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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #2) [message #836048 is a reply to message #836047 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:23

welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:20

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255



They said on the broadcast that for the purposes of the delay of game penalty, the first point of contact with the puck is what matters. The replay clearly showed that was well within the defensive zone, perhaps close to a foot. The angle made it hard to tell exactly how far inside, but it was clearly at least 8 inches, or about 20 cm for you young’uns.





Missed that. That's an important detail, so definitely was delay of game.

For icings, usually if the puck appears to leave the stick on or over the red line, even in the air they wave off, which I think ppl were assuming was the rule for the delay of game.

These refs had an absolutely brutal night. The best the league has to offer sadly. AI robot refs can't come soon enough!


And as usual the broadcast team tiptoes around the misssed call and doesn’t really criticize “oh well, that will be a reviewable call next year”. How many times have we seen the Oilers get a penalty for delay after the officials conference for 2 minutes even if the original call is not penalty.
So sick of NHL officiating screwing the Oilers over in the playoffs at absolutely critical moments. Linking up with gambling sites is not going to improve things us in Gary Capone’s league.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:20

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255



They said on the broadcast that for the purposes of the delay of game penalty, the first point of contact with the puck is what matters. The replay clearly showed that was well within the defensive zone, perhaps close to a foot. The angle made it hard to tell exactly how far inside, but it was clearly at least 8 inches, or about 20 cm for you young’uns.




Everyone has a right to their opinion. Here's former NHL referee Tim Peel's.

https://x.com/TimCPeel20/status/1800508333918421045?s=19

Also former nhl referee Dave Jackson
https://x.com/ESPNRefNHL/status/1800488280036983021?s=19
https://x.com/ESPNRefNHL/status/1800525701746971030?s=19

I'm also ecstatic that Leon doesn't have a call with player safety today, as that would've been a huge hill to climb.

Home crowd will be behind the boys and we deserve this series to be tied up.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #2) [message #836066 is a reply to message #836063 ]
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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 13:05

welcometotheOC wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:20

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 06:03

I agree with the rule you posted. I guess we differ on when a puck is shot. I consider it when the puck leaves the stick, like an icing.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1800349701121966255



They said on the broadcast that for the purposes of the delay of game penalty, the first point of contact with the puck is what matters. The replay clearly showed that was well within the defensive zone, perhaps close to a foot. The angle made it hard to tell exactly how far inside, but it was clearly at least 8 inches, or about 20 cm for you young’uns.




Everyone has a right to their opinion. Here's former NHL referee Tim Peel's.

https://x.com/TimCPeel20/status/1800508333918421045?s=19

Also former nhl referee Dave Jackson
https://x.com/ESPNRefNHL/status/1800488280036983021?s=19
https://x.com/ESPNRefNHL/status/1800525701746971030?s=19

I'm also ecstatic that Leon doesn't have a call with player safety today, as that would've been a huge hill to climb.

Home crowd will be behind the boys and we deserve this series to be tied up.


Those crappy former NHL referees never think a ref misses any call. They will tow the party line no matter what.

That rule is pretty gray to be honest...yet another NHL rule completely open to interpretation which will create chaos next year when it's reviewable.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #2) [message #836034 is a reply to message #836028 ]
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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 02:44

And the puck over the glass doesn't fuss me because it was over the blue line. A good call by the referees.


lol what? Nah man - that was a penalty. Almost a full 2 minute 5 on 3? That would have been massive.



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Not sure what’s wrong with him, but Kane is pretty useless at this point. Can’t imagine Gagner would be any worse.

And Nurse was obviously in pretty bad shape - can’t see him being 100% Thursday. Have to put Ceci back in, then you can go

Broberg - Desharnais, Kulak - Ceci, or Broberg - Ceci and Kulak - Desharnais. Everybody on their string side.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Florida (Game #2) [message #836057 is a reply to message #836035 ]
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Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 05:16

Not sure what’s wrong with him, but Kane is pretty useless at this point.

Well he's playing with a hernia that apparently he's had all year but they decided not to get fixed during the season because I guess they didn't want to have him healthy for the playoffs and have to figure out what to do with all that extra cap space. Yes he is exactly the player they need at his best in this series but at least he played in game 53 against Anaheim.



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Jay wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 14:36

Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 05:16

Not sure what’s wrong with him, but Kane is pretty useless at this point.

Well he's playing with a hernia that apparently he's had all year but they decided not to get fixed during the season because I guess they didn't want to have him healthy for the playoffs and have to figure out what to do with all that extra cap space. Yes he is exactly the player they need at his best in this series but at least he played in game 53 against Anaheim.


