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 Re: Review: Florida @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #836303 is a reply to message #836299 ]
Fri, 14 June 2024 13:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 11:39

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 11:31

nullterm wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 10:20

McDavid 0 goals
Draisatl 0 goals
Hyman 0 goals
Nuge 0 goals
Bouchard 0 goals
Kane 0 goals


Just like it was for New York, Just as it was for Boston, just as it was for Tampa. All superstars were silenced with Florida's tight checking and seamless switching from zone to man to man back to zone coverage. Solid goaltendign helped too.

It's been a ride, we may get one more after this but it's over man.


Wonder if Zito, while he was on Columbus's farm team in 2019, would have taken $25,000,000 to build a team around McDavid and Drai.

Sadly, he wasn't Bobby Nicks first call, and he also wouldn't have taught Bobby the amazing term for prospects being "overripe", when Bobby was calling friends in 2019 to learn what a GM and POHO are supposed to do in the NHL. Bobby said "overripe" in every 2nd sentence for the next month.

Kenny, when Bobby came calling, in a scramble trying to learn what an NHL front office is actually supposed to do



Zito was apparently on our interview list, although it's always been unclear whether any interviews actually happened, because as much as Nicholson talked up how important it was to finally interview for that role, they learned that the Legendary Ken Holland was available, and that ended the process.

Zito's built a much more complete team. Here's the forward scoring for the Panthers to this point:

Barkov 21
Tkachuk 20
Verhaeghe 18
Lundell 15
Reinhart 15
Bennett 13
Rodrigues 12
Luostarinen 8
Tarasenko 8
Lorentz 3
Koposo 2
Cousins 1
Stenlund 1
Lomberg 0

Compare that to the Oilers:

McDavid 34
Draisaitl 28
Nugent-Hopkins 20
Hyman 18
Kane 8
Henrique 5
Brown 4
Foegele 4
Holloway 4
Janmark 4
Mcleod 2
Carrick 1
Ryan 1
Perry 1

That middle tier is completely missing from the Oilers. The Panthers have 7 forwards with over 10 points compared to just 4 Oilers. Nine of their guys have more than our fifth highest scoring forward.

At some point, some team is going to slow down your top guys, at least for a bit. It's inevitable, especially in the NHL where they don't do anything to protect the star players, and the playoffs are open season for cheap shots. So you need other people to step up. You need the Fernando Pisanis. The 2006 team didn't have the high end firepower, but they had 8 guys score double digit points in that post season.

It's the depth that has let the team down. I feel like Zito would have done a lot better job taking care of that. Probably doesn't wait a full five years too...

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 Re: Review: Florida @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #836305 is a reply to message #836297 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 11:08

Mike wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 09:26


You know who would have been awesome this year? The 2022 playoff version of Evander Kane. Man what a force he was that year. Almost scoring at will and hitting anything that moved. And hard. It was awesome to see.

If he really was injured all year and they didn’t just let him go get fixed up, it has to be considered a catastrophic blunder.

Get one of your only physically punishing guys healthy and ready to rock in the playoffs PLUS the LTIR space to add more firepower at the deadline, or just let him trudge through the regular season and playoffs as a shell of his former self?



Whether or not Kane was likely to rebound to form, it's just mind-bogglingly stupid to not get him the medical help he needed and to take advantage of the opportunities that his cap space would have afforded us.

When you add to that the team leaking that they pulled any discussion of trading Cody Ceci off the table because the team really likes him, you're talking about almost $10MM in cap room that the Oilers refused to avail themselves of. (Also, do you think that the last year of Ceci's deal is not harder to deal now?)

It's unconscionable, given the sheer importance of this season. The team's overcome a lot to get here...it's a shame they weren't given more tools, especially since that could have been relatively easily accomplished.

I'm staying positive. We aren't finished yet. The team pierced the armor of Florida last night and were unlucky not to have tied it up. That McLeod chance...arrrrgh. Our powerplay hasn't even arrived yet. When it does, it could be a difference maker.

