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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674043 is a reply to message #674041 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 19:42

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people are all over his points total but look at his +/- +15 on a team that was -24. He's also never been on the PP and has not had the weapons we have to pass to. if he can get the puck up and out he doesn't need to be getting points from rushing it up the ice or been set up on the point all night. I'll be much happier not seeing a firedrill in the Edmonton end every time the opposition crosses the blue line that Hall cutting to the outside and getting knocked over.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674044 is a reply to message #674043 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 19:46

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ChasinStanley wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:42

people are all over his points total but look at his +/- +15 on a team that was -24. He's also never been on the PP and has not had the weapons we have to pass to. if he can get the puck up and out he doesn't need to be getting points from rushing it up the ice or been set up on the point all night. I'll be much happier not seeing a firedrill in the Edmonton end every time the opposition crosses the blue line that Hall cutting to the outside and getting knocked over.

Look at his d-partner!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674046 is a reply to message #674044 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 19:50

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Magnum wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:46

ChasinStanley wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:42

people are all over his points total but look at his +/- +15 on a team that was -24. He's also never been on the PP and has not had the weapons we have to pass to. if he can get the puck up and out he doesn't need to be getting points from rushing it up the ice or been set up on the point all night. I'll be much happier not seeing a firedrill in the Edmonton end every time the opposition crosses the blue line that Hall cutting to the outside and getting knocked over.

Look at his d-partner!

Looking at the stats, he outperformed his D partner. Greene was worse without Larsson last season. Greene is getting a bit old now, not surprised he would be slowing down.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674042 is a reply to message #674038 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 19:39

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

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Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

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The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674051 is a reply to message #674042 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:06

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

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The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

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Cullen backed his assessment with stats. Top 3 forward 5v5 in the NHL compared to a question mark and you attribute negativity to the trade to fanboyism and ridiculous hyperbole. rofl

rofl

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674065 is a reply to message #674051 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:58

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:06

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

icon_rolleyes

The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

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icon_lol

Cullen backed his assessment with stats. Top 3 forward 5v5 in the NHL compared to a question mark and you attribute negativity to the trade to fanboyism and ridiculous hyperbole. rofl

rofl

Take a look at the links halfafrog posted back a few. Plenty of statistics and evidence to support that Larsson is an emerging top pair defensemen. Even if he doesn't improve at all from this point he still makes our team better than having Hall on it. Or are you really going to argue a good LW is more impactful and valuable to an NHL team than a good RHD?...

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674069 is a reply to message #674065 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:03

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:58

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:06

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

icon_rolleyes

The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

icon_lol

icon_lol

Cullen backed his assessment with stats. Top 3 forward 5v5 in the NHL compared to a question mark and you attribute negativity to the trade to fanboyism and ridiculous hyperbole. rofl

rofl

Take a look at the links halfafrog posted back a few. Plenty of statistics and evidence to support that Larsson is an emerging top pair defensemen. Even if he doesn't improve at all from this point he still makes our team better than having Hall on it. Or are you really going to argue a good LW is more impactful and valuable to an NHL team than a good RHD?...

You're talking about a GREAT LW and a pretty middling RHD prospect. He's got a good pedigree, but you'll remember, we have another former 4th overall defensive prospect in our lineup. It doesn't always amount to much.

We dramatically overpaid for a guy who's unlikely to cover the bet his new GM just made on him. That's a big, big problem.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674073 is a reply to message #674069 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:08

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:03

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:58

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:06

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

icon_rolleyes

The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

icon_lol

icon_lol

Cullen backed his assessment with stats. Top 3 forward 5v5 in the NHL compared to a question mark and you attribute negativity to the trade to fanboyism and ridiculous hyperbole. rofl

rofl

Take a look at the links halfafrog posted back a few. Plenty of statistics and evidence to support that Larsson is an emerging top pair defensemen. Even if he doesn't improve at all from this point he still makes our team better than having Hall on it. Or are you really going to argue a good LW is more impactful and valuable to an NHL team than a good RHD?...

You're talking about a GREAT LW and a pretty middling RHD prospect. He's got a good pedigree, but you'll remember, we have another former 4th overall defensive prospect in our lineup. It doesn't always amount to much.

We dramatically overpaid for a guy who's unlikely to cover the bet his new GM just made on him. That's a big, big problem.