Hearing that was one of the Oilerest things in all Oilerland ever. What the hell? Another $5M or so player at the deadline? Could have been nice. boom



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Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.

I'd bet my house he's back next game. If mcdavid scores on the breakaway he would have been back last night.

The guy who lied on the ice like his leg got amputated and had to be helped down the tunnel was back like 2 shifts later.

I was wondering why Nurse kept going back and forth down the tunnel but I guess it makes sense - probably noticed florida players doing it to draw penalties every 5 minutes and the refs biting every time.

[Updated on: Tue, 11 June 2024 04:21]


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Jay wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 03:44

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.

I'd bet my house he's back next game. If mcdavid scores on the breakaway he would have been back last night.

The guy who lied on the ice like his leg got amputated and had to be helped down the tunnel was back like 2 shifts later.

I was wondering why Nurse kept going back and forth down the tunnel but I guess it makes sense - probably noticed florida players doing it to draw penalties every 5 minutes and the refs biting every time.


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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 09:45

Jay wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 03:44

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.

I'd bet my house he's back next game. If mcdavid scores on the breakaway he would have been back last night.

The guy who lied on the ice like his leg got amputated and had to be helped down the tunnel was back like 2 shifts later.

I was wondering why Nurse kept going back and forth down the tunnel but I guess it makes sense - probably noticed florida players doing it to draw penalties every 5 minutes and the refs biting every time.


https://y.yarn.co/d294a046-54bf-4ee9-8ef3-66ff4b20a7bc_text.gif

I'd love for one of the Oilers players or coaches to publicly call out Barkov or Maurice for this embarrassing theatre.

Knob made a kind of low key referance to the idea in his post game where he mentioned that the only difference between the two kneeing penalties was that the florida player rolled around on the ice and Bouchard got right up.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 07:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.

There are other players not staying up. We can play much better. And we will at home

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.


Didn't Barkov play after the hit?

Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 10:08

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.


Didn't Barkov play after the hit?

Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.



I know the chances are slim to none, but I hope the refs watch this and feel totally embarrassed by how they were played and either don't call anything against them, or start calling embellishment.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 07:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 10:08

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.


Didn't Barkov play after the hit?

Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.



I know the chances are slim to none, but I hope the refs watch this and feel totally embarrassed by how they were played and either don't call anything against them, or start calling embellishment.

It isn't really fair to expect them to be able to process at that level though.

Its like if you come home and your dog has chewed up the furniture. You can't just ask him to solve a differential equation. Just hope he doesn't piss all over the floor next time.



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A really disappointing/frustrating game.

The refs. This series is turning into a WWE match and the refs are allowing it. Guys flying around trying to make nasty hits. One example that didn't end up badly was Rodrigues trying to do a flying hit on Carrick. Carrick thankfully lost and edge but he was clearly trying to catapult himself into Carrick. Bennett gets a 2 min kneeing, they give Foegele 5. I can't tell the difference. Missed a blatant over the glass that would have given the 5-3. Ekblad is choking out Bouchard. It's getting out of hand real fast. The Oilers players need to roll around more because I think if Bouchard is slow to get up on the knee, it's more than 2.

The top 6. Shoot the flipping puck. Florida is good. Bob is good. I get it. But they are passing up premium shots especially McD and Leon. Shoot the puck, stop with the extra pass. Florida is really good at pucks in passing lanes so shoot the damn puck. Ekholm scored by shooting the puck. Nuge hit the damn net!!!! This is what you have wanted since you were drafted. Hyman same. You left the Leafs for this. Hit the damn net. You can't win a game when you score 1 goal in 2 games. Shoot the puck and hit the freaking net! You have had many, many great looks and you missed.

Bouch needs to take a breath. Relax!!! He's giving the puck away, bobbling pucks at the line that he normally gets all the time. Can't get his shot through like normal. Relax. Take a breath.

The series isn't over. They have not been outclassed, they were the superior team in game 1. Get going boys!



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It is my hope that the coaching staff will have a long chat with McD and Leon and ask them to play a more straight line get pucks on goal game because I think the rest of the team does what they do. I know McD and Leon are ridiculously skilled and like to make pretty plays but I don't want to see the 3rd and 4th lines trying to pass pucks through 3 defenders for back door tap ins because it doesn't work for them.

