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Tkachev ELC Ruled Ineligible [message #632819]	Tue, 30 September 2014 08:16

Rocksteady
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UPDATE:
Bob Stauffer Twitter:
Tkachev's deal ineligible. Had he played full season in CHL Oilers could've signed him to ELC after coming to camp on ATO (Amateur Try Out)

Tkachev played 2 games for Omsk (KHL) last season and then waited for his release to play in CHL. Obscure rule..he goes in 2015 Draft

Given that Tkachev's contract has been ruled ineligible logic dictates that he will be released back
to Junior shortly

The rule:
According to the NHL’s Collective Bargaining Agreement, to be eligible to play in the league, a player must have:

(a) had been claimed in the last Entry Draft, or was ineligible for claim under Section

8.4; or

(b) had been eligible for claim in the last Entry Draft, but was unclaimed, and:

ii) had played hockey in North America the prior season and was under age 20 at the time of the last Entry Draft, and signed an SPC which was signed and registered with the League between the conclusion of the Entry Draft and commencement of the Major Juniors season (except that if such Player had signed an NHL try-out form, which was signed and registered with the League during the aforesaid time period, then the deadline for signing and registering with the League an SPC with such try-out Club shall be the commencement of the NHL Season).’

Last season, Tkachev only played 20 games with Moncton of the QMJHL (Quebec Major Junior Hockey League). NHL rules state that undrafted players need to play a full season in North America in order to sign an NHL contract if they are undrafted.

...

So that's that.

===Original Message===
The Oilers signed Tkachev last night to an entry level contract as per Mark Spector's twitter

He will be heading to Muncton very soon.

.

Mark Spector's Twitter

The Edmonton Oilers have agreed to a 3-year entry level deal with the small but skilled Vladimir Tkachev. He'll be heading to Moncton.

[Updated on: Fri, 03 October 2014 12:17]

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632821 is a reply to message #632819 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 08:18

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The fans have got their wish and signed the skilled but small winger. Here's to hoping he has a magical growth spurt and gains 65lbs.

Also how is it the most unconnected guy in Hockey get's the scoop? I guess with your company being the rights holder you get some sort of inside track.

Me: Hey Spec, what do you think of the signing?
Spec: I don't know, what do you think?

*That guy..

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632822 is a reply to message #632821 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 08:39

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Great news. Looking forward to watching him live this year. Hopefully he packs on a few pounds this year and makes his way up to Edmuntun closer to 170-180.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632825 is a reply to message #632822 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 11:06

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Mike wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 07:39

Great news. Looking forward to watching him live this year. Hopefully he packs on a few pounds this year and makes his way up to Edmuntun closer to 170-180.

I really enjoyed watching him in Pentictun at this years Young Stars Tournamunt.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632826 is a reply to message #632822 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 11:18

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Mike wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 08:39

Great news. Looking forward to watching him live this year. Hopefully he packs on a few pounds this year and makes his way up to Edmuntun closer to 170-180.

170 is a bit of a stretch, as he seems more built like Steve Sullivan than Martin St Louis

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632827 is a reply to message #632822 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 11:37

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Mike, that's awesume. Very sobtle.

He might get up around 170-180 as an adult, but I wouldn't expect a massive growth spurt from him. I was 145lbs at 18, but sit comfortably at 175 as an adult. Anything more than that and I've either been in the gym waaaaaay too much or waaaaaaay too little.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632828 is a reply to message #632827 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 11:47

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Hibernia wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 14:37

Mike, that's awesume. Very sobtle.

He might get up around 170-180 as an adult, but I wouldn't expect a massive growth spurt from him. I was 145lbs at 18, but sit comfortably at 175 as an adult. Anything more than that and I've either been in the gym waaaaaay too much or waaaaaaay too little.

Hopefully he can grow an inch or 2 - certainly not out of the question at only 18.

As for growth spurts - I was around 125lbs until I was around 25 (wrestled at 56KG, 6' tall). Then BAM - I was a solid 200lbs at 27. People that hadn't seen me in a couple of years didn't recognize me. So it can happen I suppose. But you're right - if he doesn't grow at all, then he likely won't put on that much weight.

