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 Re: Larsson a Kraken [message #789703 is a reply to message #789682 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:23

Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:57

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:25

Adam wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:22

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:19

Brutal. Guess he just wanted a fresh start.

Messier 2.0's trade tree ended up a lot shorter than Messier 1.0.

The trade was one for one will live on for all time! :)


Hey, Bob Stauffer told me it was basically Hall for Larsson, Lucic and Cap Space. Now we have even more cap space and James Neal!!!!

You must be thrilled Larsson is gone. You did nothing but bash the guy and tell us how much of a mistake it would be to sign a guy like him due to his back issues and limited skills.
Bear is apparently better than Larsson according to some in here so there shouldn't be a problem right?


It would be a mistake to chew up yet another thread with a bunch of snarky comments from you, so I'm not going to spend all day responding. That said, Bear being better than Larsson doesn't mean that Larsson had no value. You always seem to think that if someone says X is better than Y that that somehow reduces Y's value to nil...but in fact, you need multiple RD on the team. If we had a greater sample size of viewings on Bouchard, maybe you could be comfortable seeing Larsson sail in to the sunset because you have Bouchard step up and take a larger role, but we haven't seen that and it's usually better to break in rookies with weaker opposition.

Signing someone like Barrie, who also needs weaker competition means that the heavy lifting required by Bear - who is himself a younger defenceman still - is extreme. We have virtually no one else at RD right now. The rest of the good prospects are LD, so it leaves a big hole to patch.

If it makes you feel better about losing Larsson and the direction this management is trending, then you can continue to misrepresent my views to your heart's content though.


So I misrepresented what you said. I guess someone took control of your account then on that day in the Adam Larsson extension thread, message #784919.

"Agreed with this. Bear is better than Larsson already. Larsson is limited in what he can do, because he isn't a very good puck-mover and he relies a lot on his defence partner to advance the puck. His usage for a lot of this year is something I dislike seeing from Tippett, because when he plays with guys like Russell, they are in a never-ending cycle of dump it out and then defend again.

Bouchard - it's too early to tell, but I think he could quickly surpass Larsson, especially if you go out more than one year. You really have to hope he does - because he's the great white hope for Oilers RD.

I do think Klefbom is miles ahead of Larsson in importance - if we lost one of the two to Seattle, I'd much rather see #6 go. I believe the winds are blowing towards a successful return for Klefbom - and while he's likely to have some rust on him, he's still an important player and could really solidify our LD side. I am still pretty worried he ends up in Seattle, because if he is unprotected, he's worth the gamble for them versus the leftovers we're offering them up otherwise. Unlike Matheson, I don't think there's a hope in hell that Seattle takes Josh Archibald - and if they do, I'm rejoicing."

So good news, they didn't lose Klefbom who's way more important than Larsson as he sits on LTIR for this season and maybe the next.


That does not say there is no value, or that we don't need three RD. We have a hole. Maybe you hadn't noticed?

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 Re: Larsson a Kraken [message #789710 is a reply to message #789646 ]
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I do think Larsson would be the 3rd most important right hand defenseman going forward. In theory I am not worried about losing him. If we had a competent GM I’d be okay with this because I’d be confident in their ability to find a replacement RD at a lower cost. But this is Ken Holland.

Man, does Barrie get carved everywhere you look though. Fans, analytics people, mainstream media… I’d bring him back on the right deal. Dude lead the league in D scoring, nobody seems to count that.

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Skoobz wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:50

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:07

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:03

I don't understand airlifting in a 38 yr old and letting a 28 yr old walk, but if Larsson wanted out, this is the least damaging scenario for the expansion draft. Losing a guy who was already gone.

Could be that they have a deal in place with Barrie already, and Larsson wasn't in the financial plans.

Worst case is they take this $4+ million in cap space plus more and piss it away on a non-elite forward (I'm looking at you, Hyman). This is shaping up to be a horrid summer.


