don't care if you cycle, they don't care if you walk, they don't care if you take transit. Hell, the don't care if you work. You, my fellow citizen, are nothing more than a little mobile piggy bank for them to extract money from.


So, in order to promote use of the public transit in Edmonton, ETS/City of Edmonton has made the cost of a monthly bus pass plus a parking pass the cost of what it would be for most people to just pay to park at work. Is that right?

Bus pass is $92, parking $50, total $142. Parking at the UofA for a month is $140. So I save $2? Where is the incentive here to take mass transit? One of the benefits was/is a park and ride location. Free parking, get a bus pass, save the environment, keep ETS employees working or increase employment. Yet the YEG Council wants to gouge people just trying to do the right and cost effective thing. Yeesh.



Guess you save on gas, insurance (can say you don't use your car for commute to save), and car maintenance :)

I agree with you both though, the lack of parking around stations is a joke, it was already a joke, but now it's a bigger one with all the free spots taken away. Wonder if park and rides they make will just be paid parking off the bat icon_dead



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So, in order to promote use of the public transit in Edmonton, ETS/City of Edmonton has made the cost of a monthly bus pass plus a parking pass the cost of what it would be for most people to just pay to park at work. Is that right?

Bus pass is $92, parking $50, total $142. Parking at the UofA for a month is $140. So I save $2? Where is the incentive here to take mass transit? One of the benefits was/is a park and ride location. Free parking, get a bus pass, save the environment, keep ETS employees working or increase employment. Yet the YEG Council wants to gouge people just trying to do the right and cost effective thing. Yeesh.



Didn't the UofA and the Student Union foist mandatory transit on all students and employees? You should have a transit pass anyway.

It's just a joke downtown. The city has purposely choked out traffic to make it difficult to travel downtown, then take away any financial gain of actually making that exact change. Transit is already subsidized with a full 20% of the total city budget and they just took even more people who are actually paying out of pocket for the service out of the system.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 12:39

bigred75 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:45



So, in order to promote use of the public transit in Edmonton, ETS/City of Edmonton has made the cost of a monthly bus pass plus a parking pass the cost of what it would be for most people to just pay to park at work. Is that right?

Bus pass is $92, parking $50, total $142. Parking at the UofA for a month is $140. So I save $2? Where is the incentive here to take mass transit? One of the benefits was/is a park and ride location. Free parking, get a bus pass, save the environment, keep ETS employees working or increase employment. Yet the YEG Council wants to gouge people just trying to do the right and cost effective thing. Yeesh.



Didn't the UofA and the Student Union foist mandatory transit on all students and employees? You should have a transit pass anyway.

It's just a joke downtown. The city has purposely choked out traffic to make it difficult to travel downtown, then take away any financial gain of actually making that exact change. Transit is already subsidized with a full 20% of the total city budget and they just took even more people who are actually paying out of pocket for the service out of the system.

This is the end result of politicians who value ideology over reality. Feels over Reals: A 2016 Story starring damn near everything political in the province of Alberta.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676439 is a reply to message #676423 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 12:29

This is the end result of politicians who value ideology over reality. Feels over Reals: A 2016 Story starring damn near everything political in the province of Alberta.


I hate to be the one to state the obvious here, but this type of thing was inevitable from the second the arena deal was signed. Now that it's almost done, the City alone has paid out almost $600M to build the thing (that they're admitting to). The CRL always was and still is a shell game, there's been no ticket tax money as of yet, and Katz doesn't need to start repaying his portion that the City fronted him until the doors are open and the arena is actually generating revenues. God forbid the City get a portion of whatever ridiculous amount of money that Rogers paid to put their name up on the thing (even though the City has probably also had to pay to actually put the sign up on the wall).

