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 Re: 2023-24 OOT Thread [message #832997 is a reply to message #832996 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 09:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 08:27

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 09:13

Can Stamkos be our cap manager?

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Stamkos on considering accepting a lower salary to stay here: "I think that has been a part of everyone's thought process in the core group of guys that we have had here in terms of what guys have taken over the years to stay here. I understand the tax advantage and that type of thing. Kuch is making $9.5. That is probably grossly underpaid in terms of what guys are getting now. Vasy. Pointer with 40 or 50 goals every year. You look at Matthews. What did he sign for? $13.5 or something? Heddy is making under $8 million. That is grossly underpaid if you look at what he has done. That is what everyone has done here and that is why we have had the success and that is the way it has been for this organization. I think that that in itself is a testament to management in how they want to build a team and, first and foremost, the players for wanting to do that and accept that and allow the management to go out there and build a roster to compete for the Stanley Cup. I think that's just always been the way it's been here"


https://x.com/Gabby_Shirley_/status/1785692569990525059

I think it isn't a question of staying to "win" for Stamkos. They will be competitive, anything is possible but I see their window closing. But what does he want for his life? He's made almost $100 mill in NHL salary, based on the tax situation in Florida, he's taken home I am sure a big time chunk of it. He's spend his entire 16 yr career in Tampa. That's his home, that's where he's raised his family. He's won a couple of cups. He will be 35 in Feb. He scored 41 goals this year. His production might start to tail off some but he's probably got a couple good seasons left in him. Does he seriously want to pack up his family to chase money?

Would some team give him a raise on his 8.5? Most likely. He's a name, has cups, scored 41 goals. But really, how much money is enough?


What impresses me about his answer is it isn’t about him, how much money he has made, or his next contract at all really. It’s about how everyone has taken discounts, and should continue to take discounts, and even goes so far to praise management for making that happen so they could win some cups. That’s a leader who gets the message, but importantly a management who knows which message to send.



Good point but I do think, and this is only my opinion, it's also him saying that in a way to justify to maybe not his team but others in the union. The union wants all the players to max out because it drives up everyone elses salary.

I have no doubt in my mind there is a low end team with cap space who would offer him a raise. As an example. Utah. Brand new team, owner with money burning a hole in his pocket. No offense to the former Yotes players but not one of them is a name. Keller is a good player but ask a non hockey hardcore person and I bet you'd fine people who don't know he exists. Ask any person who remotely follows hockey and I bet they have heard of Stamkos. Won some cups, gold medal. Probably future hall of famer. He just scored 40 goals. If they gave Stamkos 9-10 mill for 3+ yrs to come to Utah, their fan base won't care he will be 35 and how that contract ages. They will think "We got Stamkos!!"

But if he doesn't want to move the family, he's going to have to take a pay cut. I bet in the 6 mill range, maybe less. Pretending the Oilers had the cap space and the want, and he wanted to come to Edmonton, I would not want the Oilers to give him anymore than what Hyman makes due to the age.



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 Re: 2023-24 OOT Thread [message #832999 is a reply to message #832996 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 09:51

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 08:27

smyth260 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 09:13

Can Stamkos be our cap manager?

Quote:

Stamkos on considering accepting a lower salary to stay here: "I think that has been a part of everyone's thought process in the core group of guys that we have had here in terms of what guys have taken over the years to stay here. I understand the tax advantage and that type of thing. Kuch is making $9.5. That is probably grossly underpaid in terms of what guys are getting now. Vasy. Pointer with 40 or 50 goals every year. You look at Matthews. What did he sign for? $13.5 or something? Heddy is making under $8 million. That is grossly underpaid if you look at what he has done. That is what everyone has done here and that is why we have had the success and that is the way it has been for this organization. I think that that in itself is a testament to management in how they want to build a team and, first and foremost, the players for wanting to do that and accept that and allow the management to go out there and build a roster to compete for the Stanley Cup. I think that's just always been the way it's been here"


https://x.com/Gabby_Shirley_/status/1785692569990525059

I think it isn't a question of staying to "win" for Stamkos. They will be competitive, anything is possible but I see their window closing. But what does he want for his life? He's made almost $100 mill in NHL salary, based on the tax situation in Florida, he's taken home I am sure a big time chunk of it. He's spend his entire 16 yr career in Tampa. That's his home, that's where he's raised his family. He's won a couple of cups. He will be 35 in Feb. He scored 41 goals this year. His production might start to tail off some but he's probably got a couple good seasons left in him. Does he seriously want to pack up his family to chase money?