We probably could have given Larsson a piece of that 5.5M we committed to Keith to get him to stay. Sounds like we were only offering equal money to Seattle, so it just came down to Larsson deciding if he wanted a fresh start or not. That is a bummer for sure.


Share the frustration but this is logically inconsistent. The Oilers aren’t PAYING Keith 5.5. I think there’s a lot of truth to the rumour that the purse strings are tightened, so the real dollars vs cap dollars is quite possibly a major thing for the franchise.


Does that really make sense though? I mean, it's not like we're going to be a cap floor team. We're still approaching the cap, so we're talking about saving 2-3MM on a $80MM payroll. I can't see that making much of a difference to Katz's numbers.

I can believe that the team (and league) lost money on this past season, and I can believe that things aren't as rosy for Katz now - but I don't think saving 3% of the total cap moves the needle much.

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 10:42

I do think Larsson would be the 3rd most important right hand defenseman going forward. In theory I am not worried about losing him. If we had a competent GM I’d be okay with this because I’d be confident in their ability to find a replacement RD at a lower cost. But this is Ken Holland.

Man, does Barrie get carved everywhere you look though. Fans, analytics people, mainstream media… I’d bring him back on the right deal. Dude lead the league in D scoring, nobody seems to count that.

*almost nobody

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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 10:42

I do think Larsson would be the 3rd most important right hand defenseman going forward. In theory I am not worried about losing him. If we had a competent GM I’d be okay with this because I’d be confident in their ability to find a replacement RD at a lower cost. But this is Ken Holland.

Man, does Barrie get carved everywhere you look though. Fans, analytics people, mainstream media… I’d bring him back on the right deal. Dude lead the league in D scoring, nobody seems to count that.


There is a price point where I'd be interested in Tyson Barrie. I expect though that he's looking for a big number and a big term, and I think that could be problematic.

If he was $5MM for a couple years, I could wrap my head around that. If he's $6MMx6? Then that's a real issue.

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 Re: Larsson a Kraken [message #789723 is a reply to message #789646 ]
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Maybe we should be go for Corson Cuelmans, RHD in the draft now if Cossa is gone..

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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 Re: Larsson a Kraken [message #789725 is a reply to message #789646 ]
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Okay, so a few thoughts here:

- Larsson was great this year, and very suspect last year. To the point that back in January there were a whole lot of people (myself included) ready to let him walk. He redeemed himself in a major way this season, but it's a small sample size and a lot of people are forgetting the season before. Given his injury history, style of play, and inconsistency, term was a gamble. We may have had Larsson through his prime years, and there's certainly no guarantee he is providing value on this contract at 31 and 32. He may, but let's call it what it is: a gamble.

- Things sure soured in a hurry, and it seems like it was after the Duncan Keith trade. Leading up, it was all but a certainty of Larsson signing here, so much so that Holland kept talking about the cap space they were keeping for him. And if Rishaug is to be believed, the Oilers weren't outbid on cap or term. So what was it that caused this to go from a certainty / Larsson wanting to be here / Larsson part of the team leadership to him leaving for an expansion team?

- I do wonder if Travis Hamonic makes some sense to sign with the Oilers. We know he wants to be in western Canada.

- I also am much higher on Tyson Barrie than many, if the term is right. But it would be nice to have a more defensively sound player in the mix too. Hamilton would be fantastic and likely not realistic. I'd almost be inclined to try and get both Barrie and another shutdown guy and go 4 RHD and 2 LHD, perhaps playing Bear on his off-side.

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 Re: Larsson a Kraken [message #789728 is a reply to message #789682 ]
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Things changed for me when Klefbom’s injury meant no 21/22 season. I am closer to Adam with the value of Larsson, but the fans did not run #6 out of town. Put that to rest.

The alarming thing to me is, Holland identified Larsson as a player he wanted back. He negotiated all year and he left for an expansion team. Ugh. His back issues and one dimensional play aside, Holland and the Oilers lost someone they identified as a core member of the team.