Either way, watching last night, he certainly didn't seem out of place in terms of skill.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632832 is a reply to message #632819 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 13:18

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If the Oilers didn't sign him then I would have assumed they had no intent on doing so in the first place. Can't expect a much better training camp from an 18 year old.

Will be interesting to watch his progression. The odds are stacked against him, only because of his size. Worst case scenario, he is an AHL plug. Best case is he becomes a useful NHLer. Didn't cost us a draft pick, so a very low risk move. Happy they did it.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632834 is a reply to message #632832 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 15:57

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Pretty funny interview with Tkachev, Yakupov acting as translator which is funny in itself.

http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=732437

That's the first time I've seen Tkachev not in hockey gear. He looks like 14!

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632843 is a reply to message #632819 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 17:11

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Gotta give MacT credit for finding a potential asset out of nowhere

Good signing based on merit.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632845 is a reply to message #632843 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 17:51

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Some reason the Oilers site listing the contract as being ineligible by the NHL? I assume more to follow. confused2

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632846 is a reply to message #632845 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 17:56

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Iamheretoday wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:51

Some reason the Oilers site listing the contract as being ineligible by the NHL? I assume more to follow. confused2

confused2

Going through Twitter, it looks like he's ineligable. Going to have to hope to get in the draft next year.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632847 is a reply to message #632846 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:06

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Oilertime wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:56

Iamheretoday wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:51

Some reason the Oilers site listing the contract as being ineligible by the NHL? I assume more to follow. confused2

confused2

Going through Twitter, it looks like he's ineligable. Going to have to hope to get in the draft next year.

A few years ago I would have been upset about something like this but now I just laugh.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632848 is a reply to message #632847 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:11

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spoonful wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:06

Oilertime wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:56

Iamheretoday wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:51

Some reason the Oilers site listing the contract as being ineligible by the NHL? I assume more to follow. confused2

confused2

Going through Twitter, it looks like he's ineligable. Going to have to hope to get in the draft next year.

A few years ago I would have been upset about something like this but now I just laugh.

Thank you for salvaging some humour from this. I was so angry when I opened twitter and read news... then your post. "Here come the Oilers!"

For the record, I'm more angry at the league for the stupid rule. Sounds like alot of teams had no idea. The league should do a better job about communicating player status.

[Updated on: Tue, 30 September 2014 18:17]

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632850 is a reply to message #632848 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:16

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 18:11

spoonful wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:06

Oilertime wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:56

Iamheretoday wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:51

Some reason the Oilers site listing the contract as being ineligible by the NHL? I assume more to follow. confused2

confused2

Going through Twitter, it looks like he's ineligable. Going to have to hope to get in the draft next year.

A few years ago I would have been upset about something like this but now I just laugh.

Thank you for salvaging some humour from this. I was so angry when I opened twitter and read news... then your post. "Here come the Oilers!"

Oilers gonna Oilers.

Normally I'd give an organization a pass for something like this. It seems like they trip up by a semi obscure rule, which is understandable... unless you've running a laughing stock team for ~15 years, then there's no goodwill left and I just think it's a case of stupid is, stupid does.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632852 is a reply to message #632850 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:19

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:16

nullterm wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 18:11

spoonful wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:06

Oilertime wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:56

Iamheretoday wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:51

Some reason the Oilers site listing the contract as being ineligible by the NHL? I assume more to follow. confused2

confused2

Going through Twitter, it looks like he's ineligable. Going to have to hope to get in the draft next year.

A few years ago I would have been upset about something like this but now I just laugh.

Thank you for salvaging some humour from this. I was so angry when I opened twitter and read news... then your post. "Here come the Oilers!"

Oilers gonna Oilers.

Normally I'd give an organization a pass for something like this. It seems like they trip up by a semi obscure rule, which is understandable... unless you've running a laughing stock team for ~15 years, then there's no goodwill left and I just think it's a case of stupid is, stupid does.

I don't blame the Oilers (on this one). Too obscure of a rule. Other teams were after Tkachev too.

But it's still a very Oilers thing to have happened. LOL

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632853 is a reply to message #632852 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:22

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 18:19

I don't blame the Oilers (on this one). Too obscure of a rule. Other teams were after Tkachev too.