LOL you're totally uninformed. Perhaps research the player before you woefully underrate. "Great" is a totally subjective term to refer to Hall. I see him as "good" based on what he has accomplished -- your point?

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674074 is a reply to message #674073 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:10

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:08

LOL you're totally uninformed. Perhaps research the player before you woefully underrate. "Great" is a totally subjective term to refer to Hall. I see him as "good" based on what he has accomplished -- your point?

Ummmm...maybe you didn't see me RESEARCH the player in the other thread.

And Hall was third in the league for 5-on-5 scoring this year. He's a great player.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674083 is a reply to message #674074 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:30

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:10

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:08

LOL you're totally uninformed. Perhaps research the player before you woefully underrate. "Great" is a totally subjective term to refer to Hall. I see him as "good" based on what he has accomplished -- your point?

Ummmm...maybe you didn't see me RESEARCH the player in the other thread.

And Hall was third in the league for 5-on-5 scoring this year. He's a great player.

If the assessment you arrived at for Larsson is "middling" you clearly did none. Or you're just being purposely defiant. Either way all you're telling me is you believe a left wing is more important than a RHD which is clearly in line with NHL reality... icon_rolleyes

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And cool, all that means is your standards for greatness differ from mine.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674076 is a reply to message #674065 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:13

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:58

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:06

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 18:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

icon_rolleyes

The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

icon_lol

icon_lol

Cullen backed his assessment with stats. Top 3 forward 5v5 in the NHL compared to a question mark and you attribute negativity to the trade to fanboyism and ridiculous hyperbole. rofl

rofl

Take a look at the links halfafrog posted back a few. Plenty of statistics and evidence to support that Larsson is an emerging top pair defensemen. Even if he doesn't improve at all from this point he still makes our team better than having Hall on it. Or are you really going to argue a good LW is more impactful and valuable to an NHL team than a good RHD?...

I'm not a stats guy, nor do I know how those sites work, per se, but I'd be interested in seeing how Larsson looked when he was out against the top dogs in the east. How often was he out against OV, Giroux, Crosby, Tavares and Stamkos and how did he do?

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674060 is a reply to message #674042 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:39

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:39

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:23

Scott Cullen article on trade.

This is a landslide win for New Jersey. Even if the Edmonton Oilers are, as rumoured, poised to sign left winger Milan Lucic as a free agent, there is no justification for the Oilers to only get Larsson in return for Hall. Strictly in terms of asset management, it’s unacceptable.

Lol such ridiculous hyperbole spewing from this trade. Both teams addressing glaring needs hardly qualifies as a "landslide win" icon_rolleyes

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The Taylor Hall fanboy-ism runs deep! Even among media pundits!

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Him & Ebs have been as close to bulletproof by the media in the city since day 1.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674071 is a reply to message #674060 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

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philly boy wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:39

Him & Ebs have been as close to bulletproof by the media in the city since day 1.

Eberle out the door next wouldn't hurt my feelings either...

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674045 is a reply to message #674038 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 19:49

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If you're curious about how easy NJ coaches made it for Larsson to get a good Corsi %, here is a list of D that played at least 1000 mins last season, sorted by their % of defensive zone starts:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=20 1516&sit=5v5&pos=defense&minutes=1000&teamid =0&type=corsi&sort=DZPCT&sortdir=ASC

Larsson and Greene are dead last by a pretty large margin. And yet the kid still managed to be +15 on a -24 goal differential team.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674052 is a reply to message #674045 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:07

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:49

If you're curious about how easy NJ coaches made it for Larsson to get a good Corsi %, here is a list of D that played at least 1000 mins last season, sorted by their % of defensive zone starts:

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=20 1516&sit=5v5&pos=defense&minutes=1000&teamid =0&type=corsi&sort=DZPCT&sortdir=ASC

Larsson and Greene are dead last by a pretty large margin. And yet the kid still managed to be +15 on a -24 goal differential team.

Just to add, now look at the same list and sorted by their Corsi Against per 60 minutes.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/ratings.php?disp=1&db=20 1516&sit=5v5&pos=defense&minutes=1000&teamid =0&type=corsi&sort=A60&sortdir=ASC

Larsson is 11th best of the group with double the amount of defensive zone starts through the year than some of the guys ahead of him, and at least 174 more defensive zone starts than the closest guy (Doughty).