I can’t believe you (RDOF) take more enjoyment over seeing a poster here be wrong about a player than the actual state of the organization? Baffling.

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 Re: Larsson a Kraken [message #789730 is a reply to message #789725 ]
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According to Capfriendly’s income tax calculator with a base 4 million dollar salary with no bonus Larsson would have earned a net income after tax in Edmonton of $2,106,929, in Seattle that net income would be $2,454,574. That's a difference in take home pay of $347,645. Over 4 yrs, that's a shade under 1.4 mill overall in salary.

So to make the same money, Edmonton would have had to offer him 4.6685 mill per her to pay him the same in Seattle. I wonder if that played a factor. Many Oilers fans would have absolutely lost their minds if they gave him a raise. I am still not happy they lost him.

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Doesn’t Katz keep most of the OBC on the payroll? I know Messier and Gretzky left to TV, but I don’t think Katz is struggling.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 14:28

According to Capfriendly’s income tax calculator with a base 4 million dollar salary with no bonus Larsson would have earned a net income after tax in Edmonton of $2,106,929, in Seattle that net income would be $2,454,574. That's a difference in take home pay of $347,645. Over 4 yrs, that's a shade under 1.4 mill overall in salary.

So to make the same money, Edmonton would have had to offer him 4.6685 mill per her to pay him the same in Seattle. I wonder if that played a factor. Many Oilers fans would have absolutely lost their minds if they gave him a raise. I am still not happy they lost him.



That's not accurate. You are also taxed where you "work" (i.e. where you play a game) - it's not as simple as looking at where a player signs. So likely a higher take home in Seattle, but not by that much.

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The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.

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Mike wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:34

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 14:28

According to Capfriendly’s income tax calculator with a base 4 million dollar salary with no bonus Larsson would have earned a net income after tax in Edmonton of $2,106,929, in Seattle that net income would be $2,454,574. That's a difference in take home pay of $347,645. Over 4 yrs, that's a shade under 1.4 mill overall in salary.

So to make the same money, Edmonton would have had to offer him 4.6685 mill per her to pay him the same in Seattle. I wonder if that played a factor. Many Oilers fans would have absolutely lost their minds if they gave him a raise. I am still not happy they lost him.



That's not accurate. You are also taxed where you "work" (i.e. where you play a game) - it's not as simple as looking at where a player signs. So likely a higher take home in Seattle, but not by that much.

All I did was use the calculator on that site. I am sure there are other factors. Cost of living I assume is a bit higher in Seattle.

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.

Not sure if that was the reason but thought it was interesting just to see the difference in at least taxes.

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Washington state sales tax is 6.5% and King County (Seattle) is 2.2 %. There was a brief mention on Lowetide that Larsson comes out about 500 K to 700K ahead playing in Seattle rather than Edmonton, but that sounds like voodoo accounting to me.


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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...

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AndersonRules wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:48

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...




This I agree with, but I do not put much more into state taxes argument. Players will take less monies to be happy. This just reeks.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 09:44

Larsson's dad did die suddenly in Edmonton I think it was 2 years ago on their annual dad's. I could see wanting a change of scenery for that alone. They were supposedly super tight. Bad memories.


It's possible - I know after my dad died I couldn't mentally handle Calgary snowstorms (long story), so I moved to Texas. I realized I was back to okay after (barely) surviving their generational snowstorm in February...

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:56

AndersonRules wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:48

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...




This I agree with, but I do not put much more into state taxes argument. Players will take less monies to be happy. This just reeks.

He's been pissed on by the fan base since the day he was traded, with the Hall traded being brought up again again by the fans as awful with he being the return back. Didn't matter how hard he played, he was a whipping boy for lots of fans for 5 years.

He's been bashed extra hard the previous 2 seasons because of his struggles and injuries.

If you read many fans, lots thought he should be a 3rd pairing guy years ago and should get diddly squat in a contract.

His best buddy is probably done with hockey.