I watch what Florida is doing and it's nothing fancy. Forecheck hard, get guys going to the net for screens and firing it on goal. If the goalie can't see it and you hit your spot, it usually goes in. I don't see Florida making the extra pass like the Oilers keep doing.

Are we seeing the Oilers moving away from McLeod? For guys that played the game, McLeod was second lowest at 9:03. Only guy with less was Carrick. I am excluding Foegele because he was thrown out so early. So the coaching staff was choosing not to play McLeod much he entire game even with being down Foegele. That's not a good thing.



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Have a feeling that Hyman might be one of the most injured guys now. Kane is just a ghost, but he already has an excuse, although something we could have fixed 7 months ago apparently.

We are in a rough spot now with pretty useless wingers in the top 6 for 5v5 play. We are getting spanked by Florida's top 6 wingers while their centers go to war with our top 2 guys. Evan Rodrigues and Verhaeghe the difference makers.


If we want to be consistent contenders, we really need to fix our top 6 winger situation. Nuge is pretty darn useless 5v5 against solid defending teams. Kane, always has some crap going on. Hyman has done his job all playoffs, and unfortunately became a huge target because of how inept our wingers are. I think teams finally caught him enough times and he looks really slow out there now. Our top D pair are getting worn down too because there is really nothing else of value in our group of 6. Maybe Broberg can take a step finally next year, but we need a huge upgrade on RHD.


Issues for next year, for the next GM. For now, just hopes and prayers that McDavid and Drai can gut out another level for 4 wins.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 09:02

Have a feeling that Hyman might be one of the most injured guys now. Kane is just a ghost, but he already has an excuse, although something we could have fixed 7 months ago apparently.

We are in a rough spot now with pretty useless wingers in the top 6 for 5v5 play. We are getting spanked by Florida's top 6 wingers while their centers go to war with our top 2 guys. Evan Rodrigues and Verhaeghe the difference makers.


If we want to be consistent contenders, we really need to fix our top 6 winger situation. Nuge is pretty darn useless 5v5 against solid defending teams. Kane, always has some crap going on. Hyman has done his job all playoffs, and unfortunately became a huge target because of how inept our wingers are. I think teams finally caught him enough times and he looks really slow out there now. Our top D pair are getting worn down too because there is really nothing else of value in our group of 6. Maybe Broberg can take a step finally next year, but we need a huge upgrade on RHD.


Issues for next year, for the next GM. For now, just hopes and prayers that McDavid and Drai can gut out another level for 4 wins.

Hyman might be hurt, the Oilers have had some tough series. So that is why I think the Oilers need to play a simpler style. I have said it before over the years and I believe it to be true, I think there is a mindset among the Oilers at times and it comes from McD and Leon and then it trickles down through the whole team, that if a goal ain't pretty, it's not worth scoring. I am not saying they go around the room saying that but there is something in their brains that compels them to make the extra pass or play that is low percentage but if it works, the goal will be awesome.

I saw on one of the PP's last game. Nuge got the puck around the left dot/hash marks and he had a little time and space to shoot. Bob was coming across. Nuge would have had to pick a corner but it was there. Rather than shoot, Nuge tried to fire a pass cross ice to Leon for a one times who was in his spot. There was Hyman, plus 2 Panthers in front. If that puck gets through, it would be a highlight goal but it had to get through 3 guys and didn't. If Nuge shoots there and shoots high as long as he hits the net, he either scores, a rebound comes out to him for a second shot, a rebound is laying there for Hyman to tap in or it could go off a body and in. So there are 4 good outcomes that could cause a goal. If you try to force the pass and the puck doesn't get through, the play is dead. I see the Oilers far too many times where the Oilers players first choice is the low percentage play where if it works. WOW.

So for Hyman, if he's hurt, then shoot the puck. I saw him lots of time trying to take the puck around the goal, trying to force passes. Same with Nuge. How often do you see McD get a rebound goal? Rarely. If there is a guy who can get to a rebound, it's McD with his speed. So play like that. Fire the puck make it so if you don't score you have a rebound and bat it in. The Oilers get lets of goals scored against, doesn't matter the team they play, because of rebounds so pucks off legs or skates, tips, tap in. You don't see those same type of goals happen in the Oilers favor that often. For the Oilers, it's cross ice one timers, back door tap ins where the guy that scores is pointing at the guy that passed it or it's unreal shots. I think about when McLeod scored his first goal in 2 years against Dallas. What was it? Perry fired the puck on goal high, Oettinger saved it, popped off his chest, he didn't handle the puck fast enough, McLeod actually went to the net and popped it in. Just basic, not flashy, won't make top 50 goals of the year hockey that works every single time.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 08:54

It is my hope that the coaching staff will have a long chat with McD and Leon and ask them to play a more straight line get pucks on goal game because I think the rest of the team does what they do. I know McD and Leon are ridiculously skilled and like to make pretty plays but I don't want to see the 3rd and 4th lines trying to pass pucks through 3 defenders for back door tap ins because it doesn't work for them.