But it's still a very Oilers thing to have happened. LOL

The exact situation happened with a Capitals player last year. I had never heard about it.

Then again, I'm not paid to know about it.

The Oilers screwed up, plain and simple.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632863 is a reply to message #632848 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 20:41

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:11

spoonful wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:06

Oilertime wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:56

Iamheretoday wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:51

Some reason the Oilers site listing the contract as being ineligible by the NHL? I assume more to follow. confused2

confused2

Going through Twitter, it looks like he's ineligable. Going to have to hope to get in the draft next year.

A few years ago I would have been upset about something like this but now I just laugh.

Thank you for salvaging some humour from this. I was so angry when I opened twitter and read news... then your post. "Here come the Oilers!"

For the record, I'm more angry at the league for the stupid rule. Sounds like alot of teams had no idea. The league should do a better job about communicating player status.

The NHL makes this sheet up as they go, Probably some douch bag team called the league. If he was "ineligible", then the NHL shouldn't have allowed him at camp, neve rmind let him play in all those NHL exhibition games. What if he got seriously hurt? Agent could've sued the NHL for a few million. NHL is amateur hour.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632851 is a reply to message #632843 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:17

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RankinSpankin wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 17:11

Gotta give MacT credit for finding a potential asset out of nowhere

Good signing based on merit.

Like it

Contract inelgible.

Here I thought hell was gonna freeze over but all is right in the world again

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632854 is a reply to message #632851 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:32

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I guess Tkachev needs a new agent too, eh? It takes two sides to hammer out a deal.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev [message #632860 is a reply to message #632854 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 19:27

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Hibernia wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 18:32

I guess Tkachev needs a new agent too, eh? It takes two sides to hammer out a deal.

You'd think the NHL would subtly say something to club teams who are discussing publicly signing someone who's not eligible to get signed. Save everyone a little embarrassment.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632855 is a reply to message #632819 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:35

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Happened with the Caps last year, had to use a 3rd rounder to reclaim Nathan Walker, hopefully Tkachev will be on the board when the third rounder we got for Hemsky comes up

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632857 is a reply to message #632855 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:51

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eedok wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 18:35

Happened with the Caps last year, had to use a 3rd rounder to reclaim Nathan Walker, hopefully Tkachev will be on the board when the third rounder we got for Hemsky comes up

Walker ended up playing for the Capitals AHL team in Hershey.

So could the OKC Barons sign him? Or does the under-20 rule still apply? And if so, how did Walker sign with Hershey?

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632858 is a reply to message #632857 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 19:05

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 18:51

eedok wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 18:35

Happened with the Caps last year, had to use a 3rd rounder to reclaim Nathan Walker, hopefully Tkachev will be on the board when the third rounder we got for Hemsky comes up

Walker ended up playing for the Capitals AHL team in Hershey.

So could the OKC Barons sign him? Or does the under-20 rule still apply? And if so, how did Walker sign with Hershey?

Walker didn't play in the CHL

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632859 is a reply to message #632858 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 19:12

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It's ok. Not like he was going to make a difference anytime soon.

Edit: but it IS a stupid rule.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632856 is a reply to message #632819 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 18:45

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Yep, that's about right.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632861 is a reply to message #632819 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 19:53

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Partly on the Oilers, partly on the agent, but lots on the NHL.

If he couldn't sign with the Oilers, and has to go into the 2015 draft, how in the hell could he have even come to camp to try out? The NHL should have stopped him from coming to camp as a free agent on a tryout, if he has to go back to junior/2015 draft.

What if he had been seriously injured during camp/exhibition games?

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632862 is a reply to message #632861 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 20:11

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Now the question becomes, if he's available, what's the highest round pick you'd be willing to use on him? (Without having another CHL season of scouting and development.)

I'd use a 2nd or 3rd. Chances of getting a NHLer those rounds is iffy to begin with, use it on a kid who looks like he can keep up.

Early 1st, likely not. Depending on whose left.

Late 1st, who's kidding who, that would mean the Oil made the playoffs.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632864 is a reply to message #632862 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 20:43

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 19:11

Now the question becomes, if he's available, what's the highest round pick you'd be willing to use on him? (Without having another CHL season of scouting and development.)