His 50 yr old dad who he was super tight with, comes to see him a few years ago and dies in Edmonton. So maybe moving to new sit helps close that wound completely rather than bringing up memories.

If I had a job offer from a cool place to live like Seattle is. The money and term is the same from my current team as the new team and I get to maybe make a tiny bit more due to taxes. Even taking the money out of it for a second, I'd probably make the move. Potentially making a tiny bit more is icing on the cake.

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Plus WA isn't Texas or Florida when it comes to saving on the personal taxes. I looked into it when considering moving from Texas, the hit hasn't been that bad and WA was close to CO when I looked at cost of living.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 15:06

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:56

AndersonRules wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:48

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...




This I agree with, but I do not put much more into state taxes argument. Players will take less monies to be happy. This just reeks.

He's been pissed on by the fan base since the day he was traded, with the Hall traded being brought up again again by the fans as awful with he being the return back. Didn't matter how hard he played, he was a whipping boy for lots of fans for 5 years.

He's been bashed extra hard the previous 2 seasons because of his struggles and injuries.

If you read many fans, lots thought he should be a 3rd pairing guy years ago and should get diddly squat in a contract.

His best buddy is probably done with hockey.

His 50 yr old dad who he was super tight with, comes to see him a few years ago and dies in Edmonton. So maybe moving to new sit helps close that wound completely rather than bringing up memories.

If I had a job offer from a cool place to live like Seattle is. The money and term is the same from my current team as the new team and I get to maybe make a tiny bit more due to taxes. Even taking the money out of it for a second, I'd probably make the move. Potentially making a tiny bit more is icing on the cake.


People mention the climate as a reason people avoid playing in Edmonton. I'll take cold but sunny over grey and rainy all day long though.

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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:47

I am ok with not having Larsson the player - assume he is replaced with anyone but Barrie. What is telling to me, is that this franchise is still rotten at its core. For someone to chose not to play with two of the best tells a lot about the city and culture. Maybe more of the city as if u asked me to live in Seattle vs Edmonton I would chose Seattle anyway.

The 'burbs of Seattle, sure, but hard pass on the city proper and the folks that hang around downtown there. Gritty is the word I'm looking for, the hobos of Ermonton are rank amateurs.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:06

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:56

AndersonRules wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:48

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...




This I agree with, but I do not put much more into state taxes argument. Players will take less monies to be happy. This just reeks.

He's been pissed on by the fan base since the day he was traded, with the Hall traded being brought up again again by the fans as awful with he being the return back. Didn't matter how hard he played, he was a whipping boy for lots of fans for 5 years.

He's been bashed extra hard the previous 2 seasons because of his struggles and injuries.

If you read many fans, lots thought he should be a 3rd pairing guy years ago and should get diddly squat in a contract.

His best buddy is probably done with hockey.

His 50 yr old dad who he was super tight with, comes to see him a few years ago and dies in Edmonton. So maybe moving to new sit helps close that wound completely rather than bringing up memories.

If I had a job offer from a cool place to live like Seattle is. The money and term is the same from my current team as the new team and I get to maybe make a tiny bit more due to taxes. Even taking the money out of it for a second, I'd probably make the move. Potentially making a tiny bit more is icing on the cake.


Message boards and Twitter won't run a player out of town and even though I think I am a big deal, my comments here do not have any impact on Larsson and his career decisions.

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:06

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:56

AndersonRules wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:48

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...




This I agree with, but I do not put much more into state taxes argument. Players will take less monies to be happy. This just reeks.

He's been pissed on by the fan base since the day he was traded, with the Hall traded being brought up again again by the fans as awful with he being the return back. Didn't matter how hard he played, he was a whipping boy for lots of fans for 5 years.

He's been bashed extra hard the previous 2 seasons because of his struggles and injuries.

If you read many fans, lots thought he should be a 3rd pairing guy years ago and should get diddly squat in a contract.

His best buddy is probably done with hockey.

His 50 yr old dad who he was super tight with, comes to see him a few years ago and dies in Edmonton. So maybe moving to new sit helps close that wound completely rather than bringing up memories.