The reason for his 44.8% Corsi% is not being poor defensively, it's because he's out there with not so great players and he's always starting in his own bloody zone, hehe.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674053 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

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We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674054 is a reply to message #674053 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674058 is a reply to message #674054 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674064 is a reply to message #674058 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

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Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674066 is a reply to message #674064 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674070 is a reply to message #674066 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

It's still a big deal. We were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, and the one consistent offensive producer over the last got dealt for a low return. A guy with 9 NHL goals.

We haven't seen Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, or Draisaitl drive offense on a line. Lucic doesn't. Yakupov and Pouliot and Maroon don't. We have a lot of complimentary players, but trading Hall really hurts the Oilers scoring depth and options. It's pretty easy for the Kings to decide which line to match Kopitar up against now.

Larsson is a great add, but the cost was all wrong to get him, and it'll hurt the Oilers. Absolutely it will.

Personally, I would have preferred the Subban deal that was supposedly out there. And if Hall was packaged as part of a deal for Subban, that would have been much easier to digest.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674080 is a reply to message #674070 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

It's still a big deal. We were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, and the one consistent offensive producer over the last got dealt for a low return[/bold]. A guy with 9 NHL goals.

We haven't seen Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, or Draisaitl drive offense on a line. Lucic doesn't. Yakupov and Pouliot and Maroon don't. We have a lot of complimentary players, but trading Hall really hurts the Oilers scoring depth and options. It's pretty easy for the Kings to decide which line to match Kopitar up against now.

Larsson is a great add, but the cost was all wrong to get him, and it'll hurt the Oilers. Absolutely it will.

Personally, I would have preferred the Subban deal that was supposedly out there. And if Hall was packaged as part of a deal for Subban, that would have been much easier to digest.

So you explicitly know for a fact that this wasn't the best offer then? Yeah ok.

It's just my crazy belief that the person actually performing the job knows a little more about what the market value of a player is in reality and what the best deal available to him was than a bunch of wannabes on an internet forum. But go ahead and believe a guy that built a stanley cup winner is a complete moron and didn't make the best possible move he could.

For all we know there never was a Subban deal so what are you even saying? lol. Even so if the price was Weber you could only imagine what the ask would be from our roster.

Losing Hall+Draisatl+Klefbom sound good to you? Idiotic.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674093 is a reply to message #674080 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

It's still a big deal. We were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, and the one consistent offensive producer over the last got dealt for a low return[/bold]. A guy with 9 NHL goals.

We haven't seen Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, or Draisaitl drive offense on a line. Lucic doesn't. Yakupov and Pouliot and Maroon don't. We have a lot of complimentary players, but trading Hall really hurts the Oilers scoring depth and options. It's pretty easy for the Kings to decide which line to match Kopitar up against now.

Larsson is a great add, but the cost was all wrong to get him, and it'll hurt the Oilers. Absolutely it will.

Personally, I would have preferred the Subban deal that was supposedly out there. And if Hall was packaged as part of a deal for Subban, that would have been much easier to digest.

So you explicitly know for a fact that this wasn't the best offer then? Yeah ok.

It's just my crazy belief that the person actually performing the job knows a little more about what the market value of a player is in reality and what the best deal available to him was than a bunch of wannabes on an internet forum. But go ahead and believe a guy that built a stanley cup winner is a complete moron and didn't make the best possible move he could.

For all we know there never was a Subban deal so what are you even saying? lol. Even so if the price was Weber you could only imagine what the ask would be from our roster.

Losing Hall+Draisatl+Klefbom sound good to you? Idiotic.

I don't like the trade, but the worst part may be that it brought you out from underneath whatever bridge you've been calling home these last few months.

Do I think GMs have the ability to make bad choices? Yes. We have about a decade of proof. Do I think Chiarelli has the ability to make bad trades? I think the Seguin proves this can be true. So it's entirely fair to question his choice of return, his timing, etc.

And it's not like this message board is the only place questioning this deal. Basically every hockey pundit out there was stunned at the low return. Heck, Travis Yost was saying that he had talked to hockey execs who said they would have given a better package than Adam Larsson. For whatever that is worth.

I don't think Chiarelli is a moron, and if you look back at my history, I've praised most of the moves he's made. But just because he's not a moron and just because he has mostly made good moves, doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to make a bad one. So let's not put words in my mouth here, okay?