I'd use a 2nd or 3rd. Chances of getting a NHLer those rounds is iffy to begin with, use it on a kid who looks like he can keep up.

Early 1st, likely not. Depending on whose left.

Late 1st, who's kidding who, that would mean the Oil made the playoffs.

Or that thye traded down for "the guy they really wanted all along" LOL!

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632866 is a reply to message #632819 ]	Tue, 30 September 2014 21:08

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Brutal. The NHL knew he was there. Even national media was reporting his presence, you would think they could have said something.

I would normally fault the Oilers for stuff like this but I think this one is on the NHL. What a gong show this is.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632873 is a reply to message #632866 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 08:04

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 21:08

Brutal. The NHL knew he was there. Even national media was reporting his presence, you would think they could have said something.

I would normally fault the Oilers for stuff like this but I think this one is on the NHL. What a gong show this is.

It's not the NHL's job to run the Edmonton Oilers, even if they'd probably do a better job of it.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632874 is a reply to message #632873 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 08:24

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 11:34

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 21:08

Brutal. The NHL knew he was there. Even national media was reporting his presence, you would think they could have said something.

I would normally fault the Oilers for stuff like this but I think this one is on the NHL. What a gong show this is.

It's not the NHL's job to run the Edmonton Oilers, even if they'd probably do a better job of it.

I dunno about that... have you seen the Coyotes?

But you're right that it's not the NHL's fault. I can't imagine they have someone combing through every player at every training camp and then advising the team on their eligibility to compete. Only once the legal document was signed would the NHL's lawyers kick-in and do their work.

In the end, I'm not surprised by this rule. Any other player that plays partially in Europe can't just jump in the NHL when they choose. I'm sure this sort of rule is there to keep the Euro leagues happy, so that young players aren't jumping ship halfway through the season for a pie-in-the-sky dream.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632875 is a reply to message #632874 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 08:33

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Hibernia wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 08:24

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 11:34

It's not the NHL's job to run the Edmonton Oilers, even if they'd probably do a better job of it.

I dunno about that... have you seen the Coyotes?

2014 - Coyotes 89 Oilers 67
2013 - Coyotes 51 Oilers 45
2012 - Coyotes 97 Oilers 74
2011 - Coyotes 99 Oilers 62
2010 - Coyotes 107 Oilers 62
2009 - Oilers 85 Coyotes 79 *NHL starts running Coyotes
2008 - Oilers 88 Coyotes 83
2007 - Oilers 71 Coyotes 67

I'd be ok if a dart throwing monkey was running the Oilers right now.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632876 is a reply to message #632875 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 08:44

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 08:33

Hibernia wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 08:24

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 11:34

It's not the NHL's job to run the Edmonton Oilers, even if they'd probably do a better job of it.

I dunno about that... have you seen the Coyotes?

2014 - Coyotes 89 Oilers 67
2013 - Coyotes 51 Oilers 45
2012 - Coyotes 97 Oilers 74
2011 - Coyotes 99 Oilers 62
2010 - Coyotes 107 Oilers 62
2009 - Oilers 85 Coyotes 79 *NHL starts running Coyotes
2008 - Oilers 88 Coyotes 83
2007 - Oilers 71 Coyotes 67

I'd be ok if a dart throwing monkey was running the Oilers right now.

hehe,

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view3/1547088/the-more-you-know-o.gif

I guess you can blame this more on the kids agent. But, in the end, he made his asset more valuable so he does get something out of this. We get nothing (except "just oilers being oilers" comments).

[Updated on: Wed, 01 October 2014 08:49]

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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632880 is a reply to message #632875 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 10:04

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...and that awesome team has won 2 more playoff rounds than the Oilers in that time frame. I would hope we're aiming a little higher than that.

What happened to all of my messages? lol (I guess it's been awhile) BlueSky: StefBarnes

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632882 is a reply to message #632880 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 10:15

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Hibernia wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 10:04

...and that awesome team has won 2 more playoff rounds than the Oilers in that time frame. I would hope we're aiming a little higher than that.

I never said the Coyotes were awesome just that they were run better by the NHL than the Oilers were.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632885 is a reply to message #632882 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 12:30

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 10:15

Hibernia wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 10:04

...and that awesome team has won 2 more playoff rounds than the Oilers in that time frame. I would hope we're aiming a little higher than that.