For a City with annual revenues of about $2.5B, that's a not insignificant amount of money they've had to shell out over the past two years (yes I know they probably borrowed most of it, but do you think the bank is willing to wait for Katz to start paying the City back before they start requiring repayment?). That money has to come from somewhere. User fees are the new panacea for politicians that don't want to raise taxes. The BC Liberals here have managed to perpetuate a multi-year scam of having balanced budgets without raising taxes by increasing user fee costs on everything from car insurance (yes we still have government run auto insurance here) to healthcare (yes, we pay a monthly fee for our "universal" healthcare here in BC that I thought was guaranteed to all Canadians).



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Goose wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 23:12

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 12:29

This is the end result of politicians who value ideology over reality. Feels over Reals: A 2016 Story starring damn near everything political in the province of Alberta.


I hate to be the one to state the obvious here, but this type of thing was inevitable from the second the arena deal was signed. Now that it's almost done, the City alone has paid out almost $600M to build the thing (that they're admitting to). The CRL always was and still is a shell game, there's been no ticket tax money as of yet, and Katz doesn't need to start repaying his portion that the City fronted him until the doors are open and the arena is actually generating revenues. God forbid the City get a portion of whatever ridiculous amount of money that Rogers paid to put their name up on the thing (even though the City has probably also had to pay to actually put the sign up on the wall).

For a City with annual revenues of about $2.5B, that's a not insignificant amount of money they've had to shell out over the past two years (yes I know they probably borrowed most of it, but do you think the bank is willing to wait for Katz to start paying the City back before they start requiring repayment?). That money has to come from somewhere. User fees are the new panacea for politicians that don't want to raise taxes. The BC Liberals here have managed to perpetuate a multi-year scam of having balanced budgets without raising taxes by increasing user fee costs on everything from car insurance (yes we still have government run auto insurance here) to healthcare (yes, we pay a monthly fee for our "universal" healthcare here in BC that I thought was guaranteed to all Canadians).


I can't agree with that argument. Sometimes doing the right thing is still better for your citizens than worrying about municipal debt, which it already has.



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bigred75 wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 07:53

Goose wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 23:12

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 12:29

This is the end result of politicians who value ideology over reality. Feels over Reals: A 2016 Story starring damn near everything political in the province of Alberta.


I hate to be the one to state the obvious here, but this type of thing was inevitable from the second the arena deal was signed. Now that it's almost done, the City alone has paid out almost $600M to build the thing (that they're admitting to). The CRL always was and still is a shell game, there's been no ticket tax money as of yet, and Katz doesn't need to start repaying his portion that the City fronted him until the doors are open and the arena is actually generating revenues. God forbid the City get a portion of whatever ridiculous amount of money that Rogers paid to put their name up on the thing (even though the City has probably also had to pay to actually put the sign up on the wall).

For a City with annual revenues of about $2.5B, that's a not insignificant amount of money they've had to shell out over the past two years (yes I know they probably borrowed most of it, but do you think the bank is willing to wait for Katz to start paying the City back before they start requiring repayment?). That money has to come from somewhere. User fees are the new panacea for politicians that don't want to raise taxes. The BC Liberals here have managed to perpetuate a multi-year scam of having balanced budgets without raising taxes by increasing user fee costs on everything from car insurance (yes we still have government run auto insurance here) to healthcare (yes, we pay a monthly fee for our "universal" healthcare here in BC that I thought was guaranteed to all Canadians).


I can't agree with that argument. Sometimes doing the right thing is still better for your citizens than worrying about municipal debt, which it already has.



Sorry, I'm not understanding. You don't agree that the City paid the costs for the arena up front, and that money has to come from somewhere so things like parking fees may get raised to cover it?

Or you don't agree that the City should be raising parking fees to cover the cost of the debt service? Where should that money come from then?

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 13:29

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 12:39

bigred75 wrote on Wed, 31 August 2016 08:45



So, in order to promote use of the public transit in Edmonton, ETS/City of Edmonton has made the cost of a monthly bus pass plus a parking pass the cost of what it would be for most people to just pay to park at work. Is that right?

