| Oilers Trade Hall to Devils for Larsson [message #673755] |
Wed, 29 June 2016 13:30  |
 MJ
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The Edmonton Oilers and New Jersey Devils have completed a blockbuster.
Left wing Taylor Hall is on his way to the Garden State in exchange for defenceman Adam Larsson.
http://www.tsn.ca/oilers-trade-hall-to-devils-1.517882
He's signed until 2020-21 with a $4,166,666 cap hit: http://www.generalfanager.com/players/1264 (As an aside, general fanager had that updated to reflect he's an Oiler within minutes!)
[Updated on: Wed, 29 June 2016 13:40]
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spoonful
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Straight up apparently. It's disgusting but our "core" doesn't have the value people in Edmonton thought they did.
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Mike
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What in the F...I would much rather have added to Hall for an elite guy than this.
This sucks. Adam Larsson? Really? Wow...
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 smyth260
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Principe says 1 for 1. We got fleeced.
Clean house or bust
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NZ Oiler Fan
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Better be for Larsson plus plus plus...in Chia we trust?
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OilPeg
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it CANT be one for one...it can't...that's horrible!
| Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 02 June 2012 00:29 |
But he (Belanger)'s as soft as room temp. margarine.
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 16 March 2021 18:49 |
Turris in the BOA will be like an ice cube in the Sahara.
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spoonful
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| Mike wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 13:33 |
What in the F...I would much rather have added to Hall for an elite guy than this.
This sucks. Adam Larsson? Really? Wow...
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Obviously an "elite guy" wasn't going to be traded for Hall.
Now imagine what value Eberle and RNH have..
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Red Rage
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TSN says its for a package centering around Larsson
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TeemaJeema
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If it's not for Larsson +, this sucks. This outright sucks.
Oiler Fan For Life.
Go Esks Go!
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mightyreasoner
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Awful. I don't know what else to say.
One of the very best wingers in the game for an okay, mediocre, second-pairing defenseman.
The Oilers are worse today than they were yesterday. And Milan Lucic won't change that.
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Skoobz
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I'm waiting and waiting and waiting for the add from NJ. Chiarelli is going to be a pariah if:
a) he doesn't get more
b) Larsson doesn't completely go off
c) both of the above
Edit: not a package
Larsson becomes an elite top pairing guy, or Chia goes down in flames.
[Updated on: Wed, 29 June 2016 13:40]
"[It was] really cool to throw on the Oilers gear, the gear that I want to play the rest of my life wearing. It was pretty cool to put it on. With all the history, it was a lot of fun." - Connor McDavid, July 1, 2015
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Prince Albert 1
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This is the moment that most of us have been dreading for awhile now. Trading Hall for .60 cents on the dollar. I haven't had time to dive too deep into Larsson's performance over the last few years but I don't need to to know that he's not worth the price we paid. Ive said all along that I didn't want to see Hall traded for anything other than a bonafide #1 25-30 minute a night Dman signed to team control for 3 years or more on a reasonable contract.
This obviously means that the Lucic rumours are true as PC would not have dealt Taylor Hall without been nearly certain that Lucic was coming here. Lucic is NOT now and never will be a reasonable replacement for Hall. I want to see him on this team but not at the expense of Hall. The fans and the organization will regret this more as Lucic ages.
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smyth260
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What a mess. Did Hall request a trade? Even so. Larsson has 9 goals in his career. We are so much worse today. There are other players on the Oilers I don't give up for Larsson, let alone Taylor Hall.
Clean house or bust
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WhoreableGuy
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This is terrible.
"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"
- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win
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Red Rage
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What is the logic for this trade? I can't find ANY!!!
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Kr55
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Chia better be right about Larsson. Better look like a 1st pairing guy by next season. Guess it's Lucic/Pouliot on the left.
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- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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Suomalainen
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Well that was underwhelming. But it is 2M in cap space, which is valuable in this day and age.
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K.McC#24
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| mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 13:36 |
Awful. I don't know what else to say.
One of the very best wingers in the game for an okay, mediocre, second-pairing defenseman.
The Oilers are worse today than they were yesterday. And Milan Lucic won't change that.
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Totally agree. This will not go down as a good deal for the Edmonton Oilers. You're banking on Lucic as your #1 LW, you've got only Nail Yakupov below him on the depth chart (who wants out and should be moved), and get 2nd pairing Adam Larsson for Taylor Hall.
Brutal.
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darkknight
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While i hate this trade if it's 1 for 1 they had to decide whether it's McDavid's team or Hall's. Clearly it's McDavid's. Lucic clearly is wrapped up.
Also, although I like Taylor Hall the player and think he matured a lot as a person I believe he isn't a good locker room guy. We had a massive divide in the locker room between young and old guys forever. I also think it's part of the reason Yak hasn't been great is that he is so unwelcome as well.
He shoots, he Sykoras
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oilersfan2
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Just when I was getting excited again about this team.......brutal trade in my opinion.
Shoot the puck!!
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kungpaobenji27
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| smyth260 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 14:40 |
What a mess. Did Hall request a trade? Even so. Larsson has 9 goals in his career. We are so much worse today. There are other players on the Oilers I don't give up for Larsson, let alone Taylor Hall.
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You know..he may have requested one after his name was thrown around considerably the past few days...
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NZ Oiler Fan
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Larsson better look solid as a #1 else the fans here are going to crucify him.