If I had a job offer from a cool place to live like Seattle is. The money and term is the same from my current team as the new team and I get to maybe make a tiny bit more due to taxes. Even taking the money out of it for a second, I'd probably make the move. Potentially making a tiny bit more is icing on the cake.


Message boards and Twitter won't run a player out of town and even though I think I am a big deal, my comments here do not have any impact on Larsson and his career decisions.


So you talked to Larsson and know for fact being told you are crap all the time in the City you live and play in, didn't weigh on him at all?

Drouin in Montreal took a leave from the team, missed all the playoffs and their ultimate cup run due to him being crapped on and made to feel miserable and impacted his mental health by the fans and media. So in my opinion, I think it's a bit naive to say that a human being just because he's an athlete isn't impacted by those factors to a degree.

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FWIW, I'd take Edmonton over Seattle in a heartbeat as a city in which to live. Seattle is an awesome place to visit/vacation/conference, but I would not want to live there. But everyone is different and would have different tastes/preferences in terms of what they are looking for as a city of residence. Seattle is just far too crowded and cramped for my living comfort - and far too much cloud and rain.

Also, FWIW, I didn't see Larsson getting "bashed" or "pissed on" during his Edmonton years. The trade that brought him here - yes. Larsson himself as a player - no. I did hear concerns expressed regarding potential term and value of a new contract; I also heard suggestions (with which I agree) that Bear is a higher-value D-man than Larsson; I also heard suggestions (with which I am ambivalent/undecided) that Bouchard will soon surpass Larsson in value and role. But apart from random snide comments here and there, I didn't sense any disrespect or dislike for/toward Larsson.

As a side analogy - I like Khaira and Kassian as players - LOVE having them on my team. I think Khaira was appropriately paid, and Kassian grossly overpaid last year. My perspective that Kassian's contract was too rich and too long does NOT mean that I dislike or disrespect Kassian. Quite the contrary.

Hope this helps ...

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I hope we trade our first round pick for a player like Adam Larrson from Seatlle to replace the Adam Larrson that we lost.

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This management group is a perennial tire fire.

Purge everyone in management from this organization and let Connor and Leon run the show.

They honestly couldn't do any worse.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:41

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:06

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:56

AndersonRules wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:48

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...




This I agree with, but I do not put much more into state taxes argument. Players will take less monies to be happy. This just reeks.

He's been pissed on by the fan base since the day he was traded, with the Hall traded being brought up again again by the fans as awful with he being the return back. Didn't matter how hard he played, he was a whipping boy for lots of fans for 5 years.

He's been bashed extra hard the previous 2 seasons because of his struggles and injuries.

If you read many fans, lots thought he should be a 3rd pairing guy years ago and should get diddly squat in a contract.

His best buddy is probably done with hockey.

His 50 yr old dad who he was super tight with, comes to see him a few years ago and dies in Edmonton. So maybe moving to new sit helps close that wound completely rather than bringing up memories.

If I had a job offer from a cool place to live like Seattle is. The money and term is the same from my current team as the new team and I get to maybe make a tiny bit more due to taxes. Even taking the money out of it for a second, I'd probably make the move. Potentially making a tiny bit more is icing on the cake.


Message boards and Twitter won't run a player out of town and even though I think I am a big deal, my comments here do not have any impact on Larsson and his career decisions.


So you talked to Larsson and know for fact being told you are crap all the time in the City you live and play in, didn't weigh on him at all?

Drouin in Montreal took a leave from the team, missed all the playoffs and their ultimate cup run due to him being crapped on and made to feel miserable and impacted his mental health by the fans and media. So in my opinion, I think it's a bit naive to say that a human being just because he's an athlete isn't impacted by those factors to a degree.


Have you spoke with Larsson? Do you know why Drouin left Montreal for personal reasons? You go to the rink too. When was the last time Larsson was booed and remember, the last time there were fans in the stands, he was struggling.