Bus pass is $92, parking $50, total $142. Parking at the UofA for a month is $140. So I save $2? Where is the incentive here to take mass transit? One of the benefits was/is a park and ride location. Free parking, get a bus pass, save the environment, keep ETS employees working or increase employment. Yet the YEG Council wants to gouge people just trying to do the right and cost effective thing. Yeesh.



Didn't the UofA and the Student Union foist mandatory transit on all students and employees? You should have a transit pass anyway.

It's just a joke downtown. The city has purposely choked out traffic to make it difficult to travel downtown, then take away any financial gain of actually making that exact change. Transit is already subsidized with a full 20% of the total city budget and they just took even more people who are actually paying out of pocket for the service out of the system.

This is the end result of politicians who value ideology over reality. Feels over Reals: A 2016 Story starring damn near everything political in the province of Alberta.


Alberta? How about the pretty much the whole country?



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So, CBC reported that apparently street parking will continued to be charged downtown during Rogers Place event nights to go along with the rates at City Hall and the Library parkades going up. I get that they need to draw on new revenue streams to help pay for the arena, but this is totally lame. icon_neutral

P.S.: At the very least, they better be increasing the time limit on nights with games/events to 3+ hours. As funny as it would be to see a ton of fans rushing out of the arena at the 2nd intermission to put more time into the toll post for parking, it would be incredibly annoying if you were one of those fans.

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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 19 August 2016 20:22

So, CBC reported that apparently street parking will continued to be charged downtown during Rogers Place event nights to go along with the rates at City Hall and the Library parkades going up. I get that they need to draw on new revenue streams to help pay for the arena, but this is totally lame. icon_neutral

P.S.: At the very least, they better be increasing the time limit on nights with games/events to 3+ hours. As funny as it would be to see a ton of fans rushing out of the arena at the 2nd intermission to put more time into the toll post for parking, it would be incredibly annoying if you were one of those fans.


It would be fairly naive to believe that they were going to do anything but raise all the parking rates downtown for the new rink. Day rates are probably going to go up, and night rates were definitely going to spike. It was an inevitability.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 21 August 2016 23:18

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 19 August 2016 20:22

So, CBC reported that apparently street parking will continued to be charged downtown during Rogers Place event nights to go along with the rates at City Hall and the Library parkades going up. I get that they need to draw on new revenue streams to help pay for the arena, but this is totally lame. icon_neutral

P.S.: At the very least, they better be increasing the time limit on nights with games/events to 3+ hours. As funny as it would be to see a ton of fans rushing out of the arena at the 2nd intermission to put more time into the toll post for parking, it would be incredibly annoying if you were one of those fans.


It would be fairly naive to believe that they were going to do anything but raise all the parking rates downtown for the new rink. Day rates are probably going to go up, and night rates were definitely going to spike. It was an inevitability.

If it costs less to use an Impark lot than to use street meters, you will know that things have gone totally nuts.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 22 August 2016 12:44

Adam wrote on Sun, 21 August 2016 23:18

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 19 August 2016 20:22

So, CBC reported that apparently street parking will continued to be charged downtown during Rogers Place event nights to go along with the rates at City Hall and the Library parkades going up. I get that they need to draw on new revenue streams to help pay for the arena, but this is totally lame. icon_neutral

P.S.: At the very least, they better be increasing the time limit on nights with games/events to 3+ hours. As funny as it would be to see a ton of fans rushing out of the arena at the 2nd intermission to put more time into the toll post for parking, it would be incredibly annoying if you were one of those fans.


It would be fairly naive to believe that they were going to do anything but raise all the parking rates downtown for the new rink. Day rates are probably going to go up, and night rates were definitely going to spike. It was an inevitability.

If it costs less to use an Impark lot than to use street meters, you will know that things have gone totally nuts.


Don't worry about that...Impark will never let that happen! I expect they're going to raise rates during events too...