Would some team give him a raise on his 8.5? Most likely. He's a name, has cups, scored 41 goals. But really, how much money is enough?


What impresses me about his answer is it isn’t about him, how much money he has made, or his next contract at all really. It’s about how everyone has taken discounts, and should continue to take discounts, and even goes so far to praise management for making that happen so they could win some cups. That’s a leader who gets the message, but importantly a management who knows which message to send.




Honestly, the Oilers management should have been making similar arguments to players for years - ever since the McDavid extension, where he left money on the table. The problem is that they got that extra money and immediately blew it on overpaying guys like Kris Russell and Eric Gryba and while none of those guys are anywhere near McDavid money, it all counts. You can't have your best players the only ones willing to sacrifice a little.

It takes a bit of a different mentality though in order to make it work. The Lightning, the Golden Knights and a couple other teams have the mentality that they're going to compete for the Cup every season. Sometimes they're going to fall short, but they have a very defined goal. The Oilers rather spent most of McDavid's careers trying to explain to fans why they shouldn't be expected to compete yet, and you can't tell the media and fans not to expect Cups and out the other side of your mouth convince players to take less because you're building a winning team here.

If you ARE in that mindset though - even your approaches to UFAs are different. You sell them on the vision, not simply outspend your competitors. You tell them that you're sure they can make more money elsewhere, but here they're going to drink champagne out of Lord Stanley's Mug. It is a model that works, and it's a shame that the Oilers never really ever embraced it. If we win, and manage to re-sign our top guys, then maybe we can change course now and start adopting something like that.

It definitely helps that we're shooting the old horse who's currently in that seat at the end of the year...



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 Re: 2023-24 OOT Thread [message #833006 is a reply to message #832999 ]
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Absolutely. We had a card to play in those early McDavid years and we didn’t play it. After 97, I am not sure we have that luxury anymore without some real strong leadership.


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Nielson show had this on today, give'r a listen. It's pretty darn great.

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LA praying for a quick end to the playoffs? When the finals end as huge implications for the cost of buying Dubois out! Lol

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 19:09

LA praying for a quick end to the playoffs? When the finals end as huge implications for the cost of buying Dubois out! Lol

https://twitter.com/PuckPedia/status/1786116427671560385?t=h HRCKMW8dfeFGVBQABtncA&s=19


There is also just trading him outright before July 1st, 2024 before his no trade clause kicks in...though much more costly.

Rumors swirled about how both the Bruins and Flames had deals with the Kings to send Ullmark from the prior and Markstrom of the latter to LA yet both rejected the trades.

Ullmark = wanted to stay in the east coast
Markstrom = wanted to stay in a relatively colder climate...(kind of how both Ekholm and his wife were ecstatic about the cold in Edmonton).

Flames would not have gotten Dubois in moving their goalie but a centre hungry team like the Bruins would've fetched Dubois from what I hear.

Would a 1/3 buyout of Dubois's contract before the age of 26 have the same cap penalties similar to what the Red Wings are dealing by acquiring Yamamoto & then subsequently buying him out?

If so, that'd be a 1.4 million cap hit for 14 years haha.

Edit: Wait...nevermind....here's the answer to my own question.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/pierre-luc-dub ois

PLD would still be making 27 mil over time for one underachieving season in LA in this case.

If they do indeed move PLD before July 1st, they'd have even less leverage seeing how the dude had 1 goal in garbage time & 20 penalty minutes in this most recent series. This means they'd have to give picks/assets just to get rid of the contract whereas PLD's trade stock was indeed relatively higher in the regular season for a team desperately seeking help up the middle.



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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 19:28

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 19:09

LA praying for a quick end to the playoffs? When the finals end as huge implications for the cost of buying Dubois out! Lol

https://twitter.com/PuckPedia/status/1786116427671560385?t=h HRCKMW8dfeFGVBQABtncA&s=19


There is also just trading him outright before July 1st, 2024 before his no trade clause kicks in...though much more costly.

Rumors swirled about how both the Bruins and Flames had deals with the Kings to send Ullmark from the prior and Markstrom of the latter to LA yet both rejected the trades.

Ullmark = wanted to stay in the east coast
Markstrom = wanted to stay in a relatively colder climate...(kind of how both Ekholm and his wife were ecstatic about the cold in Edmonton).