While we're at it if you want to know the Subban source, it's from Ryan Rishaug. Apparently it was Draisaitl + Klefbom or Nurse + #4. A big return and not everyone will agree it would have been better, but what I like about it is that we'd be on the end receiving the "sure thing stud player" for "players with potential" rather than the team sending out the sure thing for a player with potential like we did. Not everyone shares that feeling, which is fine. I don't love it, but I think the Oilers actually probably walk away better from that deal, and actually address that need for a #1 RHD who can QB a PP. There's nothing suggesting that Larsson (or Demers) is that guy, and so I'm not sure the hole was actually really filled, and we just moved our best trading chip and option to end up in this place. At least you could build around McDavid + Subban, which sounds better to me than McDavid + Larsson.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

It's still a big deal. We were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, and the one consistent offensive producer over the last got dealt for a low return[/bold]. A guy with 9 NHL goals.

We haven't seen Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, or Draisaitl drive offense on a line. Lucic doesn't. Yakupov and Pouliot and Maroon don't. We have a lot of complimentary players, but trading Hall really hurts the Oilers scoring depth and options. It's pretty easy for the Kings to decide which line to match Kopitar up against now.

Larsson is a great add, but the cost was all wrong to get him, and it'll hurt the Oilers. Absolutely it will.

Personally, I would have preferred the Subban deal that was supposedly out there. And if Hall was packaged as part of a deal for Subban, that would have been much easier to digest.

So you explicitly know for a fact that this wasn't the best offer then? Yeah ok.

It's just my crazy belief that the person actually performing the job knows a little more about what the market value of a player is in reality and what the best deal available to him was than a bunch of wannabes on an internet forum. But go ahead and believe a guy that built a stanley cup winner is a complete moron and didn't make the best possible move he could.

For all we know there never was a Subban deal so what are you even saying? lol. Even so if the price was Weber you could only imagine what the ask would be from our roster.

Losing Hall+Draisatl+Klefbom sound good to you? Idiotic.

I don't like the trade, but the worst part may be that it brought you out from underneath whatever bridge you've been calling home these last few months.

Do I think GMs have the ability to make bad choices? Yes. We have about a decade of proof. Do I think Chiarelli has the ability to make bad trades? I think the Seguin proves this can be true. So it's entirely fair to question his choice of return, his timing, etc.

And it's not like this message board is the only place questioning this deal. Basically every hockey pundit out there was stunned at the low return. Heck, Travis Yost was saying that he had talked to hockey execs who said they would have given a better package than Adam Larsson. For whatever that is worth.

I don't think Chiarelli is a moron, and if you look back at my history, I've praised most of the moves he's made. But just because he's not a moron and just because he has mostly made good moves, doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to make a bad one. So let's not put words in my mouth here, okay?

While we're at it if you want to know the Subban source, it's from Ryan Rishaug. Apparently it was Draisaitl + Klefbom or Nurse + #4. A big return and not everyone will agree it would have been better, but what I like about it is that we'd be on the end receiving the "sure thing stud player" for "players with potential" rather than the team sending out the sure thing for a player with potential like we did. Not everyone shares that feeling, which is fine. I don't love it, but I think the Oilers actually probably walk away better from that deal, and actually address that need for a #1 RHD who can QB a PP. There's nothing suggesting that Larsson (or Demers) is that guy, and so I'm not sure the hole was actually really filled, and we just moved our best trading chip and option to end up in this place. At least you could build around McDavid + Subban, which sounds better to me than McDavid + Larsson.

I know I really wish I could spend my every waking hour of free time debating hockey with strangers on an internet forum but I have other stuff to do in my life unfortunately...

The fact I am bothering to waste time on this is very telling then in that case of how ridiculous the narrative was getting over this trade so I suppose you can be angry at Chiarelli for that! icon_wink

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Yeah I've noticed there is widespread disfavour towards the move but sorry that doesn't sway my personal opinion. I'd have made the same swap as Chiarelli did if there was nothing better -- I have to give the benefit of the doubt the man actually in charge really did have no better option. The Travis Yost tweet is purely speculative like anything else thrown out there on twitter. Who is this executive and what players/picks were the better offer? We'll never know for sure.