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676378 is a reply to message #676377 ]
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Wow, that looks fantastic.
Now we just need an on-ice product to match deadhorse

Outside looking awesome too:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clm82KeWkAAGTsL.jpg

Lots more pics here: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=122355& page=430

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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676436 is a reply to message #625456 ]
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Anyone checking out the Open House? I'm going on the 10th at 1:00 pm.


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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676447 is a reply to message #625456 ]
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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676449 is a reply to message #676447 ]
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I'm hoping McDavid is contemplating scoring 700 points or better on this ice in his Oiler career....not including playoffs.

I'm also hoping the snow-shovel crew they had at rexall babysitting that crap that some still somehow still called the best ice in the league is for the most part out of work (or at least working at something else part time). I imagine they're still going to come out and do their thing at some point, just not at each and every extended commercial break.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676452 is a reply to message #676449 ]
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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 14:56

I'm hoping McDavid is contemplating scoring 700 points or better on this ice in his Oiler career....not including playoffs.

I'm also hoping the snow-shovel crew they had at rexall babysitting that crap that some still somehow still called the best ice in the league is for the most part out of work (or at least working at something else part time). I imagine they're still going to come out and do their thing at some point, just not at each and every extended commercial break.


I think the snow shovel crew is standard in all rinks now. It's basically like a mini-zamboni a couple times a period.

I would be shocked if they're not there.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676451 is a reply to message #676447 ]
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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676453 is a reply to message #676451 ]
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I'm a little concerned about the Oilers starting to create a Cult of McDavid with things like this whole "first guy on the ice" schtick. Are we going to see them make the same mistakes with McDavid that they did with Hall/Eberle/Nugent-Hopkins, where they make it seem like there's them - and then the rest of the team? Everyone in the dressing room knows that McDavid is their best player, but it's still a team, so if it's Oilers-related, I'd prefer not to see him singled out.


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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676454 is a reply to message #676453 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 14:24

I'm a little concerned about the Oilers starting to create a Cult of McDavid with things like this whole "first guy on the ice" schtick. Are we going to see them make the same mistakes with McDavid that they did with Hall/Eberle/Nugent-Hopkins, where they make it seem like there's them - and then the rest of the team? Everyone in the dressing room knows that McDavid is their best player, but it's still a team, so if it's Oilers-related, I'd prefer not to see him singled out.


Agreed. Out on the east coast, a dejected Taylor Hall thinks he should have been the first on the ice. cry boom



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676455 is a reply to message #676453 ]
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There is a picture on page 451 of that skyscraper.ca arena thread showing McDavid and what looks like Nugent-Hopkins, Sekera, and two other adult-size people(or someone wearing #93, someone wearing #2, and someone wearing #50) in Oiler uniforms along with a bunch of either really short adults or kids :-)


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Sorry, that is "skyscraperpage.com", not what I originally typed. The link was earlier in the arena thread.


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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676457 is a reply to message #676456 ]
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Yeah Edmonton Minor Hockey did a draw to pick a team to come be the first to skate on Rogers Place ice.

That or McLellan wanted an early practice for playing against Johnny Gaudreau sized players.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676458 is a reply to message #676457 ]
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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676460 is a reply to message #676458 ]
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Gator21 wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 18:19



Sure beats the pants off Rexall food!


Menu looks like a first overall pick! (hopefully doesn't end up in the toilet)



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676461 is a reply to message #676460 ]
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nullterm wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 20:08

Gator21 wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 18:19



Sure beats the pants off Rexall food!


Menu looks like a first overall pick! (hopefully doesn't end up in the toilet)


Yeah, hopefully it's a McDavid quality 1st overall, not a y... oh, nevermind...

Please do good this year Yak!



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676473 is a reply to message #676453 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 15:24

I'm a little concerned about the Oilers starting to create a Cult of McDavid with things like this whole "first guy on the ice" schtick. Are we going to see them make the same mistakes with McDavid that they did with Hall/Eberle/Nugent-Hopkins, where they make it seem like there's them - and then the rest of the team? Everyone in the dressing room knows that McDavid is their best player, but it's still a team, so if it's Oilers-related, I'd prefer not to see him singled out.