Likely unfair on him as I don't think he's a genuine #1 or 2 (yet), but that's hardly his fault.
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WhoreableGuy
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Hall is one of the best players in the entire League. I don't care what way you look at it but the Oilers are a worse team now.
"Bah Gawd! Would somebody stop the damn draft!"
- Jim Ross calling the NHL Draft Lotto 2015 as the Oilers win
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RedRooster
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Temporarily. Balance between front and back end quality is gradually getting closer at least.
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nullterm
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I refuse to believe this. Today never happened. Undo... undo.... undo!!! UNDO!!!!
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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mazankowski
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What happens if we don't acquire Lucic?
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mightyreasoner
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Klefbom / Larsson
Sekera / Demers
Davidson / Oesterle
Fayne
I mean, sure, I guess that's better than what we had last year. But that's not playoff calibre defense, and we just trade a franchise player and our absolute best trading chip to arrive at that place.
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vsove
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Saw this coming. 'Friend of a friend' type of thing, but they mentioned a couple of weeks ago that Taylor wanted out, in large part because he wasn't going to be the #1 guy anymore - and he saw that life outside of the Oilers meant you could actually win a cup.
Really underwhelming return. Only way it all makes sense is if we have other pieces that are going to fall into place. Even then, I would hope for at least Larsson+.
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sloiler
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On first thought this is a brutal trade, however I am going to play devils advocate here and throw in the intangibles that maybe we DON'T know.
a. Did Hall request a trade
b. Was Hall actually Cancer in the room ( I personally think that could be part of the problem)
c. The ego of Hall may not have fit behind the star power of McDavid
d. Lucic is probably confirmed as coming here or he wouldn't have done this
e. There is something else brewing involving defense, lets face it #1 D do not grow on trees so maybe this is only a piece.
F. Really I am like everyone else who rates our players a lot higher than the rest of the league. We have over valued most of them. Chia had to give up something to get something.
Final thought I think that b. is a really big problem, my niece used to date him.
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Mike
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So...can I have that Hall+ for Subban deal I wasn't crazy about now instead? Man - what a punch in the gut. What a terrible return for one of the best wingers on the planet.
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Rattimus
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What about Maroon or Pouliot? Both those guys can put up 20+ goals skating with McDavid.
Don't get me wrong, hate the trade, but we have a couple more options other than Lucic or Yak on LW.
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Ragnarok73
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I can learn to live with this if the Oil improve their D overall after the summer. A top-heavy team with an AHL-calibre defense isn't going anywhere, as the past few seasons have shown. It would be nice if they could also somehow get a guy like Shattenkirk to come to town...
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K.McC#24
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Oilers and pundits can sell this anyway possible, but this is one of the worst deals in Oiler history on the face of it.
I don't give a damn for future moves, Lucic coming, whatever. The Oilers had a top 3/4 LW in the league, young, under a reasonable contract, who CARRIED this hockey team since joining the Oilers.....and got a 2nd pairing Dman who does NOT produce offensively straight up in return. Not nearly good enough, and a fail of a deal.
Of all the $6 million contracts on the team, this should have been the absolute LAST to go out the door.
Again, regardless of what else happens, unless somehow Chiarelli hoses 2 other GMs the way he just got hosed by NJ, this is an utter failure. Making a bad deal for the sake of dealing is not the approach we're looking for here.
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mazankowski
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| Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 12:57 |
I can learn to live with this if the Oil improve their D overall after the summer. A top-heavy team with an AHL-calibre defense isn't going anywhere, as the past few seasons have shown. It would be nice if they could also somehow get a guy like Shattenkirk to come to town...
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We need that type of Defenceman now
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Chia has done this before so it shouldn't be a surprise. What happened to 'waiting for the right deal'? Well this is the wrong deal. The pundits were right when having doubts about him as our GM. Hall will now blossom even more like Segin. So bad. 
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inverno76
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Blown away. I didn't mind trading Hall, but for that return? Larsson better have another gear.
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Kr55
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| mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 13:50 |
Klefbom / Larsson
Sekera / Demers
Davidson / Oesterle
Fayne
I mean, sure, I guess that's better than what we had last year. But that's not playoff calibre defense, and we just trade a franchise player and our absolute best trading chip to arrive at that place.
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I actually think that could be a playoff D group if it stays healthy and Larsson takes another step in his development. We should still be able to ice 2 very good offensive lines and that D is good enough to hold and fort and get pucks moving to our skilled forwards.
This is in no way a fair value trade, we should have at least got a 1st round pick and a decent prospect too. But, I think we should be able to challenge for a playoff spot next year if we end up signing Lucic and Demers.
"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013
"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015
5 x $5,000,000
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K.McC#24
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| Rattimus wrote on Wed, 29 June 2016 13:56 |
What about Maroon or Pouliot? Both those guys can put up 20+ goals skating with McDavid.
Don't get me wrong, hate the trade, but we have a couple more options other than Lucic or Yak on LW.
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A top 3 LW in the league who can carry the play, and has carried the play for this team is dealt for a 2nd pairing D who they think has upside. This was a loss.
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vsove
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I don't hate the deal because I think it makes our team significantly worse, I hate it because I think the value was incredibly underwhelming.
Who knows. Maybe I vastly overvalued Taylor Hall. But it's still disappointing.
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