And it's Sergei Bobrovsky. He of any goalie in the playoffs could fall apart at any time. I mean, this guy lost his job for a time last year to someone called Alex Lyon, whoever that is.

But I do think it's unforgivable how bad management failed this team this year.

I dont have any hard evidence of this but nurses injury sounds a lot like the hip flexer he had in 2022. Did he ever actually get that fixed? How long has he been dragging around that injury?

29 I think has been playing with broken ribs since round 2.

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 Re: Review: Florida @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #836306 is a reply to message #836305 ]
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Jay wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 16:10

Adam wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 11:08

Mike wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 09:26


You know who would have been awesome this year? The 2022 playoff version of Evander Kane. Man what a force he was that year. Almost scoring at will and hitting anything that moved. And hard. It was awesome to see.

If he really was injured all year and they didn’t just let him go get fixed up, it has to be considered a catastrophic blunder.

Get one of your only physically punishing guys healthy and ready to rock in the playoffs PLUS the LTIR space to add more firepower at the deadline, or just let him trudge through the regular season and playoffs as a shell of his former self?



Whether or not Kane was likely to rebound to form, it's just mind-bogglingly stupid to not get him the medical help he needed and to take advantage of the opportunities that his cap space would have afforded us.

When you add to that the team leaking that they pulled any discussion of trading Cody Ceci off the table because the team really likes him, you're talking about almost $10MM in cap room that the Oilers refused to avail themselves of. (Also, do you think that the last year of Ceci's deal is not harder to deal now?)

It's unconscionable, given the sheer importance of this season. The team's overcome a lot to get here...it's a shame they weren't given more tools, especially since that could have been relatively easily accomplished.

I'm staying positive. We aren't finished yet. The team pierced the armor of Florida last night and were unlucky not to have tied it up. That McLeod chance...arrrrgh. Our powerplay hasn't even arrived yet. When it does, it could be a difference maker.

And it's Sergei Bobrovsky. He of any goalie in the playoffs could fall apart at any time. I mean, this guy lost his job for a time last year to someone called Alex Lyon, whoever that is.

But I do think it's unforgivable how bad management failed this team this year.

I dont have any hard evidence of this but nurses injury sounds a lot like the hip flexer he had in 2022. Did he ever actually get that fixed? How long has he been dragging around that injury?

29 I think has been playing with broken ribs since round 2.


Seen people claiming Drai has brokens ribs along wtih a foot and finger injury. His shot is just gone now.


We really messed up against the Canucks. That could have been a sweep. But we took our foot off the gas and choked game 1, and it took 4 more games to finally take that confidence away from them. 7 games of a huge D group running our forwards. We had a golden opportunity for that to only be 4 or 5 games max and messed it up.

That is the kind of thing that Florida corrected. They managed their playoffs much better, and when they could step on the neck of a team, they didn't let up.

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- Lowe, 2013

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 Re: Review: Florida @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #836307 is a reply to message #836306 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 16:36

Jay wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 16:10

Adam wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 11:08

Mike wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 09:26


You know who would have been awesome this year? The 2022 playoff version of Evander Kane. Man what a force he was that year. Almost scoring at will and hitting anything that moved. And hard. It was awesome to see.

If he really was injured all year and they didn’t just let him go get fixed up, it has to be considered a catastrophic blunder.

Get one of your only physically punishing guys healthy and ready to rock in the playoffs PLUS the LTIR space to add more firepower at the deadline, or just let him trudge through the regular season and playoffs as a shell of his former self?



Whether or not Kane was likely to rebound to form, it's just mind-bogglingly stupid to not get him the medical help he needed and to take advantage of the opportunities that his cap space would have afforded us.

When you add to that the team leaking that they pulled any discussion of trading Cody Ceci off the table because the team really likes him, you're talking about almost $10MM in cap room that the Oilers refused to avail themselves of. (Also, do you think that the last year of Ceci's deal is not harder to deal now?)