I watch what Florida is doing and it's nothing fancy. Forecheck hard, get guys going to the net for screens and firing it on goal. If the goalie can't see it and you hit your spot, it usually goes in. I don't see Florida making the extra pass like the Oilers keep doing.

Are we seeing the Oilers moving away from McLeod? For guys that played the game, McLeod was second lowest at 9:03. Only guy with less was Carrick. I am excluding Foegele because he was thrown out so early. So the coaching staff was choosing not to play McLeod much he entire game even with being down Foegele. That's not a good thing.


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Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 07:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 10:08

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.


Didn't Barkov play after the hit?

Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.



I know the chances are slim to none, but I hope the refs watch this and feel totally embarrassed by how they were played and either don't call anything against them, or start calling embellishment.

It can be hard for a ref to judge how much to call. Guys will dive for trips, grab sticks and hold them against their bodies to draw hooks or holds. What they should be embarrassed about is the missed puck over the glass. That was a potential game changing missed call as it should have been a 5 on 3.

It wasn't a case where there is a bunch of guys wacking at it in the corner, sticks and bodies everywhere and you have to decide if it goes over the glass or happened to tick of something. That Panther was in the middle of the ice, all by himself and 4 guys missed it. That's embarrassing and there should be reprocutions.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 11:48

Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 07:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 10:08

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.


Didn't Barkov play after the hit?

Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.



I know the chances are slim to none, but I hope the refs watch this and feel totally embarrassed by how they were played and either don't call anything against them, or start calling embellishment.

It can be hard for a ref to judge how much to call. Guys will dive for trips, grab sticks and hold them against their bodies to draw hooks or holds. What they should be embarrassed about is the missed puck over the glass. That was a potential game changing missed call as it should have been a 5 on 3.

It wasn't a case where there is a bunch of guys wacking at it in the corner, sticks and bodies everywhere and you have to decide if it goes over the glass or happened to tick of something. That Panther was in the middle of the ice, all by himself and 4 guys missed it. That's embarrassing and there should be reprocutions.

I think the puck over glass call was the easiest to miss. We're talking about an inch and a half of space in real time at NHL game speed when the play is moving up ice and everyone is focused on where the pass is going

If the team is relying on the refs to get calls, the series is already lost. Fortunately I doubt this is the case.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 11:53

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 11:48

Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 07:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 10:08

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 10 June 2024 23:22

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 00:13

Oilers went down 2-0 to the Sharks in 06, and won in 6. May history repeat itself.


Was Drai's elbow the equivalent of Torres removing Michalek's soul from his body?

Maybe needed to put more into it. Wouldn't be surprised if Barkov is in the next game.


Didn't Barkov play after the hit?

Pretty funny that every Panther goes down the tunnel now after all the perceived infractions to try and squeeze out a penalty.. and then come right back.. its coaching strategy.



I know the chances are slim to none, but I hope the refs watch this and feel totally embarrassed by how they were played and either don't call anything against them, or start calling embellishment.

It can be hard for a ref to judge how much to call. Guys will dive for trips, grab sticks and hold them against their bodies to draw hooks or holds. What they should be embarrassed about is the missed puck over the glass. That was a potential game changing missed call as it should have been a 5 on 3.

It wasn't a case where there is a bunch of guys wacking at it in the corner, sticks and bodies everywhere and you have to decide if it goes over the glass or happened to tick of something. That Panther was in the middle of the ice, all by himself and 4 guys missed it. That's embarrassing and there should be reprocutions.

I think the puck over glass call was the easiest to miss. We're talking about an inch and a half of space in real time at NHL game speed when the play is moving up ice and everyone is focused on where the pass is going

If the team is relying on the refs to get calls, the series is already lost. Fortunately I doubt this is the case.

Did you watch the replay? The guy was a foot inside his blueline with no one else around him. So there was a clear line of sight. They can't see that and you think it's easy to miss. But a player can be skating 30 mph per hour through the neutral zone and there be multiple players from both teams on the blueline and the linesmen in a split second can look through all those guys and call an offside and be right the huge majority of the time from the far side of the ice? I think you are letting them off way, way too easily. That's a call you can't miss. That's just BAD.