I never said the Coyotes were awesome just that they were run better by the NHL than the Oilers were.

Exactly. There are lots of teams that have also failed to win games, make the playoffs, win playoff rounds, celebrate Stanley Cup victories, etc. over the eight years. But are there any that have won fewer games, made the playoffs less, won less rounds, and celebrated less championships over that time?

It may be a tallest midget competition to compare us to the Coyotes, but I have to say, I think I'd rather be in their shoes.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632887 is a reply to message #632885 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 12:43

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Adam wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 15:30

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 10:15

Hibernia wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 10:04

...and that awesome team has won 2 more playoff rounds than the Oilers in that time frame. I would hope we're aiming a little higher than that.

I never said the Coyotes were awesome just that they were run better by the NHL than the Oilers were.

Exactly. There are lots of teams that have also failed to win games, make the playoffs, win playoff rounds, celebrate Stanley Cup victories, etc. over the eight years. But are there any that have won fewer games, made the playoffs less, won less rounds, and celebrated less championships over that time?

It may be a tallest midget competition to compare us to the Coyotes, but I have to say, I think I'd rather be in their shoes.

Not to go off on too much of a tangent, but I was one of those people who used to say "it's all about the Cup".

I don't subscribe to that thinking anymore. I want to be entertained. I want to see more wins than losses. I want to believe that my team at least has a shot at winning it all beyond Halloween.

I would trade 1 cup and 9 seasons with no playoffs for 10 playoff seasons but 0 Cups. Yes I want to see the team win the Cup, but more than that I want "MY" team to not be an embarrassment. I want "MY" team be a perennial playoff shoo-in. Going 8 years at the bottom of the standings is WAYYY too long to have to wait for that to happen.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632888 is a reply to message #632887 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 12:51

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Mike wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 12:43

Adam wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 15:30

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 10:15

Hibernia wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 10:04

...and that awesome team has won 2 more playoff rounds than the Oilers in that time frame. I would hope we're aiming a little higher than that.

I never said the Coyotes were awesome just that they were run better by the NHL than the Oilers were.

Exactly. There are lots of teams that have also failed to win games, make the playoffs, win playoff rounds, celebrate Stanley Cup victories, etc. over the eight years. But are there any that have won fewer games, made the playoffs less, won less rounds, and celebrated less championships over that time?

It may be a tallest midget competition to compare us to the Coyotes, but I have to say, I think I'd rather be in their shoes.

Not to go off on too much of a tangent, but I was one of those people who used to say "it's all about the Cup".

I don't subscribe to that thinking anymore. I want to be entertained. I want to see more wins than losses. I want to believe that my team at least has a shot at winning it all beyond Halloween.

I would trade 1 cup and 9 seasons with no playoffs for 10 playoff seasons but 0 Cups. Yes I want to see the team win the Cup, but more than that I want "MY" team to not be an embarrassment. I want "MY" team be a perennial playoff shoo-in. Going 8 years at the bottom of the standings is WAYYY too long to have to wait for that to happen.

The years spent scratching and clawing for 8th, only to lose to Dallas, seem like a veritable paradise now.

Btw, there have been just as many seasons between us beating Dallas and going to the cup finals as there have been between the cup finals and now.

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Re: Oilers Sign Tkachev...Not so Fast! Deal Ineligible [message #632877 is a reply to message #632873 ]	Wed, 01 October 2014 08:52

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 October 2014 07:04

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 30 September 2014 21:08

Brutal. The NHL knew he was there. Even national media was reporting his presence, you would think they could have said something.

I would normally fault the Oilers for stuff like this but I think this one is on the NHL. What a gong show this is.

It's not the NHL's job to run the Edmonton Oilers, even if they'd probably do a better job of it.

Yeah, I revisited it in my head and I agree, silly I expected the NHL to know about every teams' camp invites and if they are eligible. Obviously they found out he was ineligible once the deal was announced and the contract had to be processed.

This is more on the the Oilers not doing their due diligence before inviting a player and finding out his eligibility. More specifically this is probably where the lawyer assistant GM should have come in.

Clean house or bust

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