Flames would not have gotten Dubois in moving their goalie but a centre hungry team like the Bruins would've fetched Dubois from what I hear.

Would a 1/3 buyout of Dubois's contract before the age of 26 have the same cap penalties similar to what the Red Wings are dealing by acquiring Yamamoto & then subsequently buying him out?

If so, that'd be a 1.4 million cap hit for 14 years haha.

Edit: Wait...nevermind....here's the answer to my own question.

https://www.capfriendly.com/buyout-calculator/pierre-luc-dub ois

PLD would still be making 27 mil over time for one underachieving season in LA in this case.

If they do indeed move PLD before July 1st, they'd have even less leverage seeing how the dude had 1 goal in garbage time & 20 penalty minutes in this most recent series. This means they'd have to give picks/assets just to get rid of the contract whereas PLD's trade stock was indeed relatively higher in the regular season for a team desperately seeking help up the middle.


Saw a thing with capfriendly that based on PLD’s age when the Stanley Cup Final ends and the buyout window opens, it could be a 1/3 buyout or a 2/3 buyout. He turns 26 on June 24, and a buyout after he turns 26 would be a 2/3 buyout.



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This game 6 Leafs/Bruins game is soooo boring.

Bruins have 1 shot after 30 minutes.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 02 May 2024 19:26

This game 6 Leafs/Bruins game is soooo boring.

Bruins have 1 shot after 30 minutes.


Boston looks so bad. Guess they have a 5 or 6 game streak of losing when they can win a series. Working on adding to it looks like.

Just look like a team that is full on choking. Can't even make simple passes



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Kyle Bukauskas looks like he’s made out of Play-Doh.

Like a Pixar character.

Like an AI approximation of a human being.



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Playing against Florida seems like fun

Erik Cernak - Shoulder AC Joint Sprain sustained in Game 2
Brandon Hagel - A glute strain sustained in game 3.
Nick Perbix - A shoulder AC Joint Sprain sustained in game 1
Darren Raddysh - An abdominal and left hip iliac crest contusion from a crosscheck in game 3



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Oilers fans melt down when the Oilers lose the odd game to a lower team in the regular season. I can't imagine what Bruins fans are doing right now. icon_lol

3-1 lead in the series, Matthews out both games and they lose both only scoring 1 goal per game. What's a stronger word than choking?



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Not sure if I should be worried the Oilers are going to have to face a shutdown team, or elated they are going to face a team that straight up can't score.


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Vancouver it is.


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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 19:48

Vancouver it is.

Works for me. I think we have a very good chance here. The downside is we won't hear the end of it if the Canucks squeeze out a win.



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JPro wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 22:50

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 19:48

Vancouver it is.

Works for me. I think we have a very good chance here. The downside is we won't hear the end of it if the Canucks squeeze out a win.


Yep. Was hoping for Nashville, but Vancouver hasn't faced our full strength line up post-Woody yet, so regular season results mean exactly zero (just ask the Jets how relevant their regular season results vs the Avs were)

I guess another benefit of it being Nashville would have been that I wouldn't have to deal with as many 11pm-12am puck drops, but ah well...sacrifices must be made. It's only sleep after all.



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JPro wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 19:50

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 19:48

Vancouver it is.

Works for me. I think we have a very good chance here. The downside is we won't hear the end of it if the Canucks squeeze out a win.

True - but they won't either if the Oilers win.

Crazy how little they've played the Canucks in the playoffs..should be fun. I think the Oiers win in 5 or 6.



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NetBOG wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 18:48

Vancouver it is.


I’m officially living behind enemy lines.



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nullterm wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 18:56

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 18:48

Vancouver it is.


I’m officially living behind enemy lines.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 22:10

nullterm wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 18:56

NetBOG wrote on Fri, 03 May 2024 18:48

Vancouver it is.


I’m officially living behind enemy lines.



..You got company bud!

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Hahahaha, Rogers put the ABC feed of the Leafs game on CITY TV just so they can step on the American commercials.


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Leafs break the ice scoring first goal in the 3rd period of a Game 7 in Boston....Bruins counter....where have I seen this script before...


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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 04 May 2024 21:25

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Lol. Yikes. Gotta be some shaking up in the Leafs org. Better keep Nylander. Only guy that brings it in the playoffs.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 04 May 2024 22:32

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 04 May 2024 21:25

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Lol. Yikes. Gotta be some shaking up in the Leafs org. Better keep Nylander. Only guy that brings it in the playoffs.