If the Rishaug rumour was truthful and Chiarelli didn't take it then I would lean to agree with you on that -- I agree it would be nice to get the for sure player for the potential buuuuuut... that's not what transpired in reality. So you have to believe that either that deal wasn't actually true or Chiarelli felt he valued those players more than Hall. Either way you or I can't do anything about it and feel like its so pointless to get angry about this. What's done is done and I'm looking forward to seeing how Larsson pans out and what other moves go down.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674120 is a reply to message #674101 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 23:32

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:31

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:22

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:05

rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:59

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:53

Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:10

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Before today, had anyone ever said that though?

Oh that is so sad. So sad. I have to say, this is worse than the Gretzky trade. At least we got SOMETHING for Gretzky. This one was just a total gift to NJ. An absolutely stupid, dumb dumb gift to another team.

Thanks Chia.

Fire Chia.

Okay, hold on. This is an awful trade. But it is not Gretzky awful.

Both unnecessary. Both well below what we should have gotten. But while there is a large gap between Hall and RNH/Eberle, there is gulf between McDavid and everyone else. That's what the Gretzky trade would have been like.

You guys are acting as if it WAS McDavid that got traded...

It's still a big deal. We were one of the lowest scoring teams in the league last year, and the one consistent offensive producer over the last got dealt for a low return[/bold]. A guy with 9 NHL goals.

We haven't seen Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, or Draisaitl drive offense on a line. Lucic doesn't. Yakupov and Pouliot and Maroon don't. We have a lot of complimentary players, but trading Hall really hurts the Oilers scoring depth and options. It's pretty easy for the Kings to decide which line to match Kopitar up against now.

Larsson is a great add, but the cost was all wrong to get him, and it'll hurt the Oilers. Absolutely it will.

Personally, I would have preferred the Subban deal that was supposedly out there. And if Hall was packaged as part of a deal for Subban, that would have been much easier to digest.

So you explicitly know for a fact that this wasn't the best offer then? Yeah ok.

It's just my crazy belief that the person actually performing the job knows a little more about what the market value of a player is in reality and what the best deal available to him was than a bunch of wannabes on an internet forum. But go ahead and believe a guy that built a stanley cup winner is a complete moron and didn't make the best possible move he could.

For all we know there never was a Subban deal so what are you even saying? lol. Even so if the price was Weber you could only imagine what the ask would be from our roster.

Losing Hall+Draisatl+Klefbom sound good to you? Idiotic.

I don't like the trade, but the worst part may be that it brought you out from underneath whatever bridge you've been calling home these last few months.

Do I think GMs have the ability to make bad choices? Yes. We have about a decade of proof. Do I think Chiarelli has the ability to make bad trades? I think the Seguin proves this can be true. So it's entirely fair to question his choice of return, his timing, etc.

And it's not like this message board is the only place questioning this deal. Basically every hockey pundit out there was stunned at the low return. Heck, Travis Yost was saying that he had talked to hockey execs who said they would have given a better package than Adam Larsson. For whatever that is worth.

I don't think Chiarelli is a moron, and if you look back at my history, I've praised most of the moves he's made. But just because he's not a moron and just because he has mostly made good moves, doesn't mean he doesn't have the ability to make a bad one. So let's not put words in my mouth here, okay?

While we're at it if you want to know the Subban source, it's from Ryan Rishaug. Apparently it was Draisaitl + Klefbom or Nurse + #4. A big return and not everyone will agree it would have been better, but what I like about it is that we'd be on the end receiving the "sure thing stud player" for "players with potential" rather than the team sending out the sure thing for a player with potential like we did. Not everyone shares that feeling, which is fine. I don't love it, but I think the Oilers actually probably walk away better from that deal, and actually address that need for a #1 RHD who can QB a PP. There's nothing suggesting that Larsson (or Demers) is that guy, and so I'm not sure the hole was actually really filled, and we just moved our best trading chip and option to end up in this place. At least you could build around McDavid + Subban, which sounds better to me than McDavid + Larsson.

I know I really wish I could spend my every waking hour of free time debating hockey with strangers on an internet forum but I have other stuff to do in my life unfortunately...