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I think no call on McDavid was pretty bad too - just because he didn't go down, he didn't get a penalty? Need to start flopping as soon as you feel the stick I suppose.


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Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 12:59

I think no call on McDavid was pretty bad too - just because he didn't go down, he didn't get a penalty? Need to start flopping as soon as you feel the stick I suppose.


That's probably the most egregious to me.

The ones where players are hurt, it's tough on the refs because they feel like they MUST have missed something. The puck over glass? It's a game of inches. I can guarantee they didn't think like Tim Peel suggests that they knew the puck left his stick a quarter of an inch after the blue line - but they didn't see it clearly and even if they should have, then that's a tough potentially game-changing call. It's no win for them there.

But McD on a clear breakaway with a player reaching in with his stick no where near the puck? That's awful.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 16:30

Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 12:59

I think no call on McDavid was pretty bad too - just because he didn't go down, he didn't get a penalty? Need to start flopping as soon as you feel the stick I suppose.


That's probably the most egregious to me.

The ones where players are hurt, it's tough on the refs because they feel like they MUST have missed something. The puck over glass? It's a game of inches. I can guarantee they didn't think like Tim Peel suggests that they knew the puck left his stick a quarter of an inch after the blue line - but they didn't see it clearly and even if they should have, then that's a tough potentially game-changing call. It's no win for them there.

But McD on a clear breakaway with a player reaching in with his stick no where near the puck? That's awful.


Tapping him both sides, reaching to his right and hooking him, and saving the best for last - stick between the legs. But all good. confused2



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Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 12:34

Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 16:30

Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 12:59

I think no call on McDavid was pretty bad too - just because he didn't go down, he didn't get a penalty? Need to start flopping as soon as you feel the stick I suppose.


That's probably the most egregious to me.

The ones where players are hurt, it's tough on the refs because they feel like they MUST have missed something. The puck over glass? It's a game of inches. I can guarantee they didn't think like Tim Peel suggests that they knew the puck left his stick a quarter of an inch after the blue line - but they didn't see it clearly and even if they should have, then that's a tough potentially game-changing call. It's no win for them there.

But McD on a clear breakaway with a player reaching in with his stick no where near the puck? That's awful.


Tapping him both sides, reaching to his right and hooking him, and saving the best for last - stick between the legs. But all good. confused2



THAT was a penalty shot .. ref right there.. sees the stick between the legs .. but consciously REFUSED to call it.. almost like the ref wanted the Florida player to break up the play.. weird



Other pro-sports leagues allow real time video review of plays in game, for almost any ruling the ref isn't sure about.. no challenge required.. rugby being one.. NBA basketball.. in Rugby they even broadcast the discussion between the ref on the field and the guy in the review booth.. all clear and OPEN.. they make rulings in under a minute.. pure competence

The NHL's excuse for not doing more review is the "time" required.. the game delay created.. but I think the real reason is it would take away their control of the game.. i.e. management.. no one in power wants to give it away easily.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 12:07


Did you watch the replay? The guy was a foot inside his blueline with no one else around him. So there was a clear line of sight. They can't see that and you think it's easy to miss. But a player can be skating 30 mph per hour through the neutral zone and there be multiple players from both teams on the blueline and the linesmen in a split second can look through all those guys and call an offside and be right the huge majority of the time from the far side of the ice? I think you are letting them off way, way too easily. That's a call you can't miss. That's just BAD.

Yeah, I saw it on the replay. Everyone did. Did you see it in real time? I certainly didn't.

Now there are 4 officials on the ice, but they all have different responsibilities. It's probably one guy's job to watch the puck leaving the zone. He missed it. C'est la vie. Win the game on the ice.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 13:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 12:07

n the refs to get calls, the series is already lost. Fortunately I doubt this is the case.

Did you watch the replay? The guy was a foot inside his blueline with no one else around him. So there was a clear line of sight. They can't see that and you think it's easy to miss. But a player can be skating 30 mph per hour through the neutral zone and there be multiple players from both teams on the blueline and the linesmen in a split second can look through all those guys and call an offside and be right the huge majority of the time from the far side of the ice? I think you are letting them off way, way too easily. That's a call you can't miss. That's just BAD.

Yeah, I saw it on the replay. Everyone did. Did you see it in real time? I certainly didn't.