I’ve never heard boo in the rink. The players I have met over the years said they skip the comment sections. They avoid the MSM regardless of whether they are doing well or are struggling.

***just read that Drouin left because of the fans. So you have some merit, but I believe most players don’t read the comments and Larsson was trending well on a team trending up.

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HamBlaster wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 13:07

This management group is a perennial tire fire.

Purge everyone in management from this organization and let Connor and Leon run the show.

They honestly couldn't do any worse.


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I think many Oiler fans worried that the options with Larsson were an overpayment or losing him for nothing. In the end we didn't overpay him so I suppose that's something.

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:21

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:41

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 12:06

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:56

AndersonRules wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:48

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:37

The cost of living in Canada can offset a lot of that missed income. Everything here is 25% cheaper due to the dollar value alone.

I’m not buying the small gap in pay as reasoning enough to leave.


Different parts of the States are going to be different in that respect ... but some constant LOWER cost of living in the US:
(a) gas
(b) utilities
(c) groceries
Even factoring in the CDN-USD difference, those costs are still significantly lower here than there I lived 35 years in Edmonton, the last 13 in the States (Kentucky & Oklahoma), and travel back every year - I see the difference in black and white annually!

I'm just not sure cost of living is a primary issue for most NHLers ...




This I agree with, but I do not put much more into state taxes argument. Players will take less monies to be happy. This just reeks.

He's been pissed on by the fan base since the day he was traded, with the Hall traded being brought up again again by the fans as awful with he being the return back. Didn't matter how hard he played, he was a whipping boy for lots of fans for 5 years.

He's been bashed extra hard the previous 2 seasons because of his struggles and injuries.

If you read many fans, lots thought he should be a 3rd pairing guy years ago and should get diddly squat in a contract.

His best buddy is probably done with hockey.

His 50 yr old dad who he was super tight with, comes to see him a few years ago and dies in Edmonton. So maybe moving to new sit helps close that wound completely rather than bringing up memories.

If I had a job offer from a cool place to live like Seattle is. The money and term is the same from my current team as the new team and I get to maybe make a tiny bit more due to taxes. Even taking the money out of it for a second, I'd probably make the move. Potentially making a tiny bit more is icing on the cake.


Message boards and Twitter won't run a player out of town and even though I think I am a big deal, my comments here do not have any impact on Larsson and his career decisions.


So you talked to Larsson and know for fact being told you are crap all the time in the City you live and play in, didn't weigh on him at all?

Drouin in Montreal took a leave from the team, missed all the playoffs and their ultimate cup run due to him being crapped on and made to feel miserable and impacted his mental health by the fans and media. So in my opinion, I think it's a bit naive to say that a human being just because he's an athlete isn't impacted by those factors to a degree.


Have you spoke with Larsson? Do you know why Drouin left Montreal for personal reasons? You go to the rink too. When was the last time Larsson was booed and remember, the last time there were fans in the stands, he was struggling.

I’ve never heard boo in the rink. The players I have met over the years said they skip the comment sections. They avoid the MSM regardless of whether they are doing well or are struggling.

***just read that Drouin left because of the fans. So you have some merit, but I believe most players don’t read the comments and Larsson was trending well on a team trending up.


Justin Schultz definitely got booed in Edmonton the season before he got 51 points in after a trade to Pittsburgh.

I actually think contrary to what RD says, fans have been quite supportive of Larsson. Lots of Oiler fans don’t want Hall back and believe it was a necessary trade. Oilfans isn’t a good gauge of fan sentiment. Go on the Oilers subreddit or twitter or youtube comments and you’ll get lots of people being optimistic about Duncan Keith. P

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How poor were the exit interviews?

https://twitter.com/edmontonoilers/status/139729240755773849 7?s=21

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I saw an online poll on Holland and people aren't calling for his head yet, it was like 67% positive still. We few geniuses are able to see the train headed straight for us on the same track, but your average Oiler fan thinks it's just the sunrise.