The fact I am bothering to waste time on this is very telling then in that case of how ridiculous the narrative was getting over this trade so I suppose you can be angry at Chiarelli for that! icon_wink

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Yeah I've noticed there is widespread disfavour towards the move but sorry that doesn't sway my personal opinion. I'd have made the same swap as Chiarelli did if there was nothing better -- I have to give the benefit of the doubt the man actually in charge really did have no better option. The Travis Yost tweet is purely speculative like anything else thrown out there on twitter. Who is this executive and what players/picks were the better offer? We'll never know for sure.

If the Rishaug rumour was truthful and Chiarelli didn't take it then I would lean to agree with you on that -- I agree it would be nice to get the for sure player for the potential buuuuuut... that's not what transpired in reality. So you have to believe that either that deal wasn't actually true or Chiarelli felt he valued those players more than Hall. Either way you or I can't do anything about it and feel like its so pointless to get angry about this. What's done is done and I'm looking forward to seeing how Larsson pans out and what other moves go down.

Hate the trade but hopefully Larsson can take his game to the next level, that's the only thing that will make this somewhat palatable. You should ask Adam how he does it.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674100 is a reply to message #674058 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:22

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I thought of the Gretzky trade also Adam. Bad trade that will haunt this team.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674104 is a reply to message #674100 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:35

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TJ39 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:22

I thought of the Gretzky trade also Adam. Bad trade that will haunt this team.

LMAO just killing me...

I look forward to seeing Hall continue to be as impactful for New Jersey as he was for us (i.e. never make the playoffs).

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674107 is a reply to message #674104 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:56

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rjayd2 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 22:35

LMAO just killing me...

I look forward to seeing Hall continue to be as impactful for New Jersey as he was for us (i.e. never make the playoffs).

Laugh it up fuzzball! (To quote a fictional character)

Not one player does a team make, but a team with GREAT players can accomplish a whole lot. I think you aren't taking into account how trading Hall for Larsson impacts this team negatively. Hall a top 3 winger for Larsson a top 4 right shot defenseman. The points that Hall produced carried the Oilers to a few more wins than the Oilers should have had, further than when RNH, Eberle and yes even McDavid went down to injury, it was Hall that carried the mail and soldiered on.

Losing his type of production isn't wise, game in and game out Hall was doing it, and while the losses killed any chance of this team from rising beyond 21st place it was Hall getting us there.

You cannot tell me the point production year after year on the Oilers Hall wasn't at the top more years than not.

Now we have to settle for a maybe, Larsson who is a good player but not in the same sentence as Hall in terms of impact to his team.

Just a trade the Oilers yet again lost.. Chia messed up. The trade would be more palpable if it was Larsson plus at leSt some picks.

This trade will not bode well for our team.. And I really hope I'm wrong.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674057 is a reply to message #674053 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

I have a feeling that Chia values Nuge more than Hall.

Of course a Nuge for Dumba trade would blow that theory out of the water and send it flying right into the sun!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674061 is a reply to message #674057 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:40

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

I have a feeling that Chia values Nuge more than Hall.

Of course a Nuge for Dumba trade would blow that theory out of the water and send it flying right into the sun!

I think this one is prophetic. What do we need now? A big shot on the pp. Dumba.

That will make 2 idiotic trades in one summer. Thanks Chia.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674062 is a reply to message #674061 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:44

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Team Dean wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 19:40

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:38

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

I have a feeling that Chia values Nuge more than Hall.

Of course a Nuge for Dumba trade would blow that theory out of the water and send it flying right into the sun!

I think this one is prophetic. What do we need now? A big shot on the pp. Dumba.

That will make 2 idiotic trades in one summer. Thanks Chia.

Dumba is awful. I watched him in the world championships and was actually hoping we don't trade for him. Davidson is better than him. Lose RNH for a guy we'll be trying unload in a year.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674063 is a reply to message #674053 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:44

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 20:08

We probably should have taken Larsson instead of Nugent-Hopkins in 2011...

Ya cause we were so deep down the middle then???
For the record on the Tyler / Taylor sweepstakes I was in the camp of drafting centers and acquiring wingers. If you look at the last couple years they are still a draw . Once Taylor was taking I supported him being an Oiler all the way , he's taken the brunt of negative connotations since coming here. Some deserved , alot of them not . Anyone that denies him of that is not an oilers fan .

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674059 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 20:39

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Today is the like the day you realize that you've been wasting your time on the girl you've been dating forever. She's just not as good looking as you thought she was, she only ever hurts you (over and over) and you're pretty sure she's still dating that dickhead Kevin on the side.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674078 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:16

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Jim Matheson agrees Chiarelli made a mistake - because we didn't get a second round pick included. icon_rolleyes

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674082 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:27

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At least we're keeping our star player happy...