It's unconscionable, given the sheer importance of this season. The team's overcome a lot to get here...it's a shame they weren't given more tools, especially since that could have been relatively easily accomplished.

I'm staying positive. We aren't finished yet. The team pierced the armor of Florida last night and were unlucky not to have tied it up. That McLeod chance...arrrrgh. Our powerplay hasn't even arrived yet. When it does, it could be a difference maker.

And it's Sergei Bobrovsky. He of any goalie in the playoffs could fall apart at any time. I mean, this guy lost his job for a time last year to someone called Alex Lyon, whoever that is.

But I do think it's unforgivable how bad management failed this team this year.

I dont have any hard evidence of this but nurses injury sounds a lot like the hip flexer he had in 2022. Did he ever actually get that fixed? How long has he been dragging around that injury?

29 I think has been playing with broken ribs since round 2.


Seen people claiming Drai has brokens ribs along wtih a foot and finger injury. His shot is just gone now.


We really messed up against the Canucks. That could have been a sweep. But we took our foot off the gas and choked game 1, and it took 4 more games to finally take that confidence away from them. 7 games of a huge D group running our forwards. We had a golden opportunity for that to only be 4 or 5 games max and messed it up.

That is the kind of thing that Florida corrected. They managed their playoffs much better, and when they could step on the neck of a team, they didn't let up.

And we get a summer of hearing about how the most overrated player in the league shut down 29 and 97. Just like he shut down marchand and the bruins. Barkovs defensive skills were enough to made sure he couldn't score from the hospital.

I still think that if both teams are healthy and playing actual hockey this is a short series oilers win. But that's not the NHL. The oilers in particular due to the way they are built will need to go through 4 rounds where the only goal of the opposition is doing everything they can to injure 29 and 97.

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 Re: Review: Florida @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #836311 is a reply to message #836303 ]
Fri, 14 June 2024 21:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Adam wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 13:59

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 11:39

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 11:31

nullterm wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 10:20

McDavid 0 goals
Draisatl 0 goals
Hyman 0 goals
Nuge 0 goals
Bouchard 0 goals
Kane 0 goals


Just like it was for New York, Just as it was for Boston, just as it was for Tampa. All superstars were silenced with Florida's tight checking and seamless switching from zone to man to man back to zone coverage. Solid goaltendign helped too.

It's been a ride, we may get one more after this but it's over man.


Wonder if Zito, while he was on Columbus's farm team in 2019, would have taken $25,000,000 to build a team around McDavid and Drai.

Sadly, he wasn't Bobby Nicks first call, and he also wouldn't have taught Bobby the amazing term for prospects being "overripe", when Bobby was calling friends in 2019 to learn what a GM and POHO are supposed to do in the NHL. Bobby said "overripe" in every 2nd sentence for the next month.

Kenny, when Bobby came calling, in a scramble trying to learn what an NHL front office is actually supposed to do



Zito was apparently on our interview list, although it's always been unclear whether any interviews actually happened, because as much as Nicholson talked up how important it was to finally interview for that role, they learned that the Legendary Ken Holland was available, and that ended the process.

Zito's built a much more complete team. Here's the forward scoring for the Panthers to this point:

Barkov 21
Tkachuk 20
Verhaeghe 18
Lundell 15
Reinhart 15
Bennett 13
Rodrigues 12
Luostarinen 8
Tarasenko 8
Lorentz 3
Koposo 2
Cousins 1
Stenlund 1
Lomberg 0

Compare that to the Oilers:

McDavid 34
Draisaitl 28
Nugent-Hopkins 20
Hyman 18
Kane 8
Henrique 5
Brown 4
Foegele 4
Holloway 4
Janmark 4
Mcleod 2
Carrick 1
Ryan 1
Perry 1

That middle tier is completely missing from the Oilers. The Panthers have 7 forwards with over 10 points compared to just 4 Oilers. Nine of their guys have more than our fifth highest scoring forward.