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 14:31

I saw an online poll on Holland and people aren't calling for his head yet, it was like 67% positive still. We few geniuses are able to see the train headed straight for us on the same track, but your average Oiler fan thinks it's just the sunrise.


Once I gave up hope that the team would be run competently I became a much happier fan. I like when they win, am rarely upset over a loss.
I have accepted we are the Cleveland Browns of the NFL. No matter how much things are looking up, coaching changes are made, top picks fall in their laps, etc the team finds ways to spin it's wheels.

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K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 11:13

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 08:47

I am ok with not having Larsson the player - assume he is replaced with anyone but Barrie. What is telling to me, is that this franchise is still rotten at its core. For someone to chose not to play with two of the best tells a lot about the city and culture. Maybe more of the city as if u asked me to live in Seattle vs Edmonton I would chose Seattle anyway.

The 'burbs of Seattle, sure, but hard pass on the city proper and the folks that hang around downtown there. Gritty is the word I'm looking for, the hobos of Ermonton are rank amateurs.


Downtown Seattle is a S**thole, homeless camps everywhere, he's never seen this stuff in his life, but Larsson will be living far away from there, he'll be in a gated community with all the other millionaires.

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”A source with knowledge of the negotiations said the Oilers’ last four-year offer made this month was for more money than Seattle’s. They had previously offered $3.9 million per year in June but upped the ante. They were also willing to give Larsson a five-year contract; though the salary on that term is unclear, it’s believed to be for a lesser AAV” as per DNB of the Athletic.

So it was more than just money.

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:50

”A source with knowledge of the negotiations said the Oilers’ last four-year offer made this month was for more money than Seattle’s. They had previously offered $3.9 million per year in June but upped the ante. They were also willing to give Larsson a five-year contract; though the salary on that term is unclear, it’s believed to be for a lesser AAV” as per DNB of the Athletic.

So it was more than just money.

Friedman speculates if Larss was ever comfortable in Edmonton, the jokes, the ‘one for one’, his dads death...

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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:53

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:50

”A source with knowledge of the negotiations said the Oilers’ last four-year offer made this month was for more money than Seattle’s. They had previously offered $3.9 million per year in June but upped the ante. They were also willing to give Larsson a five-year contract; though the salary on that term is unclear, it’s believed to be for a lesser AAV” as per DNB of the Athletic.

So it was more than just money.

Friedman speculates if Larss was ever comfortable in Edmonton, the jokes, the ‘one for one’, his dads death...


Bet he had a good chance to stay if Klef was still playing, but even that was taken away. Guy paid his dues, deserves a fresh start.

We are in quite a pickle now. Shows you why you should probably just go for it if you have 2 of the best players in the NHL playing the best hockey of their lives.

Would have been hard regardless this season to get the required depth, but there is a lack of effort all along the way that lead us to that position. Now we're blowing a huge chunk of the cap space we waited out for on Keith and Hyman, lol. Does not inspire any confidence.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 20:29

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:53

inverno76 wrote on Wed, 21 July 2021 19:50

”A source with knowledge of the negotiations said the Oilers’ last four-year offer made this month was for more money than Seattle’s. They had previously offered $3.9 million per year in June but upped the ante. They were also willing to give Larsson a five-year contract; though the salary on that term is unclear, it’s believed to be for a lesser AAV” as per DNB of the Athletic.

So it was more than just money.

Friedman speculates if Larss was ever comfortable in Edmonton, the jokes, the ‘one for one’, his dads death...


Bet he had a good chance to stay if Klef was still playing, but even that was taken away. Guy paid his dues, deserves a fresh start.

We are in quite a pickle now. Shows you why you should probably just go for it if you have 2 of the best players in the NHL playing the best hockey of their lives.

Would have been hard regardless this season to get the required depth, but there is a lack of effort all along the way that lead us to that position. Now we're blowing a huge chunk of the cap space we waited out for on Keith and Hyman, lol. Does not inspire any confidence.


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