Tavares has gotta go...send him somewhere in need of his "leadership"



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What even was that effort by Marner, that’s almost Dubois level bad, you can’t bungle it that bad


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Classic Leafs. Fight back from <games down> just to lose in game 7. Knda hilarious.

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Seems the story keeps running around that Paul Coffey mentored Wyatt Johnston and Coffey went out of his way to pressure the Oilers and Tyler Wright to pick him. Staios was also on board and pressuring for the Johnston pick. Wright ignored both and took Bourgault.

That's pretty messed up.

If we do somehow end up facing Dallas in the playoffs, Johnston is probably guaranteed half a dozen goals in the series.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 23:08

Thank you, Dallas. F$&& the Golden Shower Knights.


Yep. Good riddance. Dallas vs Colorado is going to be a heck of a series.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 21:11

Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 23:08

Thank you, Dallas. F$&& the Golden Shower Knights.


Yep. Good riddance. Dallas vs Colorado is going to be a heck of a series.


Hope both teams injure the heck out of each other....



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 20:11

Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 23:08

Thank you, Dallas. F$&& the Golden Shower Knights.


Yep. Good riddance. Dallas vs Colorado is going to be a heck of a series.


Yeah, suck it cheaters

Stone's LTIR space won them last game, but stone and his ltir couldn't get a thing done in game 7.

Scared of Dallas though lol. But concern for weeks down the road if we are.lucky.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 20:16

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 20:11

Ragnarok73 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2024 23:08

Thank you, Dallas. F$&& the Golden Shower Knights.


Yep. Good riddance. Dallas vs Colorado is going to be a heck of a series.


Yeah, suck it cheaters

Stone's LTIR space won them last game, but stone and his ltir couldn't get a thing done in game 7.

Scared of Dallas though lol. But concern for weeks down the road if we are.lucky.


There's no easy path with the options being Dallas and Colorado. Just gotta hope they beat the crap out of each other in a long series.



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Next season in February Peter Angelo will suffer from a bad anal fissure. Eichel will have a torn ball sack. Stone will just have a simple back injury to keep it all believable.


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From all those years of Oilers - Dallas, I puked in my mouth a little as I was cheering for them to win but very happy they pulled it off.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 10:16

From all those years of Oilers - Dallas, I puked in my mouth a little as I was cheering for them to win but very happy they pulled it off.



Recency bias for me. As much as I despise Dallas, I hated the Mike Modano Stars more than the today's Knights. I am sure a series against Dallas this year will re-ignite my great dislike for the team and their ugly neon jerseys.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 10:16

From all those years of Oilers - Dallas, I puked in my mouth a little as I was cheering for them to win but very happy they pulled it off.



Recency bias for me. As much as I despise Dallas, I hated the Mike Modano Stars more than the today's Knights. I am sure a series against Dallas this year will re-ignite my great dislike for the team and their ugly neon jerseys.


Jaime Benn stands ready to fuel our hate. I'm sure the cheap shots will be flying.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 13:15

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 12:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 10:16

From all those years of Oilers - Dallas, I puked in my mouth a little as I was cheering for them to win but very happy they pulled it off.



Recency bias for me. As much as I despise Dallas, I hated the Mike Modano Stars more than the today's Knights. I am sure a series against Dallas this year will re-ignite my great dislike for the team and their ugly neon jerseys.


Jaime Benn stands ready to fuel our hate. I'm sure the cheap shots will be flying.


I just couldn't find myself cheering for Dallas against Vegas....imagine the Knights fluking into the WCF being even more banged up than the first two rounds...would've been a great opportunity for the Oilers (IF they beat Vancouver of course).

As for Benn & Seguin, my contacts have indicated these are really nice cool dudes off the ice. There's also however a legit reason why team owner Tom Gagliardi and CEO Jim Lites have repeatedly torn into those guys.

Dudes were perceived by management at one point as being crazy party animals more concerned with their off ice lifestyle than taking care of their long-term health while playing more consistently.

Now these two guys are still the highest compensated players with declining numbers all while nodding their heads....saying the right things to a local media outlet that cares exponentially more for say...the Dallas Cowboys than hockey....only to ride the coattails of the younger talent on their team....not sure if I can in good faith cheer for these guys to win a cup under these circumstances.