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I guess Hall isn't a real leader.

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674089 is a reply to message #674082 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:48

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Gator21 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:27

At least we're keeping our star player happy...

"I don't know if I can ever repay (Taylor Hall). He took me under his wing. It’s hard to explain how much that means to me.” -Connor McDavid

I guess Hall isn't a real leader.

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Ah, now the trade makes sense. McDavid was likely a week away from being pressured into a coke habit. Chia had to break that relationship up ASAP! icon_biggrin

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674092 is a reply to message #674089 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 21:59

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Hmm if I was the resident star of a team and it was obvious a real superstar (McDavid) had just been drafted, I couldn't afford to be anything other than generous and unkind too. How did he treat and lead all the peripheral players?

Building a team is a chess match, not a one player or one trade deal. People are acting like their wife was just traded. If Gretzky can get traded, anyone can. And this compares nothing to the Gretzky deal. There is and never will be a player like Gretzky. Take a look at all time points. He is so far ahead of the next cluster of players it would take Jagr playing til he is 90 to catch up. Gretzky is a statistical freak.

Lets see what else is done and see how the team is doing by December before we judge too harshly. Larsson is a good shut down right handed D man that can play a lot of minutes who is only 23. If that was the price, that was the price. This team needs a lot fewer goals scored against them and looking at his tough defensive starts this is what we needed. I worry Edmonton is becoming like Toronto. An eternally horrible team with fans and media that run players out of town. We don't' want any Kessel Karma going around.

So this is what hope feels like?

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674094 is a reply to message #674092 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:05

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halfafrog wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:59

Hmm if I was the resident star of a team and it was obvious a real superstar (McDavid) had just been drafted, I couldn't afford to be anything other than generous and unkind too. How did he treat and lead all the peripheral players?

Building a team is a chess match, not a one player or one trade deal. People are acting like their wife was just traded. If Gretzky can get traded, anyone can. And this compares nothing to the Gretzky deal. There is and never will be a player like Gretzky. Take a look at all time points. He is so far ahead of the next cluster of players it would take Jagr playing til he is 90 to catch up. Gretzky is a statistical freak.

Lets see what else is done and see how the team is doing by December before we judge too harshly. Larsson is a good shut down right handed D man that can play a lot of minutes who is only 23. If that was the price, that was the price. This team needs a lot fewer goals scored against them and looking at his tough defensive starts this is what we needed. I worry Edmonton is becoming like Toronto. An eternally horrible team with fans and media that run players out of town. We don't' want any Kessel Karma going around.

I don't think there's any danger of us becoming Toronto. They traded their top point producer from the past five years and they rejoiced. We traded our top point producer from the past five years and it's been ugly here in the city. Most people I've talked to are very upset. The best responses have mostly been trying to rationalize the move, while still thinking the return was unbelievably bad.

That's despite guys like Stauffer and Rishaug trying desperately to tow the company line and sell up the deal. It's pretty amazing to look at the responses to all of Rishaug's inane tweets. He's been lit up again and again, and just keeps doubling down. You'd think he's looking for a job with management.

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halfafrog wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:59

We don't' want any Kessel Karma going around.

We might have had that with Justin Schultz. icon_wink

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:48

Gator21 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 21:27

At least we're keeping our star player happy...

"I don't know if I can ever repay (Taylor Hall). He took me under his wing. It’s hard to explain how much that means to me.” -Connor McDavid

I guess Hall isn't a real leader.

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Ah, now the trade makes sense. McDavid was likely a week away from being pressured into a coke habit. Chia had to break that relationship up ASAP! icon_biggrin

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He was on coke when he said that, and he had shared some with Chia earlier that morning.

2015/2016 - This Kool-Aid tastes like McDavid flavoured Drain-O.
2016/2017 - This Kool-Aid is starting to taste like juice.
2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Re: Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #674099 is a reply to message #673755 ]	Wed, 29 June 2016 22:21

TJ39
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Registered: May 2002
Location: British Columbia

No Cups

I haven't posted for awhile, but this trade is dispicable. Good on you Oilers management. You will see what you have lost. This team is forever a sinking ship.

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