Now there are 4 officials on the ice, but they all have different responsibilities. It's probably one guy's job to watch the puck leaving the zone. He missed it. C'est la vie. Win the game on the ice.
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If your argument was it was in real time, then how can they possibly get offsides right almost all the time? Those happen many, many times per game with bodies all over the place and they seem to be able to get it right the massive majority of the time.

You know, I get that I am posting this point but it's OK just to admit I am right and say that it was a really bad miss on their part vs coming up with excuses as to why they made a bad mistake. It wasn't a bang bang play with tons of traffic all over the place. It was in the middle of the ice and they flat out blew it. That's not OK and there is no excuse.



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Maurice and the Panthers really playing up Barkov's situation - to hear them talk, he is hanging on to life by the skin of his teeth.

I'm sure I am the only one that will be absolutely floored to see Barkov next game. It will be as stunning as Mark Stone's miraculous recovery just in time for game 1...again.

Thanks to the miracles of modern medicine. Pray for Barkov.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 13:33

Maurice and the Panthers really playing up Barkov's situation - to hear them talk, he is hanging on to life by the skin of his teeth.

I'm sure I am the only one that will be absolutely floored to see Barkov next game. It will be as stunning as Mark Stone's miraculous recovery just in time for game 1...again.

Thanks to the miracles of modern medicine. Pray for Barkov.

He really is a hero and an inspiration.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 13:28

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 13:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 12:07


Did you watch the replay? The guy was a foot inside his blueline with no one else around him. So there was a clear line of sight. They can't see that and you think it's easy to miss. But a player can be skating 30 mph per hour through the neutral zone and there be multiple players from both teams on the blueline and the linesmen in a split second can look through all those guys and call an offside and be right the huge majority of the time from the far side of the ice? I think you are letting them off way, way too easily. That's a call you can't miss. That's just BAD.

Yeah, I saw it on the replay. Everyone did. Did you see it in real time? I certainly didn't.

Now there are 4 officials on the ice, but they all have different responsibilities. It's probably one guy's job to watch the puck leaving the zone. He missed it. C'est la vie. Win the game on the ice.


If your argument was it was in real time, then how can they possibly get offsides right almost all the time? Those happen many, many times per game with bodies all over the place and they seem to be able to get it right the massive majority of the time.

You know, I get that I am posting this point but it's OK just to admit I am right and say that it was a really bad miss on their part vs coming up with excuses as to why they made a bad mistake. It wasn't a bang bang play with tons of traffic all over the place. It was in the middle of the ice and they flat out blew it. That's not OK and there is no excuse.

They don't get offsides right all the time. They miss a lot of them even though the play happens all the time and the linesmen are crouched down at the blueline staring at the zone entry. This was an odd situation where the guy responsible is probably watching for multiple things at once. Yeah, he missed it. It happens and I understand why it happens. I think it's understandable and just part of the game. It's certainly not something I'd spend time dwelling on.



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It should be reviewable. If you're going to have the 4 refs come together and discuss what everybody saw, a video replay would take less time and reduce the errors made.
This will be a rule change for 24-25 by the way.



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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 14:10

It should be reviewable. If you're going to have the 4 refs come together and discuss what everybody saw, a video replay would take less time and reduce the errors made.
This will be a rule change for 24-25 by the way.


The problem is that it isn't reviewable now. And the refs can't just make it reviewable. They missed it, so they can't fix it.



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My comment was more directed to, I can't believe it's not reviewable now. They've made other immediate changes to the rulebook. When deciding that this was going to change for 24-25, why make it wait until September? Why not just say, "this make sense to change... poof... it's now changed"


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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 14:51

My comment was more directed to, I can't believe it's not reviewable now. They've made other immediate changes to the rulebook. When deciding that this was going to change for 24-25, why make it wait until September? Why not just say, "this make sense to change... poof... it's now changed"

They probably couldn't get the necessary sign off from MGM sports book.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 14:13

Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 11 June 2024 14:10

It should be reviewable. If you're going to have the 4 refs come together and discuss what everybody saw, a video replay would take less time and reduce the errors made.
This will be a rule change for 24-25 by the way.


The problem is that it isn't reviewable now. And the refs can't just make it reviewable. They missed it, so they can't fix it.


Technically true, but MANY times we have seen 4 officials conference after one of these calls is made and have reversed it so the Oilers get a penalty. You know this to be true, come on Adam.



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Did we just go 2011 Canucks as a fan base?

I think we come back still, especially with Barkov put out. He's the main shut-down on our two stars.



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Rutuu wrote on Wed, 12 June 2024 03:58

especially with Barkov put out.

Lol



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