Despite some Avs fans being totally classless internet trolls, I'd probably root for their team to beat Dallas as their "leaders" and "best players" actually play up to their compensation levels; it's also a known fact that Mack, Makar, and Rantanen are totally obsessed with perfecting their craft as I definitely respect that.

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 12:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 10:16

From all those years of Oilers - Dallas, I puked in my mouth a little as I was cheering for them to win but very happy they pulled it off.



Recency bias for me. As much as I despise Dallas, I hated the Mike Modano Stars more than the today's Knights. I am sure a series against Dallas this year will re-ignite my great dislike for the team and their ugly neon jerseys.

I probably dislike the Knights more than the Modano Dallas mostly because Dallas didn't do anything other than just playing the Oilers a lot and being better. I never liked how Dallas would get all the vet calls from the refs (that still happens with vet teams in my opinion) but at the end of the day, the Modano Dallas were in the era where there was no cap. Their owner was way richer and was able to spend on better players. So it wasn't anything the did other than beat my team a lot.

The Knights, I know they aren't technically breaking any rules but they are manipulating the rules a ton and I think abusing some loop holes. Because they aren't technically breaking any rules, they aren't technically cheating but the stuff they are doing in my opinion goes against the spirit of rules, it looks shady as hell and make the league look a little unethical. When you are reporting players as being injured, with expected time frames to be away from the game, but that player breaks all recorded recovery timeframes to be ready to play in the playoffs, just looks bad on the league and looks like they are cheating.



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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 12:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 10:16

From all those years of Oilers - Dallas, I puked in my mouth a little as I was cheering for them to win but very happy they pulled it off.



Recency bias for me. As much as I despise Dallas, I hated the Mike Modano Stars more than the today's Knights. I am sure a series against Dallas this year will re-ignite my great dislike for the team and their ugly neon jerseys.

I probably dislike the Knights more than the Modano Dallas mostly because Dallas didn't do anything other than just playing the Oilers a lot and being better. I never liked how Dallas would get all the vet calls from the refs (that still happens with vet teams in my opinion) but at the end of the day, the Modano Dallas were in the era where there was no cap. Their owner was way richer and was able to spend on better players. So it wasn't anything the did other than beat my team a lot.

The Knights, I know they aren't technically breaking any rules but they are manipulating the rules a ton and I think abusing some loop holes. Because they aren't technically breaking any rules, they aren't technically cheating but the stuff they are doing in my opinion goes against the spirit of rules, it looks shady as hell and make the league look a little unethical. When you are reporting players as being injured, with expected time frames to be away from the game, but that player breaks all recorded recovery timeframes to be ready to play in the playoffs, just looks bad on the league and looks like they are cheating.


Plus the Oilers to Dallas back then is essentially what the Kings are too us. Door mats that meet up every year.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 13:25

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 12:05

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 06 May 2024 10:16

From all those years of Oilers - Dallas, I puked in my mouth a little as I was cheering for them to win but very happy they pulled it off.



Recency bias for me. As much as I despise Dallas, I hated the Mike Modano Stars more than the today's Knights. I am sure a series against Dallas this year will re-ignite my great dislike for the team and their ugly neon jerseys.

I probably dislike the Knights more than the Modano Dallas mostly because Dallas didn't do anything other than just playing the Oilers a lot and being better. I never liked how Dallas would get all the vet calls from the refs (that still happens with vet teams in my opinion) but at the end of the day, the Modano Dallas were in the era where there was no cap. Their owner was way richer and was able to spend on better players. So it wasn't anything the did other than beat my team a lot.

The Knights, I know they aren't technically breaking any rules but they are manipulating the rules a ton and I think abusing some loop holes. Because they aren't technically breaking any rules, they aren't technically cheating but the stuff they are doing in my opinion goes against the spirit of rules, it looks shady as hell and make the league look a little unethical. When you are reporting players as being injured, with expected time frames to be away from the game, but that player breaks all recorded recovery timeframes to be ready to play in the playoffs, just looks bad on the league and looks like they are cheating.


Yeah wouldn't say it was only their owner who had more money than ours...but moreso 25% of the league spending 60-80K annually on salaries whereas 75% including the Oilers were constantly shedding payroll every season....which didn't help matters any.

Imagine being able to add onto those 1997 and 1998 rosters that advanced to the 2nd round against any team in the early 2000s....good possibilities we all missed out on as drawing different teams in the first round instead of Dallas would've been more probable!

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