At some point, some team is going to slow down your top guys, at least for a bit. It's inevitable, especially in the NHL where they don't do anything to protect the star players, and the playoffs are open season for cheap shots. So you need other people to step up. You need the Fernando Pisanis. The 2006 team didn't have the high end firepower, but they had 8 guys score double digit points in that post season.

It's the depth that has let the team down. I feel like Zito would have done a lot better job taking care of that. Probably doesn't wait a full five years too...



Just looking at Zito's start in Florida. He got Montour and Bennett for a bag of blueberries. Nice moves to fix the D and add what ended up one of their best playoff wingers off the bat, identifying very useful players improperly used on trash teams. Also identified Verhaeghe as having potential and only costed 1M to get him while everyone else was napping. Tampa let Verhaeghe just go UFA instead of qualifying him.

We remain amazed that Holland was able to manage 1 good trade and UFA signing in 5 years.

[Updated on: Fri, 14 June 2024 21:57]

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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 Re: Review: Florida @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #836312 is a reply to message #836311 ]
Fri, 14 June 2024 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 21:53


Just looking at Zito's start in Florida. He got Montour and Bennett for a bag of blueberries. Nice moves to fix the D and add what ended up one of their best playoff wingers off the bat, identifying very useful players improperly used on trash teams. Also identified Verhaeghe as having potential and only costed 1M to get him while everyone else was napping. Tampa let Verhaeghe just go UFA instead of qualifying him.

We remain amazed that Holland was able to manage 1 good trade and UFA signing in 5 years.


Sam Reinhart for Devon Levi and a first round pick (31st overall - now Jiri Kulich).

Gustav Forsling off waivers.

Ekman-Larsson for cheap after his Vancouver buyout.

They have done well identifying undervalued talent and getting it in house for low acquisition costs and reasonable salaries. They're facing Reinhart leaving as UFA this year and haven't panicked about that - kept him rather than dealing him away. And they have $20MM cap space this summer to deal with some of those challenges and despite having two $10MM players plus another at $9.5MM.

I mean, I really like Hyman and Ekholm, but that shouldn't be considered enough for the guy making the most money of any GM. Other GMs have built better top-to-bottom teams with less advantages to start with.

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 Re: Review: Florida @ Edmonton (Game #3) [message #836313 is a reply to message #836312 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 22:23

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 14 June 2024 21:53


Just looking at Zito's start in Florida. He got Montour and Bennett for a bag of blueberries. Nice moves to fix the D and add what ended up one of their best playoff wingers off the bat, identifying very useful players improperly used on trash teams. Also identified Verhaeghe as having potential and only costed 1M to get him while everyone else was napping. Tampa let Verhaeghe just go UFA instead of qualifying him.

We remain amazed that Holland was able to manage 1 good trade and UFA signing in 5 years.


Sam Reinhart for Devon Levi and a first round pick (31st overall - now Jiri Kulich).

Gustav Forsling off waivers.

Ekman-Larsson for cheap after his Vancouver buyout.

They have done well identifying undervalued talent and getting it in house for low acquisition costs and reasonable salaries. They're facing Reinhart leaving as UFA this year and haven't panicked about that - kept him rather than dealing him away. And they have $20MM cap space this summer to deal with some of those challenges and despite having two $10MM players plus another at $9.5MM.

I mean, I really like Hyman and Ekholm, but that shouldn't be considered enough for the guy making the most money of any GM. Other GMs have built better top-to-bottom teams with less advantages to start with.


Hyman. Every year Holland is the high bidder on a hyped UFA. Same crap got us Campbell.

Ekholm. Follow the TSN trade target list, see the guys near the top. Whoever will take Barrie and a 1st, SOLD. Lucky Ek struggled all year with a young D and Nashville was being dumb cap dumping him after getting McDonagh.

Usually GM's only get 2 coaches. If we stuck with Woody, we would have been lucky to win a round this year. I do hope Katz has been seriously paying attention for once. Badly need a good GM hire. This is the actual last chance.

[Updated on: Fri, 14 June 2024 22:42]

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