You're not alone in that thinking. I know he has to be the face but any strength overdone is a weakness. They need to balance it and bring in some of the other key players. At least Nuge was there. I am so glad we didn't trade him.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676474 is a reply to message #676473 ]
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Mullet wrote on Fri, 02 September 2016 07:31

Adam wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 15:24

I'm a little concerned about the Oilers starting to create a Cult of McDavid with things like this whole "first guy on the ice" schtick. Are we going to see them make the same mistakes with McDavid that they did with Hall/Eberle/Nugent-Hopkins, where they make it seem like there's them - and then the rest of the team? Everyone in the dressing room knows that McDavid is their best player, but it's still a team, so if it's Oilers-related, I'd prefer not to see him singled out.


You're not alone in that thinking. I know he has to be the face but any strength overdone is a weakness. They need to balance it and bring in some of the other key players. At least Nuge was there. I am so glad we didn't trade him.

The Oilers are so good at winning the propaganda war it's a shame they don't get points for it in the standings. People are concerned the new arena is costing too much? Give them a free tour (possible during an Eskimos game) and put McDavid on the ice with a bunch of kids! Who won't love us after that?!?!



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676480 is a reply to message #676474 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 02 September 2016 07:23

Mullet wrote on Fri, 02 September 2016 07:31

Adam wrote on Thu, 01 September 2016 15:24

I'm a little concerned about the Oilers starting to create a Cult of McDavid with things like this whole "first guy on the ice" schtick. Are we going to see them make the same mistakes with McDavid that they did with Hall/Eberle/Nugent-Hopkins, where they make it seem like there's them - and then the rest of the team? Everyone in the dressing room knows that McDavid is their best player, but it's still a team, so if it's Oilers-related, I'd prefer not to see him singled out.


You're not alone in that thinking. I know he has to be the face but any strength overdone is a weakness. They need to balance it and bring in some of the other key players. At least Nuge was there. I am so glad we didn't trade him.

The Oilers are so good at winning the propaganda war it's a shame they don't get points for it in the standings. People are concerned the new arena is costing too much? Give them a free tour (possible during an Eskimos game) and put McDavid on the ice with a bunch of kids! Who won't love us after that?!?!


If only the hockey minds were as good as the PR ones.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676463 is a reply to message #625456 ]
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http://wpmedia.edmontonjournal.com/2016/08/rogers-place-in-downtown-edmonton-photographed-on-august-301.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1

Is the outside supposed to look like that? To me it looks like the building is wrapped (not very nicely) in aluminum foil.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676469 is a reply to message #676463 ]
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Hmm I noticed that right away before I read your comment. Maybe better in person?


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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676481 is a reply to message #625456 ]
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I'll just add a few more. Took a walk around the Ice District last night, and while you can't get too close yet (basically 104 Street and the MacEwan LRT station), it's coming together really nicely.

Also, the place is about to go bananas...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrUI1PjVMAEKrvn.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrUI1PhUAAAkuZU.jpg

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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676483 is a reply to message #676481 ]
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My baseline of snark aside, I can't believe that was built in Edmonton. As it nears completion, Rogers Place looks incredible.


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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676486 is a reply to message #676483 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 02 September 2016 13:02

My baseline of snark aside, I can't believe that was built in Edmonton. As it nears completion, Rogers Place looks incredible.


It does look amazing. All the CG/artist renders doesn't do the final product justice. Seeing it from street level built with material is awesome.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676487 is a reply to message #676486 ]
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Those are some sick pics.

I was making the 2.5 hour trek to see the inside of the arena but I will now settle for a selfie with those bananas and drive back to Calgary.



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 Re: New Arena construction! [message #676488 is a reply to message #676481 ]
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Is that a big digital display board on the west end?


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